Good to see another company jump on the "use a 45w ryzen chip without a dGPU" train, letting that iGPU stretch its legs a bit mroe. Shame it limits TDP so much, the mechrevio1 is a similar laptop that doesnt do that, rather allows up to 54 watt. But the huwaei has that gorgeous 16:10 display.....
We need mroe of these types of laptops, and less of the dell/HP/lenovo garbage weve been getting.
We would have had a Kirin M1-like CPU soon if Huawei wasn't targeted by the restrictions on using US tech. Somehow those restrictions don't apply when buying straight up from Qualcomm or AMD, only when competing with them.
So while I love to see mobile devices based on AMD CPUs, I would very much have loved even more to see a proper ARM SoC in there, giving M1 a run for its money. SOmething that's not tied to MacOS for example. And no, I don't consider ARM Surfaces to be that.
"I’m a fan of notebooks that promise good power and battery life at the expense of graphics."
"I have some software in my daily toolset that doesn’t work on either, so until then, I’m still focused on devices built with AMD or Intel."
Cannot agree more. I recently got a gaming notebook and while having a discrete GPU is nice, having a modern processor that is allowed to consume up to 30-40 watts and strech its legs makes a world of difference in terms of responsiveness in the applications I need to use on a day to day basis (which cannot run on Linux or Mac).
I wonder what difference Alder Lake will make with its 6 P + 8 E cores design to responsiveness and battery life.
and yet I've been trying to sell my top of the line CPU laptop (Ryzen 4800H) for $650 (it has a 1650 ti) and you'll find nobody wants it, I think gaming has taken over the vast majority of the market, CPU aficionados tend to have less computer knowledge, and think any Intel quad core is the same as an AMD 8 core
That's not really the problem, it's close enough to it when it comes to AMD's mobile lineup. But most people have no brand awareness when it comes to AMD, and Intel has a much more powerful brand that will attract regardless of actual performance standing, even price. And futhermore, these days a 5 year old decent laptop still does the job fine for regular day to day things. So the market for midrange new laptops (meaning not cheap low end, not superfast high end) might be smallish.
You can't get a proper PC GPU so you go for the next best with a mobile GPU where the whole device is still cheaper than the PC GPU. Or you get a cheap laptop that does browsing and the likes. The offer presented above is smack in the middle.
In my entire social circle, I am the only one who knows AMD makes excellent CPUs and GPUs as well. They all think Intel is the only one who makes CPUs (for laptops) and Nvidia is the only one that makes dGPUs. They find AMD to be "sketchy". It is upsetting but it is what it is.
AMD needs to succeed in consoles and workstation/server market because as much as I hate it, Windows + Intel + Nvidia is just too powerful a combo (in terms of market presence) in the mainstream consumer market.
Every notebook I've ever had with a dGPU has been useless for portability. It isn't that they are bulky or heavy anymore, that issue has been overcome, even though they still run hot.
But they get terrible battery life whether using the dGPU or not - the battery is physically tiny to make room for all the shit they cram into it.
My last two notebooks have been iGPU Intel's but now that we have companies considering additional headroom on the Ryzen GPU that would likely beat anything Intel has.
Spend more money on laptops with 90-100WHr Battery + non-4K Screen + Ryzen 5000H/HS CPUs, and you'll find that they are lightweight, portable, cool on idle, and have excellent 7-8 hour battery life.
AMD's partnership with TSMC puts it at the head of the pack in electrical efficiency. TSMC's manufacturing technology is superior to Intel's and Samsung's. Intel is still struggling with 10nm, and Nvidia screwed itself by ticking TSMC off (tried to pressure them on pricing), leaving it no option but to go with Samsung and it's poor yields, and that much, everyone knows. What might not be obvious is that AMD put together a dream team to launch Lisa Su's tenure as CEO. Papermaster would have known Su at IBM (she was head of research). Jim Keller and Raja Koduri are both former AMD. The three of them were at Apple, making the iPhone 4. They probably trained the team that produced the M1. Koduri is now at Intel, and Papermaster is still at AMD. Keller is doing his thing, blowing minds wherever he goes. AMD is not inferior, it is just much smaller. With TSMC's help, AMD might look like a behemoth, but actually, it's more like a boutique chip design shop. And Su is a genius who should have won a Nobel Prize for her pioneering work on silicon doping (made it possible to use copper instead of aluminum traces in semiconductors). Her PhD from MIT is in semiconductor manufacturing. Intel may be bigger, but AMD punches way above it's weight class. It's simply an amazing company, and we can all expect nothing but the best from them going forward. The turnaround of AMD is the best tech story of this era.
But it does compare to other laptops in the performance tables. So why not include MBA and it’s M1 processor. It would be very interesting to see how they stack up.
The price disparity means they're in different ballparks. I like my Mac and it's OS. But I'm not looking for a new one at the price their decent systems come in at.
That $850-$1000 M1 MacBook Air has a 13' screen, 8 GB RAM, 256 GB storage, has 1/8 of its GPU cores disabled for no particular reason and only supports 1 external monitor. Even if you leave aside the massive amount of Windows-only and x86-only software AND its complete and total lack of upgradability - it doesn't even support an eGPU despite having a Thunderbolt 4 port - there are tons of reasons not to consider the M1 MacBook Air a relevant comparison. Yes, it runs slightly faster but it is an entry level device. This isn't. You would need to compare it to the 13' MacBook Pro ... which costs a couple hundred more yet still has many of the same downsides (all the GPU cores work on it at least).
That isn't true at all. At worst the difference in latency is just over 1ns between DR & SR. When it comes to performance, both gaming and application see typically better performance using 4 ranks vs 2 ranks. https://www.tomshardware.com/features/ryzen-5000-m...
2 sticks of dual rank is probably the best for Ryzen, but I'm not sure if that applies to the iGPU versions. Gamers Nexus did a story on dual rank vs single rank on Ryzen.
Tomshardware did one as well for the iGPU. For gaming the 2 sticks of dual rank was never slower than 2 sticks single rank. Granted the differences were just 1 -1.5fps across the 7 games geometric mean. The geometric mean for CPU performance was slightly larger for 2 stick dual rank vs 2 sticks single rank.
It has been a few years (the review I read) but a desktop gaming test with a discrete GPU showed considerably better framerates with dual-rank RAM in some games.
Pretty much every other laptop with H-CPU can be configured with 32GB. Lenovo, HP, Asus all have that option. Huawei is the exception here, guess they don't know their target consumers usecase.
This is SO close... There are a couple of misses here:
1) Their "Performance" mode doesn't really appear to be hitting 45 watts. It's more like, we're allowing it to stay at a full 35 watts, as opposed to trying to optimize battery. If they had actually allowed it to push that full 45 watts that the chip is capable of, the benchmarks might have been better.
2) That RAM configuration. Either bite the cost bullet and go with LPDDR4X at 16GB, or go for 32GB of dual rank DRAM, and since it's being soldered on the board, optimize the CL and secondary latency settings. The iGPU in that chip is capable of notably more than what was shown in the benchmarks. Look at the Surfacebook numbers in some of the tests to see what the U chip can do, this is capable of more...
3) That Webcam. It's worth it to me, and most of the laptop road warriors that I talk to to have at least a modest bezel along the top of the monitor that could fit a webcam and allow you to open and close the laptop without getting fingerprints on the screen.
I also see the lack of RAM expandability as the key issue.
I have a Lenovo Slim 7 13ACN05 and with all eight cores at 15 Watts it's not really able to pull ahead of a quad core Tiger Lake i7-1165G7 NUC I operate at the same Wattage in 'normal' workloads (say compile jobs, Ansible scripts, juggling VMs etc.), because it needs to downclock too much to sustain the 15 Watt power envelope. It's also maxed out at 16GB for RAM, even a single soldered module seems impossible with an Ultrabook form factor.
64GB in two SO-DIMMs make the NUC quite reasonable machines for light server workloads and I'd sure pay a little extra to include a "KVM", a "UPS" etc. to make it a notebook like this.
At 35-65 Watts an octa Ryzen really pulls ahead of all things Intel quad or hexa in the same wattage rage, but without RAM to expand it's all for naught. With this chassis size replacable RAM should be no issue so it's really sad they go "Apple" there.
While the Tiger Lake Xe 96 EU and Vega 8 iGPUs at 50GB/s offer impressive improvements over plain old "HD", Iris Plus or Kaveri, machine learning and gaming just require completely different classes of hardware, so I'd be happy to sacrifice a bit of DRAM bandwidth and latency for capacity in such a machine.
The Lenovo puts a Windows Hello compatible Webcam in such a small frame on the 16:10 2560x1600 display, I really don't see the point of a snot-cam.
@Ian: You missed the LG Gram 16 in comparison, it weighs just 1.19 KG according to LG but i measured my Gram 16 at 1.15 KG. It has 350 nits screen, better keyboard and touchpad and also costs lesser than the 17 inch version. Honestly it is the best laptop in that segment. Hopefully you can review it and it may even work for your personal use.
Matebook seems really overpriced for what they're offering. I'll take LG Gram 17 any day over this as someone who doesn't need power and just want a big screen on my laptop for watching movies and consuming content.
If a laptop doesn't have a dGPU and weighs over 1.3 kg / 3 lbs, it's an immediate deal breaker. There is no need for a "Premium Ultrabook" to be that heavy.
Gram 16 has 80wh battery but cannot sustain high performance due to cooling limitations due to small heatsink and cooling paths. May as well compare a tablet to this machine.
I'm amazed companies keep pushing laptops with 512GB SDDs and pretend they are not crap. 1 TB of storage is the absolute minimum any new pc or laptop should have if you don't want to buy a second SSD in a few months.
Yup. People don't realise that many SSDs slow down quite a lot as they get full up. My 1TB NVMe SSD is one of these that fold empty TLC space into a SLC buffer. What that means with my particular SSD is that it only runs at max speed up to about 66% full then after that it slows down, as shown in benchmarks and daily feel if it goes over around 650GB full.
Practically, I treat it as giving me around 600GB of long-term working storage plus another 350GB of emergency / temporary storage. I knew this before buying it and I'm happy with it, though I would like my next SSD to be 2TB as I'm hovering round the 550GB long term storage mark at the moment.
Not everyone compiles videos from 8k120hz video all day. 512GB is not a hindrance to most. And you can just upgrade it yourself instead of paying a premium to get it pre installed.
My laptop running W11 has a 128GB SATA 3 SSD and it's blazing fast for everyday tasks. All my data's on my internal storage as well, synced up to Google Drive. We don't need higher capacity PCIe 4.0 SSDs driving up base laptop prices for the general public.
Stop speaking for everyone else, it's arrogant and presumptuous.
If all you aren't storing boat loads of videos, photos, music, or games then 512GB is plenty for OS/Application drive. My work laptop has a 256GB SSD and that isn't an issue as a lot isn't stored on the laptop.
The people who would buy a device like this are probably 50/50 web cloud and 50/50 local stuff. It doesn't have a dGPU so no AAA gaming and no content creation. People who are doing full stack programming or virtualization would likely opt for CPU with more cores. The days when people had massive libraries of purchased iTunes videos and TV shows are over ... that stuff is streamed now.
My C:\ drive is using 286GB, 200GB of which is games. Very few people use laptops for much more than internet/office tasks which doesn't even take 50GB if you nuke the hiberfil file. 512GB is overkill for most users.
'I'm amazed companies keep pushing laptops with 512GB SDDs and pretend they are not crap. 1 TB of storage is the absolute minimum any new pc or laptop should have if you don't want to buy a second SSD in a few months.'
Won't buy anything from Huawei again. They are basically the Chinese military and are heavily connected to top leadership in China. They abducted two innocent Canadian citizens for 3 years and mistreated them. My current Huawei phone will be the last product I ever buy from them, that's for sure. Don't support evil.
Let's not forget that without top military connections, Silicon Valley would not have happened.
I couldn't really stop buying hardware from a country run by a narcicistic would-be dictator either, nor are there many ways around a company from that country, which now seems quite more ready to "do evil".
Since I was born in the city where Konrad Zuse invented the programmable computer to help Adolf win The War, I just hope that sooner or later the other millions or billion citizen come to their senses without civil or even less civil war.
China today, we are talking about a company right now, a government, right now, 2021. You can buy products from other brands like Samsung, or Adata, Asus, or Acer.
Also you should wake up, suggesting China is comparable to any modern country is just ignorant. Taiwan, Korea, and Japan are the major modern Asian countries. Not China, especially politically.
You must be one of them racist and prejudice KKK in the US. I don't ever hear any Chinese slander you people but somehow you people keep spewing shit everyday. Chinese people in general are much more decent than you scumbag.
Yea in China some company is state sponsored but in your country, big corps sponsor the state. You know what does that mean, don't you?
kind of funny, the Chinese government is acting criminally, and you just scream racism if it is criticized, you know China is a country right? a government? not a race
Sure, what Canada and the US did in the 1800s is comparable to what China (and Cuba, Viet Nam, North Korea, Venezuela) are doing today. Makes a ton of sense.
Western Canada is the size of all of Europe. In fact just BC is larger than France and Germany combined. There were only a few thousand first nations people in all of BC (in the stone age, without the wheel) and they were all treated well and given their own reserves. Nobody fought wars or attacked them. You can't connect one aborigial exerience thousands of kilometres away with Canada. Canada has been free from war for 200 years, longer than any other country.
Canada, interestingly, gets a free pass for its deportations. For instance, a man risked his life greatly, coming through Greenland and the Canadian arctic — only to be promptly bundled back to his home country.
Is this happens in the US, it apparently involves heartlessness and other psychological failures.
@alistair Go to hell with your politics bs. Your country isn't at war with China. So the only reason you hate China so much is because you're a god damn racist. Huawei products are available in the US. You can support the real evil Google, Apple or FB. I don't care. The only thing I mind is your snake tongue. You're doing evil but saying others do. You gotta be a wolf in sheep clothing.
And if those two Canadians aren't real spies, why did the Canadian spy agency welcomed them back? Check the tweet for yourself.
You realize it was in response to Canada abducting an innocent Chinese woman first, right? And not even for your own racist agenda, you were willing racists by proxy for the US.
People who call others racist are usually the most racist, and that would you be you. Canada abducted no one. She was charged with an actual crime, unlike the Canadians. She was given trial, was living in her 5 million dollar mansion. Educate yourself.
I was hoping you would compare it to the M1 MacBooks (let's face it: Huawei is shamelessly copying everything made by Apple, these are MacBook clones in every way and kind of deserve to be compared to Macs), and then, later this year when you get M1 Pro and M1 Max, update the charts to include them.
How can you call this a MacBook clone? It weighs twice as much, runs a different OS, and just about every component is commodity and a generation behind.
Why shouldn't Huawei shamelessly copy Apple when Apple has been shamelessly copying Samsung for going on 10 years? Apple Watch? Samsung did it first. AirPods? Again, Samsung first. Apple invented the modern tablet, true, but the iPad Pro concept (oversized tablet with stylus and emphasis on detachable keyboard and multitasking in the OS) was done by the Samsung Galaxy Pro first. And again, Apple invented the iPhone, but every iPhone since 2011 has been a ripoff of the Samsung Galaxy line. Apple even copied the curved screen. Except that where Samsung actually had apps to take advantage of the curve, Apple merely copied the form without the function. And while Apple didn't copy Samsung with the Apple TV, Amazon and Google had their truly smart TV boxes first.
Amazing how you guys never acknowledge Apple's blatant copying. Especially since even the Apple blogs acknowledge that Apple's latest Macs reject Jony Ive's minimalist philosophy in favor of designs more similar to what Dell and HP are doing.
Which spyware? OS? Black box CPUs within CPUs? Hidden stuff in other chips? Things added by various entities surreptitiously after the product leaves the factory in a box?
Everything has spyware. Even the top-level internal use only stuff has it. It's just that those at the highest levels know about it (full documentation). Heads of state are surveilled by the agencies that ostensibly work for them, for instance.
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TheinsanegamerN - Wednesday, October 20, 2021 - link
Good to see another company jump on the "use a 45w ryzen chip without a dGPU" train, letting that iGPU stretch its legs a bit mroe. Shame it limits TDP so much, the mechrevio1 is a similar laptop that doesnt do that, rather allows up to 54 watt. But the huwaei has that gorgeous 16:10 display.....We need mroe of these types of laptops, and less of the dell/HP/lenovo garbage weve been getting.
at_clucks - Thursday, October 21, 2021 - link
We would have had a Kirin M1-like CPU soon if Huawei wasn't targeted by the restrictions on using US tech. Somehow those restrictions don't apply when buying straight up from Qualcomm or AMD, only when competing with them.So while I love to see mobile devices based on AMD CPUs, I would very much have loved even more to see a proper ARM SoC in there, giving M1 a run for its money. SOmething that's not tied to MacOS for example. And no, I don't consider ARM Surfaces to be that.
Arsenica - Thursday, October 21, 2021 - link
Nah, Huawei only licensed IP cores straight from ARM.At most they would have an Exynos 2000 equivalent (Cortex X1 and Mali G78 cores).
blanarahul - Wednesday, October 20, 2021 - link
"I’m a fan of notebooks that promise good power and battery life at the expense of graphics.""I have some software in my daily toolset that doesn’t work on either, so until then, I’m still focused on devices built with AMD or Intel."
Cannot agree more. I recently got a gaming notebook and while having a discrete GPU is nice, having a modern processor that is allowed to consume up to 30-40 watts and strech its legs makes a world of difference in terms of responsiveness in the applications I need to use on a day to day basis (which cannot run on Linux or Mac).
I wonder what difference Alder Lake will make with its 6 P + 8 E cores design to responsiveness and battery life.
Alistair - Wednesday, October 20, 2021 - link
and yet I've been trying to sell my top of the line CPU laptop (Ryzen 4800H) for $650 (it has a 1650 ti) and you'll find nobody wants it, I think gaming has taken over the vast majority of the market, CPU aficionados tend to have less computer knowledge, and think any Intel quad core is the same as an AMD 8 coreMccaula718 - Wednesday, October 20, 2021 - link
Your Zen 2 cpu is not top of the lineat_clucks - Thursday, October 21, 2021 - link
That's not really the problem, it's close enough to it when it comes to AMD's mobile lineup. But most people have no brand awareness when it comes to AMD, and Intel has a much more powerful brand that will attract regardless of actual performance standing, even price. And futhermore, these days a 5 year old decent laptop still does the job fine for regular day to day things. So the market for midrange new laptops (meaning not cheap low end, not superfast high end) might be smallish.You can't get a proper PC GPU so you go for the next best with a mobile GPU where the whole device is still cheaper than the PC GPU. Or you get a cheap laptop that does browsing and the likes. The offer presented above is smack in the middle.
Alistair - Thursday, October 21, 2021 - link
the 4800h was the best CPU you could buy a year ago, now it is second best, yes it isblanarahul - Thursday, October 21, 2021 - link
In my entire social circle, I am the only one who knows AMD makes excellent CPUs and GPUs as well. They all think Intel is the only one who makes CPUs (for laptops) and Nvidia is the only one that makes dGPUs. They find AMD to be "sketchy". It is upsetting but it is what it is.AMD needs to succeed in consoles and workstation/server market because as much as I hate it, Windows + Intel + Nvidia is just too powerful a combo (in terms of market presence) in the mainstream consumer market.
Alistair - Thursday, October 21, 2021 - link
exactly, that's the problem, someone actually thinks the 11400h is faster than the 4800h for example :/Samus - Wednesday, October 20, 2021 - link
Every notebook I've ever had with a dGPU has been useless for portability. It isn't that they are bulky or heavy anymore, that issue has been overcome, even though they still run hot.But they get terrible battery life whether using the dGPU or not - the battery is physically tiny to make room for all the shit they cram into it.
My last two notebooks have been iGPU Intel's but now that we have companies considering additional headroom on the Ryzen GPU that would likely beat anything Intel has.
Prestissimo - Thursday, October 21, 2021 - link
Spend more money on laptops with 90-100WHr Battery + non-4K Screen + Ryzen 5000H/HS CPUs, and you'll find that they are lightweight, portable, cool on idle, and have excellent 7-8 hour battery life.You get what you pay for.
EasyListening - Friday, October 22, 2021 - link
AMD's partnership with TSMC puts it at the head of the pack in electrical efficiency. TSMC's manufacturing technology is superior to Intel's and Samsung's. Intel is still struggling with 10nm, and Nvidia screwed itself by ticking TSMC off (tried to pressure them on pricing), leaving it no option but to go with Samsung and it's poor yields, and that much, everyone knows. What might not be obvious is that AMD put together a dream team to launch Lisa Su's tenure as CEO. Papermaster would have known Su at IBM (she was head of research). Jim Keller and Raja Koduri are both former AMD. The three of them were at Apple, making the iPhone 4. They probably trained the team that produced the M1. Koduri is now at Intel, and Papermaster is still at AMD. Keller is doing his thing, blowing minds wherever he goes. AMD is not inferior, it is just much smaller. With TSMC's help, AMD might look like a behemoth, but actually, it's more like a boutique chip design shop. And Su is a genius who should have won a Nobel Prize for her pioneering work on silicon doping (made it possible to use copper instead of aluminum traces in semiconductors). Her PhD from MIT is in semiconductor manufacturing. Intel may be bigger, but AMD punches way above it's weight class. It's simply an amazing company, and we can all expect nothing but the best from them going forward. The turnaround of AMD is the best tech story of this era.lemurbutton - Wednesday, October 20, 2021 - link
Another laptop review without industry-leading Macbooks. Come on Anandtech.The_Assimilator - Wednesday, October 20, 2021 - link
That's because it's a review, not a comparison, Captain Genius.hlovatt - Wednesday, October 20, 2021 - link
But it does compare to other laptops in the performance tables. So why not include MBA and it’s M1 processor. It would be very interesting to see how they stack up.dontlistentome - Wednesday, October 20, 2021 - link
It compares if you're running Chrome or a benchmark set. MS Excel models or a ton of other stuff? Not so much.philehidiot - Wednesday, October 20, 2021 - link
The price disparity means they're in different ballparks. I like my Mac and it's OS. But I'm not looking for a new one at the price their decent systems come in at.lemurbutton - Thursday, October 21, 2021 - link
M1 Macbook Air is $850 on sale frequently.fishingbait15 - Friday, October 22, 2021 - link
That $850-$1000 M1 MacBook Air has a 13' screen, 8 GB RAM, 256 GB storage, has 1/8 of its GPU cores disabled for no particular reason and only supports 1 external monitor. Even if you leave aside the massive amount of Windows-only and x86-only software AND its complete and total lack of upgradability - it doesn't even support an eGPU despite having a Thunderbolt 4 port - there are tons of reasons not to consider the M1 MacBook Air a relevant comparison. Yes, it runs slightly faster but it is an entry level device. This isn't. You would need to compare it to the 13' MacBook Pro ... which costs a couple hundred more yet still has many of the same downsides (all the GPU cores work on it at least).Oxford Guy - Monday, October 25, 2021 - link
But it has a screen that will shatter if you put a sticker over the webcam. Think of that advantage.gijames1225 - Wednesday, October 20, 2021 - link
If there's a way to bump this up to 32GB of RAM these could be nice XPS 15 competitors for people who just need the CPU performance.Samus - Wednesday, October 20, 2021 - link
I would consider staying 16GB (2x8GB) to keep with single rank memory. That reduces latency quite a bit which really matters with an iGPU.schujj07 - Thursday, October 21, 2021 - link
That isn't true at all. At worst the difference in latency is just over 1ns between DR & SR. When it comes to performance, both gaming and application see typically better performance using 4 ranks vs 2 ranks.https://www.tomshardware.com/features/ryzen-5000-m...
EasyListening - Friday, October 22, 2021 - link
2 sticks of dual rank is probably the best for Ryzen, but I'm not sure if that applies to the iGPU versions. Gamers Nexus did a story on dual rank vs single rank on Ryzen.schujj07 - Friday, October 22, 2021 - link
Tomshardware did one as well for the iGPU. For gaming the 2 sticks of dual rank was never slower than 2 sticks single rank. Granted the differences were just 1 -1.5fps across the 7 games geometric mean. The geometric mean for CPU performance was slightly larger for 2 stick dual rank vs 2 sticks single rank.Oxford Guy - Sunday, October 24, 2021 - link
It has been a few years (the review I read) but a desktop gaming test with a discrete GPU showed considerably better framerates with dual-rank RAM in some games.Prestissimo - Friday, October 22, 2021 - link
Pretty much every other laptop with H-CPU can be configured with 32GB. Lenovo, HP, Asus all have that option. Huawei is the exception here, guess they don't know their target consumers usecase.lightningz71 - Wednesday, October 20, 2021 - link
This is SO close... There are a couple of misses here:1) Their "Performance" mode doesn't really appear to be hitting 45 watts. It's more like, we're allowing it to stay at a full 35 watts, as opposed to trying to optimize battery. If they had actually allowed it to push that full 45 watts that the chip is capable of, the benchmarks might have been better.
2) That RAM configuration. Either bite the cost bullet and go with LPDDR4X at 16GB, or go for 32GB of dual rank DRAM, and since it's being soldered on the board, optimize the CL and secondary latency settings. The iGPU in that chip is capable of notably more than what was shown in the benchmarks. Look at the Surfacebook numbers in some of the tests to see what the U chip can do, this is capable of more...
3) That Webcam. It's worth it to me, and most of the laptop road warriors that I talk to to have at least a modest bezel along the top of the monitor that could fit a webcam and allow you to open and close the laptop without getting fingerprints on the screen.
TheinsanegamerN - Wednesday, October 20, 2021 - link
Agreed on the RAM. If youre gonna solder it give us 4733 MHz LPDDR4X.EasyListening - Friday, October 22, 2021 - link
You are asking for such a thing while supply chains are completely screwed.GreenReaper - Saturday, October 23, 2021 - link
If you don't ask, you never get.abufrejoval - Wednesday, October 20, 2021 - link
I also see the lack of RAM expandability as the key issue.I have a Lenovo Slim 7 13ACN05 and with all eight cores at 15 Watts it's not really able to pull ahead of a quad core Tiger Lake i7-1165G7 NUC I operate at the same Wattage in 'normal' workloads (say compile jobs, Ansible scripts, juggling VMs etc.), because it needs to downclock too much to sustain the 15 Watt power envelope. It's also maxed out at 16GB for RAM, even a single soldered module seems impossible with an Ultrabook form factor.
64GB in two SO-DIMMs make the NUC quite reasonable machines for light server workloads and I'd sure pay a little extra to include a "KVM", a "UPS" etc. to make it a notebook like this.
At 35-65 Watts an octa Ryzen really pulls ahead of all things Intel quad or hexa in the same wattage rage, but without RAM to expand it's all for naught. With this chassis size replacable RAM should be no issue so it's really sad they go "Apple" there.
While the Tiger Lake Xe 96 EU and Vega 8 iGPUs at 50GB/s offer impressive improvements over plain old "HD", Iris Plus or Kaveri, machine learning and gaming just require completely different classes of hardware, so I'd be happy to sacrifice a bit of DRAM bandwidth and latency for capacity in such a machine.
The Lenovo puts a Windows Hello compatible Webcam in such a small frame on the 16:10 2560x1600 display, I really don't see the point of a snot-cam.
dontlistentome - Wednesday, October 20, 2021 - link
Think yourself lucky you get the option of 16GB, in the UK they only sell the 8GB models.abufrejoval - Thursday, October 21, 2021 - link
I do feel lucky to have the device, because it's generally a well built marvel.But Lenovo is also lucky to have at least offered 16GB, because at 8GB they would have lost that sale for sure.
But I surely would have paid 200% RAM market price for 32 or 64GB.
anandcx - Wednesday, October 20, 2021 - link
@Ian: You missed the LG Gram 16 in comparison, it weighs just 1.19 KG according to LG but i measured my Gram 16 at 1.15 KG. It has 350 nits screen, better keyboard and touchpad and also costs lesser than the 17 inch version. Honestly it is the best laptop in that segment. Hopefully you can review it and it may even work for your personal use.Prestissimo - Wednesday, October 20, 2021 - link
Matebook seems really overpriced for what they're offering. I'll take LG Gram 17 any day over this as someone who doesn't need power and just want a big screen on my laptop for watching movies and consuming content.If a laptop doesn't have a dGPU and weighs over 1.3 kg / 3 lbs, it's an immediate deal breaker. There is no need for a "Premium Ultrabook" to be that heavy.
TheinsanegamerN - Wednesday, October 20, 2021 - link
Big battery is a plenty good reason.anandcx - Wednesday, October 20, 2021 - link
Gram 16 has 80 Wh battery and weighs 1.1 KG. Gram 17 is 1.3 KG.TheinsanegamerN - Wednesday, October 20, 2021 - link
Gram 17 only has a 72wh batteryhttps://www.lg.com/us/laptops/lg-17Z990-RAAS8U1-ul...
Gram 16 has 80wh battery but cannot sustain high performance due to cooling limitations due to small heatsink and cooling paths. May as well compare a tablet to this machine.
anandcx - Wednesday, October 20, 2021 - link
Gram 17 has 80wh battery, you have linked a two years old model you fool. Since 2020 all Gram 17's have 80wh battery, this is the link for 2021 model: https://www.lg.com/us/laptops/lg-17z90p-k.aas9u1-u...Prestissimo - Wednesday, October 20, 2021 - link
What? Battery is quite small for a 45W CPUbenedict - Wednesday, October 20, 2021 - link
I'm amazed companies keep pushing laptops with 512GB SDDs and pretend they are not crap. 1 TB of storage is the absolute minimum any new pc or laptop should have if you don't want to buy a second SSD in a few months.stephenbrooks - Wednesday, October 20, 2021 - link
I guess people can use them with external drives, but yes, if a laptop or PC has under 1TB of built-in storage it better be priced economically.Tomatotech - Thursday, October 21, 2021 - link
Yup. People don't realise that many SSDs slow down quite a lot as they get full up. My 1TB NVMe SSD is one of these that fold empty TLC space into a SLC buffer. What that means with my particular SSD is that it only runs at max speed up to about 66% full then after that it slows down, as shown in benchmarks and daily feel if it goes over around 650GB full.Practically, I treat it as giving me around 600GB of long-term working storage plus another 350GB of emergency / temporary storage. I knew this before buying it and I'm happy with it, though I would like my next SSD to be 2TB as I'm hovering round the 550GB long term storage mark at the moment.
TheinsanegamerN - Wednesday, October 20, 2021 - link
Not everyone compiles videos from 8k120hz video all day. 512GB is not a hindrance to most. And you can just upgrade it yourself instead of paying a premium to get it pre installed.Prestissimo - Thursday, October 21, 2021 - link
My laptop running W11 has a 128GB SATA 3 SSD and it's blazing fast for everyday tasks. All my data's on my internal storage as well, synced up to Google Drive. We don't need higher capacity PCIe 4.0 SSDs driving up base laptop prices for the general public.Stop speaking for everyone else, it's arrogant and presumptuous.
schujj07 - Thursday, October 21, 2021 - link
If all you aren't storing boat loads of videos, photos, music, or games then 512GB is plenty for OS/Application drive. My work laptop has a 256GB SSD and that isn't an issue as a lot isn't stored on the laptop.fishingbait15 - Friday, October 22, 2021 - link
The people who would buy a device like this are probably 50/50 web cloud and 50/50 local stuff. It doesn't have a dGPU so no AAA gaming and no content creation. People who are doing full stack programming or virtualization would likely opt for CPU with more cores. The days when people had massive libraries of purchased iTunes videos and TV shows are over ... that stuff is streamed now.DominionSeraph - Friday, October 22, 2021 - link
My C:\ drive is using 286GB, 200GB of which is games. Very few people use laptops for much more than internet/office tasks which doesn't even take 50GB if you nuke the hiberfil file. 512GB is overkill for most users.Oxford Guy - Sunday, October 24, 2021 - link
640K ought to be enough for anybody.Oxford Guy - Sunday, October 24, 2021 - link
'I'm amazed companies keep pushing laptops with 512GB SDDs and pretend they are not crap. 1 TB of storage is the absolute minimum any new pc or laptop should have if you don't want to buy a second SSD in a few months.'Agreed. Companies think they can be Apple.
Alistair - Wednesday, October 20, 2021 - link
Won't buy anything from Huawei again. They are basically the Chinese military and are heavily connected to top leadership in China. They abducted two innocent Canadian citizens for 3 years and mistreated them. My current Huawei phone will be the last product I ever buy from them, that's for sure. Don't support evil.abufrejoval - Wednesday, October 20, 2021 - link
Let's not forget that without top military connections, Silicon Valley would not have happened.I couldn't really stop buying hardware from a country run by a narcicistic would-be dictator either, nor are there many ways around a company from that country, which now seems quite more ready to "do evil".
Since I was born in the city where Konrad Zuse invented the programmable computer to help Adolf win The War, I just hope that sooner or later the other millions or billion citizen come to their senses without civil or even less civil war.
Alistair - Wednesday, October 20, 2021 - link
China today, we are talking about a company right now, a government, right now, 2021. You can buy products from other brands like Samsung, or Adata, Asus, or Acer.Oxford Guy - Sunday, October 24, 2021 - link
Glenn Greenwald, in his 'collapsing empire' piece at Salon, said the US is the world's largest dealer of arms.Last time I checked, arms are used to rob people of theirs.
Alistair - Wednesday, October 20, 2021 - link
Also you should wake up, suggesting China is comparable to any modern country is just ignorant. Taiwan, Korea, and Japan are the major modern Asian countries. Not China, especially politically.TheinsanegamerN - Wednesday, October 20, 2021 - link
The canadian government regularly turned a blind eye to the abuse/murder of natives by the RCMP. Hope you dont buy anything canadian either eh!Alistair - Wednesday, October 20, 2021 - link
That is just anti Canada nonsense.sonny73n - Thursday, October 21, 2021 - link
You must be one of them racist and prejudice KKK in the US. I don't ever hear any Chinese slander you people but somehow you people keep spewing shit everyday. Chinese people in general are much more decent than you scumbag.Yea in China some company is state sponsored but in your country, big corps sponsor the state. You know what does that mean, don't you?
Alistair - Monday, October 25, 2021 - link
kind of funny, the Chinese government is acting criminally, and you just scream racism if it is criticized, you know China is a country right? a government? not a raceshabby - Thursday, October 21, 2021 - link
Blame Canada!fishingbait15 - Friday, October 22, 2021 - link
Sure, what Canada and the US did in the 1800s is comparable to what China (and Cuba, Viet Nam, North Korea, Venezuela) are doing today. Makes a ton of sense.Alistair - Friday, October 22, 2021 - link
Western Canada is the size of all of Europe. In fact just BC is larger than France and Germany combined. There were only a few thousand first nations people in all of BC (in the stone age, without the wheel) and they were all treated well and given their own reserves. Nobody fought wars or attacked them. You can't connect one aborigial exerience thousands of kilometres away with Canada. Canada has been free from war for 200 years, longer than any other country.Oxford Guy - Sunday, October 24, 2021 - link
Canada, interestingly, gets a free pass for its deportations. For instance, a man risked his life greatly, coming through Greenland and the Canadian arctic — only to be promptly bundled back to his home country.Is this happens in the US, it apparently involves heartlessness and other psychological failures.
sonny73n - Thursday, October 21, 2021 - link
@alistairGo to hell with your politics bs. Your country isn't at war with China. So the only reason you hate China so much is because you're a god damn racist. Huawei products are available in the US. You can support the real evil Google, Apple or FB. I don't care. The only thing I mind is your snake tongue. You're doing evil but saying others do. You gotta be a wolf in sheep clothing.
And if those two Canadians aren't real spies, why did the Canadian spy agency welcomed them back? Check the tweet for yourself.
sonny73n - Thursday, October 21, 2021 - link
***Huawei products are NOT even available in the USAlistair - Thursday, October 21, 2021 - link
You are Exhibit A for why no one should buy Huawei products. Corrupt company. Got the Chinese government to abduct innocent people.DominionSeraph - Friday, October 22, 2021 - link
You realize it was in response to Canada abducting an innocent Chinese woman first, right? And not even for your own racist agenda, you were willing racists by proxy for the US.Alistair - Friday, October 22, 2021 - link
People who call others racist are usually the most racist, and that would you be you. Canada abducted no one. She was charged with an actual crime, unlike the Canadians. She was given trial, was living in her 5 million dollar mansion. Educate yourself.Oxford Guy - Sunday, October 24, 2021 - link
'You realize it was in response to Canada abducting an innocent Chinese woman first, right?'You don't realize the moral corruption of supporting such behavior, eh?
'Well, gee, Wally... since you ran over this grandma I'll just have to run over that one over there!'
Alistair - Monday, October 25, 2021 - link
no one was abducted in Canada, if you can't understand that, no point in talkingOxford Guy - Monday, October 25, 2021 - link
Subject change noted.Oxford Guy - Monday, October 25, 2021 - link
Nevermind. Forum software doesn't have enough levels.Alistair - Thursday, October 21, 2021 - link
I don't hate China, lived in China, love China. Hate the Chinese government and how they attacked Canadians.vladx - Saturday, October 23, 2021 - link
And the "Biggest Liar" award goes to...Alistair - Monday, October 25, 2021 - link
I speak Chinese you idiot, went to university therezodiacfml - Wednesday, October 20, 2021 - link
finally good competition to M1 Air, its time for discounts or upgrades to the Air soon.antoniogermano - Thursday, October 21, 2021 - link
I was hoping you would compare it to the M1 MacBooks (let's face it: Huawei is shamelessly copying everything made by Apple, these are MacBook clones in every way and kind of deserve to be compared to Macs), and then, later this year when you get M1 Pro and M1 Max, update the charts to include them.Wrs - Thursday, October 21, 2021 - link
How can you call this a MacBook clone? It weighs twice as much, runs a different OS, and just about every component is commodity and a generation behind.fishingbait15 - Friday, October 22, 2021 - link
Why shouldn't Huawei shamelessly copy Apple when Apple has been shamelessly copying Samsung for going on 10 years? Apple Watch? Samsung did it first. AirPods? Again, Samsung first. Apple invented the modern tablet, true, but the iPad Pro concept (oversized tablet with stylus and emphasis on detachable keyboard and multitasking in the OS) was done by the Samsung Galaxy Pro first. And again, Apple invented the iPhone, but every iPhone since 2011 has been a ripoff of the Samsung Galaxy line. Apple even copied the curved screen. Except that where Samsung actually had apps to take advantage of the curve, Apple merely copied the form without the function. And while Apple didn't copy Samsung with the Apple TV, Amazon and Google had their truly smart TV boxes first.Amazing how you guys never acknowledge Apple's blatant copying. Especially since even the Apple blogs acknowledge that Apple's latest Macs reject Jony Ive's minimalist philosophy in favor of designs more similar to what Dell and HP are doing.
vladx - Saturday, October 23, 2021 - link
Brainwashing tends to do that you.Oxford Guy - Sunday, October 24, 2021 - link
'Apple invented the iPhone, but'jcc5169 - Thursday, October 21, 2021 - link
Did you check them for spyware?Oxford Guy - Sunday, October 24, 2021 - link
Which spyware? OS? Black box CPUs within CPUs? Hidden stuff in other chips? Things added by various entities surreptitiously after the product leaves the factory in a box?Everything has spyware. Even the top-level internal use only stuff has it. It's just that those at the highest levels know about it (full documentation). Heads of state are surveilled by the agencies that ostensibly work for them, for instance.
Ruimanalmeida - Friday, October 22, 2021 - link
Those reading these comments could be interested on this review: https://www.notebookcheck.com/Huawei-MateBook-16-A...High reflective display...problematic on the move.
crunch418 - Monday, April 25, 2022 - link
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