Does the footnote that it's RDNA2 effectively mean it's embedded Van Gogh? Too early for 6000 series APU, and either a dGPU or distinct semi-custom SoC seem like overkill for car infotainment.
The offerings in the Tesla Arcade aren't half bad, it's useless, but I suppose if you are living out of that Tesla then it would be a welcome addition.
I hear the Gov't will start giving away Telsas with infotainment to the homeless... to get them off the streets and expand EVs in the market. I think they are also going to put money into free charging stations in large cities with the biggest homeless population. /s
On one side I'm glad to see x86 instead of arm trash. But on the other side these cars and all the new techno bs is too much, we lose control on our own goods which we paid for.
An iPhone doesn't let what user needs to put on their filesystem, Google's Android also crippled like that now after 10. With Windows 11 they axed the old Win32shell for the new UWP hybrid garbage, they are removing features which enables a PC, Personal. These cars and all have ECUs already and every single company out there from Toyota to Mercedes have the Connected Car technology which allows them to even remote start. They constantly collect data. With Tesla models they are even worse, they directly have LTE and 5G systems on top of the GPS satellite lock, unlimited data harvesting. Like dystopian sadly people are fine with this BS. I wonder where it will lead us to.
I think he means that most commercial ARM offering perform less than x86 (the chosen Ryzen to be specific). And I said commercial to omit Apple M1 SoC because they can't buy these.
But either way, I wouldn't consider ARM to be trash, Tesla are aiming for a specific target performance/TDP/Price, which the ARM offering lacked for them, so they found it with AMD which happened to be x86.
I know chipmakers like to advertise these auto industry installs, but is this market weirdly high margin or something? Because volume is minuscule - Nintendo will sell as many Switches this year as the entire US automotive industry will sell vehicles, and given the (lack of) complexity and responsiveness of most in-car infotainment I had assumed they were using tech at best equivalent to old ultra-lower power designs. But maybe they have industry-specific re-badges of older parts which are dramatically marked up based on some dubious “car validation” or something which makes the market more valuable than the volume suggests? Or is this just a marketing exercise?
Try a Tesla. Their infotainment system is like a normal tablet. Way way more responsive then pre-Tesladomination times. Now you see all major brands trying to improve their systems as well, because Tesla proved those systems don't have to be laggy and jerky at all. I also think that is a big reason for the car industries problems getting enough chips. They not only need more, they also need better.
Well, I guess the infotainment is /kinda/ automotive, but when you head 'automotive devices' you are usually thinking of the hardened and proved-reliable devices used in vehicle control and safety-critical systems (e.g. engine management, and more recently self-driving systems). If your infotainment system crashes, you lose your radio not your ABS.
That's not how Teslas work. The automotive computer handles core car functions, drivetrain and safety systems, and is separate from your infotainment computer that handles things that come off the screen. When you soft restart (hold both scroll wheels without holding brake), you only restart the infotainment computer.
Yes, it would be nice to have "proven", "hardened", "reliable" platforms that are 10 years behind the cutting edge, but that's also why traditional infotainment systems that everyone else used to use goddamn suck. It's the inevitable tradeoff (for now) when the market is always asking for more technology in a car.
And let's not fool ourselves. Vast majority of carmakers these days really aren't setting themselves apart when it comes to the reliability of their modern technology even when it isn't cutting-edge.
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twotwotwo - Monday, January 10, 2022 - link
Does the footnote that it's RDNA2 effectively mean it's embedded Van Gogh? Too early for 6000 series APU, and either a dGPU or distinct semi-custom SoC seem like overkill for car infotainment.Not that it matters all that much, just curious.
Lakados - Monday, January 10, 2022 - link
The offerings in the Tesla Arcade aren't half bad, it's useless, but I suppose if you are living out of that Tesla then it would be a welcome addition.Freeb!rd - Monday, January 10, 2022 - link
I hear the Gov't will start giving away Telsas with infotainment to the homeless... to get them off the streets and expand EVs in the market. I think they are also going to put money into free charging stations in large cities with the biggest homeless population. /siranterres - Thursday, January 27, 2022 - link
I also hear that your disconnection with reality is obvious.Silver5urfer - Monday, January 10, 2022 - link
On one side I'm glad to see x86 instead of arm trash. But on the other side these cars and all the new techno bs is too much, we lose control on our own goods which we paid for.An iPhone doesn't let what user needs to put on their filesystem, Google's Android also crippled like that now after 10. With Windows 11 they axed the old Win32shell for the new UWP hybrid garbage, they are removing features which enables a PC, Personal. These cars and all have ECUs already and every single company out there from Toyota to Mercedes have the Connected Car technology which allows them to even remote start. They constantly collect data. With Tesla models they are even worse, they directly have LTE and 5G systems on top of the GPS satellite lock, unlimited data harvesting. Like dystopian sadly people are fine with this BS. I wonder where it will lead us to.
ajp_anton - Monday, January 10, 2022 - link
Excuse me what? How is ARM more trash than x86?Xajel - Tuesday, January 11, 2022 - link
I think he means that most commercial ARM offering perform less than x86 (the chosen Ryzen to be specific). And I said commercial to omit Apple M1 SoC because they can't buy these.But either way, I wouldn't consider ARM to be trash, Tesla are aiming for a specific target performance/TDP/Price, which the ARM offering lacked for them, so they found it with AMD which happened to be x86.
Sunrise089 - Monday, January 10, 2022 - link
I know chipmakers like to advertise these auto industry installs, but is this market weirdly high margin or something? Because volume is minuscule - Nintendo will sell as many Switches this year as the entire US automotive industry will sell vehicles, and given the (lack of) complexity and responsiveness of most in-car infotainment I had assumed they were using tech at best equivalent to old ultra-lower power designs. But maybe they have industry-specific re-badges of older parts which are dramatically marked up based on some dubious “car validation” or something which makes the market more valuable than the volume suggests? Or is this just a marketing exercise?Foeketijn - Tuesday, January 11, 2022 - link
Try a Tesla. Their infotainment system is like a normal tablet. Way way more responsive then pre-Tesladomination times. Now you see all major brands trying to improve their systems as well, because Tesla proved those systems don't have to be laggy and jerky at all. I also think that is a big reason for the car industries problems getting enough chips. They not only need more, they also need better.edzieba - Tuesday, January 11, 2022 - link
Well, I guess the infotainment is /kinda/ automotive, but when you head 'automotive devices' you are usually thinking of the hardened and proved-reliable devices used in vehicle control and safety-critical systems (e.g. engine management, and more recently self-driving systems). If your infotainment system crashes, you lose your radio not your ABS.tabascosauz - Wednesday, January 26, 2022 - link
That's not how Teslas work. The automotive computer handles core car functions, drivetrain and safety systems, and is separate from your infotainment computer that handles things that come off the screen. When you soft restart (hold both scroll wheels without holding brake), you only restart the infotainment computer.Yes, it would be nice to have "proven", "hardened", "reliable" platforms that are 10 years behind the cutting edge, but that's also why traditional infotainment systems that everyone else used to use goddamn suck. It's the inevitable tradeoff (for now) when the market is always asking for more technology in a car.
And let's not fool ourselves. Vast majority of carmakers these days really aren't setting themselves apart when it comes to the reliability of their modern technology even when it isn't cutting-edge.
jordanclock - Tuesday, January 11, 2022 - link
What's with the use of bold on quotes instead of double-quotes?rani6656R - Wednesday, January 26, 2022 - link
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