As for the comparison between the 2TB models, there was a line in the article regarding performance: "because the 1TB drive was already fully populated from a NAND standpoint, the performance ratings for the 2TB model are otherwise identical to the 1TB model."
A warning about the Adata drives - their performance can change the longer their products are on the market. Some website did a review on the SX8200 Pro a year later and found the bill of materials changed from the original drive, and its performance wasn't quite as good.
@Drkrieger01 Most of us know about the SX8200 Pro hardwares change. As other companies had done the same, there's no need to smear one particular company. Here I'm talking about the listed SM2262EN controller version which is the original. I don't think there's any other SSD out there can beat its value, unless someone proves otherwise.
Most of us certainly do not know any such thing. I had no idea. I didn't know of *any* SSD maker defrauding its customers by switching to cheaper, less performant parts after the initial review period.
Changes in a company's part configurations is not something most people have any way of knowing.
If you want in-depth video covering it-- that Loony Linus put out a bounty system to his subscibers so his team could do extensive blind testing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K07sEM6y4Uc
I'm pretty sure ADATA swapped the newer revisions of the SX8200 Pro to the worse SM2262G controller (and probably still is doing so?). Wouldn't touch ADATA personally due to this deceptive behaviour
My reply you is the same as I did to Drkrieger01 above. Also, this SX8200 Pro is sold on and shipped by Amazon. They've listed its controller version. It can always be returned if the hardware inside isn't as they advertised.
@sonny73n, what are you talking about? Where do you see any mention of the controller version in the Amazon product listing? I see no such information, and I can't even find the word "controller" anywhere. In fact, I've never noticed any mention of a controller version on any SSD product listing at Amazon. It's a technical detail that hardly any buyer knows about or would understand, which is partly why it was possible for ADATA to defraud its customers by switching controllers after the initial reviewer tests.
The number is just an estimate with an upper bound and a lower bound. The industry has been marketing their drives with the upper end of the range, but then chia threw a wrench into the industry's projections about how much warranty claims would cost them and they realized they need to start using the lower-bound projections or it'll cost them a lot more in the long run.
The endurance numbers are there just for warranty reasons. This is still virtually the same TLC as any other 3D TLC SSD, and for normal consumer workloads it should basically last until you decide to replace it.
My Intel S4610 480 GB has 3.0 PBW ( 3000 TBW ) as system drive, and my data SSD is Intel S4510 1.92 TB with 6.5 PBW ( 6500 TBW ) S4610 1.92 TB with 9.4 PBW was too expensive for me and my wallet...
Is this line of drives one of those that the manufacturer randomly changes to a DRAM-less controller or NAND without any notice or specs update? Is there a list of those kinds of drives, I can't keep them straight?
Crucial's was a bit more nuanced, as they never surreptitiously replaced an existing model's TLC with QLC - the BX500 you're likely referring to did use QLC for the newer, higher capacity models, but the smaller ones originally did (and still do) use TLC.
Self-followup. Just caught wind of the Crucial P2 being switched from TLC to QLC. Way to go, Crucial. And here I thought there was no way to make that drive perform worse, but you've found a way.
It really shouldn't be legal. It's like if you bought an Xbox Series X, noticed it was running at lower resolutions and framerates, and then found out that Microsoft had decided to stick Xbox Series S hardware in the system without letting consumers know.
Not every SSD will scale the same way, but within the same generation, family and especially product stack, the controller (And with it the PCIe gen and presence/absence of DRAM) tends to be the decisive factor for power consumption
This is imo the best NVME/SSD for laptops, among the most efficient and still performs really well. Most NVME SSDs PCIe 4.0 will overheat / throttle on a laptop, this where the P31 imo shines.
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sonny73n - Tuesday, August 17, 2021 - link
How does the P31 compare to the XPG SX8200 Pro 2TB (SM2262EN Controller Version) which is currently on Amazon right now for $218?I think the XPG is a better deal.
Ninhalem - Tuesday, August 17, 2021 - link
You can do a comparison using AnandTech's Bench statistics between the SX8200 1TB and the P31 1TB: https://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/2793?vs=27...As for the comparison between the 2TB models, there was a line in the article regarding performance: "because the 1TB drive was already fully populated from a NAND standpoint, the performance ratings for the 2TB model are otherwise identical to the 1TB model."
sonny73n - Thursday, August 19, 2021 - link
Thanks for the link.Drkrieger01 - Tuesday, August 17, 2021 - link
A warning about the Adata drives - their performance can change the longer their products are on the market. Some website did a review on the SX8200 Pro a year later and found the bill of materials changed from the original drive, and its performance wasn't quite as good.Dizoja86 - Tuesday, August 17, 2021 - link
Depends on the product with Adata. They've at least committed to keeping the Gammix line's hardware consistent.Crucial and WD are serious offenders with hardware changes and deceptive marketing (ever try buying a WD Red Plus drive?)
It's unfortunate, as the only people who don't get burned are those who know to check multiple recent sources when they buy new drives.
Samus - Tuesday, August 31, 2021 - link
What recent product has Crucial changed BOM?sonny73n - Thursday, August 19, 2021 - link
@Drkrieger01Most of us know about the SX8200 Pro hardwares change. As other companies had done the same, there's no need to smear one particular company.
Here I'm talking about the listed SM2262EN controller version which is the original. I don't think there's any other SSD out there can beat its value, unless someone proves otherwise.
_Mushin_ - Thursday, August 19, 2021 - link
Any company that is deceptive, deserves to be smeared and lose sales.It might help them understand the importance of being forthright.
JoeDuarte - Saturday, August 21, 2021 - link
Most of us certainly do not know any such thing. I had no idea. I didn't know of *any* SSD maker defrauding its customers by switching to cheaper, less performant parts after the initial review period.Changes in a company's part configurations is not something most people have any way of knowing.
Sigma009 - Wednesday, September 8, 2021 - link
If you want in-depth video covering it-- that Loony Linus put out a bounty system to his subscibers so his team could do extensive blind testing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K07sEM6y4UcRetycint - Wednesday, August 18, 2021 - link
I'm pretty sure ADATA swapped the newer revisions of the SX8200 Pro to the worse SM2262G controller (and probably still is doing so?). Wouldn't touch ADATA personally due to this deceptive behavioursonny73n - Thursday, August 19, 2021 - link
My reply you is the same as I did to Drkrieger01 above. Also, this SX8200 Pro is sold on and shipped by Amazon. They've listed its controller version. It can always be returned if the hardware inside isn't as they advertised.JoeDuarte - Saturday, August 21, 2021 - link
@sonny73n, what are you talking about? Where do you see any mention of the controller version in the Amazon product listing? I see no such information, and I can't even find the word "controller" anywhere. In fact, I've never noticed any mention of a controller version on any SSD product listing at Amazon. It's a technical detail that hardly any buyer knows about or would understand, which is partly why it was possible for ADATA to defraud its customers by switching controllers after the initial reviewer tests.Here's what I'm looking at: https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B07K1J3C23/
Where do see the controller version?
akramargmail - Tuesday, August 17, 2021 - link
The endurance numbers are getting lower. My Corsair MP510 has 1700TBW, this one only 750.Soulkeeper - Tuesday, August 17, 2021 - link
Yeah, incredible. Every single new drive has lower endurance.Soon enough they'll be rating them for days of use.
Duwelon - Tuesday, August 17, 2021 - link
The number is just an estimate with an upper bound and a lower bound. The industry has been marketing their drives with the upper end of the range, but then chia threw a wrench into the industry's projections about how much warranty claims would cost them and they realized they need to start using the lower-bound projections or it'll cost them a lot more in the long run.Spunjji - Tuesday, August 24, 2021 - link
This still adds up to more than a decade of use by even a moderately intensive user.Wereweeb - Tuesday, August 17, 2021 - link
The endurance numbers are there just for warranty reasons. This is still virtually the same TLC as any other 3D TLC SSD, and for normal consumer workloads it should basically last until you decide to replace it.Panoramix0903 - Thursday, August 19, 2021 - link
My Intel S4610 480 GB has 3.0 PBW ( 3000 TBW ) as system drive,and my data SSD is Intel S4510 1.92 TB with 6.5 PBW ( 6500 TBW )
S4610 1.92 TB with 9.4 PBW was too expensive for me and my wallet...
drexnx - Tuesday, August 17, 2021 - link
when I was in the market for a 2tb nvme drive 6 months ago I was disappointed the P31 wasn't available in that sizeLezmaka - Tuesday, August 17, 2021 - link
Is this line of drives one of those that the manufacturer randomly changes to a DRAM-less controller or NAND without any notice or specs update? Is there a list of those kinds of drives, I can't keep them straight?shabby - Tuesday, August 17, 2021 - link
So far only adata and crucial did that, but crucial went from tlc to qlc while adata made minor changes https://www.tomshardware.com/features/crucial-p2-s...Wereweeb - Tuesday, August 17, 2021 - link
Also PNY, and I think some years ago Kingston.Slash3 - Tuesday, August 17, 2021 - link
Crucial's was a bit more nuanced, as they never surreptitiously replaced an existing model's TLC with QLC - the BX500 you're likely referring to did use QLC for the newer, higher capacity models, but the smaller ones originally did (and still do) use TLC.https://www.reddit.com/r/NewMaxx/comments/dp463s/c...
Not quite as egregious as ADATA's shenanigans, although it should be stated that the BX500 is still a pretty poor drive - TLC or otherwise.
Slash3 - Tuesday, August 17, 2021 - link
Self-followup. Just caught wind of the Crucial P2 being switched from TLC to QLC. Way to go, Crucial. And here I thought there was no way to make that drive perform worse, but you've found a way.romrunning - Tuesday, August 17, 2021 - link
Crucial just changed their P2 drive from TLC to QLC. A much more egregious switch, performance-wise. Shame on them!Dizoja86 - Tuesday, August 17, 2021 - link
It really shouldn't be legal. It's like if you bought an Xbox Series X, noticed it was running at lower resolutions and framerates, and then found out that Microsoft had decided to stick Xbox Series S hardware in the system without letting consumers know.Wereweeb - Tuesday, August 17, 2021 - link
Who's gonna stop a multi-billion dollar company when we barely even have real unions, lolartifex - Tuesday, August 17, 2021 - link
I wonder if the new one is much hotter in laptop use?Wereweeb - Tuesday, August 17, 2021 - link
Same controller, so no.E.g. in this benchmark you can see that quadrupling the amount of NAND and DRAM only increased the power consumption by 20% for the Sabrent Rocket Q: https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/TZUQfSrN6PrZfwPK...
Not every SSD will scale the same way, but within the same generation, family and especially product stack, the controller (And with it the PCIe gen and presence/absence of DRAM) tends to be the decisive factor for power consumption
Pabula - Saturday, August 28, 2021 - link
This is imo the best NVME/SSD for laptops, among the most efficient and still performs really well. Most NVME SSDs PCIe 4.0 will overheat / throttle on a laptop, this where the P31 imo shines.Contrabondo - Sunday, August 29, 2021 - link
What is the size of the DRAM cache? how many TLC layers?