It would have been nice to see a high-end air cooler in the results, such as a Be Quiet Dark Rock Pro 4, to compare the difference between high-end air and AIOs. Many people cross-shop air coolers and AIOs and without at least one comparison point it's hard to know how they stack up.
You're an idiot. Anandtech has it's own bench page with a backlog of testing results that anyone can access at the top of the site where it says "BENCH"
Reading comprehension is important. Keep at it though, you'll get there eventually.
Flunk wrote "It would have been nice to see a high-end air cooler in the results."
If you can't tell the difference between the aggregation database and results in a directly referenced review, I don't know if there's much hope left for this conversation.
I feel it's important to also point out that the referenced Be Quiet Pure Loop 280, the Dark Rock Pro 4 or the common Noctua NH-D15 are all entirely absent from the Bench database. Oops. You'd know this though, because you checked it. Right?
...Right?
Consider breathing exercises, or yoga. You seem to need some help with focusing your attention.
NH-D15 is just an updated NH-D14 and congratulations you picked one cooler that wasnt there, make sure to hold on to that one cooler tight so you get to say you are not wrong like a bit.ch
There is a bench full of air coolers, if you're stupid enough that you need every piece of information spoon fed to you and you cant figure out anything on your own, stick to tomshardware
It’s not as much what you say as how you say it. It’s possible to politely point out that the info might be available, it doesn’t require someone to make an ass of themselves.
It’s also totally valid to suggest that extremely relevant information be collected into an article. It would make the article itself better.
Dear Mr. Vanish, you have a serious problem. I think you can be helped with drugs and psychotherapy, but it'll require knowledgable and dedicated psychiatrists and psychopharmacologists. Meanwhile, I'd stay out of bars if I were you; with your present approach to life, you probably would not get out of one with all your teeth.
Hopefully not too stupid a question: how do you know when to add more liquid to the loop? Or should one completely drain and then refill in certain intervals?
I went and looked at the manual for this loop, and it doesn't even mention the fillport at all.
You cannot fill up AIO coolers. They are hermetically sealed. But quality ones lose very little liquid over time. I have run them for 5 years without issues.
Quieter, it is much, much quieter. I can't hear my AIO when the machine is under heavy load for a few minutes. After that yes the fans will ramp up. But I've never been able to get an air cooler to that degree of a low ramp-up. With regular (non gaming) loads I can't hear my machine when I sit at it in the middle of the night (as in, no other noise) and I've never had that on air cooling.
I have a NH-D15 with the fan ramp set up fairly carefully in my UEFI... and a Fractal Define XL R2 with acoustic padding all over the place. It takes several minutes of extended load on my 5800X before it gets louder than ambient noise. It's silent too at night just web browsing or whatever.
I'm not opposed to the idea of a AIO but then I'd have to take a big chunk of acoustic padding off to put the radiator in the top of the case, so maybe next time. Haha.
I didn't read any clear distinction between pump noise and fan noise. Is the pump especially nice sounding or quiet also? Or just the fans run slower than the Corsair one, if so, Corsair is still a great option as long as the Corsair pump is quiet.
Be Quiet is a fine company out of the Hamburg area in North Germany. Great to see the Germans now producing more high-quality goods for sale in the U.S and in the PC hobbyist world. I would most certainly buy from 'be-quiet' first and not Corsair who is satisfying their investors with mostly cheaper China goods all to making a bigger buck and over-marketing their products. As to cooling, the AIO market has always been way overpriced and much overrated; their pumps have never been perfected after all this time. And do I really care if my PC runs 10 degrees hotter? My Noctua D15 has been with me now for 10-years and straddled three completely new system builds. No downtime. I am now ready for Alder Lake with a Z690 Asus Hero MB, DDR5 and stuffed into a EATX. No doubt the 'be quiet' Dark Rock TF2 is on the bill and in 2022 my first cooler replacement in 11-years. Greetings from Stehekin, WA where you have to make things count!
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Be Quiet! Pure Loop 280 cooler looks aesthetically pleasing but where's the RGB. Not asking disco but customised cases have to look good looking into the window. Off the subject, Noctua the pinnacle manufacturers of coolers, why don't they do AIO?
A must-have feature that I'm looking for in AIOs is the ability to link fan speed to water temperature, as you don't need to hear the fans spin up over every load spike - they do so very gradually with load. I would go so far as to say that with AIOs, for the vast majority of people, that's the key differentiating feature of water cooling. Unfortunately most reviewers completely ignore the presence of the feature (curiously, many of the brands don't actively market the feature either), so benchmark results end up being of limited usefulness to me, since a) I don't care how an AIO sounds @100% fan speed - I want to know how loud they are when temperatures stabilize at a given CPU wattage and b) I don't care about half of the products presented, so to me the comparisons are apples to oranges.
There are two brands that I know of that have this feature, Corsair and nxzt. Interestingly though the fluctuation in temperature of coolant (the band of high/low) is not big, maybe 20C or so.
I actually have a thermal probe on the top fin of my D15 and the max temp when the cpu is going ballistic is about 35C or so at 20C ambient. The cpu (overclocked) however is up around 80C. I have found that having the fan ramp up for more airflow doesn’t actually make a huge difference to the temp either, some airflow is good, but it caps out pretty quickly.
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Flunk - Thursday, October 14, 2021 - link
It would have been nice to see a high-end air cooler in the results, such as a Be Quiet Dark Rock Pro 4, to compare the difference between high-end air and AIOs. Many people cross-shop air coolers and AIOs and without at least one comparison point it's hard to know how they stack up.satai - Thursday, October 14, 2021 - link
I would be quite interested how this compares with higher Noctua models too.vanish1 - Thursday, October 14, 2021 - link
Their bench page has air cooler results. You should try looking first instead of crying that the info isnt being spoon fed into your mouth, baby.Slash3 - Thursday, October 14, 2021 - link
You should probably read the review first before commenting.vanish1 - Thursday, October 14, 2021 - link
You're an idiot. Anandtech has it's own bench page with a backlog of testing results that anyone can access at the top of the site where it says "BENCH"You can go back to the peanut gallery now.
Slash3 - Thursday, October 14, 2021 - link
Reading comprehension is important. Keep at it though, you'll get there eventually.Flunk wrote "It would have been nice to see a high-end air cooler in the results."
If you can't tell the difference between the aggregation database and results in a directly referenced review, I don't know if there's much hope left for this conversation.
I feel it's important to also point out that the referenced Be Quiet Pure Loop 280, the Dark Rock Pro 4 or the common Noctua NH-D15 are all entirely absent from the Bench database. Oops. You'd know this though, because you checked it. Right?
...Right?
Consider breathing exercises, or yoga. You seem to need some help with focusing your attention.
vanish1 - Thursday, October 14, 2021 - link
NH-D15 is just an updated NH-D14 and congratulations you picked one cooler that wasnt there, make sure to hold on to that one cooler tight so you get to say you are not wrong like a bit.chThere is a bench full of air coolers, if you're stupid enough that you need every piece of information spoon fed to you and you cant figure out anything on your own, stick to tomshardware
sor - Thursday, October 14, 2021 - link
It’s not as much what you say as how you say it. It’s possible to politely point out that the info might be available, it doesn’t require someone to make an ass of themselves.It’s also totally valid to suggest that extremely relevant information be collected into an article. It would make the article itself better.
Oxford Guy - Friday, October 15, 2021 - link
'you picked one cooler that wasnt there'Only the industry standard in high-end air cooling. Nothing important there!
milleron - Wednesday, November 17, 2021 - link
Dear Mr. Vanish, you have a serious problem. I think you can be helped with drugs and psychotherapy, but it'll require knowledgable and dedicated psychiatrists and psychopharmacologists. Meanwhile, I'd stay out of bars if I were you; with your present approach to life, you probably would not get out of one with all your teeth.hansmuff - Thursday, October 14, 2021 - link
Hopefully not too stupid a question: how do you know when to add more liquid to the loop? Or should one completely drain and then refill in certain intervals?I went and looked at the manual for this loop, and it doesn't even mention the fillport at all.
Stuka87 - Thursday, October 14, 2021 - link
You cannot fill up AIO coolers. They are hermetically sealed. But quality ones lose very little liquid over time. I have run them for 5 years without issues.DirtyLoad - Thursday, October 14, 2021 - link
This is not true, this cooler is an AIO and has a fill port. Also, they include a bottle of coolant. Please read review before commenting.damianrobertjones - Monday, October 18, 2021 - link
Bought three AIO coolers. None of them arrived with extra coolant.evilspoons - Monday, October 18, 2021 - link
The spec page for this product on the manufacturer's web site has a line that says: "Fill port: ✔"https://www.bequiet.com/en/watercooler/1960
Click "technical data".
ceb1974 - Thursday, October 14, 2021 - link
I'll never go back to air coolers.A5 - Thursday, October 14, 2021 - link
OTOH, I'll never go liquid. More stuff to break, costs more, and not that much better.meacupla - Thursday, October 14, 2021 - link
Liquid cooling is significantly better, but only if you use a 280mm, 360mm, or larger, radiator per cpu/gpu.240mm is basically similar to top end air, while anything under that is not worth it.
hansmuff - Friday, October 15, 2021 - link
Quieter, it is much, much quieter. I can't hear my AIO when the machine is under heavy load for a few minutes. After that yes the fans will ramp up. But I've never been able to get an air cooler to that degree of a low ramp-up. With regular (non gaming) loads I can't hear my machine when I sit at it in the middle of the night (as in, no other noise) and I've never had that on air cooling.evilspoons - Monday, October 18, 2021 - link
I have a NH-D15 with the fan ramp set up fairly carefully in my UEFI... and a Fractal Define XL R2 with acoustic padding all over the place. It takes several minutes of extended load on my 5800X before it gets louder than ambient noise. It's silent too at night just web browsing or whatever.I'm not opposed to the idea of a AIO but then I'd have to take a big chunk of acoustic padding off to put the radiator in the top of the case, so maybe next time. Haha.
Alistair - Thursday, October 14, 2021 - link
I didn't read any clear distinction between pump noise and fan noise. Is the pump especially nice sounding or quiet also? Or just the fans run slower than the Corsair one, if so, Corsair is still a great option as long as the Corsair pump is quiet.Tom Sunday - Thursday, October 14, 2021 - link
Be Quiet is a fine company out of the Hamburg area in North Germany. Great to see the Germans now producing more high-quality goods for sale in the U.S and in the PC hobbyist world. I would most certainly buy from 'be-quiet' first and not Corsair who is satisfying their investors with mostly cheaper China goods all to making a bigger buck and over-marketing their products. As to cooling, the AIO market has always been way overpriced and much overrated; their pumps have never been perfected after all this time. And do I really care if my PC runs 10 degrees hotter? My Noctua D15 has been with me now for 10-years and straddled three completely new system builds. No downtime. I am now ready for Alder Lake with a Z690 Asus Hero MB, DDR5 and stuffed into a EATX. No doubt the 'be quiet' Dark Rock TF2 is on the bill and in 2022 my first cooler replacement in 11-years. Greetings from Stehekin, WA where you have to make things count!Oxford Guy - Friday, October 15, 2021 - link
My Corsair H50 exploded, destroying a video card and making a huge mess. Somehow the motherboard survived.COtech - Sunday, October 24, 2021 - link
These Be Quiet coolers are made in China just like the Corsair ones.Purpose - Friday, October 15, 2021 - link
This is a U-Flow radiator, not cross flow.docbones - Friday, October 15, 2021 - link
Would love to see how it compares to the Ice Giant. (for noise and cooling)SuperMover - Saturday, October 16, 2021 - link
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Jasonovich - Monday, October 18, 2021 - link
Be Quiet! Pure Loop 280 cooler looks aesthetically pleasing but where's the RGB. Not asking disco but customised cases have to look good looking into the window.Off the subject, Noctua the pinnacle manufacturers of coolers, why don't they do AIO?
ltkAlpha - Tuesday, October 19, 2021 - link
A must-have feature that I'm looking for in AIOs is the ability to link fan speed to water temperature, as you don't need to hear the fans spin up over every load spike - they do so very gradually with load. I would go so far as to say that with AIOs, for the vast majority of people, that's the key differentiating feature of water cooling. Unfortunately most reviewers completely ignore the presence of the feature (curiously, many of the brands don't actively market the feature either), so benchmark results end up being of limited usefulness to me, since a) I don't care how an AIO sounds @100% fan speed - I want to know how loud they are when temperatures stabilize at a given CPU wattage and b) I don't care about half of the products presented, so to me the comparisons are apples to oranges.Keljian - Saturday, December 4, 2021 - link
There are two brands that I know of that have this feature, Corsair and nxzt. Interestingly though the fluctuation in temperature of coolant (the band of high/low) is not big, maybe 20C or so.I actually have a thermal probe on the top fin of my D15 and the max temp when the cpu is going ballistic is about 35C or so at 20C ambient. The cpu (overclocked) however is up around 80C. I have found that having the fan ramp up for more airflow doesn’t actually make a huge difference to the temp either, some airflow is good, but it caps out pretty quickly.