I agree completely, but I'd say the situation is nowhere near as bad as say a Pentium 4 would be at that same TDP, because a scalar logic thread which would have pushed a P4 into throttling, might not even turn on the fan on this one, even at 4.7GHz.
One of my NUCs is a NUC11PHKi7CAA, a Tiger Lake i7-1165G7 + a mobile RTX 2060 for a combined TDP of 150 Watts.
Its wider, dual fan, but also as thin as a slim NUC, and even a Prime95+Furmark load is doing quite well in terms of performance and noise.
This looks like it has enough headroom for a CPU class fan and these have been able to handle 115 Watts easily, certainly at peak.
But apart from synthetic worloads it's become rather more difficult to actually load such a system to full TDP, you really need to keep all those floating point vector units loaded for maximum heat, nothing integer/logic-only will get it to sweat (say a compile farm) even with all threads loaded.
Unless they mess up with fan, fan control, thermal paste/pads, it could be pretty good.
What I find rather funny is that chips that were targeted at the really high-end gamer notebooks, 35 and 45 Watt parts, are now finding their way into this surplus recyling market.
While the dies might be relatively universal, the binning and packaging must happen soon after fabbing, so Intel can't simply put dies into 15/35/45 products on demand.
And then the lower bins of high-end SoCs is the first stuff to become unsellable at near original prices... but a potentialy very good bargain for an informed buyer.
Like that enthusiast NUC, which was a very hard sell originally. But currently these sell at below €700 after taxes and that's very good value.
Pentium 4 CPUs lacked what we might consider throttling. SpeedStep and the AMD version PowerNow! were relatively new technologies, having only landed a generation prior and the P4 didn't burst clockspeed beyond its rated maximum until hitting thermal or power limitations like CPUs of more recent times.
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Samus - Tuesday, March 28, 2023 - link
The real question is how well it can handle 115w TDP?abufrejoval - Tuesday, March 28, 2023 - link
I agree completely, but I'd say the situation is nowhere near as bad as say a Pentium 4 would be at that same TDP, because a scalar logic thread which would have pushed a P4 into throttling, might not even turn on the fan on this one, even at 4.7GHz.One of my NUCs is a NUC11PHKi7CAA, a Tiger Lake i7-1165G7 + a mobile RTX 2060 for a combined TDP of 150 Watts.
Its wider, dual fan, but also as thin as a slim NUC, and even a Prime95+Furmark load is doing quite well in terms of performance and noise.
This looks like it has enough headroom for a CPU class fan and these have been able to handle 115 Watts easily, certainly at peak.
But apart from synthetic worloads it's become rather more difficult to actually load such a system to full TDP, you really need to keep all those floating point vector units loaded for maximum heat, nothing integer/logic-only will get it to sweat (say a compile farm) even with all threads loaded.
Unless they mess up with fan, fan control, thermal paste/pads, it could be pretty good.
What I find rather funny is that chips that were targeted at the really high-end gamer notebooks, 35 and 45 Watt parts, are now finding their way into this surplus recyling market.
While the dies might be relatively universal, the binning and packaging must happen soon after fabbing, so Intel can't simply put dies into 15/35/45 products on demand.
And then the lower bins of high-end SoCs is the first stuff to become unsellable at near original prices... but a potentialy very good bargain for an informed buyer.
Like that enthusiast NUC, which was a very hard sell originally. But currently these sell at below €700 after taxes and that's very good value.
PeachNCream - Tuesday, March 28, 2023 - link
Pentium 4 CPUs lacked what we might consider throttling. SpeedStep and the AMD version PowerNow! were relatively new technologies, having only landed a generation prior and the P4 didn't burst clockspeed beyond its rated maximum until hitting thermal or power limitations like CPUs of more recent times.meacupla - Tuesday, March 28, 2023 - link
Anandtech didn't post all of the pictures for this PC, but the heatsink does look pretty beefy for a mini-PC.ABR - Monday, April 10, 2023 - link
4 x USB-A, what are people still needing all of these for? Only 3 USB-C, of which two might be used up for displays.