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  • Threska - Thursday, June 23, 2022 - link

    Wonder if "heavily loaded" will be the new norm with the upcoming video cards?
  • PeachNCream - Thursday, June 23, 2022 - link

    If people keep buying them regardless of the absurd power consumption, then yes. There will probably be a segment of the population that mindlessly chases more computer performance regardless of the lack of practical usefulness or implications it has for our shared planet. Those selfish sorts want their entertainment no matter the cost in resources or the impact it has in the long term.
  • mode_13h - Thursday, June 23, 2022 - link

    Yeah, I'm really hoping graphics cards with insane power dissipation numbers start to experience weaker uptake. As long as people keep buying them, manufacturers will keep building them.
  • hansmuff - Monday, June 27, 2022 - link

    People buy 3090 cards for their gaming performance. But those people are few, we just hear about them more because we travel in enthusiast circles.

    It's a given people will put up with 600W cards, however I imagine just the heat output alone, not even talking noise, will be unbearable in a regular size room. I mean, I throttle my 3080 to 250W, losing just a little performance but that's as much as I can take heat and noise wise; noise of course being particular to my model.

    Anyhow. What I thusly wish is that these cards come with a switch that puts it in, for instance, a 300W max draw mode. Something people can use to boot the card with a 550/600W power supply, and then downvolt/downclock once in the OS.

    That would make sense to me and would make me consider such a card. Those who want the thing to scream can have that, and I can have mine.

    And I know a good number of cards have speed selectors/BIOS configuration selectors on them, but oftentimes they're not offering something that cuts down performance 20-30%, which is probably around what is needed for what I wish to exist.
  • nucc1 - Tuesday, July 26, 2022 - link

    Why not buy a 3060 then?
  • rtho782 - Monday, June 27, 2022 - link

    Our long term plan for the planet shouldn't really involve worrying about 600W GPUs. They are a tiny segment anyway, but we should be looking for renewables, energy storage, and hell maybe fusion, to make electrical energy use irrelevant in the next couple of decades.

    If GPUs ran on coal I'd be worried but we just need to stop using fossil fuels.
  • rtho782 - Monday, June 27, 2022 - link

    And in any case, for every one person buying a 600W GPU, there are probably 10+ "petrolhead" car owners doing far more damage to the environment.
  • melisjan - Tuesday, June 28, 2022 - link

    Hi I don't want to be anyhow offensive towars you, but renewable sources as substitute of traditional coal/gas/nuclear powerplants are just a dream of people who don't undrstand physics. We in Europe can see it for example in Germany. You need to understand that not every country have sunshine like on Sahara, not everywhere is wind like on Baltic coast and definitely not everywhere is river where you can build huge dam.
  • Zoolook - Tuesday, June 28, 2022 - link

    Luckily we have nuclear then, unless incompetent politicians ban them without reason.
  • mode_13h - Monday, July 4, 2022 - link

    > incompetent politicians ban them without reason.

    You're being sarcastic, right? Don't you know Germany has been decommissioning all of its nuclear plants for more than a decade? Germans got scared by seeing the Fukushima disaster and Green politicians capitalized on that fear.
  • mode_13h - Monday, July 4, 2022 - link

    > renewable sources as substitute of traditional coal/gas/nuclear powerplants
    > are just a dream of people who don't undrstand physics.
    > We in Europe can see it for example in Germany.

    In much of Germany, you should be able to get about 200 kWh/m^2 per year from solar. My personal electricity usage is 235 - 370 kWh per month. So, that means I'd just need about 22 m^2 of solar panels to average net zero consumption. However, I still have gas for cooking and heating, so that would need to be factored as well.

    > You need to understand that not every country have sunshine like on Sahara,

    You import virtually all of your oil and gas. Why should renewable energy be so different? Whatever you can't generate in-country, you could import in the form of hydrogen or perhaps some chemical form that can reuse some of the existing oil and gas infrastructure.
  • andychow - Tuesday, June 28, 2022 - link

    H3 fusion, or any type of fusion, will never occur on earth. The high energy particles they release are just unstoppable and cause too much damage.
    Maybe we could do H3 fusion on the dark side of the moon, then send it back too earth by radio waves with a huge receptor that goes around the earth, but I seriously doubt that could happen this millennia.
  • niva - Wednesday, June 29, 2022 - link

    Wrong.

    Firs of, when you type H3 are you talking about Tritium or Helium 3? What are these high energy particles you're talking about. You can look up fusion reactions and see that there are no exotic high energy particles that we cannot contain (like the type of particles you see in cosmic rays). This is true for all viable fusion reactions.

    We have done fusion reactions on Earth, and we're getting closer to doing them for less energy than what the actual reaction outputs. This has been the main challenge which has thusfar prevented fusion from taking off... meaning, right now, we usually have to feed more energy into fusion reactors to start and maintain fusion, than the reactors can output.

    Some entities have claimed success on those fronts recently too. Our main challenges going forward in terms of fusion is to better optimize the reactors, and to secure enough fuel.

    The idea of beaming energy back to Earth from space is a neat one, until you microwave the entire surface of the planet by "accident".
  • mode_13h - Monday, July 4, 2022 - link

    > The idea of beaming energy back to Earth from space is a neat one

    It's not a new idea. People have long talked about putting solar power stations in orbit and beaming down the power via microwaves. If you make the collector large enough, you can make it relatively safe for humans.

    > until you microwave the entire surface of the planet by "accident".

    Obviously, the larger the area, the lower the energy density. So, the concern wouldn't be "the entire surface", but rather cooking a city block... if one were dumb enough to use such a narrow beam.
  • mode_13h - Monday, July 4, 2022 - link

    > Our long term plan for the planet shouldn't really involve worrying about 600W GPUs.

    It's not just top-end gaming GPUs, but a general trend that seems to be happening with GPUs and CPUs.
  • mode_13h - Monday, July 4, 2022 - link

    > If GPUs ran on coal I'd be worried

    So much of worldwide power generation is indeed from coal or oil. Even gas isn't much better, depending on how much of it leaks during extraction and transportation.
  • RSAUser - Wednesday, June 29, 2022 - link

    I'm still wondering if California will step in and put a max allowed for a consumer GPU.
    Also interested if this argument will matter when more and more move to renewable where it won't really matter outside of peak power usage.
  • mode_13h - Monday, July 4, 2022 - link

    I feel like California's electricity prices are already high enough they don't need to.
  • Tunnah - Thursday, June 23, 2022 - link

    Gigabyte PSUs are radioactive. I can't imagine ANY enthusiast would risk buying them considering the debacle they went through. Truly a toxic product line. There's just too many great alternatives to take a risk. It's very much the case of "not even if it was free"
  • flyingpants265 - Thursday, June 23, 2022 - link

    It was the job of sites like Anandtech to do what GamersNexus did with exhaustive/destructive testing. GN also explained the phony PSU stickers, I think they've done such on other products as well, exposing plenty of shady industry practices and defective products.

    What we really need (and needed all along) was a chart, rating ALL products by advertised performance, their durability, and the warranty service. Like, a 3-year warranty doesn't help you if a card fails over and over again even outside the warranty period. And if my PSU fails, no way am I using a replacement of the same model that failed.

    As usual, some real thought & genuine effort put into anything would be nice...
  • StevoLincolnite - Thursday, June 23, 2022 - link

    Yeah, not much comment from Anandtech, they used to be the leaders in this field... But it seems more convenient and easier to just get information from a select few Youtube channels than this site now.
  • DigitalFreak - Friday, June 24, 2022 - link

    AT hasn't done this in years. The last thing I remember them doing like that was exposing SSD vendors (OCZ?) for switching to lower performing parts while not updating the model number.
    GN is the go-to site for this stuff now.
  • LordSojar - Saturday, June 25, 2022 - link

    You might enjoy this, then.

    https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/
  • 29a - Thursday, June 23, 2022 - link

    How about not going so heavy on the acronyms. It really helps to write the whole thing out the first time you use it.
  • mode_13h - Thursday, June 23, 2022 - link

    You mean like APFC and MOSFET? I feel you, but then again even writing them out wouldn't help without a proper explanation, which could turn into quite a digression. At that point, people are really just better off looking up those terms themselves, so they can get the appropriate level of understanding they seek.
  • DanNeely - Friday, June 24, 2022 - link

    If written, such definitions should be put in a boilerplate "how we test" page that gets included with each article. Available for anyone new, but not a bother for the rest of us since we can just skip over it.
  • mode_13h - Friday, June 24, 2022 - link

    Yeah, I've seen Toms Hardware have explainer articles, which are then linked from the relevant reviews. That would be a way to provide background, without cluttering up the actual review.

    Because, at some point in time, everyone needed/needs to learn what PFC is and why it matters. Plus, it's a cheap way to get another article & more page views.
  • meacupla - Friday, June 24, 2022 - link

    If you don't know the acronym, you might as well look it up.
    If you've never heard of the acronym in the first place, there is a high chance that you wouldn't understand what it does, just from the string of words the acronym is made from.
    This applies to most electronic/computer acronyms.
  • Khanan - Thursday, June 23, 2022 - link

    Aside from the loud fan it seems to be good enough.
  • Techie2 - Thursday, June 23, 2022 - link

    I used a lot of Gigabyte Durable mobos over the years with excellent success. When they failed to upgrade their VRM design to handle AMD's 8-core CPUs and the VRM would overheat and throttle the CPU frequency/performance I notified Gigabyte constantly for almost a year. They proceeded to tell me I was wrong even though reports started showing up in mobo forums all over the net confirming the problem with the heavy power required for the 8-core AMD CPUs. So I discontinued using Gigabyte mobos since I could not rely on them to be reliable and properly engineered for the application. Some two years later they finally upgraded the VRMs for the defective mobos but they never replaced or recalled the defective ones they sold.

    From this review it looks like this is another "price point" product as sold by any number of PSU purveyors instead of a true premium quality, long-life design that most folks building high end PC systems would desire. I'll pass on this and the many cookie cutter products dumped into the marketplace by companies looking to boost their profits by sticking their name on a mediocre product that they don't even produce. There is a lot of badge engineering for profit these days.
  • Khanan - Friday, June 24, 2022 - link

    This makes a lot of sense and I agree with this. Same shit they did with recent PSUs, didn’t accept it’s trash and wanted to sell it anyway via Newegg bundles. Hot trash, just sell it fast instead of recalling. Everyone knows what happened after, a PR disaster, there are multiple videos about in on gamersnexus YouTube. Gigabyte nowadays seems to be like a hit or miss, you really should know what’s good and what’s not with them or you risk buying trash or a mediocre product. With this PSU it’s pretty fine, I just don’t get why they put such a cheap fan in it.
  • Leeea - Thursday, June 23, 2022 - link

    Anandtech, you are familiar with the rather recent Gigabyte power supply debacle? The recall for "known to occasionally catch fire"?

    The one where it appeared they realized they had a massive issue with PSU quality
    then worked with newegg to dump this defective stock on unsuspecting customers
    were outed by Gamers Nexus and others for this blatant anti-consumer behavior

    and lastly, recalled the defective models because they were "known to occasionally catch fire"

    That was September 2021, not long ago.
    https://www.google.com/search?q=gigabyte+power+sup...
    https://www.tomshardware.com/news/gigabyte-full-re...

    I would think the most important detail in any Gigabyte power supply review would be to address the question:
    Will this light on fire?

    with pretty much everything else being a distant second concern.
  • Threska - Thursday, June 23, 2022 - link

    Clearly running Crysis would be a bad idea.
  • Khanan - Friday, June 24, 2022 - link

    He did a high current test and the PSU passed so yes it’s fine. The issue was with cheaper models, this is a bit more expensive.
  • Leeea - Friday, June 24, 2022 - link

    He did many very good tests, and for all the questions not related to "Will this light on fire?" the review was excellent.

    However, if I remember right, to spontaneously ignite a Gigabyte PSU they were triggering the OCP. It would work once or twice, but the majority of tested units failed with considerable drama.

    Thing is, when a GPU pushes its transients up and triggers the OCP, most users do not realize why their computer just shut down. This results most users who trigger OCP triggering it several times in a row.

    Which on Gigabytes previous models, was rolling the dice on an unfortunate and dramatic failure. Or as Tom's Hardware put it: "known to occasionally catch fire"

    While E. Fylladitakis's testing was excellent and exhaustive, it does not appear he tested the known failure mode for Gigabyte power supplies.

    It is also unlikely anyone could answer the question: "Will this light on fire?", because considering Gigabytes recent history, who knows?
  • DanNeely - Friday, June 24, 2022 - link

    Anandtech editors work from home. Deliberately trying to trigger a fire starting failure mode almost certainly goes against E. Fylladitakis's insurance and/or rental agreements. It's the sort of thing that needs to be done in commercial/industrial spaces with fire suppression and enhanced insurance coverage.

    After the recent debacle, I hope GN does attempt to trigger similar failures in other PSUs but disagree that it should be part of a standard for all reviewers going forward.
  • Leeea - Friday, June 24, 2022 - link

    You make good points.

    Gamers Nexus did try a whole bunch of other brands, including no name Amazon Brands. They discovered a bunch of Amazon/Ebay brands were lying about their 80+ efficiency, but they were not able to get any of the other brands to self combust.

    I suppose for a home reviewer getting a RMA on GPU with scorch marks not going to be doable.

    I guess it is one of those catch 22 moments, where if he mentions it people are going to ask why he did not test it, and if he does not mention it people like me are going to pitchfork him.

    That said, I do feel consumers should know Gigabyte has a recent history of selling very questionable PSUs while appearing to ignore reports of disaster with said PSUs.
  • E.Fyll - Friday, June 24, 2022 - link

    If that is enough to put your mind at ease, I always test all of the primary safety mechanisms of every PSU. This includes OPP and it worked as expected. If it did not, I would be yet another reviewer with a dead sample on my bench anyway.

    I am familiar with the issues GB had to deal with. The new revisions, although far from perfect, at least will not blow up while playing minecraft.
  • Leeea - Friday, June 24, 2022 - link

    Thank you!
  • Kaggy - Thursday, June 23, 2022 - link

    Wonder if ATX PSUs will eventually graduate from ATX and become smaller through GAN technology.
  • DanNeely - Monday, June 27, 2022 - link

    Aren't GAN power transistors significantly more expensive though?
  • meacupla - Tuesday, June 28, 2022 - link

    What you are looking for already exists.
    There are several GaN SFX PSUs, as well as GaN SFX PSUs that are on the market and available for purchase.
    Great Wall is one of the OEMs that offers GaN PSUs, while Corsair, Cooler Master, and Silverstone all offer a GaN PSU of some sort. Not sure if there are others.
  • Shmee - Friday, June 24, 2022 - link

    I wonder how explosive these are.
  • DigitalFreak - Friday, June 24, 2022 - link

    Smokin'
  • 3ogdy - Saturday, July 16, 2022 - link

    Remember Gamers Nexus' experience:they bought a lot of Gigabyte PSUs and most of them ended up blowing up. Based on that, I wouldn't touch a Gigabyte PSU with a 10 ft pole.
  • mode_13h - Sunday, July 17, 2022 - link

    Were they all the same model? Did they diagnose the cause? Because my two thoughts would be that either it's a batch failure from the assembly line or a batch failure of a common component.

    Either way, it suggests poor quality control on Gigabyte's part, but hopefully they'll learn from that experience.

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