It doesn't matter how many SKU's. OEM's will focus on a few for the mainstream, much like they have for decades going back to the 486. I suspect the 1340P will be the most popular mobile chip, much like the 1240P was. The U series really makes no sense at this point to OEM's when considering cost and implementation: the P series is cheaper and can be tuned to run as cool as a U series by capping its turbo.
I think with the way Intel has redefined TDP, we may have to make the comparison in this way: (Nothing) vs (2c Y) (1+4) iP-8505 vs i3-1115G4 (2c/4t) (2+8) i7-1265U vs i7-1195G7 (4c/8t) (4+8) i7-1270p vs i7-11600h (6c/12t) (6+8) i7-1280p vs i9-11950h (8c/16t) (8+16) vs (Nothing)
(2c/4t) i3-1115G4 vs i3-10110U vs i3-9145U vs i3-8140U vs i7-7660U vs i7-6660U (4c/8t) i7-1195G7 vs i7-10610U vs i7-9565U vs i7-8557U vs i7-7920hq vs i7-6920hq
Since laptop performance (regardless of whether your CPU is blue-flavoured or red-flavoured) is gated more by thermal envelope than the actual chip - hence why two laptops with identical CPUs can have wildly different performance - specsheet-fondling has not been a useful way to evaluate laptop performance for years. Whether your SKU range is 5 chips or 50, being able to rattle off the specs for a given SKU is pure nerd-cred rather than of any practical utility.
I agree over segmented closing every grade and price point. Samus is also observant, OEMs will focus on volume grade SKUs traditionally demanded on cost : price / margin potential to the OEM and halo SKUs for brand 'performance' recognition which there are several forms for end user mobile utility value.
Remaining grade SKUs OEMs have no interest, generally undesirable, specific OEMs may take specific SKUs exclusively, if in sufficient volume, and discount priced from Intel for OEM margin potential.
The slack SKUs absolutely no OEM would ever buy, well, Intel will throw them into any one OEM sales bundle as close incentive, then, the OEM can decide if they're good enough to wrap the cost of a PC around for sale, or broker them to second tier laptop design producers for their potential sale.
I've lost touch with recent intel's notebook chips, but it looks like there is none with ECC RAM support anymore? Does it mean something like Xeon W-11955M is still without real successor? Or does it even mean that Intel completely killed ECC RAM in workstation notebooks?
They killed off the common socket Xeons as of ADL so everything 12500+ supported ECC, but it seems no such thing occurred for mobile. I'm guessing barring some special OEM deal that ECC is indeed dead on notebooks (it may also be related to no availability of ECC DDR5).
Intel is essentially offering 3 versions of the chip. A regular chip, a version of the chip with unlocked multipliers, and a version of the chip in their smaller Type 4 packaging.
Does anybody care about the differentiation? Wouldn't 5 types suffice? Maybe with different max power? At least there are no alder lakes hidden in that 13xx range, like AMD tends to do.
They're using a similar tactic as ddos attack, trying to overload consumers' mind with (mostly garbage) informations so they can be easier to manipulate. Same tactic MSM in western countries have been using to turn people into zombies and it works.
Toms Hardware? Same company owns THG that owns Anandtech and a large number of former AT writers now work there doing things like GPU reviews. AT is still a nice place to visit but if you are the brand loyalist sort you can still support Future or whatever the company is by reading there as well as here.
I would prefer a CPU that has a peak power consumption of 15W which even the U series lacks these days. Fanless notebooks are so amazing but I doubt anything Intel offers in outside of the N-series will work well without active (noisy) cooling.
Overall this seems like pretty underwhelming refresh, with exception of 1370P which has two additional P-cores vs 12th gen.
Seems like it gives an opening to AMD to gain some footing with their Phoenix Zen4 mobile CPU. But sadly I doubt AMD is able to produce enough of those in meaningful numbers. So sadly the next major Intel bump won't be until Meteor Lake mobile next year
All of the mayor TSMC customers has bargained with TSMC about decreasing ordered wafers, so there is room for more production opening up, but they are afraid of producing to much and building up stock. There is no question that they should be able to produce enough of what they think they can sell.
I haven't seen much satisfactory testing on a question I have. Those parts with two performance cores, they may show good single core performance as well as good multicore performance in synthetic benchmarks, but are there areas where they suffer from not having four strong cores? I.e games notoriously had a time of it scaling past 4T at least a while back.
Analogous would be Qualcomm playing catch up to Apple with boosted "Prime" cores, but that's one higher juiced cores to an A*'s two regular big cores with no tricks, it shows up on single core tests, it shows up on multicore tests, but is there any time where the two big cores outmuscle it because of threading limits.
I don't why people get so uptight over how many SKUs there are. Isn't it better to have more CPUs to choose from based on build and use case scenario? Also, I have had a better time with Intel CPUs in laptops than Ryzen or AMD. With AMD there is always too many quirks. My sons laptop by spec is not bad but the Ryzen chip bottlenecks the 1660ti. Lol. I have to run a 1080p laptop in 1440p mode to get more fps. And I can not hook my VR up to it because it only wants to see the onboard Radeon graphics. And yes I have tried everything. But still SteamVR only wants to see that dumb onboard chip because it runs the display.
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meacupla - Tuesday, January 3, 2023 - link
Intel being Intel, and having way too many SKUs.And why is there 5 digits on the HX and H, where as the P and U only have 4 digits?
dontlistentome - Tuesday, January 3, 2023 - link
.. because the HX and H use as much power as the desktop parts ... might as well call them the same.meacupla - Tuesday, January 3, 2023 - link
Do they really though? Desktop 13th gen i9 pulls 125W base with >250W boostdontlistentome - Wednesday, January 4, 2023 - link
Was being (a little) sarcastic. Those H chips can pull a scary amount of power - PL1 is 125w iirc.Yojimbo - Tuesday, January 3, 2023 - link
Too many SKUs for whom, exactly?meacupla - Tuesday, January 3, 2023 - link
for the consumer who does not have intricate knowledge of how the CPU performs?Samus - Tuesday, January 3, 2023 - link
It doesn't matter how many SKU's. OEM's will focus on a few for the mainstream, much like they have for decades going back to the 486. I suspect the 1340P will be the most popular mobile chip, much like the 1240P was. The U series really makes no sense at this point to OEM's when considering cost and implementation: the P series is cheaper and can be tuned to run as cool as a U series by capping its turbo.hemedans - Tuesday, January 3, 2023 - link
There are Celeron and Pentium replacement in those U, with 1 big core and 4 small cores.Samus - Tuesday, January 3, 2023 - link
I suspect the recently launched N series is going to make the 1P\4E Pentium and Celeron's irrelevant unless, again, price is a significant factor.Kangal - Friday, January 6, 2023 - link
I'd want to a see a direct comparison of the 13th-gen Mobile Raptor Lake versus 12th gen Mobile Alder Lake.(1+4) Intel U300 vs Pentium 8505
(2+8) i7-1365U vs i7-1265U
(4+8) i7-1350p vs i7-1270p
(6+8) i7-1370p vs i7-1280p
Kangal - Friday, January 6, 2023 - link
I think with the way Intel has redefined TDP, we may have to make the comparison in this way:(Nothing) vs (2c Y)
(1+4) iP-8505 vs i3-1115G4 (2c/4t)
(2+8) i7-1265U vs i7-1195G7 (4c/8t)
(4+8) i7-1270p vs i7-11600h (6c/12t)
(6+8) i7-1280p vs i9-11950h (8c/16t)
(8+16) vs (Nothing)
Kangal - Friday, January 6, 2023 - link
Also if we want context, we should look at the the historical progress:11-Tiger vs 10-Comet vs Amber-Whiskey vs 8-Coffee vs 7-Kaby vs 6-Skylake
(2c Y) i3-1110G4 vs 10-none vs i7-9500Y vs 8-none vs i7-7Y75 vs i7-6Y75
Kangal - Friday, January 6, 2023 - link
(2c/4t) i3-1115G4 vs i3-10110U vs i3-9145U vs i3-8140U vs i7-7660U vs i7-6660U(4c/8t) i7-1195G7 vs i7-10610U vs i7-9565U vs i7-8557U vs i7-7920hq vs i7-6920hq
Kangal - Friday, January 6, 2023 - link
(6c/12t) i7-11600h vs i7-10810U vs 9-none vs i7-8850H vs 7-none vs 6-none(8c/16t) i9-11950h vs i9-10885h vs 9-none vs i9-8880H vs 7-none vs 6-none
IntelUser2000 - Tuesday, January 3, 2023 - link
That's not true. U series has lower leakage power, so you get better battery life. P and H series are binned for higher frequencies.U chips are also available in smaller chip packaging too.
edzieba - Tuesday, January 3, 2023 - link
Since laptop performance (regardless of whether your CPU is blue-flavoured or red-flavoured) is gated more by thermal envelope than the actual chip - hence why two laptops with identical CPUs can have wildly different performance - specsheet-fondling has not been a useful way to evaluate laptop performance for years. Whether your SKU range is 5 chips or 50, being able to rattle off the specs for a given SKU is pure nerd-cred rather than of any practical utility.IntelUser2000 - Tuesday, January 3, 2023 - link
HX is just a desktop platform. That's why it lacks features like Thunderbolt since it's the mobile chips that integrate it. The PCH is also desktop.H is a mobile oriented platform so it has lower power in general.
Bruzzone - Thursday, January 5, 2023 - link
I agree over segmented closing every grade and price point. Samus is also observant, OEMs will focus on volume grade SKUs traditionally demanded on cost : price / margin potential to the OEM and halo SKUs for brand 'performance' recognition which there are several forms for end user mobile utility value.Remaining grade SKUs OEMs have no interest, generally undesirable, specific OEMs may take specific SKUs exclusively, if in sufficient volume, and discount priced from Intel for OEM margin potential.
The slack SKUs absolutely no OEM would ever buy, well, Intel will throw them into any one OEM sales bundle as close incentive, then, the OEM can decide if they're good enough to wrap the cost of a PC around for sale, or broker them to second tier laptop design producers for their potential sale.
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trivik12 - Tuesday, January 3, 2023 - link
Does the mobile chips have built in DLVR or not?kgardas - Tuesday, January 3, 2023 - link
I've lost touch with recent intel's notebook chips, but it looks like there is none with ECC RAM support anymore? Does it mean something like Xeon W-11955M is still without real successor? Or does it even mean that Intel completely killed ECC RAM in workstation notebooks?linuxgeex - Tuesday, January 3, 2023 - link
DDR5 comes with most of the benefits of DDR4's ECC, so it's no longer as big a talking/selling point.nandnandnand - Wednesday, January 4, 2023 - link
False. It uses internal ECC to keep errors down so that it even works at all. Real ECC is optional.thestryker - Tuesday, January 3, 2023 - link
They killed off the common socket Xeons as of ADL so everything 12500+ supported ECC, but it seems no such thing occurred for mobile. I'm guessing barring some special OEM deal that ECC is indeed dead on notebooks (it may also be related to no availability of ECC DDR5).1_rick - Tuesday, January 3, 2023 - link
The i9 H-series table suffers from copy-paste-itis, and all three chips are listed as having the same specs.1_rick - Tuesday, January 3, 2023 - link
...apparently that's because Intel's slide says the same thing, which is obviously wrong.Ryan Smith - Tuesday, January 3, 2023 - link
It's actually correct (as far as we know).Intel is essentially offering 3 versions of the chip. A regular chip, a version of the chip with unlocked multipliers, and a version of the chip in their smaller Type 4 packaging.
1_rick - Tuesday, January 3, 2023 - link
Huh. That's weird.Foeketijn - Wednesday, January 4, 2023 - link
Does anybody care about the differentiation?Wouldn't 5 types suffice? Maybe with different max power?
At least there are no alder lakes hidden in that 13xx range, like AMD tends to do.
sonny73n - Wednesday, January 4, 2023 - link
They're using a similar tactic as ddos attack, trying to overload consumers' mind with (mostly garbage) informations so they can be easier to manipulate. Same tactic MSM in western countries have been using to turn people into zombies and it works.Khanan - Wednesday, January 4, 2023 - link
Reviews for gpus cpus coming back here anytime? It’s a huge missed chance and letdown that Anandtech stopped functioning properly.PeachNCream - Thursday, January 5, 2023 - link
Toms Hardware? Same company owns THG that owns Anandtech and a large number of former AT writers now work there doing things like GPU reviews. AT is still a nice place to visit but if you are the brand loyalist sort you can still support Future or whatever the company is by reading there as well as here.Ryan Smith - Thursday, January 5, 2023 - link
Huh? CPU reviews have never left.As for GPU reviews, we'll see. What I want to do and what I have time do are often not the same things.
PeachNCream - Wednesday, January 4, 2023 - link
I would prefer a CPU that has a peak power consumption of 15W which even the U series lacks these days. Fanless notebooks are so amazing but I doubt anything Intel offers in outside of the N-series will work well without active (noisy) cooling.Farfolomew - Thursday, January 5, 2023 - link
Overall this seems like pretty underwhelming refresh, with exception of 1370P which has two additional P-cores vs 12th gen.Seems like it gives an opening to AMD to gain some footing with their Phoenix Zen4 mobile CPU. But sadly I doubt AMD is able to produce enough of those in meaningful numbers. So sadly the next major Intel bump won't be until Meteor Lake mobile next year
Zoolook - Saturday, January 7, 2023 - link
All of the mayor TSMC customers has bargained with TSMC about decreasing ordered wafers, so there is room for more production opening up, but they are afraid of producing to much and building up stock. There is no question that they should be able to produce enough of what they think they can sell.Zoolook - Saturday, January 7, 2023 - link
mayor = major of course, an editing function would be nice ...tipoo - Thursday, January 5, 2023 - link
I haven't seen much satisfactory testing on a question I have. Those parts with two performance cores, they may show good single core performance as well as good multicore performance in synthetic benchmarks, but are there areas where they suffer from not having four strong cores? I.e games notoriously had a time of it scaling past 4T at least a while back.Analogous would be Qualcomm playing catch up to Apple with boosted "Prime" cores, but that's one higher juiced cores to an A*'s two regular big cores with no tricks, it shows up on single core tests, it shows up on multicore tests, but is there any time where the two big cores outmuscle it because of threading limits.
ManDaddio - Tuesday, January 10, 2023 - link
I don't why people get so uptight over how many SKUs there are. Isn't it better to have more CPUs to choose from based on build and use case scenario?Also, I have had a better time with Intel CPUs in laptops than Ryzen or AMD. With AMD there is always too many quirks.
My sons laptop by spec is not bad but the Ryzen chip bottlenecks the 1660ti. Lol. I have to run a 1080p laptop in 1440p mode to get more fps.
And I can not hook my VR up to it because it only wants to see the onboard Radeon graphics. And yes I have tried everything. But still SteamVR only wants to see that dumb onboard chip because it runs the display.