The latency doesn’t come near Optane, but the endurance of the SLC is pretty impressive. The P4800X is “just” twice the endurance at 60 DWPD. The P5800X has the SLC offering beat on capacity though; it’s got a 3.2 TB capacity while Micron’s SLC tops out at 1.92 TB.
Unfortunately, It's all in vain for the even enthusiast consumer.
M.2 2280 is a poorly designed interface. The size is too small to scale, and Enterprise almost never uses them, which is why most of the NVMe drives are using 2.5" U.2 or U.3 form factor which is literally Universal across all the Enterprise SSDs. Look at Optane P4800X and P5800X same. Enterprise Samsung SSD PM1733 SSD also same it has 30TB of space, yes it its unobtainium class of price but still there are many U.2 SSDs to buy but consumers are out of options, you have to use an NVMe to U.2 adapters and I doubt they can be seamless.
Plus except EVGA nobody offers U.2, tbh if I want an Extreme board from ASUS or Gigabyte or Godlike from MSI etc, they should have this U.2 connectors esp with the tons of PCIe 4.0 and 5.0 lanes now coming from modern x86 Intel and AMD processors.
If you look at SATA SSDs, I bet all of the consumers forgot them as outdated. IRL the Enterprise still uses the SATA 2.5" SSDs and guess what ? They blow the lid off the NVMe M.2 in sheer Endurance and Capacity as well.
In NVMe M.2 we also have the Controller / Firmware QC problems, look at Seagate 530 tons of failures, SN850 and X both have boot detection problems, Samsung 980 Pro and 990 Pro premature SSD wear. And these also have issues on Unraid, etc Homelab implementation. It's like they cared a bit on the controllers and threw a bunch of benchmarks and people became suckers on them. Oh also how many users do a post pseudo SLC cache write test ? They do not even know rofl, 90% of the users do not even know. They just think DirectX storage is the only thing they are buying these SSDs for not the high speed or consistency or the endurance.
I 100% concur, M.2 is a poor interface for the desktop / server environment.
I believe that the obsolete 1.8 HDD format should be brought back from the dead and re-used as a dedicated SSD format with 5 mm thick 1.8" SSD/HDD format for Consumer and 8mm thick 1.8" SSD/HDD format for Enterprise to allow for some Heat Sink fins.
U.3 / U.2 connector FTW, it's so much more durable.
The M.2 connector is only designed for 50 Mating Cycles. The SATA/SAS/U.2/U.3 connector is designed for 10,000 Mating Cycles.
There's a WORLD of difference for durability.
Let's leave M.2 as a Mobile Product ONLY solution.
Every-where else, let's all move to U.3 & 1.8" SSD/HDD format please.
I rarely, if ever use TLC, always go the extra mile to get MLC. QLC is a far cry to me, though I understand that decision to purchase these is often dictated by one's wallet, so I respect it. Solidigm went South with their lineup in my opinion. I have had Intel MLC drives for so long, none has failed yet (knock on wood lol).
I briefly tried out two Solidigm P41 Plus SSDs. They were returned - the experience was similar to SMR HDDs. The only thing predictable was that they were unpredictably slow.
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LiKenun - Sunday, May 21, 2023 - link
The latency doesn’t come near Optane, but the endurance of the SLC is pretty impressive. The P4800X is “just” twice the endurance at 60 DWPD. The P5800X has the SLC offering beat on capacity though; it’s got a 3.2 TB capacity while Micron’s SLC tops out at 1.92 TB.Silver5urfer - Sunday, May 21, 2023 - link
Unfortunately, It's all in vain for the even enthusiast consumer.M.2 2280 is a poorly designed interface. The size is too small to scale, and Enterprise almost never uses them, which is why most of the NVMe drives are using 2.5" U.2 or U.3 form factor which is literally Universal across all the Enterprise SSDs. Look at Optane P4800X and P5800X same. Enterprise Samsung SSD PM1733 SSD also same it has 30TB of space, yes it its unobtainium class of price but still there are many U.2 SSDs to buy but consumers are out of options, you have to use an NVMe to U.2 adapters and I doubt they can be seamless.
Plus except EVGA nobody offers U.2, tbh if I want an Extreme board from ASUS or Gigabyte or Godlike from MSI etc, they should have this U.2 connectors esp with the tons of PCIe 4.0 and 5.0 lanes now coming from modern x86 Intel and AMD processors.
If you look at SATA SSDs, I bet all of the consumers forgot them as outdated. IRL the Enterprise still uses the SATA 2.5" SSDs and guess what ? They blow the lid off the NVMe M.2 in sheer Endurance and Capacity as well.
In NVMe M.2 we also have the Controller / Firmware QC problems, look at Seagate 530 tons of failures, SN850 and X both have boot detection problems, Samsung 980 Pro and 990 Pro premature SSD wear. And these also have issues on Unraid, etc Homelab implementation. It's like they cared a bit on the controllers and threw a bunch of benchmarks and people became suckers on them. Oh also how many users do a post pseudo SLC cache write test ? They do not even know rofl, 90% of the users do not even know. They just think DirectX storage is the only thing they are buying these SSDs for not the high speed or consistency or the endurance.
erotomania - Wednesday, May 24, 2023 - link
90% of users buy M.2 NVMe drives for "DirectX storage"? I think that perspective is warped.Kamen Rider Blade - Monday, May 29, 2023 - link
I 100% concur, M.2 is a poor interface for the desktop / server environment.I believe that the obsolete 1.8 HDD format should be brought back from the dead and re-used as a dedicated SSD format with 5 mm thick 1.8" SSD/HDD format for Consumer and 8mm thick 1.8" SSD/HDD format for Enterprise to allow for some Heat Sink fins.
U.3 / U.2 connector FTW, it's so much more durable.
The M.2 connector is only designed for 50 Mating Cycles.
The SATA/SAS/U.2/U.3 connector is designed for 10,000 Mating Cycles.
There's a WORLD of difference for durability.
Let's leave M.2 as a Mobile Product ONLY solution.
Every-where else, let's all move to U.3 & 1.8" SSD/HDD format please.
zepi - Thursday, June 1, 2023 - link
M.2 is perfectly good form factor for server boot drives.xane - Monday, May 22, 2023 - link
I rarely, if ever use TLC, always go the extra mile to get MLC. QLC is a far cry to me, though I understand that decision to purchase these is often dictated by one's wallet, so I respect it. Solidigm went South with their lineup in my opinion. I have had Intel MLC drives for so long, none has failed yet (knock on wood lol).erotomania - Wednesday, May 24, 2023 - link
I briefly tried out two Solidigm P41 Plus SSDs. They were returned - the experience was similar to SMR HDDs. The only thing predictable was that they were unpredictably slow.