"Companies moved their production to China to save a dime, now they blame China and distract you with jingoism while they run off with all your money "
c'mon man!! everybody knows that Xi put out contracts on all American bidnezzmen who refused to move production to China. I mean, Patriotic American bidnezzmen would never just ship jobs and production to a commie dictator, right? I learned that from the Italian satellites that cheated Trump out of an election.
Leeea, as you pointed out, it blows my mind how people think it's cheaper to produce in China than anywhere else. It isn't.
In fact it has been increasingly expensive to produce most products in China for a solid decade as their middle class grew, skill and wages went up, and industrial saturation caused workplace competition.
The reason most things are still made in China that shouldn't be is because, frankly, it's hard to leave. It's very expensive to move a factory, especially equipment and labor; good luck getting those things passed the Chinese government during export.
I'd need to see some kind of comparison to prove that. Labour costs are a massive chunk of an operation but, that aside, they have cheap power and lax environmental regs. They also have a government which is wealthy enough to provide infrastructure. Atop that, if you get the nod from the right people or person, you get the nod. There's not the long, drawn out legal processes and meetings with residents, etc that can have the company owning a vast amount of land but being unable to use it. I'm not saying these are good or bad, but they are all significant cost reducers.
The statement you made is quantifiable, so I'm wondering if you have numbers as this is an argument I'd love to be able to make.
Thats why its commonly referred to as the Chinese Regime, a mafia like socialist government that forces all companies within to be >51% owned by the chinese gov. So that they control their labor.
China is not the place for cheap labor anymore as many ASEAN countries, India and Bangladesh. However, it is overall cheaper and quicker to produce in China thanks to its supply Chain.
>> And this is why companies like Apple and Samsung source components from different manufacturers ... << Samsung yes, but Apple? has all their eggs in one basket, China.
The key question for me is how their displays compared in terms of burn-in. I hope they weren't leading on that front, or it'd be a real loss for any looking to buy an OLED monitor in the near-term.
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Leeea - Tuesday, March 28, 2023 - link
They built the facility in China.Let it burn.
lemurbutton - Tuesday, March 28, 2023 - link
Everything you own is made in China. China owns you.coburn_c - Wednesday, March 29, 2023 - link
Companies moved their production to China to save a dime, now they blame China and distract you with jingoism while they run off with all your moneyFunBunny2 - Thursday, March 30, 2023 - link
"Companies moved their production to China to save a dime, now they blame China and distract you with jingoism while they run off with all your money "c'mon man!! everybody knows that Xi put out contracts on all American bidnezzmen who refused to move production to China. I mean, Patriotic American bidnezzmen would never just ship jobs and production to a commie dictator, right? I learned that from the Italian satellites that cheated Trump out of an election.
Leeea - Thursday, March 30, 2023 - link
propagandaChina's only value was that of cheap labor, and there are better more stable sources of that elsewhere in Asia.
Samus - Thursday, March 30, 2023 - link
Leeea, as you pointed out, it blows my mind how people think it's cheaper to produce in China than anywhere else. It isn't.In fact it has been increasingly expensive to produce most products in China for a solid decade as their middle class grew, skill and wages went up, and industrial saturation caused workplace competition.
The reason most things are still made in China that shouldn't be is because, frankly, it's hard to leave. It's very expensive to move a factory, especially equipment and labor; good luck getting those things passed the Chinese government during export.
philehidiot - Thursday, March 30, 2023 - link
I'd need to see some kind of comparison to prove that. Labour costs are a massive chunk of an operation but, that aside, they have cheap power and lax environmental regs. They also have a government which is wealthy enough to provide infrastructure. Atop that, if you get the nod from the right people or person, you get the nod. There's not the long, drawn out legal processes and meetings with residents, etc that can have the company owning a vast amount of land but being unable to use it. I'm not saying these are good or bad, but they are all significant cost reducers.The statement you made is quantifiable, so I'm wondering if you have numbers as this is an argument I'd love to be able to make.
Leeea - Thursday, March 30, 2023 - link
" Atop that, if you get the nod from the right people or person, you get the nod."That is not how a government works.
That is how a mafia works.
And mafia's do not make for stable systems.
meacupla - Thursday, March 30, 2023 - link
Have you seen the news lately?Do you consider our current capitalist governments and the corporations that fund their donations to be "stable"?
enorl76 - Monday, April 17, 2023 - link
Thats why its commonly referred to as the Chinese Regime, a mafia like socialist government that forces all companies within to be >51% owned by the chinese gov. So that they control their labor.FunBunny2 - Thursday, March 30, 2023 - link
"Labour costs are a massive chunk of an operation"not for capital heavy production processes like chips. just check the balance sheet.
pugster - Wednesday, April 5, 2023 - link
China is not the place for cheap labor anymore as many ASEAN countries, India and Bangladesh. However, it is overall cheaper and quicker to produce in China thanks to its supply Chain.Leeea - Tuesday, March 28, 2023 - link
( I need to read slower, miss read Chiba as China ... epic fail ... my apologies )This is a massive disaster for the industry :(.
philehidiot - Thursday, March 30, 2023 - link
But you started an argument on the internet. This is the sole purpose for its existence. You should be proud.OON9 - Thursday, March 30, 2023 - link
JOLED already transferred their inkjet printing technologies to Chinese panel manufacturers like CSOTStevoLincolnite - Tuesday, March 28, 2023 - link
...And this is why companies like Apple and Samsung source components from different manufacturers so that disruption like this is minimal.tooltalk - Friday, March 31, 2023 - link
>> And this is why companies like Apple and Samsung source components from different manufacturers ... <<Samsung yes, but Apple? has all their eggs in one basket, China.
mode_13h - Thursday, March 30, 2023 - link
The key question for me is how their displays compared in terms of burn-in. I hope they weren't leading on that front, or it'd be a real loss for any looking to buy an OLED monitor in the near-term.