I'm regularly curious about these endurance comments. I have a Crucial 256GB M400 SSD for the last 12 years and barely have 10TB written total. What is it that you do for which 100+ TB written is too small an amount?
As a power user I assure you it's quite possible to use up that much storage. Granted, casual web browsing with an addon-less browser will not create that much traffic. How, you might ask? Well, if you're developing SW (SoftWare) you'll have to compile that SW. Even with -pipe, it still will write quite a bit of stuff to the disk, and with pipe, even more. Now you might not want to develop SW yourself, but there are plenty of people who want to use some applications or games which will require you to compile some source code. Now, you can argue everything should be pre-compiled and packaged, but then someone is still compiling the stuff. You might also want to find the fastest FS (Filesystem) for your PC. Should I chose ext4? Btrfs? Nilfs2? Reiserfs? Or, maybe I should chose something more exotic for HPC? (High Performance Computing) Then there's benchmarking your SW. Does it go fast? Where's it getting caught at? Can I reuse more of the codebase to get more out of the caches? When that program writes data to the disk and when you modify that program and recompile, it uses up more of those TBW.
Now this will all seem ethereal to most people. But the *WHOLE* reason your PC runs "fast" is because people, in both the HW (Hardware) and SW communities got to thinking, how can it be faster? Thus, it benefits you indirectly to have affordable and high endurance SSDs on the market (the same goes for other HW), because the more efficient and less expensive the process of making things faster, the more people will be able to invest in it. And when they make it faster, then they can pass that speed and efficiency increase down to you. This does, of course, also translate to lower power usage (race to halt). So your PC will also run more quietly.
TLDR: When money can't be, or isn't a sufficient motivation, it's the enthusiasts that make your PC faster. You do well, therefore, to support them in any way you can. (Verbally here.)
Okay, but that is not really the market that this product is targeting. This appears to me to be a low cost mainstream product. I don't see software developers buying this when there are much better products on the market for that use case. This is not a high end/enthusiast product. It's write endurance is perfectly fine for its target audience/consumer. I just chuckle a little bit when I constantly read these "endurance sucks" reply's to any SSD article. :-P
Yep, given the connection between bits-per-cell and how much capacity you get out of the Flash, "mainstream PC SSDs should be more like datacenter ones" (and have worse cost/GB) is a lot like "your car should be a heavy-duty truck" (and have worse fuel economy). 🤷♀️
Plenty of reasons - why they are introducing the product, what is it going up against in the market, base specs, pricing, how they are able to achieve the performance improvement over the previous generation, etc. - all of which are covered in the article, and you are unlikely to find in other places that just reproduce the PR with modified text.
So, they silently downgrade the SN550 to QLC, and then release an "upgrade" that is just what the SN550 already was? ("Muh new NAND" yes, new tech is slightly better than old tech, what a surprise)
Samsung became the standard in SSDs with plenty of that kind of thing, including being caught paying people to astroturf. WD's management sees Samsung get away with fake power consumption numbers, calling TLC and QLC 'MLC', and a bunch of other frauds and follows suit.
Similarly, MS sees Apple surpass its valuation by embracing a faster-and-faster planned obsolescence schedule and decides to destroy Windows' main attraction: backward compatibility.
Just out of curiosity folks, I'm in need for a SSD upgrade from my 128GB OS Samsung drive and my needs are largely limited to gaming and lightworkstation work. Also I've an M.2 NVME slot on my Intel based B360 motherboard so I was hoping to populate that. Considering the specs as we know it, would the SN570 be an ideal fit if the reviews come back positive or is their an alternative out there that would be better?
Unfortunately, issue is more about availability than affordability. Hynix is only available in US and I do not reside there. Thus I'm looking for other alternatives.
I wonder if WD will end up subsituting nand and/or controller with these like they did with the SN550? Specs and reviews become meaningless if the product changes without getting a different model name.
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YB1064 - Monday, October 4, 2021 - link
Why even write an article if every spec is unknown "?"zdz - Monday, October 4, 2021 - link
Endurance is provided, low enough not to care about rest of specs or the drives at all.sdsdv10 - Monday, October 4, 2021 - link
I'm regularly curious about these endurance comments. I have a Crucial 256GB M400 SSD for the last 12 years and barely have 10TB written total. What is it that you do for which 100+ TB written is too small an amount?sdsdv10 - Monday, October 4, 2021 - link
Sorry, can't edit. Meant to write 10 years. Built my last PC in 2011.Oxford Guy - Thursday, October 7, 2021 - link
Windows 11 is killing machines that are newer. Wait until 12 hits!damianrobertjones - Monday, October 18, 2021 - link
Nah, it's not.ballsystemlord - Monday, October 4, 2021 - link
As a power user I assure you it's quite possible to use up that much storage. Granted, casual web browsing with an addon-less browser will not create that much traffic.How, you might ask? Well, if you're developing SW (SoftWare) you'll have to compile that SW. Even with -pipe, it still will write quite a bit of stuff to the disk, and with pipe, even more.
Now you might not want to develop SW yourself, but there are plenty of people who want to use some applications or games which will require you to compile some source code. Now, you can argue everything should be pre-compiled and packaged, but then someone is still compiling the stuff.
You might also want to find the fastest FS (Filesystem) for your PC. Should I chose ext4? Btrfs? Nilfs2? Reiserfs? Or, maybe I should chose something more exotic for HPC? (High Performance Computing)
Then there's benchmarking your SW. Does it go fast? Where's it getting caught at? Can I reuse more of the codebase to get more out of the caches? When that program writes data to the disk and when you modify that program and recompile, it uses up more of those TBW.
Now this will all seem ethereal to most people. But the *WHOLE* reason your PC runs "fast" is because people, in both the HW (Hardware) and SW communities got to thinking, how can it be faster?
Thus, it benefits you indirectly to have affordable and high endurance SSDs on the market (the same goes for other HW), because the more efficient and less expensive the process of making things faster, the more people will be able to invest in it. And when they make it faster, then they can pass that speed and efficiency increase down to you. This does, of course, also translate to lower power usage (race to halt). So your PC will also run more quietly.
ballsystemlord - Monday, October 4, 2021 - link
TLDR: When money can't be, or isn't a sufficient motivation, it's the enthusiasts that make your PC faster. You do well, therefore, to support them in any way you can. (Verbally here.)sdsdv10 - Monday, October 4, 2021 - link
Okay, but that is not really the market that this product is targeting. This appears to me to be a low cost mainstream product. I don't see software developers buying this when there are much better products on the market for that use case. This is not a high end/enthusiast product. It's write endurance is perfectly fine for its target audience/consumer. I just chuckle a little bit when I constantly read these "endurance sucks" reply's to any SSD article. :-Ptwotwotwo - Monday, October 4, 2021 - link
Yep, given the connection between bits-per-cell and how much capacity you get out of the Flash, "mainstream PC SSDs should be more like datacenter ones" (and have worse cost/GB) is a lot like "your car should be a heavy-duty truck" (and have worse fuel economy). 🤷♀️ganeshts - Monday, October 4, 2021 - link
Plenty of reasons - why they are introducing the product, what is it going up against in the market, base specs, pricing, how they are able to achieve the performance improvement over the previous generation, etc. - all of which are covered in the article, and you are unlikely to find in other places that just reproduce the PR with modified text.hanselltc - Monday, October 4, 2021 - link
Right after SN550 got component swapped? Huh.Golgatha777 - Monday, October 4, 2021 - link
Oh look, they finally got the SN750 SE name corrected.blanarahul - Tuesday, October 5, 2021 - link
Why would anyone (who is buying for personal use) buy the 50$ 250 GB SSD over the 60$ 500 GB SSD?Wereweeb - Tuesday, October 5, 2021 - link
So, they silently downgrade the SN550 to QLC, and then release an "upgrade" that is just what the SN550 already was? ("Muh new NAND" yes, new tech is slightly better than old tech, what a surprise)WD gets scummier and scummier every day.
Oxford Guy - Thursday, October 7, 2021 - link
Samsung became the standard in SSDs with plenty of that kind of thing, including being caught paying people to astroturf. WD's management sees Samsung get away with fake power consumption numbers, calling TLC and QLC 'MLC', and a bunch of other frauds and follows suit.Similarly, MS sees Apple surpass its valuation by embracing a faster-and-faster planned obsolescence schedule and decides to destroy Windows' main attraction: backward compatibility.
damianrobertjones - Monday, October 18, 2021 - link
"decides to destroy Windows' main attraction: backward compatibility."How/where/when?
EVERY (ish) bit of software that 'we' use still works as intended.
The ish is Avaya Phone Manager Pro. That doesn't work. Probably firewall rules.
LonerPrime - Wednesday, October 6, 2021 - link
Just out of curiosity folks, I'm in need for a SSD upgrade from my 128GB OS Samsung drive and my needs are largely limited to gaming and lightworkstation work. Also I've an M.2 NVME slot on my Intel based B360 motherboard so I was hoping to populate that. Considering the specs as we know it, would the SN570 be an ideal fit if the reviews come back positive or is their an alternative out there that would be better?Wereweeb - Monday, October 11, 2021 - link
If you can afford it, I'd suggest a Hynix P31 Gold.LonerPrime - Monday, October 18, 2021 - link
Unfortunately, issue is more about availability than affordability. Hynix is only available in US and I do not reside there. Thus I'm looking for other alternatives.PloniAlmoni - Sunday, October 17, 2021 - link
I wonder if WD will end up subsituting nand and/or controller with these like they did with the SN550? Specs and reviews become meaningless if the product changes without getting a different model name.