Does Intel support WSLg on these Elkhart Lake chips? Their graphics drivers have been broken for months, preventing Jasper Lake systems from running it. https://github.com/microsoft/wslg/issues/877
You're going to upset the people that are drooling over 1kw PSU reviews by pointing that sort of thing out to them and they'll come out of the proverbial woodwork to make claims about peak power draw, worst case scenarios, blah blah burst speeds, overclocking, and every other excuse they can make to avoid admitting they bought into the hype.
Not for an industrial product. Also, power supplies tend to be much less efficient at such low utilization. A smaller power brick should reduce both costs and power usage.
Thinking about it, I can see Ganesh's point. It probably should default to a PSU capable of supporting the max power draw, and then perhaps customers requiring less could spec a leaner model or just do it aftermarket.
Memory has always worked this way from one generation to the next. Not in a straight line. Put aside whatever wrong ideas you may have about timing and know https://sonicexe.io that these times are excellent for 65W.
Not entirely unreasonable given the internal platform. Note that the internal board has a PCIe 3.0 x8 slot, there are two SATA ports, and two M.2 ports. Taking the 8 USB ports into consideration, I can think of the following max usage:
8x USB = 40 W 2x M.2 = 20 W 2x SATA = 15 W 1x PCIe = 75 W SoC = 12 W DRAM = ~3-5 W
Already over the 150 W mark.. in fact, I think Supermicro also offers a 180 W power brick option for this system.
It was common for OEMs to not actually deliver 75W to a PCIe slot in times past. I'm not as familiar with this stuff now because desktop systems aren't as commonplace, but its always possible to push like 35W to a slot in a space constrained system like that one.
Well, top efficiency is around 75% so it's already 120W, now include all the USB powered devices that come from it, and remember that intel saying 12W means 50W turbo.... disable turbo and disconnect all extra devices, and it should run from 30W phone charger.
hello, yes this necessary for 2 reasons, for the system needs also power fur DRAM, chipset, SSD, USB, PCIe, etc allowance for the PICe is 65W also the new CPU have a TPW or 12W, but they draw much higher current during turbo mode, that's only for a short time, however the power supply must be able to supply 2x to 3x the TDP of the CPU
I can't help but be disappointed by both the idle & active power. And, in spite of that, it's a little disheartening to see it fall so far behind the N6005.
In-band ECC support will be the lone bright spot. However that's coming so late that I'm already looking towards Alder Lake-N.
A THOUSAND Dollars?! For a computer that couldn't even decode HD video? I could see a use for a system like this but every use case I can imagine couldn't justify more $300 at the absolute max. Who's intended to buy this?
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t88csywi - Friday, March 10, 2023 - link
Does Intel support WSLg on these Elkhart Lake chips? Their graphics drivers have been broken for months, preventing Jasper Lake systems from running it.https://github.com/microsoft/wslg/issues/877
The_Assimilator - Friday, March 10, 2023 - link
A 150W power brick for a 12W CPU? What???danbob999 - Friday, March 10, 2023 - link
Sounds about right. People buy 500-700W PSUs for 65W CPUs, so...PeachNCream - Friday, March 10, 2023 - link
You're going to upset the people that are drooling over 1kw PSU reviews by pointing that sort of thing out to them and they'll come out of the proverbial woodwork to make claims about peak power draw, worst case scenarios, blah blah burst speeds, overclocking, and every other excuse they can make to avoid admitting they bought into the hype.mode_13h - Saturday, March 11, 2023 - link
> Sounds about right.Not for an industrial product. Also, power supplies tend to be much less efficient at such low utilization. A smaller power brick should reduce both costs and power usage.
mode_13h - Saturday, March 11, 2023 - link
Thinking about it, I can see Ganesh's point. It probably should default to a PSU capable of supporting the max power draw, and then perhaps customers requiring less could spec a leaner model or just do it aftermarket.vidal6x6 - Monday, March 13, 2023 - link
1120w for 200w system ;)Monicalia - Monday, March 27, 2023 - link
Memory has always worked this way from one generation to the next. Not in a straight line. Put aside whatever wrong ideas you may have about timing and know https://sonicexe.io that these times are excellent for 65W.mode_13h - Tuesday, March 28, 2023 - link
Spammer.ganeshts - Friday, March 10, 2023 - link
Not entirely unreasonable given the internal platform. Note that the internal board has a PCIe 3.0 x8 slot, there are two SATA ports, and two M.2 ports. Taking the 8 USB ports into consideration, I can think of the following max usage:8x USB = 40 W
2x M.2 = 20 W
2x SATA = 15 W
1x PCIe = 75 W
SoC = 12 W
DRAM = ~3-5 W
Already over the 150 W mark.. in fact, I think Supermicro also offers a 180 W power brick option for this system.
PeachNCream - Monday, March 13, 2023 - link
It was common for OEMs to not actually deliver 75W to a PCIe slot in times past. I'm not as familiar with this stuff now because desktop systems aren't as commonplace, but its always possible to push like 35W to a slot in a space constrained system like that one.Matthias265 - Friday, March 31, 2023 - link
the largest brick Supermicro has is 180Wdeil - Thursday, March 16, 2023 - link
Well, top efficiency is around 75% so it's already 120W, now include all the USB powered devices that come from it, and remember that intel saying 12W means 50W turbo....disable turbo and disconnect all extra devices, and it should run from 30W phone charger.
Matthias265 - Friday, March 31, 2023 - link
hello, yes this necessary for 2 reasons,for the system needs also power fur DRAM, chipset, SSD, USB, PCIe, etc
allowance for the PICe is 65W
also the new CPU have a TPW or 12W, but they draw much higher current during turbo mode,
that's only for a short time, however the power supply must be able to supply 2x to 3x the TDP of the CPU
mode_13h - Saturday, March 11, 2023 - link
I can't help but be disappointed by both the idle & active power. And, in spite of that, it's a little disheartening to see it fall so far behind the N6005.In-band ECC support will be the lone bright spot. However that's coming so late that I'm already looking towards Alder Lake-N.
Hrel - Tuesday, April 11, 2023 - link
A THOUSAND Dollars?! For a computer that couldn't even decode HD video? I could see a use for a system like this but every use case I can imagine couldn't justify more $300 at the absolute max. Who's intended to buy this?