If they're not fitting their ACPC (always connected PC) systems with X2 / A710, we know exactly how "hard" Qualcomm is working in this space. Mediatek's launching A78 Kompanio laptop SoCs this year; smh.
And how expensive? Apple fit an M1 + the rest of the laptop all into a $999 MacBook Air.
The 8cx series never had X1 cores right? They could go right to X2 and get +20% YOY boost * 2 generations, 40% improvement overall (I admit this is extremely handwavey, but pretty sure 8cx Gen 2 never had X1 at all).
The naming, oh my lanta. Like a bird shit on a Scrabble board.
Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 Snapdragon 8cx Gen 3 Snapdragon G3x Gen 1
Which mindless Qualcomm executive demanded that insanity? Gotta be Cristiano, no? "The Snapdragon brand means confusion". It's their only branding now 😂...
Ampere: Q80-33 (80 cores @ 3.3 GHz) Apple: M1 (Mac SoC, gen1); M1 Pro (upgraded); M1 Max (flagship) Qualcomm: what if it was like that, but worse? How does Intel name CPUs?
Intel (and AMD) has consistent generations (12xxx) and product segments (i5, i7). Qualcomm had product segments (7 or 8) and now generation. The generations would just need to be consistent (e.g. everything would be at the same generation now). The G3 product segment is just out of place.
God this is just awful. There's a reason Apple announced the M1 with Macs, or shows off chips with phones. These are just a bunch of fluff slides here and no product. How can I get excited for Windows on ARM and the new Snapdragon when there is no new product?
If you are not going to show a product, you have to make the chip by itself exciting, and that won't happen with empty marketing. We need deep technical details. Only conclusion I have here is that their mobile gaming efforts are floundering, Windows on Snapdragon is dead in the water. I have a lot of problems with Apple but Qualcomm is not doing things differently.
They should have announced DIY Raspberry Pi like Snapdragon initiative for Windows on ARM.
And BTW I've been waiting 20 years for Skype to get have decent, and it still barely works and was cancelled. Pretty funny telling people to game in the cloud when Microsoft can't even get a video call in to this conference to work well.
8cx G3: "5nm" Samsung or TSMC? This thing doesn't seem to include modem on die either, which makes it possible that a very similar SoC could be rebranded the XR3...
They should have use cortex X2 with A710 in 6+4 cpu configuration to meet the Apple M1 chip and atleast on Samsung 4nm since tsmc 5nm is still better than Sam 4nm, then for laptops, they could even go 3.2ghz on X2. For power usage, they could go 20 watt considering Snapdragon 888 using 9 watt in smartphone
SD 8cx Gen 3 will not be competitive with Apple M1 (nor will anyone else) until they integrate DRAM into MCM/chiplet packaging. This is M1's biggest win - low latency memory system.
Finally, Switch competition, never thought they'd consider but rather too late. They also don't seem serious with VR/meta which is next big thing, I guess they're going to miss on that again.
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ikjadoon - Wednesday, December 1, 2021 - link
If they're not fitting their ACPC (always connected PC) systems with X2 / A710, we know exactly how "hard" Qualcomm is working in this space. Mediatek's launching A78 Kompanio laptop SoCs this year; smh.And how expensive? Apple fit an M1 + the rest of the laptop all into a $999 MacBook Air.
Alistair - Wednesday, December 1, 2021 - link
And the M1 is a doubled up chip, this is just a cellphone chip for Windows. The M1 Pro is a 4x or 8x chip, this is just a 1x chip...ksec - Wednesday, December 1, 2021 - link
Those ST performance, surely seems Nuvia like?BGQ-qbf-tqf-n6n - Wednesday, December 1, 2021 - link
The 8cx series never had X1 cores right? They could go right to X2 and get +20% YOY boost * 2 generations, 40% improvement overall (I admit this is extremely handwavey, but pretty sure 8cx Gen 2 never had X1 at all).SarahKerrigan - Wednesday, December 1, 2021 - link
8cx G1/G2 is A76. You don't need to go to Nuvia to get these gains.MetaCube - Friday, December 3, 2021 - link
No lolikjadoon - Wednesday, December 1, 2021 - link
The naming, oh my lanta. Like a bird shit on a Scrabble board.Snapdragon 8 Gen 1
Snapdragon 8cx Gen 3
Snapdragon G3x Gen 1
Which mindless Qualcomm executive demanded that insanity? Gotta be Cristiano, no? "The Snapdragon brand means confusion". It's their only branding now 😂...
Ampere: Q80-33 (80 cores @ 3.3 GHz)
Apple: M1 (Mac SoC, gen1); M1 Pro (upgraded); M1 Max (flagship)
Qualcomm: what if it was like that, but worse? How does Intel name CPUs?
ikjadoon - Wednesday, December 1, 2021 - link
And now we can add Snapdragon 7c+ Gen 3ffs
Prestissimo - Tuesday, December 7, 2021 - link
Ikr, this is worse than the USB naming convention ffs 🤦♂️Rudde - Thursday, December 9, 2021 - link
Intel (and AMD) has consistent generations (12xxx) and product segments (i5, i7). Qualcomm had product segments (7 or 8) and now generation. The generations would just need to be consistent (e.g. everything would be at the same generation now). The G3 product segment is just out of place.Alistair - Wednesday, December 1, 2021 - link
God this is just awful. There's a reason Apple announced the M1 with Macs, or shows off chips with phones. These are just a bunch of fluff slides here and no product. How can I get excited for Windows on ARM and the new Snapdragon when there is no new product?If you are not going to show a product, you have to make the chip by itself exciting, and that won't happen with empty marketing. We need deep technical details. Only conclusion I have here is that their mobile gaming efforts are floundering, Windows on Snapdragon is dead in the water. I have a lot of problems with Apple but Qualcomm is not doing things differently.
They should have announced DIY Raspberry Pi like Snapdragon initiative for Windows on ARM.
Alistair - Wednesday, December 1, 2021 - link
And BTW I've been waiting 20 years for Skype to get have decent, and it still barely works and was cancelled. Pretty funny telling people to game in the cloud when Microsoft can't even get a video call in to this conference to work well.brucethemoose - Thursday, December 2, 2021 - link
"This is a dev kit - so even if OLED, do they care about panel accuracy?"I'm seeing parallels with the Qualcomm Insider phone y'all reviewed.
Raqia - Thursday, December 2, 2021 - link
8cx G3: "5nm" Samsung or TSMC? This thing doesn't seem to include modem on die either, which makes it possible that a very similar SoC could be rebranded the XR3...Prestissimo - Tuesday, December 7, 2021 - link
Sadly they're using Samsung. Wait until 2025 for Mediatek's TSMC computer chip.iphonebestgamephone - Thursday, December 2, 2021 - link
lenovo qrd with 8cx gen 3 gb5 scores are up, 1010, 5335. Not quite 40% and 85% faster than gen 2 which has 797, 3101.Alistair - Friday, December 3, 2021 - link
What are we expecting for Alder Lake? 1750/10,000 versus Qualcomm's 1010/5335?Arbie - Thursday, December 2, 2021 - link
For some other insightful commentary on this, check out SemiAccurate.The Futuristic - Friday, December 3, 2021 - link
They should have use cortex X2 with A710 in 6+4 cpu configuration to meet the Apple M1 chip and atleast on Samsung 4nm since tsmc 5nm is still better than Sam 4nm, then for laptops, they could even go 3.2ghz on X2. For power usage, they could go 20 watt considering Snapdragon 888 using 9 watt in smartphonewanders78746 - Friday, December 3, 2021 - link
SD 8cx Gen 3 will not be competitive with Apple M1 (nor will anyone else) until they integrate DRAM into MCM/chiplet packaging. This is M1's biggest win - low latency memory system.zodiacfml - Thursday, December 16, 2021 - link
Finally, Switch competition, never thought they'd consider but rather too late. They also don't seem serious with VR/meta which is next big thing, I guess they're going to miss on that again.