TL;DR: China is playing silly buggers and deliberately delaying approval of the deal because of course they are. Just another way the CCP screws with the West.
I've got a lot of AMD and XLNX stock riding on this deal so I'm still hopeful it goes through, but it's been quite a drawn-out process.
As opposed to what other major economic power? The US, the EU, the UK, and Japan all make companies wait until their local, national issues are addressed before allowing these deals to go through. Who just blocked the Nvidia/ARM deal?
I think it's a mistake to compare the ARM acquisition to this one. There are more legitimate concerns about Nvidia using its ownership of ARM in anti-competitive ways than there are in this case. The fact that AMD expects the deal to clear without changes is further testament to that.
If the concern is legit, then AMD wouldn't say it expects the deal to clear without changes. Usually, when a legit concern is raised, the acquiring company has to agree to some concessions to mitigate them. So, if no changes are expected, then it looks like China is merely slow-walking this.
Damn "those I read in the news I shouldn't like" doing "things that bugger me personally and everyone knows that should be primo importance for everyone".
But really, you're used to places like US just whistling everyone through as long as all the right hands are greased with so much money it makes you question whether you actually know how to count. Then there are places like the EU where things are whistled through as long as the US waves the big stick. Look at the Facebook-Whatsapp deal where any person with one functioning synapse would have seen the eventual outcome. And yet here we are. Whether the delays now are caused by not enough grease, or actual regulatory job being performed matters little. Your little nationalistic whine sweats of uneducated hick.
Article: "10 tips on how to eat healthy food" Seppo in the comments: "China bad!"
Ironically, the people who are loudest at for ex criticizing North Korea for brainwashing it's population seem to have had their brains washed down the drain a long time ago.
You're hilarious. The fact remains that in any given comment section some clown will feel the need to whine about China in a way that is, at best, off-topic and hypocritical.
This is a joke right? The CCP isn't the one going around telling each country how to conduct its own business. The West, especially the US, has been installing and removing leaders and destablizing countries since after the first world war.
The article didn't say it, but if @r3loaded happens to *know* that China is the long-pole in getting this done, then it's not unreasonable to question their motives.
In tech news, Intel recently issued public apologies to China for cutting off suppliers who sourced from Xinjiang, blaming the US government for forcing its hand.
Yes, the US Congress recently passed a law requiring companies to prove that goods imported from China's Xinjiang region have not been produced with forced labor.
I'm truly disappointed in you, Spunjji. You're usually one of the most sane, reasonable, and informed posters on here. I guess you don't follow international news, much.
I look forward for the integration of FPGA onto the Zen x86 design and crush all ARM specialized BS blocks and other junk. This will be monumental for sure. Imagine having a block which allows end user to run the custom workload, it will be a huge technological change.
It's a lot easier to build a CPU with basically only one in-house customer, and Apple has been working on their cores longer than AMD has been doing Zen. Plus, x86 adds complexity.
Let's see how Zen 4 shapes up. It should probably leap-frog Golden Cove, especially now that Intel took AVX-512 off the table.
It's just like any other accelerator, really. Depending on how you want to use it, it can have either a generic device driver, or a custom device driver for a particular configuration.
However, if they go down the path of integrating it into their CPUs, I doubt most of the use it gets will be in Windows.
Meh, I'm not so sure it's really a game-changer. I think add-on FPGAs are probably good for optimizing simple things like packet-processing, but you need a non-trivial sized block to do any non-trivial amount of compute. GPUs and custom AI processors have better performance-density.
I see it as a way that AMD can broaden their product portfolio, while trying to cover off some of the threat from AI accelerators. I'm still not sure it'll be effective at the latter. For that, they'd be better off buying someone like Tenstorrent or Cerebras.
Look to how China slow-walked, then scuttled, the QCOM/NXPI deal, as a peek into the future of AMD/XLNX. And that was before the West destroyed Huawei, and China's chip aspirations.
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r3loaded - Friday, December 31, 2021 - link
TL;DR: China is playing silly buggers and deliberately delaying approval of the deal because of course they are. Just another way the CCP screws with the West.I've got a lot of AMD and XLNX stock riding on this deal so I'm still hopeful it goes through, but it's been quite a drawn-out process.
The Hardcard - Friday, December 31, 2021 - link
As opposed to what other major economic power? The US, the EU, the UK, and Japan all make companies wait until their local, national issues are addressed before allowing these deals to go through. Who just blocked the Nvidia/ARM deal?mode_13h - Sunday, January 2, 2022 - link
I think it's a mistake to compare the ARM acquisition to this one. There are more legitimate concerns about Nvidia using its ownership of ARM in anti-competitive ways than there are in this case. The fact that AMD expects the deal to clear without changes is further testament to that.TheinsanegamerN - Monday, January 3, 2022 - link
But with the example r3loaded provided, the west plays the exact smae game. China could easily have a national concern over xilinx.mode_13h - Tuesday, January 4, 2022 - link
If the concern is legit, then AMD wouldn't say it expects the deal to clear without changes. Usually, when a legit concern is raised, the acquiring company has to agree to some concessions to mitigate them. So, if no changes are expected, then it looks like China is merely slow-walking this.at_clucks - Friday, December 31, 2021 - link
"Just another way the CCP screws with the West"Damn "those I read in the news I shouldn't like" doing "things that bugger me personally and everyone knows that should be primo importance for everyone".
But really, you're used to places like US just whistling everyone through as long as all the right hands are greased with so much money it makes you question whether you actually know how to count. Then there are places like the EU where things are whistled through as long as the US waves the big stick. Look at the Facebook-Whatsapp deal where any person with one functioning synapse would have seen the eventual outcome. And yet here we are. Whether the delays now are caused by not enough grease, or actual regulatory job being performed matters little. Your little nationalistic whine sweats of uneducated hick.
TheinsanegamerN - Monday, January 3, 2022 - link
Why are you so mad? nothing he said is wrong, no different then someone pointing out the US screwed with the CCP through huweai.Also, name calling? Really, is this middle school? Couldnt you have come up with anything better.
Wereweeb - Friday, December 31, 2021 - link
Article: "10 tips on how to eat healthy food"Seppo in the comments: "China bad!"
Ironically, the people who are loudest at for ex criticizing North Korea for brainwashing it's population seem to have had their brains washed down the drain a long time ago.
I hope someday you manage to find it.
TheinsanegamerN - Monday, January 3, 2022 - link
$.50 hav ebeen despoted in your bank account for this comment, your social score has gone up by +1. Keep up the good work!Spunjji - Wednesday, January 5, 2022 - link
You're hilarious. The fact remains that in any given comment section some clown will feel the need to whine about China in a way that is, at best, off-topic and hypocritical.lemurbutton - Saturday, January 1, 2022 - link
"CCP screws with the West"This is a joke right? The CCP isn't the one going around telling each country how to conduct its own business. The West, especially the US, has been installing and removing leaders and destablizing countries since after the first world war.
mode_13h - Monday, January 3, 2022 - link
Nice whataboutism.The article didn't say it, but if @r3loaded happens to *know* that China is the long-pole in getting this done, then it's not unreasonable to question their motives.
lemurbutton - Monday, January 3, 2022 - link
And what about "The West" motives with China? The West are the good guys right?mode_13h - Tuesday, January 4, 2022 - link
The West is not the ones ethnically cleansing millions of indigenous people from Xing Jiang province.Spunjji - Wednesday, January 5, 2022 - link
Nope, we outsource most of our ethnic cleansing these days. We're also, y'know, sponsoring the state doing the ethnic cleansing in China.No clean hands here.
mode_13h - Thursday, January 6, 2022 - link
> we outsource most of our ethnic cleansing these days.That implies it was somehow a foregone conclusion that this would follow from globalization. It certainly isn't. China doesn't need to do this.
> No clean hands here.
If the US and other Western countries did nothing about it, then that would be a fair critique.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-59595952
In tech news, Intel recently issued public apologies to China for cutting off suppliers who sourced from Xinjiang, blaming the US government for forcing its hand.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-59769393
Yes, the US Congress recently passed a law requiring companies to prove that goods imported from China's Xinjiang region have not been produced with forced labor.
I'm truly disappointed in you, Spunjji. You're usually one of the most sane, reasonable, and informed posters on here. I guess you don't follow international news, much.
Samus - Monday, January 3, 2022 - link
The CCP learned from the best.Xajel - Monday, January 3, 2022 - link
And the US is playing silly buggers and forcing TSMC to not produce chips for Chinese companies.Don't play the "National Security" card, every country has the right to protect their national security including China.
I really hope this deal will be approved as quick as possible, unlike the NV/ARM deal.
Silver5urfer - Friday, December 31, 2021 - link
I look forward for the integration of FPGA onto the Zen x86 design and crush all ARM specialized BS blocks and other junk. This will be monumental for sure. Imagine having a block which allows end user to run the custom workload, it will be a huge technological change.lemurbutton - Sunday, January 2, 2022 - link
Lol. Zen CPU is so far behind Apple, it’s a joke. It’s even behind Intel at this point.mode_13h - Monday, January 3, 2022 - link
It's a lot easier to build a CPU with basically only one in-house customer, and Apple has been working on their cores longer than AMD has been doing Zen. Plus, x86 adds complexity.Let's see how Zen 4 shapes up. It should probably leap-frog Golden Cove, especially now that Intel took AVX-512 off the table.
TheinsanegamerN - Monday, January 3, 2022 - link
Show apple's M1 chip running a windows server application.Oh wait, it cant. OOPS.
Spunjji - Wednesday, January 5, 2022 - link
AMD, behind two substantially larger companies with functionally infinite R&D resources? NO WAYlemurbutton - Sunday, January 2, 2022 - link
Good luck getting Windows to support custom blocks on a Zen processor.mode_13h - Monday, January 3, 2022 - link
It's just like any other accelerator, really. Depending on how you want to use it, it can have either a generic device driver, or a custom device driver for a particular configuration.However, if they go down the path of integrating it into their CPUs, I doubt most of the use it gets will be in Windows.
mode_13h - Monday, January 3, 2022 - link
Meh, I'm not so sure it's really a game-changer. I think add-on FPGAs are probably good for optimizing simple things like packet-processing, but you need a non-trivial sized block to do any non-trivial amount of compute. GPUs and custom AI processors have better performance-density.I see it as a way that AMD can broaden their product portfolio, while trying to cover off some of the threat from AI accelerators. I'm still not sure it'll be effective at the latter. For that, they'd be better off buying someone like Tenstorrent or Cerebras.
mode_13h - Monday, January 3, 2022 - link
Oops, I meant to say "add-on FPGA blocks", as in something of the size you might integrate as a relatively small part of a compute or I/O die.JeffreyHF - Sunday, January 2, 2022 - link
Look to how China slow-walked, then scuttled, the QCOM/NXPI deal, as a peek into the future of AMD/XLNX. And that was before the West destroyed Huawei, and China's chip aspirations.