Another reminder of why it's good to stick with mid-range gaming and computing. My 1660Ti draws 120W and my Ryzen 3600 draws 65W. No need for a $350 PSU.
'New Era' and '1300W' should never go together in the same sentence, folks shouldn't even need these ludicrously overpowered PSU's if the hardware manufacturers gave a damn about the environment.
They can't talk about that. An entire industry revolves around producing overpriced PC hardware and then using journalism as a supporting strut to add hype and build up demand. It's a necessity to sustain the paychecks of a LOT of people at OEMs, retail chains, reviewer websites, and so forth so you will always get unified messaging hocking the benefits rather than encouraging you to be more sensible. It happens in lots of other industries as well and is a HUGE contributor to why we're burning wrecking our own little proverbial cage through horrific wastefulness without having the ability to leave it for other potentially livable places.
Well, as long as money is man's "unit of energy" on Earth, everything else will be subordinated to filling the coffers. I reckon even worrying about the planet ("we use green, vegan manufacturing processes throughout our business because we care") is of a token nature and only important when it can add more dollars to the corporation's bank balance or social prestige. If ever a time comes when damaging the environment is held to be popular, they'll do that too.
Did you try bending the 12VHPWR cable by the end that plugs into the graphics card? I guess many PC builders would like to do that to get a tidier cable routing.
What I read is that 12VHPWR cables are not meant to be bent by the plug. Or is this just the case with NVIDIA supplied pcie-12VHPWR cable adapters?
The various theories of bent plugs or solder joints or etc all turned out to be incorrect: only plugs that were not fully inserted into the socket were able to actually reproduce the overheating issue (even plugs butchered to disconnect half the pins but inserted fully did not fail at all). Plug it all the way in and there is no issue.
So why didn't nVidia ship idiot-proof plugs, then? You know, plugs that latch into place with a satisfying "click" when properly inserted? Lots of differing connectors are made that way.
The plug thing is really overblown IMO, it could have happened to anyone. The important thing is 1. Did they fix it, and 2. Did they replace people's burnt computers? The plug should fit better. Larger and longer pins means more contact area... Need better fitment and tolerances to slide in and click properly each time. Also, the sensing pins are probably unnecessary. Just have an optional 450w bios.
Yeah, I have not seen a 12VHPWR cable personally yet, but from what I have read, it just doesn't seem to "snap" in quite as tight as the current 8-pin PCI-E connectors. Which means even if you know what you are doing as a PC builder, you might not get it fully inserted. I also have to wonder, with the only two GPUs shipping that use being MASSIVE 3-slot and higher than normal height, that maybe NVIDIA should have provided a right-angle connector out of the box. Since because of where the 12VHPR connector is placed, you really have to bend it as it is hitting the side panel immediately. A right-angle connector would alleviate that stress, and might have been able to be inserted fully a lot easier.
Just installed my 4090 and I can tell you that you're right. That thing just doesn't snap nor holds itself like the PCIE connectors. I had no idea if it was fully connected or not. and I was worried I would start to bend the connector from the PCB of the card as the connector is very hard to insert.
I don't have one; but from coverage I've seen elsewhere, while the cable doesn't have a satisfying mechanical snap and audible click when inserted a strait pull and wiggle test will quickly dislodge an incompletely inserted cable without disturbing one that is in all the way. It's also recommended to plug power into the card before inserting it into the case so you've got more room to manipulate the wire and to inspect it's insertion.
Cables shouldn't be a thing anymore anyway. Apple's Mac Pro and the stadia devkit don't even use cables at all. Instead of "hiding" them, just eliminate them completely. But yeah, for 600W GPUs, you probably want a right-angle connector.
Yeah, if you plugged this power supply's 12VHPWR cable in halfway as well I'm sure it would melt just as easily. The root issue is it's not easy to tell if it's latched and the sense signals that detect proper connection can do so without the connector actually latching.
I have the 850 Watt version of this PSU, and I had to gently create a curve in the 12VHPWR cable to get it in the RTX 4080 using a Corsair 4000D Airflow. I took my time over 5 minutes creating a soft curve and leaving at least 2 inches out of the card with out bending. The Cable was very stiff. There was a satisfying click sound once placed in the 4080 and you could easily see that it was flush with the female adapter of the card.
Getting high power and high efficiency and ideally low noise in a small package like SFX is both hard and expensive, and depending on the combination even impossible. For now SFX isn't really great as you get closer to the the power levels in this review. And the price certainly isn't.
SFX-L is better than standard SFX in the sense that it can fit a 120mm fan, which should make a difference. Regardless, the main limitation will always be there, making a smaller or larger difference: The SFX package is smaller. Everything else being identical (components, quality, etc.) there will always be the same heat concentrated in a smaller package (so hotter, less reliable, or noisier). To mitigate this SFX PSUs always have to be better. Better costs which makes the industry position SFX as niche and premium. People are allergic to spending too much so this is why SFX takes time to replace ATX.
Add on top that companies like Nvidia are pushing power consumption for performance rather than efficiency and I'm not surprised ATX still rules.
I don't know about SFX but EVGA released some exceptionally good PSUs like th G7 at small spectrum of ATX PSU. Personally I have the P6 and working with it inside a case like O11 is a treat.
Poorly designed for future proofing, it's ATX 3.0 ready, that's great. But it only has a single 12VHPWR, next gen Nvidia's will probably need 2 of those suckers I bet. And then this PSU will already be pointless.
I don't think we will have consumer graphics cards use two 12VHPRW connectors anytime soon because that would imply over 600w draw just for the graphics card. Since these kinds of cards would likely be used in monstrously powerful systems, paired with a 200-250w TDP CPU, add platform overhead and an SSD, that's 1000w at load. With the way climate change is a buzz word and rising energy costs, it's about time these companies focus on efficiency.
The problem is, much like the automotive industry and so many others, the efficiency gains made by technological, engineering and manufacturing innovations is wasted by constantly delivering more power to the consumer. This is why we have 300+HP 3-cylinder engines in grocery getter Corollas that get 25MPG instead of 150HP 3-cylinder engines that get 50MPG.
The GALAX RTX 4090 HOF would like to have a word with you about that. While I think it's stupid and would never run such a thing myself it does already exist.
I'm assuming MSI erred on the side of maximum compatibility without adapter cables which is why it only has one 12VHPWR connector. I can understand why they did it, but it is not outside the realm of possibility that power consumption is going to keep going up at the top end where this PSU also certainly sits.
Seems like all the mobo makers wanna get in on the PS game. I just had a chance to work with an Asus Thor and it is bloody amazing with its OLED screen and pretty decent price. I used to be an EVGA Superflower lifer, but I think i will be switching to Asus with that screen and really nice cables. Now i gotta upgrade to a goddamn case that actually shows the power supply since it was banished from view 5 years ago.
Your not the only one. I already have a 4" duct exhaust some air from my case out my office window in the Summer. And it's only a 500w load draw PC according to my UPS LCD. That's 500W of heat I'm removing from my office when the goal is to cool my house in the Summer, not heat it.
It's all fine in the Winter but 1300w or even 1000w is a radical amount of heat to remove from a small space. And you will want to remove it, otherwise your air conditioning system requires AT LEAST 1000w just to offset it!
So that's 2000w+ to keep a room the same temperature to play a game.
That's a lot of bullshit to go through just to amuse yourself though. There are less power intensive and expensive ways to get the same amount of entertainment.
So don't buy it. IMO these manufacturers are leaving a lot of performance on the table, there's just too much overheard built into both the hardware and software. Maybe if these things were redesigned from the ground up (like Apple's M1, but better) we'd see much better performance gains.
My question is this: after every card out there can do 4k 120fps, what exactly is left? 8k doesn't even seem worth it at all, and neither does raytracing really. VR still sucks a decade later. Personally I'm a big supporter of ultrawide/surround gaming. But I can't really think of anything else.
It occurred to me that you might want to link to your discussion of the ATX 3.0 power excursion testing challenges somewhere on the "Conclusion" page, perhaps the third paragraph there.
It's new, and for those readers who skim the first page then jump to the last, it's worth their time to read it. (It's worth their time to read every word, but habits need a push to change in this case.)
Very disappointed in the fan myself. They should have made the case longer to put in a 140mm. Really odd design choice to restrict themselves on a flagship product with a short length PSU chassis.
I tried reading this Chinese one, which does mention a 135mm fan in one dimension, but the wording is impenetrable. It expires in 2024, so perhaps if it is relevant it will permit expansion later. https://patents.google.com/patent/CN100498151C/en
An impressive piece of engineering, and high quality construction.
I think the fan noise is a non-issue. It only starts running at ~400W (!) load by which time all case and graphics card cooling will be working hard. It's 40 dBA at 800W (!!) when everything else will be howling. With this buried in a case you probably will never even notice its noise contribution.
As for the price - the point is made that this should last for quite a few years and PCs. So, not bad, and you are getting what you pay for. In the hugely unlikely event that I ever build a digital space heater, this looks like a great choice.
The hot box had intake air at 45C. That tests the design limits but isn't applicable to a desktop, where very few people will even be at 29C ambient. The "cold" test at 25C is far more relevant. And that's the basis for my opinion that fan noise will be a non-issue.
Perhaps. 2023 is meant to be warmer, and it is likely to continue to warm over the lifetime of the unit. Of course if you have A/C, maybe that is not an issue, but it is relatively uncommon in Europe.
Yeah so I rather dislike the marketing style of this article which holds back on listing the price until the last page. Please stick that at the start of the article so I can decide in the first paragraph if I'm going to read it because its affordable and worth considering or if I'm going to just read for fun. (I'll still read either way as will most of us, but for the cost, this is a hard no since its basically the cost of an complete, capable laptop and all you're getting is AC to DC power conversion, not even processing capability.)
That's fair criticism. We're certainly not trying to hide the price; it just didn't come up in the natural flow of trying to write an interesting introduction.
ATX should really refresh, I don't get why GAN isn't more common in such power supplies and go for a smaller form factor. Do people really still get full sized ATX and use all the available bays?
we need to support anandtech, when innerfidelity went away, there is only commercials reviews. we need anandtech.com, we need some kind of honest authority, otherwise it's just chaos, and shit!!!
Well, 12VHPWR is an amendment to the PCIe 5.0 specification by the PCI Special Interest Group: http://jongerow.com/12VHPWR/
Presumably graphics cards supporting PCIe 5.0 will also have greater adoption of the new socket, so this indicates readiness for them. However, we don't see any of those on the market yet. It also seems to have been added to ATX 3.0, so if you want to be certified as such you (might? at a certain power?) have to include one.
The 12VHPWR adapters aren't poorly designed. The users were not fully seating the connectors as concluded by GamersNexus and further confirmed by Nvidia themselves. A SIMPLE leaflet instructing the users to verify that there's no gap between the connector and the plug was all that was required. It was an oversight
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sorten - Thursday, December 8, 2022 - link
Another reminder of why it's good to stick with mid-range gaming and computing. My 1660Ti draws 120W and my Ryzen 3600 draws 65W. No need for a $350 PSU.TheinsanegamerN - Thursday, December 8, 2022 - link
How odd, my 5800x3d and 6800xt dont push over 450 watt combined, I dont need a $350 PSU either.Eliadbu - Friday, December 9, 2022 - link
Even if you had i9-13900k and rtx 4090 you would not need 350$ PSU. At that point it's more a gimmick.a good 150-180$ PSU will do the trick.
powerarmour - Friday, December 9, 2022 - link
'New Era' and '1300W' should never go together in the same sentence, folks shouldn't even need these ludicrously overpowered PSU's if the hardware manufacturers gave a damn about the environment.PeachNCream - Friday, December 9, 2022 - link
They can't talk about that. An entire industry revolves around producing overpriced PC hardware and then using journalism as a supporting strut to add hype and build up demand. It's a necessity to sustain the paychecks of a LOT of people at OEMs, retail chains, reviewer websites, and so forth so you will always get unified messaging hocking the benefits rather than encouraging you to be more sensible. It happens in lots of other industries as well and is a HUGE contributor to why we're burning wrecking our own little proverbial cage through horrific wastefulness without having the ability to leave it for other potentially livable places.GeoffreyA - Saturday, December 10, 2022 - link
Well, as long as money is man's "unit of energy" on Earth, everything else will be subordinated to filling the coffers. I reckon even worrying about the planet ("we use green, vegan manufacturing processes throughout our business because we care") is of a token nature and only important when it can add more dollars to the corporation's bank balance or social prestige. If ever a time comes when damaging the environment is held to be popular, they'll do that too.Dorkaman - Thursday, December 8, 2022 - link
Did you try bending the 12VHPWR cable by the end that plugs into the graphics card? I guess many PC builders would like to do that to get a tidier cable routing.What I read is that 12VHPWR cables are not meant to be bent by the plug. Or is this just the case with NVIDIA supplied pcie-12VHPWR cable adapters?
edzieba - Thursday, December 8, 2022 - link
The various theories of bent plugs or solder joints or etc all turned out to be incorrect: only plugs that were not fully inserted into the socket were able to actually reproduce the overheating issue (even plugs butchered to disconnect half the pins but inserted fully did not fail at all). Plug it all the way in and there is no issue.crimsonson - Thursday, December 8, 2022 - link
And try not to put pressure on the cable after installation - mainly for the chassis side cover bending the cable.WaltC - Thursday, December 8, 2022 - link
So why didn't nVidia ship idiot-proof plugs, then? You know, plugs that latch into place with a satisfying "click" when properly inserted? Lots of differing connectors are made that way.flyingpants265 - Wednesday, December 14, 2022 - link
The plug thing is really overblown IMO, it could have happened to anyone. The important thing is1. Did they fix it, and
2. Did they replace people's burnt computers?
The plug should fit better. Larger and longer pins means more contact area... Need better fitment and tolerances to slide in and click properly each time. Also, the sensing pins are probably unnecessary. Just have an optional 450w bios.
TheinsanegamerN - Thursday, December 8, 2022 - link
if you cant tell when its actually plugged in all the way, thats a pretty major issue.None of this is a poroblem with the 8 pin, you notice.....
NextGen_Gamer - Thursday, December 8, 2022 - link
Yeah, I have not seen a 12VHPWR cable personally yet, but from what I have read, it just doesn't seem to "snap" in quite as tight as the current 8-pin PCI-E connectors. Which means even if you know what you are doing as a PC builder, you might not get it fully inserted. I also have to wonder, with the only two GPUs shipping that use being MASSIVE 3-slot and higher than normal height, that maybe NVIDIA should have provided a right-angle connector out of the box. Since because of where the 12VHPR connector is placed, you really have to bend it as it is hitting the side panel immediately. A right-angle connector would alleviate that stress, and might have been able to be inserted fully a lot easier.tamalero - Thursday, December 8, 2022 - link
Just installed my 4090 and I can tell you that you're right. That thing just doesn't snap nor holds itself like the PCIE connectors.I had no idea if it was fully connected or not. and I was worried I would start to bend the connector from the PCB of the card as the connector is very hard to insert.
DanNeely - Friday, December 9, 2022 - link
I don't have one; but from coverage I've seen elsewhere, while the cable doesn't have a satisfying mechanical snap and audible click when inserted a strait pull and wiggle test will quickly dislodge an incompletely inserted cable without disturbing one that is in all the way. It's also recommended to plug power into the card before inserting it into the case so you've got more room to manipulate the wire and to inspect it's insertion.flyingpants265 - Wednesday, December 14, 2022 - link
Cables shouldn't be a thing anymore anyway. Apple's Mac Pro and the stadia devkit don't even use cables at all. Instead of "hiding" them, just eliminate them completely.But yeah, for 600W GPUs, you probably want a right-angle connector.
evilspoons - Thursday, December 8, 2022 - link
Yeah, if you plugged this power supply's 12VHPWR cable in halfway as well I'm sure it would melt just as easily. The root issue is it's not easy to tell if it's latched and the sense signals that detect proper connection can do so without the connector actually latching.Techten - Tuesday, December 13, 2022 - link
I have the 850 Watt version of this PSU, and I had to gently create a curve in the 12VHPWR cable to get it in the RTX 4080 using a Corsair 4000D Airflow. I took my time over 5 minutes creating a soft curve and leaving at least 2 inches out of the card with out bending. The Cable was very stiff. There was a satisfying click sound once placed in the 4080 and you could easily see that it was flush with the female adapter of the card.scottj - Thursday, December 8, 2022 - link
Not sure about the Gaming Intelligence thing, but they could at least use a modern USB connector.shabby - Saturday, December 10, 2022 - link
At least its not a usb-b port 😂Dug - Thursday, December 8, 2022 - link
I wish they would have changed the form factor. So tired of these unnecessarily large bulky designs.TheinsanegamerN - Thursday, December 8, 2022 - link
Tell me about it, why is the industry so allergic to SFX?at_clucks - Thursday, December 8, 2022 - link
Getting high power and high efficiency and ideally low noise in a small package like SFX is both hard and expensive, and depending on the combination even impossible. For now SFX isn't really great as you get closer to the the power levels in this review. And the price certainly isn't.meacupla - Thursday, December 8, 2022 - link
Asus offers 1200W in SFX-L form factor.At 1200W, I think it would handle transient spikes from a 3090Ti no problem.
Now how much does this Asus 1200W SFX-L PSU cost? No clue.
at_clucks - Tuesday, December 20, 2022 - link
SFX-L is better than standard SFX in the sense that it can fit a 120mm fan, which should make a difference. Regardless, the main limitation will always be there, making a smaller or larger difference: The SFX package is smaller. Everything else being identical (components, quality, etc.) there will always be the same heat concentrated in a smaller package (so hotter, less reliable, or noisier). To mitigate this SFX PSUs always have to be better. Better costs which makes the industry position SFX as niche and premium. People are allergic to spending too much so this is why SFX takes time to replace ATX.Add on top that companies like Nvidia are pushing power consumption for performance rather than efficiency and I'm not surprised ATX still rules.
Oxford Guy - Thursday, December 8, 2022 - link
Because 50 dB isn’t “audible” enough.Eliadbu - Friday, December 9, 2022 - link
I don't know about SFX but EVGA released some exceptionally good PSUs like th G7 at small spectrum of ATX PSU. Personally I have the P6 and working with it inside a case like O11 is a treat.QueBert - Thursday, December 8, 2022 - link
Poorly designed for future proofing, it's ATX 3.0 ready, that's great. But it only has a single 12VHPWR, next gen Nvidia's will probably need 2 of those suckers I bet. And then this PSU will already be pointless.Samus - Friday, December 9, 2022 - link
I don't think we will have consumer graphics cards use two 12VHPRW connectors anytime soon because that would imply over 600w draw just for the graphics card. Since these kinds of cards would likely be used in monstrously powerful systems, paired with a 200-250w TDP CPU, add platform overhead and an SSD, that's 1000w at load. With the way climate change is a buzz word and rising energy costs, it's about time these companies focus on efficiency.The problem is, much like the automotive industry and so many others, the efficiency gains made by technological, engineering and manufacturing innovations is wasted by constantly delivering more power to the consumer. This is why we have 300+HP 3-cylinder engines in grocery getter Corollas that get 25MPG instead of 150HP 3-cylinder engines that get 50MPG.
TheinsanegamerN - Saturday, December 10, 2022 - link
The hybrid gets 44 MMPG, nothing is stopping you from buying it.thestryker - Monday, December 12, 2022 - link
The GALAX RTX 4090 HOF would like to have a word with you about that. While I think it's stupid and would never run such a thing myself it does already exist.I'm assuming MSI erred on the side of maximum compatibility without adapter cables which is why it only has one 12VHPWR connector. I can understand why they did it, but it is not outside the realm of possibility that power consumption is going to keep going up at the top end where this PSU also certainly sits.
Glock24 - Monday, December 19, 2022 - link
And the next Intel CPU will also probably require another 12VHPWR 😂Arutius - Thursday, December 8, 2022 - link
Back in the day we had these things called "right angle" connectors. They work quite well and avoid the large loop needed for proper strain relief.shabby - Saturday, December 10, 2022 - link
Pepperidge farms remembers...WaltC - Thursday, December 8, 2022 - link
I don't see ATX 3.0 PSUs becoming the norm for a long, long time, fortunately...;)TheinsanegamerN - Thursday, December 8, 2022 - link
These are great, now when your GPU melts a plug you have to replace your PSU as well! Fantastic stuff, really.Byte - Thursday, December 8, 2022 - link
Seems like all the mobo makers wanna get in on the PS game. I just had a chance to work with an Asus Thor and it is bloody amazing with its OLED screen and pretty decent price. I used to be an EVGA Superflower lifer, but I think i will be switching to Asus with that screen and really nice cables. Now i gotta upgrade to a goddamn case that actually shows the power supply since it was banished from view 5 years ago.lopri - Thursday, December 8, 2022 - link
If you want to show that screen you have to mount the PSU fan-up, meaning it’ll suck in hot air from the video card above. Typical ASUS.Leeea - Thursday, December 8, 2022 - link
1300 watts for the next gen systems.. . .
Just not feeling excited about that at the moment.
Samus - Friday, December 9, 2022 - link
Your not the only one. I already have a 4" duct exhaust some air from my case out my office window in the Summer. And it's only a 500w load draw PC according to my UPS LCD. That's 500W of heat I'm removing from my office when the goal is to cool my house in the Summer, not heat it.It's all fine in the Winter but 1300w or even 1000w is a radical amount of heat to remove from a small space. And you will want to remove it, otherwise your air conditioning system requires AT LEAST 1000w just to offset it!
So that's 2000w+ to keep a room the same temperature to play a game.
PeachNCream - Friday, December 9, 2022 - link
That's a lot of bullshit to go through just to amuse yourself though. There are less power intensive and expensive ways to get the same amount of entertainment.Threska - Saturday, December 10, 2022 - link
I imagine vibrators don't use that much. :-DTheinsanegamerN - Saturday, December 10, 2022 - link
yeah but in the summer I'm outside doing things, not playing bideo gamies.Those are for winter when its too Fing cold to go outside.
flyingpants265 - Wednesday, December 14, 2022 - link
So don't buy it. IMO these manufacturers are leaving a lot of performance on the table, there's just too much overheard built into both the hardware and software. Maybe if these things were redesigned from the ground up (like Apple's M1, but better) we'd see much better performance gains.My question is this: after every card out there can do 4k 120fps, what exactly is left? 8k doesn't even seem worth it at all, and neither does raytracing really. VR still sucks a decade later. Personally I'm a big supporter of ultrawide/surround gaming. But I can't really think of anything else.
watersb - Thursday, December 8, 2022 - link
Excellent review.It occurred to me that you might want to link to your discussion of the ATX 3.0 power excursion testing challenges somewhere on the "Conclusion" page, perhaps the third paragraph there.
It's new, and for those readers who skim the first page then jump to the last, it's worth their time to read it. (It's worth their time to read every word, but habits need a push to change in this case.)
hansmuff - Thursday, December 8, 2022 - link
For $350, this unit is too loud. There should be an offering with a larger chassis and a 140mm fan. Others can do it, so can you MSI.Samus - Friday, December 9, 2022 - link
Very disappointed in the fan myself. They should have made the case longer to put in a 140mm. Really odd design choice to restrict themselves on a flagship product with a short length PSU chassis.Oxford Guy - Friday, December 9, 2022 - link
These things should have 200mm Noctua fans.Tomatotech - Sunday, December 11, 2022 - link
Why is a (too small) 120mm fan or a (too large) 140mm fan acceptable but a (right size) 135mm fan forbidden due to patent issues?Can you patent a specific size of fan? Or a specific size of any commonly used item?
GreenReaper - Tuesday, December 20, 2022 - link
I tried reading this Chinese one, which does mention a 135mm fan in one dimension, but the wording is impenetrable. It expires in 2024, so perhaps if it is relevant it will permit expansion later. https://patents.google.com/patent/CN100498151C/enArbie - Friday, December 9, 2022 - link
An impressive piece of engineering, and high quality construction.I think the fan noise is a non-issue. It only starts running at ~400W (!) load by which time all case and graphics card cooling will be working hard. It's 40 dBA at 800W (!!) when everything else will be howling. With this buried in a case you probably will never even notice its noise contribution.
As for the price - the point is made that this should last for quite a few years and PCs. So, not bad, and you are getting what you pay for. In the hugely unlikely event that I ever build a digital space heater, this looks like a great choice.
Oxford Guy - Friday, December 9, 2022 - link
40 dB at 500W in the hot test, and up up from there.Arbie - Friday, December 9, 2022 - link
The hot box had intake air at 45C. That tests the design limits but isn't applicable to a desktop, where very few people will even be at 29C ambient. The "cold" test at 25C is far more relevant. And that's the basis for my opinion that fan noise will be a non-issue.GreenReaper - Tuesday, December 20, 2022 - link
Perhaps. 2023 is meant to be warmer, and it is likely to continue to warm over the lifetime of the unit. Of course if you have A/C, maybe that is not an issue, but it is relatively uncommon in Europe.quorm - Friday, December 9, 2022 - link
Can you elaborate on patent restrictions for 135mm fans in psu?PeachNCream - Friday, December 9, 2022 - link
Yeah so I rather dislike the marketing style of this article which holds back on listing the price until the last page. Please stick that at the start of the article so I can decide in the first paragraph if I'm going to read it because its affordable and worth considering or if I'm going to just read for fun. (I'll still read either way as will most of us, but for the cost, this is a hard no since its basically the cost of an complete, capable laptop and all you're getting is AC to DC power conversion, not even processing capability.)Arbie - Saturday, December 10, 2022 - link
Yes, I too want to see prices up front, for the same reason.Ryan Smith - Sunday, December 11, 2022 - link
That's fair criticism. We're certainly not trying to hide the price; it just didn't come up in the natural flow of trying to write an interesting introduction.I've gone ahead and added it to the specs table.
Kaggy - Sunday, December 11, 2022 - link
ATX should really refresh, I don't get why GAN isn't more common in such power supplies and go for a smaller form factor.Do people really still get full sized ATX and use all the available bays?
Glock24 - Monday, December 19, 2022 - link
Some GPUs are larger than an ITX case, and some ITX cases are so large thet they are called ITX because they'll ony fit and ITX motheroard.It's been more than 10 years that I only use SFF computers, but a lot of people apparently like humongous cases with lots of leds.
yifu - Tuesday, December 13, 2022 - link
we need to support anandtech, when innerfidelity went away, there is only commercials reviews. we need anandtech.com, we need some kind of honest authority, otherwise it's just chaos, and shit!!!hMunster - Wednesday, December 14, 2022 - link
This is getting ridiculous. I remember when 200-220W were normal and a 250W PSU was considered large.Glock24 - Monday, December 19, 2022 - link
What catched my attention is the "PCIE5" in the name, what do they want to achieve with that?GreenReaper - Tuesday, December 20, 2022 - link
Well, 12VHPWR is an amendment to the PCIe 5.0 specification by the PCI Special Interest Group: http://jongerow.com/12VHPWR/Presumably graphics cards supporting PCIe 5.0 will also have greater adoption of the new socket, so this indicates readiness for them. However, we don't see any of those on the market yet. It also seems to have been added to ATX 3.0, so if you want to be certified as such you (might? at a certain power?) have to include one.
web2dot0 - Saturday, December 24, 2022 - link
Who the hell needs a 1300W PSU for personal use? It’s almost like wasting energy to play computer games is coolYoussef 2010 - Friday, December 30, 2022 - link
The 12VHPWR adapters aren't poorly designed. The users were not fully seating the connectors as concluded by GamersNexus and further confirmed by Nvidia themselves. A SIMPLE leaflet instructing the users to verify that there's no gap between the connector and the plug was all that was required. It was an oversightMiddleman - Monday, February 6, 2023 - link
Its not about using 1300watts, its about running at 50% load efficiently.