With power requirements rising on the next generation of RTX GPUs, either we look for our own adequate thermal solutions or let the manufacturers handle it themselves. The thing is though...I highly doubt that the 3rd party GPU vendors will sell cards without pre-built cooling, unlike the best 12th gen/Zen unlocked CPUs.
That extra premium we pay ASUS/GIGABYTE/MSI/etc. to cool the GPUs are often good enough. I I agree that the reference fans/thermals, however, are often paltry.
That is such a dumb statement that totally ignores the fact that GPUs don't have a standardized mounting design where you can attach a standardized water block built that will fit.
No, instead, we get a standard mounting hole around the GPU, but completely different plate designs that cool RAM and VRM for almost every single card out there, making cross compatibility a nightmare. This is why we get these asinine $400 GPU blocks that only fit one card, and why most AIO watercooler manufacturers stay the hell away from a GPU AIO cooler.
If you’re referring to my post you’re way off because hacking on a water cooling system is hardly relevant to most enthusiasts. Water cooling loops are complex, expensive, and a hack.
I was obviously speaking to standards, standard equipment. If GPU makers had switched to the Fury X design of integrated water that would be a different matter. They have not. Only a few cards ship like that and they’re ridiculously overpriced. The existence of even the 3090 Ti in air-cooled form should be enough evidence for anyone to prove my argument.
The market is bizarrely warped into heavy space and cooling-to-noise ratio for CPUs and giving GPUs using vastly more power short shrift.
And, by referencing Fury X I was not implying that only a 120mm radiator integrated with a GPU is necessarily adequate. Here, once again, we have a triple-fan radiator for a CPU. Where are the triple-fan water-cooled radiators integrated into GPUs?
I’m with you Oxford Guy. We need GPUs to start offering a standard option for extra cooling - basically give us a mount of a GPU AIO cooler, right ? It would be great. I guess for the card manufacturers, they are selling the cooler as part of their value add and don’t benefit from opening up the GPU as a platform for other cooling products. This is probably what holds this back.
> CPUs need so much space and money devoted to efficient cooling but GPUs do not.
This statement needs some qualification and some tweaking. First, I think what you are trying to say is CPUs require additional spending for proper cooling, whereas most GPUs already come with adequate cooling out of the box. That ignores the fact that the third-party cooling solutions that vendors add above reference designs do increase prices above relase base MSRP. Second, your comment about space is inaccurate: GPUs are very much needing so much space for their stock cooling. The most recent offender is the RTX 3090 Ti, and before that the RTX 3090 Founders Edition. Worse yet, the recent round of rumors for RTX 40 series/Lovelace state that the RTX 3090 Ti is a mere taste for the cooling requirements that lie ahead, namely 450-800W power draw is expected for the next generation NVIDIA consumer flagship. All in all, your comment has some merit but is a bit out there since it ignores these points about the GPU space.
Ah that statement is not really true. If you want better than normal cooling on a GPU (like these sort of cpu coolers provide) then just get the product above. I have had a EVGA 980 ti Hybrid for 6 years and its still going strong. Nevers gets over 60 degrees. MSI are now doig similar products as well. Standardisation of cooling soltuions is never gonna happen as board partners use custom PCB's so yeah nah.
Other than the complications when trying to watercool the GPU, a GPU can be 90C° for ever without an issue. A CPU can't. Most GPU's are cooled propperly from factory, most (intel) CPU's aren't. The reason I would still Watercool my GPU is, I don't want that heat dispersed in my case.
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Oxford Guy - Monday, April 4, 2022 - link
PC enthusiasts are living in a strange fantasyland where CPUs need so much space and money devoted to efficient cooling but GPUs do not.theunshackled - Tuesday, April 5, 2022 - link
With power requirements rising on the next generation of RTX GPUs, either we look for our own adequate thermal solutions or let the manufacturers handle it themselves. The thing is though...I highly doubt that the 3rd party GPU vendors will sell cards without pre-built cooling, unlike the best 12th gen/Zen unlocked CPUs.That extra premium we pay ASUS/GIGABYTE/MSI/etc. to cool the GPUs are often good enough. I I agree that the reference fans/thermals, however, are often paltry.
meacupla - Tuesday, April 5, 2022 - link
That is such a dumb statement that totally ignores the fact that GPUs don't have a standardized mounting design where you can attach a standardized water block built that will fit.No, instead, we get a standard mounting hole around the GPU, but completely different plate designs that cool RAM and VRM for almost every single card out there, making cross compatibility a nightmare. This is why we get these asinine $400 GPU blocks that only fit one card, and why most AIO watercooler manufacturers stay the hell away from a GPU AIO cooler.
Oxford Guy - Tuesday, April 5, 2022 - link
‘That is such a dumb statement’If you’re referring to my post you’re way off because hacking on a water cooling system is hardly relevant to most enthusiasts. Water cooling loops are complex, expensive, and a hack.
I was obviously speaking to standards, standard equipment. If GPU makers had switched to the Fury X design of integrated water that would be a different matter. They have not. Only a few cards ship like that and they’re ridiculously overpriced. The existence of even the 3090 Ti in air-cooled form should be enough evidence for anyone to prove my argument.
The market is bizarrely warped into heavy space and cooling-to-noise ratio for CPUs and giving GPUs using vastly more power short shrift.
Oxford Guy - Tuesday, April 5, 2022 - link
And, by referencing Fury X I was not implying that only a 120mm radiator integrated with a GPU is necessarily adequate. Here, once again, we have a triple-fan radiator for a CPU. Where are the triple-fan water-cooled radiators integrated into GPUs?Nomgle - Wednesday, April 6, 2022 - link
They're on the market - https://www.sapphiretech.com/en/consumer/toxic-rad... as an example.Oxford Guy - Monday, April 11, 2022 - link
No doubt at an extremely premium price + an overclock that helps to negate the benefit.There is a big difference between that an something considered much closer to standard equipment.
Moonub - Saturday, April 23, 2022 - link
I’m with you Oxford Guy. We need GPUs to start offering a standard option for extra cooling - basically give us a mount of a GPU AIO cooler, right ? It would be great. I guess for the card manufacturers, they are selling the cooler as part of their value add and don’t benefit from opening up the GPU as a platform for other cooling products. This is probably what holds this back.shabby - Tuesday, April 5, 2022 - link
Pepperidge farm remembers when intel used to include coolers with their cpus... but only to hit the base clock 😂Khanan - Tuesday, April 5, 2022 - link
You can mod your GPU, never saw waterblocks? And that’s just an example.Oxford Guy - Tuesday, April 5, 2022 - link
Hacks are beside the point.Khanan - Tuesday, April 5, 2022 - link
Your comment is generally wrong. It doesn’t matter from which standpoint I look at it.With the demise of SLI and Crossfire GPU coolers are bigger than ever because there is no place reserved for the second gpu anymore.
Oxford Guy - Monday, April 11, 2022 - link
Bigger than ever? So what?It's still a lot less space and it's not at all optimal in terms of airflow.
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Hifihedgehog - Friday, April 8, 2022 - link
> CPUs need so much space and money devoted to efficient cooling but GPUs do not.This statement needs some qualification and some tweaking. First, I think what you are trying to say is CPUs require additional spending for proper cooling, whereas most GPUs already come with adequate cooling out of the box. That ignores the fact that the third-party cooling solutions that vendors add above reference designs do increase prices above relase base MSRP. Second, your comment about space is inaccurate: GPUs are very much needing so much space for their stock cooling. The most recent offender is the RTX 3090 Ti, and before that the RTX 3090 Founders Edition. Worse yet, the recent round of rumors for RTX 40 series/Lovelace state that the RTX 3090 Ti is a mere taste for the cooling requirements that lie ahead, namely 450-800W power draw is expected for the next generation NVIDIA consumer flagship. All in all, your comment has some merit but is a bit out there since it ignores these points about the GPU space.
matthatnz! - Thursday, April 28, 2022 - link
https://asia.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=12G...Ah that statement is not really true. If you want better than normal cooling on a GPU (like these sort of cpu coolers provide) then just get the product above. I have had a EVGA 980 ti Hybrid for 6 years and its still going strong. Nevers gets over 60 degrees. MSI are now doig similar products as well. Standardisation of cooling soltuions is never gonna happen as board partners use custom PCB's so yeah nah.
matthatnz! - Thursday, April 28, 2022 - link
https://www.msi.com/Graphics-Card/GeForce-RTX-3080...Here is the MSI product. I can see more and more of these types coming out due to the TDP coming up of the 4000 Series from Nvidia
Foeketijn - Tuesday, May 17, 2022 - link
Other than the complications when trying to watercool the GPU, a GPU can be 90C° for ever without an issue. A CPU can't. Most GPU's are cooled propperly from factory, most (intel) CPU's aren't.The reason I would still Watercool my GPU is, I don't want that heat dispersed in my case.
maxmarrie - Monday, April 18, 2022 - link
This GPU is not working properly on my system and just because of this issue I am unable to complete my work