So exactly 5 years after RX 580 4GB at 200$ MSRP we're getting the RX 6500 XT 4GB at 200$ MSRP at exactly the same performance. Way to go AMD and nVidia. As much as I loathe Intel I surely hope they shake up the GPU market good enough to put these ridiculous cards where they belong.
Some of the performance claims here suggest higher performance than the 580, likely where memory bandwidth isn't the limiting factor. Even if it doesn't really beat the 580 in performance, it will use a fraction of the power. I know there are people out there who will claim that power consumption is irrelevant, but I'd argue that this product isn't for them anyway.
Indeed, it seems 107W TBP is contrast with Ryan's assumption that it will be powered from the bus only, the same for the 128GB/s regarding bandwidth since the memory speed is 18Gbps, so wrong again and also the TFlop rating is wrong, it should be 5.76 based on turbo vs 5.2 of 5500XT (based on turbo clock also)
In our pre-briefing, AMD explicitly told us that only "some" 6500 XT cards would require external power, which doesn't jibe with a 107W TGP. I'm still tracking down an answer to this matter.
‘The relatively good news is that the 6500 XT should make a terrible mining card due to both its limited memory capacity and equally limited memory bandwidth, so there shouldn’t be a lot of demand from miners for the card.’
Gamers, be thankful that miners get the real gaming cards.
I look forward to comparisons of the Radeon RX 6500 XT to the Geforce GTX 3050. It looks like the 3050 should win on performance, but I want to see comparison of cost and power use as well.
Which is to say, they've been dying for an upgrade. 4 GB and the price is maybe a little bit of a disappointment but there's a pretty big market for these.
About that higher 6nm N24 density: 7nm Navi23 is 11Bn transistors/237mm2=~46mln per mm2. Then, 6nm Navi24 is 5.4Bn transistors/ ~141mm2=~38mln/mm2, or ~17% LOWER transistor density on N6.
By the way, I love the take of Tom's Hardware on this: "Our understanding is that TSMC N6 is essentially the same as N7, except with more EUV layers and some extra marketing."
To be honest this is good ! It will offer "a card" to gamers. As of today there is NO CARD that a gamer can buy . Except used or "resold new" ones.
This board will offer something to play on until ETH stops being so profitable .
On the orher hand I wish they would make an RX 6600 XT with 4 GB in order to make it unusuable for Mining . That would be a total blow to nVidia.
In the end if AMD gains market share in gamers not in miners it will be great base to build on . I wish they push a 6600XT chip hardware limited to 4GB , 10 USD cheaper and sold in "mandatory bulk " with the normal ones in order to PUSH card builders to sell to Gamers. I wonder if they relized that Gamers Markt is open just for them to grab.
I know the 6500XT isn't exciting spec-wise, especially compared to products released ~5 years ago, but what it could offer is an abundant option for low-end entry into PC gaming, something sorely needed right now. $200 sucks compared to what you got for $200 five years ago, but for what it gets you now, $200 is a relatively good deal, especially if you can actually get it. Which is what this is designed for: a small die, hopefully large quantities produced, and large availability. I'm dubious on the large availability, though. This is AMD afterall.
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Unashamed_unoriginal_username_x86 - Tuesday, January 4, 2022 - link
Very funny they don't compare to the (formerly) ≤$200 rx 580...benedict - Tuesday, January 4, 2022 - link
So exactly 5 years after RX 580 4GB at 200$ MSRP we're getting the RX 6500 XT 4GB at 200$ MSRP at exactly the same performance. Way to go AMD and nVidia. As much as I loathe Intel I surely hope they shake up the GPU market good enough to put these ridiculous cards where they belong.silverblue - Tuesday, January 4, 2022 - link
Some of the performance claims here suggest higher performance than the 580, likely where memory bandwidth isn't the limiting factor. Even if it doesn't really beat the 580 in performance, it will use a fraction of the power. I know there are people out there who will claim that power consumption is irrelevant, but I'd argue that this product isn't for them anyway.nandnandnand - Tuesday, January 4, 2022 - link
Milk and meat cost more too. Welcome to the new world.ET - Tuesday, January 4, 2022 - link
The table says that the 6500 XT takes 107W yet the writeup talks about 75W. Something is amiss.ModEl4 - Tuesday, January 4, 2022 - link
Indeed, it seems 107W TBP is contrast with Ryan's assumption that it will be powered from the bus only, the same for the 128GB/s regarding bandwidth since the memory speed is 18Gbps, so wrong again and also the TFlop rating is wrong, it should be 5.76 based on turbo vs 5.2 of 5500XT (based on turbo clock also)neblogai - Tuesday, January 4, 2022 - link
In MSI's press release, GDDR6 is 'up to 18Gbps', and TBP is specified as 80W.Ryan Smith - Tuesday, January 4, 2022 - link
In our pre-briefing, AMD explicitly told us that only "some" 6500 XT cards would require external power, which doesn't jibe with a 107W TGP. I'm still tracking down an answer to this matter.Oxford Guy - Tuesday, January 4, 2022 - link
‘The relatively good news is that the 6500 XT should make a terrible mining card due to both its limited memory capacity and equally limited memory bandwidth, so there shouldn’t be a lot of demand from miners for the card.’Gamers, be thankful that miners get the real gaming cards.
lmcd - Tuesday, January 4, 2022 - link
Please add details of its encode/decode abilities when possible. For this performance sector, its ability to augment an HTPC is important information.ET - Wednesday, January 5, 2022 - link
Pretty bad, according to AMD's site. No encoding at all, only H.264 and H.265 decoding, no AV1.Farfolomew - Thursday, January 6, 2022 - link
How is this possible? The new Ryzen 6000-series support HDMI 2.1, and AV1 decode support, and they're based on RDNA2?CrystalCowboy - Tuesday, January 4, 2022 - link
I look forward to comparisons of the Radeon RX 6500 XT to the Geforce GTX 3050. It looks like the 3050 should win on performance, but I want to see comparison of cost and power use as well.stardude82 - Tuesday, January 4, 2022 - link
I've got a whole slew of boxes running 2GB GTX 920s and RX 460s.stardude82 - Tuesday, January 4, 2022 - link
Which is to say, they've been dying for an upgrade. 4 GB and the price is maybe a little bit of a disappointment but there's a pretty big market for these.neblogai - Tuesday, January 4, 2022 - link
About that higher 6nm N24 density: 7nm Navi23 is 11Bn transistors/237mm2=~46mln per mm2. Then, 6nm Navi24 is 5.4Bn transistors/ ~141mm2=~38mln/mm2, or ~17% LOWER transistor density on N6.ET - Wednesday, January 5, 2022 - link
Larger chips tend to be denser, so that's not a totally fair comparison, but the comparison to the 5500 XT still shows lower density.ET - Wednesday, January 5, 2022 - link
By the way, I love the take of Tom's Hardware on this: "Our understanding is that TSMC N6 is essentially the same as N7, except with more EUV layers and some extra marketing."Rudde - Wednesday, January 5, 2022 - link
Disappointing that AMD did not include their 5500XT in the performance comparison. Are they afraid to show the (lack of) generational improvements?RaduR - Wednesday, January 5, 2022 - link
To be honest this is good ! It will offer "a card" to gamers. As of today there is NO CARD that a gamer can buy . Except used or "resold new" ones.This board will offer something to play on until ETH stops being so profitable .
On the orher hand I wish they would make an RX 6600 XT with 4 GB in order to make it unusuable for Mining . That would be a total blow to nVidia.
In the end if AMD gains market share in gamers not in miners it will be great base to build on . I wish they push a 6600XT chip hardware limited to 4GB , 10 USD cheaper and sold in "mandatory bulk " with the normal ones in order to PUSH card builders to sell to Gamers. I wonder if they relized that Gamers Markt is open just for them to grab.
Farfolomew - Thursday, January 6, 2022 - link
I know the 6500XT isn't exciting spec-wise, especially compared to products released ~5 years ago, but what it could offer is an abundant option for low-end entry into PC gaming, something sorely needed right now. $200 sucks compared to what you got for $200 five years ago, but for what it gets you now, $200 is a relatively good deal, especially if you can actually get it. Which is what this is designed for: a small die, hopefully large quantities produced, and large availability. I'm dubious on the large availability, though. This is AMD afterall.