Okay, I can see the X670E having a difference, but there seems to be almost no differentiation for the other three.
Also, AMD, please stop copying the bad parts of intel and stop using "B and E" for your chipsets. In particular, please stop using "B" for your chipsets, it's confusing a fuck
I think the amount of I/O is a pretty big differentiator.
Both X670E and X670 have dual chipsets so they almost double the possible number of PCIe, SATA and USB connections from the chipset compared to either B650 variant. (The scaling is not perfect since x4 PCIe lanes are lost on the first chipset due to daisy-chaining.)
I'd look at the "E" and "non-E" more as variants instead of distinct chipsets. "E" just designates better PCIe Gen 5 support.
That's the thing though, AMD hasn't bothered to offer any more details. In the graph, it only says "up to 14 USB 3.2 Gen2x2" on all of them?" and then we have zero idea how many PCIe lanes and SATA ports are offered from the I/O chip.
I guess I'll just have to wait for more announcements from AMD.
I think you need to be more specific when you simply say I/O chip. Because you say we have no idea as to the number of PCIE lanes on the I/O chip, but we do. Remember, the CPU also has an I/O chip (1 I/O die and 2 core complex dies). So we know the new CPUs have the same number of PCIE lanes as last generation. What we don't know is how many additional PCIE lanes the Motherboard Chipset offers.
Right now everyone is making all this noise about PCIE Gen 5. But we can barely even saturate Gen 4. And we can only do that with NAND storage. Graphics cards, even next gen graphics cards can't and won't saturate a gen 4 lane, let alone a gen 5 lane. So I don't understand why it's such a big deal when we have for more issues in general running out lanes than we do running into bandwidth limitations.
Having all that extra bandwidth in PCIE Gen 5 is nice...for the future. But what I need now, is more PCIE lanes so I can do more with the system I have for more storage drives (both NVME and SATA). I don't need Threadripper levels PCIE Lanes, but I definitely need more than what was offered on the AM4 socket. If they're not going to offer more CPU based PCIE lanes with Ryzen 7000, then I'm really hoping that with AM5 and PCIE Gen5, they finally start offering more chipset based PCIE lanes. I may not need the extreme resources of a full on Threadripper workstation, but I definitely need more room to breath than they're offering right now.
I'm sure that using B for chipsets was a deliberate marketing move that AMD used to annoy Intel (and confuse users). It forced intel to move from B250 to B360, as B350 was already taken by AMD.
While this tactic might not be that relevant these days, AMD users are already used to Bx50 from AMD, so there's no good reason to move from this.
I agree that 'E' is somewhat confusing, but I still think it has more benefit than not. The alternatives would have been to either not offer functionality distinction at all, which I think would have been worse for OEMs and users alike, or offer different chipset names for different functionalities, such as X675 and B355 instead of X670E and B350E, which might have been a bit of an improvement but not significantly so, IMO.
AMD X670 Extreme: Bringing the most connectivity and extreme overclocking capabilities11 with PCIe 5.0 support for graphics and storage AMD X670: Supporting enthusiast overclocking with PCIe® 5.0 support for storage and optional graphics support AMD B650E: Designed for performance users with PCIe® 5.0 storage support and optional graphics support AMD B650: Designed for mainstream users with support for DDR5 memory and optional PCIe® 5.0 support
Also, maybe it is not required feature, so bottom edge B650 boards may be so crap, that they don´t support OC, but I am sure that every respectable manufacturer will release B650 boards that support OC. 670 and 650 use same chipset (670 only have two when 650 have one) so there is no reason to leave OC of, if you use decent parts. Otherwise you would lose sails to the competition that allow OC.
I'll wait for the official release and prices. I hope there will be a B650 with PCIe 5.0 x16 option available. I don't need CPU overclocking, but I do need PCIe 5.0 for a GPU. It's an investment for the future.
Well, if B650e allows me to have 1 x 16xPCIe5 Radeon RX 7950XT and 2 x 4xPCIe5 M.2 4TB NVMe SSDs then it should be okay to accompany my Ryzen R9-7950X CPU w/ 2 x 32GB DDR5 6400.
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meacupla - Monday, August 29, 2022 - link
Okay, I can see the X670E having a difference, but there seems to be almost no differentiation for the other three.Also, AMD, please stop copying the bad parts of intel and stop using "B and E" for your chipsets. In particular, please stop using "B" for your chipsets, it's confusing a fuck
Hul8 - Monday, August 29, 2022 - link
I think the amount of I/O is a pretty big differentiator.Both X670E and X670 have dual chipsets so they almost double the possible number of PCIe, SATA and USB connections from the chipset compared to either B650 variant. (The scaling is not perfect since x4 PCIe lanes are lost on the first chipset due to daisy-chaining.)
I'd look at the "E" and "non-E" more as variants instead of distinct chipsets. "E" just designates better PCIe Gen 5 support.
meacupla - Monday, August 29, 2022 - link
That's the thing though, AMD hasn't bothered to offer any more details.In the graph, it only says "up to 14 USB 3.2 Gen2x2" on all of them?" and then we have zero idea how many PCIe lanes and SATA ports are offered from the I/O chip.
I guess I'll just have to wait for more announcements from AMD.
ValhallasAshes - Thursday, September 1, 2022 - link
I think you need to be more specific when you simply say I/O chip. Because you say we have no idea as to the number of PCIE lanes on the I/O chip, but we do. Remember, the CPU also has an I/O chip (1 I/O die and 2 core complex dies). So we know the new CPUs have the same number of PCIE lanes as last generation. What we don't know is how many additional PCIE lanes the Motherboard Chipset offers.Right now everyone is making all this noise about PCIE Gen 5. But we can barely even saturate Gen 4. And we can only do that with NAND storage. Graphics cards, even next gen graphics cards can't and won't saturate a gen 4 lane, let alone a gen 5 lane. So I don't understand why it's such a big deal when we have for more issues in general running out lanes than we do running into bandwidth limitations.
Having all that extra bandwidth in PCIE Gen 5 is nice...for the future. But what I need now, is more PCIE lanes so I can do more with the system I have for more storage drives (both NVME and SATA). I don't need Threadripper levels PCIE Lanes, but I definitely need more than what was offered on the AM4 socket. If they're not going to offer more CPU based PCIE lanes with Ryzen 7000, then I'm really hoping that with AM5 and PCIE Gen5, they finally start offering more chipset based PCIE lanes. I may not need the extreme resources of a full on Threadripper workstation, but I definitely need more room to breath than they're offering right now.
ET - Tuesday, August 30, 2022 - link
I'm sure that using B for chipsets was a deliberate marketing move that AMD used to annoy Intel (and confuse users). It forced intel to move from B250 to B360, as B350 was already taken by AMD.While this tactic might not be that relevant these days, AMD users are already used to Bx50 from AMD, so there's no good reason to move from this.
I agree that 'E' is somewhat confusing, but I still think it has more benefit than not. The alternatives would have been to either not offer functionality distinction at all, which I think would have been worse for OEMs and users alike, or offer different chipset names for different functionalities, such as X675 and B355 instead of X670E and B350E, which might have been a bit of an improvement but not significantly so, IMO.
shabby - Monday, August 29, 2022 - link
Pcie5 is optional of x670? Wtf?Ryan Smith - Monday, August 29, 2022 - link
To quote AMD's own press release:AMD X670 Extreme: Bringing the most connectivity and extreme overclocking capabilities11 with
PCIe 5.0 support for graphics and storage
AMD X670: Supporting enthusiast overclocking with PCIe® 5.0 support for storage and optional
graphics support
AMD B650E: Designed for performance users with PCIe® 5.0 storage support and optional
graphics support
AMD B650: Designed for mainstream users with support for DDR5 memory and optional PCIe®
5.0 support
shabby - Monday, August 29, 2022 - link
I would expect the pcie slot to be 5.0 also, it seems like it wont be.nandnandnand - Tuesday, August 30, 2022 - link
We'll just have to see how this shakes out, and read the motherboard specs carefully before you buy anything.boozed - Tuesday, August 30, 2022 - link
That's the "optional graphics support" most likely. I'd expect most retail motherboards to have it enabled as a selling point.Plifzig - Monday, August 29, 2022 - link
Your table mentions Quad Channel DDR5 support. Is that accurate?mukiex - Monday, August 29, 2022 - link
I think it's just "quad channel" insofar as DDR5 is inherently dual channel. Note the "128-bit bus" comment. That would only be 2 channels of DDR5.danbob999 - Tuesday, August 30, 2022 - link
confusingly, quad channel DDR5 is comparable to what we are used to call dual channel with DDR4DDR5 has two "channels" on one module. So you need 2 modules to get "quad channels".
Khanan - Tuesday, August 30, 2022 - link
You can compare DDR5 to GDDR5, it’s quad pumped now, hence the high (effective) clock speeds. So yes it is quad channel. But still with 2 sticks.erotomania - Tuesday, September 6, 2022 - link
Just to be clear, "quad pumped" does not equal quad channel.TheinsanegamerN - Tuesday, August 30, 2022 - link
So AMD is removing CPU OC support from all but their highest end chipsets now. Wasn't intel the big bad for locking CPU OC on non Z series chipsets?meacupla - Tuesday, August 30, 2022 - link
Yes.But since we don't have pricing info available yet, it's hard to judge how much of a limiting factor this will be.
Dante Verizon - Wednesday, August 31, 2022 - link
That's a disgrace no matter which side it is..SteinFG - Wednesday, August 31, 2022 - link
Can you clarify CPU overclocking support with AMD? I heard Robert Hallock saying that B650 supports overclocking just like B550, so full OC suite.Dante Verizon - Wednesday, August 31, 2022 - link
B650 boards do not support CPU overclocking? If this information is correct, this is an intel level move. What a disgrace.Dante Verizon - Wednesday, August 31, 2022 - link
PS, its false, B650 support CPU OC. Please fix ithttps://www.pcgamer.com/amd-b650-overclocking-ryze...
haukionkannel - Wednesday, August 31, 2022 - link
Also, maybe it is not required feature, so bottom edge B650 boards may be so crap, that they don´t support OC, but I am sure that every respectable manufacturer will release B650 boards that support OC. 670 and 650 use same chipset (670 only have two when 650 have one) so there is no reason to leave OC of, if you use decent parts. Otherwise you would lose sails to the competition that allow OC.tommo1982 - Wednesday, August 31, 2022 - link
I'll wait for the official release and prices. I hope there will be a B650 with PCIe 5.0 x16 option available. I don't need CPU overclocking, but I do need PCIe 5.0 for a GPU. It's an investment for the future.HardwareDufus - Thursday, September 1, 2022 - link
Well, if B650e allows me to have 1 x 16xPCIe5 Radeon RX 7950XT and 2 x 4xPCIe5 M.2 4TB NVMe SSDs then it should be okay to accompany my Ryzen R9-7950X CPU w/ 2 x 32GB DDR5 6400.