quote: Wanting to take the thing apart and tinker with the insides, we were disappointed to find, from our Seagate sources themselves, that there was no method of getting inside the casing besides to crack the thing open with a screw driver.
That's not the case. I've been trying to get into my own 400Gb (sorry article's a little old) for a while and finally managed it. There are three slits on the baack of the casing (the side with the power etc sockets). If you stick a screwddriver or flat piece of metal in each of these leaning toward the grey plastic side you can release each of three fasteners. Once you've done this slide the grey face toward you (at the back of the drive). After that you'll need a five pointed screwdriver and you're in.
To me the most important criteria for determining the criteria for whether or not the backup software is worth anything is the ability to backup an entire drive and then restore it to a different hard drive than the source drive (ie a 3rd drive). It must be able to restore an entire OS installation to the third drive.
Why is this important? Because that is exactly what the user will need to do if his ro her primary drive fails. And if one is going to spend the money on an external hard drive they are doing it for one or two reasons: extra storage space and/or backup space. Any drive can do the former, but only well written software can do the extreme case of the former (mentioned above).
Because backing up and restoring an entire OS install is something that is extremely hard to do without the aid of software made specificly for this purppose (at least on Windows), this is something many customers are interested in. Unfortunately It's hard to find out the answer without actually trying it. Also, it would require the user have two internal hd (one of them being blank) in order to perform the test without risking data loss.
So Anandtech should do this for every external hd review. If I am spending a lot of money on an external hard drive, especially one that is explicitly meant for backups, I want to know before hand exactly what the software is and isn't capable of doing. This will be the deciding factor (assuming equal hard drive reliability and no huge performance differences) between the products. Why save $15 and get slightly faster file transfers if I am going to have to shell out $50 for decent total backup software if the competitor will give me good software to begin with?
Here are the system requirements for the BounceBack Express software...
Minimum System Requirements - Windows
- Intel Pentium or compatible processor
- 128 MB RAM
- Windows 2000/XP
- 15 MB available hard disk space
Minimum System Requirements - Mac
- G4 Processor or greater
- 128 MB RAM
- Mac OS X or greater
- 15 MB available hard disk space
Supported Backup Devices
- Internal IDE and Serial ATA Drives
- External USB and FireWire Drives
- PCMCIA Interface Hard Drives
- All CMS ABSplus Devices
- Requires sufficient hard disk space for backup
- CD contains both Mac and Windows version
- Includes Rescue CD (for Windows users)
> This is because the USB interface is dependent on the CPU whereas the FireWire interface is a peer-to-peer technology, which we mentioned during our look at the E5 last month.
I guess I can't read graphs, but isn't the CPU usage in case of FW 76.4% and in case of USB 79.3%?
Looks (almost) the same to me, so FW doesn't have any advantage.
I just returned the 300GB model today after 3 weeks of use. Everything I read about them said they were terrible but I had to give them a shot anyway. Sometimes my computer wouldn't recognize the drive. it would say no drive there. then on monday the drive decided that it was unformatted and needed to be reformatted. good thing that i kept a copy of everything i put on the external on my internal drives.
the 300gb one can be had for under $200 and even less after rebates.
How about some reliability tests on these drives. Does the firewire/usb interface affect the reliability of these drives? Are they prone to crashing for some reason?
I agree with your comments about reliability with these external drives. I have one and have the same problems with the disk suddenly becoming "unformatted". I have done a google search and this is a huge problem with these external USB or Firewire chipsets whether they are are the Oxford or Prolific flavors.
Somebody really needs to do an article about what is going on here as I have resorted to leaving my drive off unless I am doing a backup and then need to restore otherwise all my data gets destroyed.
I originally thought it might be due to write caching and changing it to safe mode but it makes no difference with mine. If I leave it on eventually it becomes "Unformatted".
type this into google and you will see this is a wide spread problem with these external drives: windows delayed write failure
I've used Report and although its great, I've had better luck with WheresTheFreeSpace. It is Modeled after a PC application that is very popular called <a href="http://www.wheresthefreespace.com">Treesiz... (but its for Mac).</a>
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leydar - Tuesday, October 9, 2007 - link
That's not the case. I've been trying to get into my own 400Gb (sorry article's a little old) for a while and finally managed it. There are three slits on the baack of the casing (the side with the power etc sockets). If you stick a screwddriver or flat piece of metal in each of these leaning toward the grey plastic side you can release each of three fasteners. Once you've done this slide the grey face toward you (at the back of the drive). After that you'll need a five pointed screwdriver and you're in.
Stephen
huges84 - Thursday, October 6, 2005 - link
To me the most important criteria for determining the criteria for whether or not the backup software is worth anything is the ability to backup an entire drive and then restore it to a different hard drive than the source drive (ie a 3rd drive). It must be able to restore an entire OS installation to the third drive.Why is this important? Because that is exactly what the user will need to do if his ro her primary drive fails. And if one is going to spend the money on an external hard drive they are doing it for one or two reasons: extra storage space and/or backup space. Any drive can do the former, but only well written software can do the extreme case of the former (mentioned above).
Because backing up and restoring an entire OS install is something that is extremely hard to do without the aid of software made specificly for this purppose (at least on Windows), this is something many customers are interested in. Unfortunately It's hard to find out the answer without actually trying it. Also, it would require the user have two internal hd (one of them being blank) in order to perform the test without risking data loss.
So Anandtech should do this for every external hd review. If I am spending a lot of money on an external hard drive, especially one that is explicitly meant for backups, I want to know before hand exactly what the software is and isn't capable of doing. This will be the deciding factor (assuming equal hard drive reliability and no huge performance differences) between the products. Why save $15 and get slightly faster file transfers if I am going to have to shell out $50 for decent total backup software if the competitor will give me good software to begin with?
Thank you for considering my post.
Jynx980 - Saturday, October 1, 2005 - link
Does the BounceBack software default to starting with widnows every time? How much RAM does the software it take up when running in the background?PuravSanghani - Sunday, October 2, 2005 - link
Here are the system requirements for the BounceBack Express software...Minimum System Requirements - Windows
- Intel Pentium or compatible processor
- 128 MB RAM
- Windows 2000/XP
- 15 MB available hard disk space
Minimum System Requirements - Mac
- G4 Processor or greater
- 128 MB RAM
- Mac OS X or greater
- 15 MB available hard disk space
Supported Backup Devices
- Internal IDE and Serial ATA Drives
- External USB and FireWire Drives
- PCMCIA Interface Hard Drives
- All CMS ABSplus Devices
- Requires sufficient hard disk space for backup
- CD contains both Mac and Windows version
- Includes Rescue CD (for Windows users)
Regards,
Purav
Olaf van der Spek - Thursday, September 29, 2005 - link
> This is because the USB interface is dependent on the CPU whereas the FireWire interface is a peer-to-peer technology, which we mentioned during our look at the E5 last month.I guess I can't read graphs, but isn't the CPU usage in case of FW 76.4% and in case of USB 79.3%?
Looks (almost) the same to me, so FW doesn't have any advantage.
DigitalFreak - Thursday, September 29, 2005 - link
I noticed that too. Not to mention that the Seagate's USB CPU utilization was lower than the E5's Firewire... Not what I'd call a valid conclusion.CrystalBay - Thursday, September 29, 2005 - link
Author P.S. how are you running ddr2 with A64 and NF4DrMrLordX - Thursday, September 29, 2005 - link
Makes no sense to have DDR2 on an athlon 64 platform. It really doesn't.Typo, I hope?
overclockingoodness - Thursday, September 29, 2005 - link
Well, Duh! Of course it's a typo.PuravSanghani - Thursday, September 29, 2005 - link
That was definitely a typo and it has definitely been fixed.foot167 - Thursday, September 29, 2005 - link
I just returned the 300GB model today after 3 weeks of use. Everything I read about them said they were terrible but I had to give them a shot anyway. Sometimes my computer wouldn't recognize the drive. it would say no drive there. then on monday the drive decided that it was unformatted and needed to be reformatted. good thing that i kept a copy of everything i put on the external on my internal drives.the 300gb one can be had for under $200 and even less after rebates.
How about some reliability tests on these drives. Does the firewire/usb interface affect the reliability of these drives? Are they prone to crashing for some reason?
ScottyDog - Friday, September 30, 2005 - link
I agree with your comments about reliability with these external drives. I have one and have the same problems with the disk suddenly becoming "unformatted". I have done a google search and this is a huge problem with these external USB or Firewire chipsets whether they are are the Oxford or Prolific flavors.Somebody really needs to do an article about what is going on here as I have resorted to leaving my drive off unless I am doing a backup and then need to restore otherwise all my data gets destroyed.
I originally thought it might be due to write caching and changing it to safe mode but it makes no difference with mine. If I leave it on eventually it becomes "Unformatted".
type this into google and you will see this is a wide spread problem with these external drives: windows delayed write failure
Googer - Thursday, September 29, 2005 - link
Dosen't it have 1394? I won't buy an External HDD with out 1394a and/or 1394b.MASCARNHAS - Monday, June 21, 2010 - link
I've used Report and although its great, I've had better luck with WheresTheFreeSpace. It is Modeled after a PC application that is very popular called <a href="http://www.wheresthefreespace.com">Treesiz... (but its for Mac).</a>