The damn thing is I tested the screen on these new iPhones. Now, I cannot unsee the choppiness of 60fps screens. I was just going to order a new monitor for my office! It is a big deal this screen for my eyes.
Fascinating how big a deal it is for some people. I don't see the difference of my iPad pro vs my 60hz desktop monitor. Maybe if I had a 120 and 60 hz monitor next to each other- maybe. I can clearly see 30-60, though...
Most of these people are highly emotional. I see the difference, but I simply don't care. I don't obsess over what refresh rate my monitor is lmao. I have 120hz and 60hz screens side by side, sure 120hz is bit smoother but most greatly exaggerate the difference.
why not just disabling 120 Hz on the iphone? it's much smarter: you will get more battery life on all of your devices and you won't have to buy the new monitor. Except for cybersports, more Hz don't give any advantage, enough said
I've had the same experience! I got the 13 Pro and now my other screens feel so choppy. One thing that's super nice with the higher refresh rate is that I can actually read text as it's scrolling (up to a certain speed at least). On all of my other monitors, even slightly-moving text becomes a blurry mess. It's so much easier to track words in articles as I scroll through them.
I think the OS is fine/great. In fact, it's more efficient and better than Android.
What people despise about iOS is much less about the code, and more so about it's arbitrary restrictions like AppStore, API limitations, etc etc. Those have less to do with the quality, technology, and merits of the Operating System, and more to do with the Policies that the organisation imposes on its users.
IMHO it has pros and cons. I don't like how most settings are not in apps - I am always looking for them. But it generally is a painless os, then again android works fine too.
Those Pro Max results are amazing. I know it's a pretty big phone, but it's a bit smaller than the S21 Ultra and it's ahead by almost five hours in the max refresh test.
I still prefer my 5000mah, battery in mid-tier phone over all those flagships. Quick charge, big battery, big storage is the best thing in a phone. I just don't get why "flagships" that should be the best in their class, have weak batteries. Planned obsolescence, I guess.
It's more likely space constraints that dictate battery sizes, the hardware itself not being as efficient, and the software team behind the phone unable to or not making the necessary tweaks to eke out as much as efficiency as possible.
A weak battery can be mitigated by a battery bank. Plus how long the battery lasts over time depends on how one uses the phone. My Galaxy S10+ is still going pretty strong despite being my daily since April 2019.
Space constraints are not the main problem, as most mid-tier phones are not bigger, nor heavier, than flagships. 8 series SOC is not bigger than 6'th series. It's often same camera, same storage. Nothing says it cannot be as big as mid-tier ones. (at least more 500mah for all of them) I get it you can get cheap replacements, but each of "extras" that you need to do your daily things is a problem, as you may forget, it can break, cause wear on ports and cycling the battery make it die sooner. S10+ is a great phone, like most of them, its just batteries which are cheap and fastest deteriorating part inside, are weakest points of a device made NOT TO BE REPAIRED. I ride my phone daily since 2018, leaving like 20-40% each day. I am glad that I found it, and I am pissed there is no replacement that would be worthy.
Space constraint is huge, though. Ways to increase battery capacity include thinning out the shell, thinning the separator, using a slightly higher/looser voltage controller. That last one aside from reducing cycle longevity also causes bloating in cells left on the charger too much. Outside the battery, it’s not just the SoC and camera taking space, but dozens of other supporting chips, speakers, sensors & radio modules, and water/dust sealing. A cheaper phone may get by with fewer or cheaper components resulting in plenty more room for battery material.
A battery bank is like taking a can of gas and strapping it to your roof. Why not just plug it in all the time if youre going to do that? Spare chargers are a lot cheaper. Also wears out the battery faster charging it constantly.
If they would GET. RID. OF. THE. CAMERA. BUMP. they'd have plenty of room to put a bigger cell in. But that would make sense.
(1) Gasoline is way more energy dense than batteries, (2) A spare charger contains no energy, (3) Thin is beautiful. Thin sells better and that’s why the thick stuff isn’t updated or optimized as much, but it’s still available if one looks around.
Idk what’s with your gas analogy… a rooftop gas can doesn’t degrade the main gas tank or engine. And you don’t have to plug the phone into a battery bank all the time. It’s just a mobile power plug/charger in one.
1) has nothing to do with the analogy, way to miss the point 2) so? Unless you ahve the pockets of a gaint you're not using a battery bank while walkign around either, you're using it on a desk, where one can plug a charger in. 3) if that were true the thick moto play series wouldnt have become their best selling devices.
The anology is simple, if someone has a range issue, telling them to strap more fuel from an external source onto their device is a stupid answer. Wether it be phones or cars it's not a proper fix.
The analogy never made sense to me, thus my comment. There are scenarios when one wants a lot of range, like hiking/camping, where cans of gas up top may be more practical than buying a separate extended range car, and scenarios where one needn't much range, like being near town. Holding a bulky device full time just isn't that comfortable for some people.
There are indeed some thick phones out there, and if they work for you what's the complaint? The IPhones reviewed in this article seem to have great battery life, all except for the tiniest option.
I don't know that you could find any data that proves either is more important than the other. People seem to prefer water-resistant to not-water-resistant, and apparently prefer thin phones made with "premium" materials to replaceable batteries, but it's impossible to separate the sales trends from the manufacturing / reviewing trends.
It is, however, almost certainly more important to Apple. They like having control over their repairs, and speaking from my experience working as a store tech, their target audience in Western countries are (by majority, certainly not exclusively) happy with that arrangement.
You're ignoring - or are too young to remember - all of the problems the Galaxy S5 had with waterproofness when people actually replaced their batteries.
That is not, in fact, planned obsolescence. Planned obsolescence would be choosing to use a battery that degrades when options that don't degrade were available, and/or choosing to make it impossible to replace the battery.
Cost $99 to replace the battery in iPhone X and later at Apple store by the idiots who have much less knowledge about electronic, especially in computer field than I do. I only charge half of what Apple charge to replace the battery. All my battery replacements are made by Desay, the same company that make iPhone batteries, only higher capacity with one year warranty. It seems to me you're not only agree with Apple but praising them for charging people outrageous price just to replace a component that only costs about $15.
Who gives a ratass about iPhone system updates besides the sheeple. I have an iPhone 6S, the last item I ever bought from Apple. Screw the iOS 15 and 14 which I accidentally updated to. I'm still sending Apple emails occasionally cussing them not to let me downgrade back to iOS 9 which it originally came with.
Apple is not just planned obsolescence, it has become obsolete long ago. The same fat ass notch design every year for the last 4 years says it all.
Your prices are off, it’s $69/49 for younger/older than X. Granted, that’s more than the cost of the battery, but they’ll also replace your phone if they screw up.
Because they're scam products created to take money ($1000+) from the majority of people, for just 24 low monthly payments.
I hate to tell you guys this, but Samsung, Apple and Google aren't your friends. They're not here to make good phones at cheap prices. Android is mostly the same as when I tried it in 2010, by now I would have expected it to be doing some Star-trek level stuff but no, just your basic single-application, and extremely basic, laggy, disorganized, limited UI and software. Android is a bad product, it's crap designed to be sold to dummy consumers.
Xiaomi Poco X3 Pro is $300ish and it's the one to get right now. Fast as hell. Xiaomi sells their stuff basically at cost. In the past it was the Redmi K20, the OnePlus One and I believe the Nexus 4 and 5 were both dirt cheap (199-299).
If you pay for a $1200 phone, it's your own damn fault. Nothing in the phone is worth $1200, people just want to buy it because they like it. Ok, no problem. For the rest of us at least there are cheap options like the Xiaomi.
Not a fan of the Chinese government spying crap, but at least it's possible to wipe it and install LineageOS or something.
Java and Kotlin are programming languages, not implementations. Performance is largely dictated by the implementation and may be impacted, language-wise, only by how much the language is able to let the programmer give the compiler / interpeter more information.
Java and Kotlin are statically- and strongly-typed languages and these usually allow the compiler to perform certain optimizations that wouldn't be feasible on interpreted languages. With these kinds of languages, performance is mostly down to your compiler and Java Virtual Machine (JVM).
Android Runtime (ART) supports ahead-of-time (AOT) compilation, like traditional compilers do, and this improves performance over doing Just-in-Time (JIT) compilation like traditional JVMs do. ART compiles the entire application into native machine code upon installation.
You're 100% right. I was aware ART compiles Dalvik to machine code ahead of time, or on the first run, and stashes it; but my strong dislike of Java on the desktop lured me into that trap of thinking. That if it's slow in one place (JIT/JVM), it must be slow everywhere. Truly, I can't shake this feeling that all these languages are slow, even when they're compiled to native code in advance.
Looks like apple estimate that 13 Pro has shorter battery life than 13 is quite reasonable and provided numbers are in line with anandtech tests.
Looks like lower end models will get better batteries down the line too, with sole exception being the 11 Pro vs 11.
Also there is supposed lower reflectivity in iPhone 13 models thanks to re-introduction of integrated touch layer. Can you somehow elaborate ? It appears to me that way, at least under store lights.
Also I am no professional, but if I remember correctly, 10-bit panels are a thing since iPhone X and auto brightness boost is a thing since 2016 iPad Pro and iPhone 7. Is that true ? I do not think that iPhone 12/13 should are 8 bit panels.
Also I am very interested In PWM frequency of the Pro phones ? Did it went up to 480 Hz ? Is it easier/less noticeable on the eye now ?
For the upcoming review I'd kindly ask Mr. Frumusanu to look into reports of display dimming in broad daylight and throttling in games such as Genshin Impact. Even if it has the most powerful mobile soc, the ip 13, just like the 12 before it, cannot seem to sustain these numbers.
But cannot become a pocket computer at all. The iOS is like a jail. Must comply with Apple ID and must give them everything and in return they keep all your data and face math data etc. Not even you can get a simple Analog jack or an expandable storage. You cannot even use the filesystem to copy anything you like, nor even customize the home screen remove their apps or set default applications, not even emulators for such a strong SoC.
Seeing Apple's success every single Android OEM followed same garbage, no more chargers either. $1000 phones no chargers no earphones no nothing. Just pay for $150-300 wireless earphones which die after 1-2years.
Bonus points for Apple, Face ID cannot be replaced by third party because unknown reasons. At this point smartphones are just social media devices, with some fancy camera features and more useful for basic browsing and those corporate mandated 2FA systems.
Just a few corrections to incorrect/out of date statements: Face ID data is encrypted, never leaves the phone, and is stored in the Secure Enclave where it is inaccessible even to someone who possesses the phone. Because of the secure hardware interlock between the faceID camera and the Secure Enclave, you must get the screen replaced by an authorized repair shop to ensure that the data is not being intercepted by a hacked/modified phone. You can remove the default apps, and arrange the Home Screen how you like.
Uh huh. They couldnt just, you know, wipe the data if the hardware changed? How convenient they made this "secure" system require special apple tech that they pinky swear is needed.
I think they already explained that part: "to ensure that the data is not being intercepted by a hacked/modified phone" Wiping the existing data wouldn't prevent this part of the problem.
Don't get me wrong, I think Apple's approach to repairs is - for the most part - total bullshit, but this one at least makes some sort of sense.
There's a critical reason FaceID can't be swapped by a third party. If it could be replaced with any other IR camera, just imagine what a criminal could do - intercept and emulate the camera feed like they would do with a poorly implemented password prompt. That's also how Snowden knows a phone can theoretically be tracked while shut down. It'd just be a modified OS that fakes the shutdown.
Apple's Face ID is actually secure, enough so I can use it for my banking. I got a Pogo X3 NFC last month and when I set up face unlock it literally said this isn't secure and can be easily bypassed by someone holding up a picture of you.
Google is forcing 2-factor, so it can get its grubby mitts on your phone. These companies are all becoming what Apple portrayed in its famous 1984 commercial. (They aren’t the girl.)
Even then I don’t understand the 13mini result. It gets 64% of the web browsing battery life of the 13 with a battery 75% the size. Either the 13 mini is averaging more power draw despite the smaller screen or the effective battery energy is well short of what the rating suggests.
It is odd, especially when others have shown the iPhone13 mini outlasting the regular iPhone 12, while here it’s far behind. Of course it wasn’t the same testing, but it does reveal some dissonance.
Doesn’t stop being odd considering the hardware is basically the same except for the battery and screen. So either the screen in the mini is less efficient or for some reason the wifi in the mini is less efficient. Either way there is some dissonance between different tests.
finally, Apple gave in and increased the battery capacities. all these years, it is hilarious and sad to see people scrambling to charge their expensive phones (recent Android flagships though nearly cost as much, making the iphones a better buy).
That's true but it's also important for people to know the truth. Only then is there any hope of improvement.
It is certainly possible to create spyware-free hardware, networks, and operating systems. All that is required is enough passion from ordinary people to force the hand of the oligarchs.
Imagine still buying a iPhone when apple has come out and said that they will look at your personal photos for problematic images. "WILL SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?" ...right.
Scientific American said gay kids will he outed via Apple’s spyware, leading to an even more disproportionate representation in the homeless and foster population.
Don’t expect people like Tim Cook to care. Expect the tu quoque fallacy from posters, too.
The Foxconn workers working on Apple products have seen a lot of improvements over the years because that's all everybody talks about - exposure helps. It's still not perfect but I'm willing to venture a guess that the many other Foxconn workers in their many factories working on for example SONY, Microsoft and Dell products (and many many others) have not seen as many improvements to their conditions. I'd like more focus on more big brands to stop them flying under the radar...
Looking at the browsing battery life, is it possible that the iPhone 13 Pro Max is still in VRR mode when set to 60Hz unlike the Galaxy S21? In the settings Limit Frame Rate says: sets the "maximum" frame rate to 60fps so it suggests that it's not constant. Here the 13PM run almost 6 hours more than tha S21U while in 120Hz VRR and difference is only 4+ hours.
The discrepancy is on Samsung’s side. Their S888 version of S21 Ultra gains 2.5 hrs going to 60hz while their Exynos 2100 version gets less than 1 hr. The iPhone Pros get 2-3 hours, scaling as expected with base battery life.
iPhone 13 standard is great for the money. Great battery, good enough cameras and good screen. Many are obsessed with 120hz and the newer cameras, but I don't care about those features really. Doubt most others do either... My screen on time is like 1 to 2 hours a day lmao.
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Always impressive how well iPhones perform with their smaller batteries, I think ever since the 11 series with A13 Bionic Apple seem to have been on a roll, look at that 11 Pro Max, 12 Pro and 13 Pro/Pro Max all giving hell to the 5000mAh droids. Good to see the hard work Apple puts its in to ensure these smartphones are as efficient yet powerful as possible. :)
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mmrezaie - Monday, October 11, 2021 - link
The damn thing is I tested the screen on these new iPhones. Now, I cannot unsee the choppiness of 60fps screens. I was just going to order a new monitor for my office! It is a big deal this screen for my eyes.jospoortvliet - Wednesday, October 13, 2021 - link
Fascinating how big a deal it is for some people. I don't see the difference of my iPad pro vs my 60hz desktop monitor. Maybe if I had a 120 and 60 hz monitor next to each other- maybe. I can clearly see 30-60, though...Dex4Sure - Saturday, October 16, 2021 - link
Most of these people are highly emotional. I see the difference, but I simply don't care. I don't obsess over what refresh rate my monitor is lmao. I have 120hz and 60hz screens side by side, sure 120hz is bit smoother but most greatly exaggerate the difference.arrowthefirst - Saturday, October 16, 2021 - link
why not just disabling 120 Hz on the iphone? it's much smarter: you will get more battery life on all of your devices and you won't have to buy the new monitor.Except for cybersports, more Hz don't give any advantage, enough said
FickleBJT - Tuesday, November 9, 2021 - link
I've had the same experience! I got the 13 Pro and now my other screens feel so choppy. One thing that's super nice with the higher refresh rate is that I can actually read text as it's scrolling (up to a certain speed at least). On all of my other monitors, even slightly-moving text becomes a blurry mess. It's so much easier to track words in articles as I scroll through them.shabby - Monday, October 11, 2021 - link
Top notch hardware... the os on the other hand just isn't my type.Kangal - Monday, October 11, 2021 - link
I think the OS is fine/great. In fact, it's more efficient and better than Android.What people despise about iOS is much less about the code, and more so about it's arbitrary restrictions like AppStore, API limitations, etc etc. Those have less to do with the quality, technology, and merits of the Operating System, and more to do with the Policies that the organisation imposes on its users.
shabby - Monday, October 11, 2021 - link
That's exactly what I don't like about it.TheinsanegamerN - Tuesday, October 12, 2021 - link
More efficient? Yes. Better? That's highly subjective.I for one absolutely hate how iOS does their drop down menus and their notifications. And as you mentioned all the lockdowns are a part of iOS.
jospoortvliet - Wednesday, October 13, 2021 - link
IMHO it has pros and cons. I don't like how most settings are not in apps - I am always looking for them. But it generally is a painless os, then again android works fine too.cfenton - Monday, October 11, 2021 - link
Those Pro Max results are amazing. I know it's a pretty big phone, but it's a bit smaller than the S21 Ultra and it's ahead by almost five hours in the max refresh test.5j3rul3 - Monday, October 11, 2021 - link
stunning efficiencydeil - Monday, October 11, 2021 - link
I still prefer my 5000mah, battery in mid-tier phone over all those flagships. Quick charge, big battery, big storage is the best thing in a phone. I just don't get why "flagships" that should be the best in their class, have weak batteries. Planned obsolescence, I guess.xenol - Monday, October 11, 2021 - link
It's more likely space constraints that dictate battery sizes, the hardware itself not being as efficient, and the software team behind the phone unable to or not making the necessary tweaks to eke out as much as efficiency as possible.A weak battery can be mitigated by a battery bank. Plus how long the battery lasts over time depends on how one uses the phone. My Galaxy S10+ is still going pretty strong despite being my daily since April 2019.
deil - Monday, October 11, 2021 - link
Space constraints are not the main problem, as most mid-tier phones are not bigger, nor heavier, than flagships. 8 series SOC is not bigger than 6'th series. It's often same camera, same storage.Nothing says it cannot be as big as mid-tier ones. (at least more 500mah for all of them)
I get it you can get cheap replacements, but each of "extras" that you need to do your daily things is a problem, as you may forget, it can break, cause wear on ports and cycling the battery make it die sooner.
S10+ is a great phone, like most of them, its just batteries which are cheap and fastest deteriorating part inside, are weakest points of a device made NOT TO BE REPAIRED.
I ride my phone daily since 2018, leaving like 20-40% each day.
I am glad that I found it, and I am pissed there is no replacement that would be worthy.
Wrs - Monday, October 11, 2021 - link
Space constraint is huge, though. Ways to increase battery capacity include thinning out the shell, thinning the separator, using a slightly higher/looser voltage controller. That last one aside from reducing cycle longevity also causes bloating in cells left on the charger too much. Outside the battery, it’s not just the SoC and camera taking space, but dozens of other supporting chips, speakers, sensors & radio modules, and water/dust sealing. A cheaper phone may get by with fewer or cheaper components resulting in plenty more room for battery material.TheinsanegamerN - Monday, October 11, 2021 - link
A battery bank is like taking a can of gas and strapping it to your roof. Why not just plug it in all the time if youre going to do that? Spare chargers are a lot cheaper. Also wears out the battery faster charging it constantly.If they would GET. RID. OF. THE. CAMERA. BUMP. they'd have plenty of room to put a bigger cell in. But that would make sense.
Wrs - Monday, October 11, 2021 - link
(1) Gasoline is way more energy dense than batteries,(2) A spare charger contains no energy,
(3) Thin is beautiful. Thin sells better and that’s why the thick stuff isn’t updated or optimized as much, but it’s still available if one looks around.
Idk what’s with your gas analogy… a rooftop gas can doesn’t degrade the main gas tank or engine. And you don’t have to plug the phone into a battery bank all the time. It’s just a mobile power plug/charger in one.
TheinsanegamerN - Tuesday, October 12, 2021 - link
1) has nothing to do with the analogy, way to miss the point2) so? Unless you ahve the pockets of a gaint you're not using a battery bank while walkign around either, you're using it on a desk, where one can plug a charger in.
3) if that were true the thick moto play series wouldnt have become their best selling devices.
The anology is simple, if someone has a range issue, telling them to strap more fuel from an external source onto their device is a stupid answer. Wether it be phones or cars it's not a proper fix.
Wrs - Tuesday, October 12, 2021 - link
The analogy never made sense to me, thus my comment. There are scenarios when one wants a lot of range, like hiking/camping, where cans of gas up top may be more practical than buying a separate extended range car, and scenarios where one needn't much range, like being near town. Holding a bulky device full time just isn't that comfortable for some people.There are indeed some thick phones out there, and if they work for you what's the complaint? The IPhones reviewed in this article seem to have great battery life, all except for the tiniest option.
Zerrohero - Monday, October 11, 2021 - link
”Planned obsolescence, I guess.”Apple and thousands of authorised (and not authorised) service shops are happy to replace the battery when it goes bad.
iOS 15 landed for iPhone 6s, from 2015.
So much for planned obsolescence.
But of course you know all this very well.
TheinsanegamerN - Monday, October 11, 2021 - link
So you have to pay them more money to replace a part you cant service yourself because they made a consumable item inaccesable.That's planned obsolescence. But you knew that already, didnt you?
gund8912 - Monday, October 11, 2021 - link
apparently people care about Water resistance, if a user can replace a battery then they can break the seal and come back to apple with water damage.Oxford Guy - Monday, October 11, 2021 - link
Show us the data that makes it clear that that is more important to more customers.ex2bot - Monday, October 11, 2021 - link
Imma throw out a crazy idea here: sales.TheinsanegamerN - Tuesday, October 12, 2021 - link
Sales were great before water resistance as well, what sales data are you refering to?Spunjji - Thursday, October 14, 2021 - link
I don't know that you could find any data that proves either is more important than the other. People seem to prefer water-resistant to not-water-resistant, and apparently prefer thin phones made with "premium" materials to replaceable batteries, but it's impossible to separate the sales trends from the manufacturing / reviewing trends.It is, however, almost certainly more important to Apple. They like having control over their repairs, and speaking from my experience working as a store tech, their target audience in Western countries are (by majority, certainly not exclusively) happy with that arrangement.
hemedans - Tuesday, October 12, 2021 - link
Lot of phones had water resistant and easily removable batteries though, like galaxy s5Graag - Tuesday, October 19, 2021 - link
You're ignoring - or are too young to remember - all of the problems the Galaxy S5 had with waterproofness when people actually replaced their batteries.Spunjji - Thursday, October 14, 2021 - link
That is not, in fact, planned obsolescence. Planned obsolescence would be choosing to use a battery that degrades when options that don't degrade were available, and/or choosing to make it impossible to replace the battery.Alistair - Monday, October 11, 2021 - link
you can't get a battery replaced anywhere in my city, and we have 100,000 people, so don't pretend it is as easy as you make it out to besonny73n - Monday, October 11, 2021 - link
@ZeroheroCost $99 to replace the battery in iPhone X and later at Apple store by the idiots who have much less knowledge about electronic, especially in computer field than I do. I only charge half of what Apple charge to replace the battery. All my battery replacements are made by Desay, the same company that make iPhone batteries, only higher capacity with one year warranty. It seems to me you're not only agree with Apple but praising them for charging people outrageous price just to replace a component that only costs about $15.
Who gives a ratass about iPhone system updates besides the sheeple. I have an iPhone 6S, the last item I ever bought from Apple. Screw the iOS 15 and 14 which I accidentally updated to. I'm still sending Apple emails occasionally cussing them not to let me downgrade back to iOS 9 which it originally came with.
Apple is not just planned obsolescence, it has become obsolete long ago. The same fat ass notch design every year for the last 4 years says it all.
Spunjji - Thursday, October 14, 2021 - link
"Who gives a ratass about iPhone system updates besides the sheeple"Anybody who cares about device security..!
Their battery replacement charges are absurd, though, especially given how little they pay the staff who do them.
morgenrot - Saturday, October 16, 2021 - link
Your prices are off, it’s $69/49 for younger/older than X. Granted, that’s more than the cost of the battery, but they’ll also replace your phone if they screw up.flyingpants265 - Monday, October 11, 2021 - link
Because they're scam products created to take money ($1000+) from the majority of people, for just 24 low monthly payments.I hate to tell you guys this, but Samsung, Apple and Google aren't your friends. They're not here to make good phones at cheap prices. Android is mostly the same as when I tried it in 2010, by now I would have expected it to be doing some Star-trek level stuff but no, just your basic single-application, and extremely basic, laggy, disorganized, limited UI and software. Android is a bad product, it's crap designed to be sold to dummy consumers.
Xiaomi Poco X3 Pro is $300ish and it's the one to get right now. Fast as hell. Xiaomi sells their stuff basically at cost. In the past it was the Redmi K20, the OnePlus One and I believe the Nexus 4 and 5 were both dirt cheap (199-299).
If you pay for a $1200 phone, it's your own damn fault. Nothing in the phone is worth $1200, people just want to buy it because they like it. Ok, no problem. For the rest of us at least there are cheap options like the Xiaomi.
Not a fan of the Chinese government spying crap, but at least it's possible to wipe it and install LineageOS or something.
TheinsanegamerN - Tuesday, October 12, 2021 - link
I'm sorry, ANDROID is limited in UI, software, and single application? Are you perhaps from 2007?Would explain how you think android is laggy. Either that or you've never used more then a $50 india phone.
GeoffreyA - Tuesday, October 12, 2021 - link
Well, Android apps being written in Java (and now Kotlin), small wonder they win the Academy Award for Best Performance, year after year.yasamoka - Thursday, October 14, 2021 - link
Java and Kotlin are programming languages, not implementations. Performance is largely dictated by the implementation and may be impacted, language-wise, only by how much the language is able to let the programmer give the compiler / interpeter more information.Java and Kotlin are statically- and strongly-typed languages and these usually allow the compiler to perform certain optimizations that wouldn't be feasible on interpreted languages. With these kinds of languages, performance is mostly down to your compiler and Java Virtual Machine (JVM).
Android Runtime (ART) supports ahead-of-time (AOT) compilation, like traditional compilers do, and this improves performance over doing Just-in-Time (JIT) compilation like traditional JVMs do. ART compiles the entire application into native machine code upon installation.
GeoffreyA - Thursday, October 14, 2021 - link
You're 100% right. I was aware ART compiles Dalvik to machine code ahead of time, or on the first run, and stashes it; but my strong dislike of Java on the desktop lured me into that trap of thinking. That if it's slow in one place (JIT/JVM), it must be slow everywhere. Truly, I can't shake this feeling that all these languages are slow, even when they're compiled to native code in advance.lemurbutton - Monday, October 11, 2021 - link
Where are numbers for the iPhone 13 Mini?lemurbutton - Monday, October 11, 2021 - link
Nvm. It's right there.GC2:CS - Monday, October 11, 2021 - link
Looks like apple estimate that 13 Pro has shorter battery life than 13 is quite reasonable and provided numbers are in line with anandtech tests.Looks like lower end models will get better batteries down the line too, with sole exception being the 11 Pro vs 11.
Also there is supposed lower reflectivity in iPhone 13 models thanks to re-introduction of integrated touch layer. Can you somehow elaborate ? It appears to me that way, at least under store lights.
Also I am no professional, but if I remember correctly, 10-bit panels are a thing since iPhone X and auto brightness boost is a thing since 2016 iPad Pro and iPhone 7. Is that true ? I do not think that iPhone 12/13 should are 8 bit panels.
Also I am very interested In PWM frequency of the Pro phones ? Did it went up to 480 Hz ? Is it easier/less noticeable on the eye now ?
id4andrei - Monday, October 11, 2021 - link
For the upcoming review I'd kindly ask Mr. Frumusanu to look into reports of display dimming in broad daylight and throttling in games such as Genshin Impact. Even if it has the most powerful mobile soc, the ip 13, just like the 12 before it, cannot seem to sustain these numbers.jospoortvliet - Wednesday, October 13, 2021 - link
The previous article covered throttling of the gpu which is indeed substantial (but even when throttled the fastest out there).Silver5urfer - Monday, October 11, 2021 - link
But cannot become a pocket computer at all. The iOS is like a jail. Must comply with Apple ID and must give them everything and in return they keep all your data and face math data etc. Not even you can get a simple Analog jack or an expandable storage. You cannot even use the filesystem to copy anything you like, nor even customize the home screen remove their apps or set default applications, not even emulators for such a strong SoC.Seeing Apple's success every single Android OEM followed same garbage, no more chargers either. $1000 phones no chargers no earphones no nothing. Just pay for $150-300 wireless earphones which die after 1-2years.
Bonus points for Apple, Face ID cannot be replaced by third party because unknown reasons. At this point smartphones are just social media devices, with some fancy camera features and more useful for basic browsing and those corporate mandated 2FA systems.
Blark64 - Monday, October 11, 2021 - link
Just a few corrections to incorrect/out of date statements: Face ID data is encrypted, never leaves the phone, and is stored in the Secure Enclave where it is inaccessible even to someone who possesses the phone. Because of the secure hardware interlock between the faceID camera and the Secure Enclave, you must get the screen replaced by an authorized repair shop to ensure that the data is not being intercepted by a hacked/modified phone. You can remove the default apps, and arrange the Home Screen how you like.TheinsanegamerN - Tuesday, October 12, 2021 - link
Uh huh. They couldnt just, you know, wipe the data if the hardware changed? How convenient they made this "secure" system require special apple tech that they pinky swear is needed.Spunjji - Thursday, October 14, 2021 - link
I think they already explained that part:"to ensure that the data is not being intercepted by a hacked/modified phone"
Wiping the existing data wouldn't prevent this part of the problem.
Don't get me wrong, I think Apple's approach to repairs is - for the most part - total bullshit, but this one at least makes some sort of sense.
Wrs - Monday, October 11, 2021 - link
There's a critical reason FaceID can't be swapped by a third party. If it could be replaced with any other IR camera, just imagine what a criminal could do - intercept and emulate the camera feed like they would do with a poorly implemented password prompt. That's also how Snowden knows a phone can theoretically be tracked while shut down. It'd just be a modified OS that fakes the shutdown.QueBert - Monday, October 11, 2021 - link
Apple's Face ID is actually secure, enough so I can use it for my banking. I got a Pogo X3 NFC last month and when I set up face unlock it literally said this isn't secure and can be easily bypassed by someone holding up a picture of you.gund8912 - Monday, October 11, 2021 - link
Samsung specifically says don't use Face ID for banking, that shows that they are not confident about the security.Oxford Guy - Monday, October 11, 2021 - link
Google is forcing 2-factor, so it can get its grubby mitts on your phone. These companies are all becoming what Apple portrayed in its famous 1984 commercial. (They aren’t the girl.)GeoffreyA - Tuesday, October 12, 2021 - link
Two-factor authentication is a good idea. Nonetheless, Google has fallen far from its "don't be evil" days.GeoffreyA - Tuesday, October 12, 2021 - link
"Seeing Apple's success every single Android OEM followed same garbage"Because Apple is God. If the folk at Cupertino made cars with square wheels, all the world will follow suit, saying it's the in-thing right now.
tipoo - Monday, October 11, 2021 - link
Interesting to know that the Mini now has at least as good battery life as my XS Max, whose faceID decided to kill itself ahead of iPhone 13 time.Wrs - Monday, October 11, 2021 - link
Even then I don’t understand the 13mini result. It gets 64% of the web browsing battery life of the 13 with a battery 75% the size. Either the 13 mini is averaging more power draw despite the smaller screen or the effective battery energy is well short of what the rating suggests.blanarahul - Tuesday, October 12, 2021 - link
That is quite odd. With the smaller screen, you'd expect it to last longer than 75% the time of iPhone 13.Ppietra - Tuesday, October 12, 2021 - link
It is odd, especially when others have shown the iPhone13 mini outlasting the regular iPhone 12, while here it’s far behind. Of course it wasn’t the same testing, but it does reveal some dissonance.Andrei Frumusanu - Tuesday, October 12, 2021 - link
I ran the battery tests several times over all phones within 10-15minute margins.Ppietra - Tuesday, October 12, 2021 - link
Doesn’t stop being odd considering the hardware is basically the same except for the battery and screen. So either the screen in the mini is less efficient or for some reason the wifi in the mini is less efficient.Either way there is some dissonance between different tests.
zodiacfml - Monday, October 11, 2021 - link
finally, Apple gave in and increased the battery capacities. all these years, it is hilarious and sad to see people scrambling to charge their expensive phones (recent Android flagships though nearly cost as much, making the iphones a better buy).Oxford Guy - Monday, October 11, 2021 - link
One needs battery life to afford to run all the nifty new spyware baked into iOS.web2dot0 - Tuesday, October 12, 2021 - link
There's no spyware in AndriodOS?You've never used Google Maps my guy?
Oxford Guy - Wednesday, October 13, 2021 - link
Tu quoque fallacy to the rescue!Spunjji - Thursday, October 14, 2021 - link
Whether it is or not, the fact is that we don't really have good options hereOxford Guy - Friday, October 15, 2021 - link
That's true but it's also important for people to know the truth. Only then is there any hope of improvement.It is certainly possible to create spyware-free hardware, networks, and operating systems. All that is required is enough passion from ordinary people to force the hand of the oligarchs.
isthisavailable - Tuesday, October 12, 2021 - link
Imagine still buying a iPhone when apple has come out and said that they will look at your personal photos for problematic images. "WILL SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?" ...right.TheinsanegamerN - Tuesday, October 12, 2021 - link
Google and MS have been doing that for years my dude. If you care about privacy better be using linux.Oxford Guy - Wednesday, October 13, 2021 - link
Scientific American said gay kids will he outed via Apple’s spyware, leading to an even more disproportionate representation in the homeless and foster population.Don’t expect people like Tim Cook to care. Expect the tu quoque fallacy from posters, too.
GeoffreyA - Thursday, October 14, 2021 - link
I think what we've got with Apple, Google, Facebook, and co. is a species of soft, totalitarian control wrapped up in imaginary democratic trappings.Oxford Guy - Friday, October 15, 2021 - link
Not so soft for the Foxconn workers, as I understand it.Hyper72 - Friday, October 29, 2021 - link
The Foxconn workers working on Apple products have seen a lot of improvements over the years because that's all everybody talks about - exposure helps. It's still not perfect but I'm willing to venture a guess that the many other Foxconn workers in their many factories working on for example SONY, Microsoft and Dell products (and many many others) have not seen as many improvements to their conditions. I'd like more focus on more big brands to stop them flying under the radar...In any case this is a change of subject...
theblitz707 - Wednesday, October 13, 2021 - link
Im curious to know what is the brightness thereshold to go from 625 to 1059. Could you mention it in your review?high3r - Thursday, October 14, 2021 - link
Looking at the browsing battery life, is it possible that the iPhone 13 Pro Max is still in VRR mode when set to 60Hz unlike the Galaxy S21? In the settings Limit Frame Rate says: sets the "maximum" frame rate to 60fps so it suggests that it's not constant. Here the 13PM run almost 6 hours more than tha S21U while in 120Hz VRR and difference is only 4+ hours.Wrs - Thursday, October 14, 2021 - link
The discrepancy is on Samsung’s side. Their S888 version of S21 Ultra gains 2.5 hrs going to 60hz while their Exynos 2100 version gets less than 1 hr. The iPhone Pros get 2-3 hours, scaling as expected with base battery life.Wrs - Thursday, October 14, 2021 - link
Or 2 hrs vs 15 mins for the S21 Ultras, sorry couldn’t edit.Dex4Sure - Saturday, October 16, 2021 - link
iPhone 13 standard is great for the money. Great battery, good enough cameras and good screen. Many are obsessed with 120hz and the newer cameras, but I don't care about those features really. Doubt most others do either... My screen on time is like 1 to 2 hours a day lmao.torrewaffer - Saturday, October 23, 2021 - link
Does the iPhone 13 Pro have the same low brightness limitation to its variable refresh rate as the S21 Ultra?Solti_Raaja - Sunday, October 24, 2021 - link
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Always impressive how well iPhones perform with their smaller batteries, I think ever since the 11 series with A13 Bionic Apple seem to have been on a roll, look at that 11 Pro Max, 12 Pro and 13 Pro/Pro Max all giving hell to the 5000mAh droids. Good to see the hard work Apple puts its in to ensure these smartphones are as efficient yet powerful as possible. :)