You should be careful with your explanation of SPL: while +3db is double the energy, it’s a relatively small change from a human perspective. While it is subjective, a human-hearing-based doubling in perceived loudness is around +10db(a). In your example of +30db, it’s more like 8-10 times as loud *to a human listener*.
The power and cooling editor is writing articles about cooling devices. Shocking there.
I don't know if any more Ian articles are stuck in the pipeline somewhere; at this point I doubt it though.
The mobo editor, Gavin's been ill (covid) recently.
With Ian's departure though, I think Ryan's the last full time person on staff with everyone else moonlighting after their day jobs.
The corporate overlords appear uninterested in anything other than siphoning as much money out as they can; the number of authors has been going down for years with people who leave generally not being replaced and the site slowly dying as a result.
Thats a slippery slope, why not pay another $25 on top of that for a U12A?, and U12S is 70 euro on amazon de and $70 on amazon US, also it looks butt ugly and you gotta pay $10 more for the chromax. Noctua is a good company, but their coolers are generally overpriced and dated.
If the performance (cooling, noise, reliability) is right up there what does "dated" even mean? You buy coolers for their novelty value? Draw the price/performance plot and pick the best cooler in the segment you care about.
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SPC released Fortis 5 dual (tier more, than Fera 5 daul) for like 205zł = 47$ = 44 €, I will post graph with comparison of NH-U12S, Fera 5, Fortis 5 and few more. Fera and Fortis are better than U12S, with price 26€ less, but it is price in Poland, I don't now why on amazon.pl/amazon.de the Fortis 5 dual cost 73€, yes it's still quiter. https://youtu.be/f7IBV8LEeOc?t=203 (3:48 for noise test)
Why bother? Provided it's good enough, why pay more than necessary?
A lot of people can barely afford to buy non-superfluous components such as a non-stock CPU cooler. And while I'd also rather go for the best if I'm already going out of my way to buy a new cooler, I can see why a lot of people just want a quieter or cooler system and won't gain much from going for *the best*.
But is it really $20? Here in my country (a south american one) I can get a ID-COOLING SE-224-XT Basic for the equivalent of US$ 28 while a Noctua U12S Redux (no, not the "full-fat" version) goes for $100. So: 98-99% of the Noctua's cooling performance for 28% of the price. And the noise is actually reasonable considering the only part of my PC noisy enough to bother me is my GPU (should've known better than to buy a card from the line named WINDFORCE, heh). Heck, I could replace the Basic's fan with a Noctua NF-P12 Redux ($26 here) and get higher performance at the same noise level compared to the U12S
Whoops, I accidentally posted before I finished typing. Anyways, what I meant was that even in places where you can get all brands at MSRP the options for budget buyers are often very good and worth buying. I imagine there's more countries like mine where Noctua prices are horribly inflated for whatever reason, too.
Hey, I'm from Poland, so do a company and I want to clarify a few things. Firstly, yes it is really 20$, to be precise Fera 5 Dual Fan cost in poland 150zł = 34$ (VAT included, shipping in country free), and for a single fan version you have to pay 105zł = 24$. For example, I bought dual fan version on not so black friday (polish shops with electronics tends to rise prices in october to lower them in november), but I did manage to buy it for lowest ever price I belive of 80zł = 18.5$. I think it's awesome cooler. with Ryzen 5 1600 on 3.8 Ghz and 1.237V temps in idle 31 C and on 100% load after 3h it's 55 C. Additional I have 3 Fluctus fans (that wierd one, cutted in the fan) in my Phanteks case and it's so quiet. I'm just sad that in the test there is no Spartan 5 or Fortis 5. Spartan low tier, Fera low-medium, Fortis medium, and I bet they will present Grandis 5 (high-tier) to the end of year. On fall I'm putting new pc with ryzen 5 7th and there will be Grandis 5 dual on top of him What is the best deal out of that, is that they all coolers and fans have 6 years warranty. For the intrested I'm posting video (sorry but only in polsih) with graph for Fera 5 and Fortis 5 from series 5. https://youtu.be/f7IBV8LEeOc?t=200
Oh, I was not questioning the pricing on the SilentiumPC coolers, just pointing out to that user that the price difference with Noctuas might not necessarily be $20 everywhere. I think Silentium coolers are very good and fairly priced considering all reviews I've seen, though unfortunately they are not sold over here in my country. And that was a good deal you got, my country is very much like yours with regards to not-so-black-friday (oh, you unscrupulous merchants).
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Daeros - Tuesday, May 17, 2022 - link
You should be careful with your explanation of SPL: while +3db is double the energy, it’s a relatively small change from a human perspective. While it is subjective, a human-hearing-based doubling in perceived loudness is around +10db(a). In your example of +30db, it’s more like 8-10 times as loud *to a human listener*.There’s a pretty good breakdown of all this over at http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-levelchang...
abufrejoval - Tuesday, May 17, 2022 - link
A pulse!I have a pulse!
Well it's only a fan and not one of the stories Ian was supposed to have left in the pipeine, but well, seems the fan isn't all bad.
Could someone please send AT some mainboards, CPUs, GPUs and SSDs to review?
Please?
DanNeely - Thursday, May 19, 2022 - link
The power and cooling editor is writing articles about cooling devices. Shocking there.I don't know if any more Ian articles are stuck in the pipeline somewhere; at this point I doubt it though.
The mobo editor, Gavin's been ill (covid) recently.
With Ian's departure though, I think Ryan's the last full time person on staff with everyone else moonlighting after their day jobs.
The corporate overlords appear uninterested in anything other than siphoning as much money out as they can; the number of authors has been going down for years with people who leave generally not being replaced and the site slowly dying as a result.
usiname - Tuesday, May 17, 2022 - link
Wont be bad to add low end box collers from AMD and Intel. After all this type of coolers target exactly the owners of the box coolersSttm - Tuesday, May 17, 2022 - link
The Noctua U12S is $50. How much are you really saving going for one of these? $20? $10? For a machine you are going to use for at least a year right?Invest the $20!
firewrath9 - Tuesday, May 17, 2022 - link
Thats a slippery slope, why not pay another $25 on top of that for a U12A?, and U12S is 70 euro on amazon de and $70 on amazon US, also it looks butt ugly and you gotta pay $10 more for the chromax. Noctua is a good company, but their coolers are generally overpriced and dated.at_clucks - Tuesday, May 17, 2022 - link
If the performance (cooling, noise, reliability) is right up there what does "dated" even mean? You buy coolers for their novelty value? Draw the price/performance plot and pick the best cooler in the segment you care about.blackmetaversa - Tuesday, June 14, 2022 - link
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Sttm - Tuesday, May 17, 2022 - link
The gray one is $50 on Amazon.necroperversor - Thursday, May 19, 2022 - link
SPC released Fortis 5 dual (tier more, than Fera 5 daul) for like 205zł = 47$ = 44 €, I will post graph with comparison of NH-U12S, Fera 5, Fortis 5 and few more. Fera and Fortis are better than U12S, with price 26€ less, but it is price in Poland, I don't now why on amazon.pl/amazon.de the Fortis 5 dual cost 73€, yes it's still quiter. https://youtu.be/f7IBV8LEeOc?t=203 (3:48 for noise test)Wereweeb - Tuesday, May 17, 2022 - link
Why bother? Provided it's good enough, why pay more than necessary?A lot of people can barely afford to buy non-superfluous components such as a non-stock CPU cooler. And while I'd also rather go for the best if I'm already going out of my way to buy a new cooler, I can see why a lot of people just want a quieter or cooler system and won't gain much from going for *the best*.
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Meta22 - Tuesday, May 17, 2022 - link
But is it really $20? Here in my country (a south american one) I can get a ID-COOLING SE-224-XT Basic for the equivalent of US$ 28 while a Noctua U12S Redux (no, not the "full-fat" version) goes for $100. So: 98-99% of the Noctua's cooling performance for 28% of the price. And the noise is actually reasonable considering the only part of my PC noisy enough to bother me is my GPU (should've known better than to buy a card from the line named WINDFORCE, heh). Heck, I could replace the Basic's fan with a Noctua NF-P12 Redux ($26 here) and get higher performance at the same noise level compared to the U12SMeta22 - Tuesday, May 17, 2022 - link
Whoops, I accidentally posted before I finished typing. Anyways, what I meant was that even in places where you can get all brands at MSRP the options for budget buyers are often very good and worth buying. I imagine there's more countries like mine where Noctua prices are horribly inflated for whatever reason, too.Mgz - Wednesday, May 18, 2022 - link
I would second the ID-COOLING SE-224-XT option, in my case a South East Asia country so price is even cheaper, around 20$.Also my case is NR200 which the SE-224 fits well.
necroperversor - Thursday, May 19, 2022 - link
Hey, I'm from Poland, so do a company and I want to clarify a few things. Firstly, yes it is really 20$, to be precise Fera 5 Dual Fan cost in poland 150zł = 34$ (VAT included, shipping in country free), and for a single fan version you have to pay 105zł = 24$. For example, I bought dual fan version on not so black friday (polish shops with electronics tends to rise prices in october to lower them in november), but I did manage to buy it for lowest ever price I belive of 80zł = 18.5$. I think it's awesome cooler. with Ryzen 5 1600 on 3.8 Ghz and 1.237V temps in idle 31 C and on 100% load after 3h it's 55 C. Additional I have 3 Fluctus fans (that wierd one, cutted in the fan) in my Phanteks case and it's so quiet. I'm just sad that in the test there is no Spartan 5 or Fortis 5. Spartan low tier, Fera low-medium, Fortis medium, and I bet they will present Grandis 5 (high-tier) to the end of year. On fall I'm putting new pc with ryzen 5 7th and there will be Grandis 5 dual on top of him What is the best deal out of that, is that they all coolers and fans have 6 years warranty. For the intrested I'm posting video (sorry but only in polsih) with graph for Fera 5 and Fortis 5 from series 5. https://youtu.be/f7IBV8LEeOc?t=200Meta22 - Friday, May 20, 2022 - link
Oh, I was not questioning the pricing on the SilentiumPC coolers, just pointing out to that user that the price difference with Noctuas might not necessarily be $20 everywhere. I think Silentium coolers are very good and fairly priced considering all reviews I've seen, though unfortunately they are not sold over here in my country. And that was a good deal you got, my country is very much like yours with regards to not-so-black-friday (oh, you unscrupulous merchants).Review - Sunday, May 22, 2022 - link
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