That could lead some enterprise folk to risk buying it.
SSD vendors don't want that, they want neatly segmented product lines so they can make bank off enterprise consumers who are willing to pay more for a fully featured SSD.
I've seen indirection tables corrupted in laptops that lost power and sometimes its difficult to recover the drive (most of the time chkdsk will get things back up and running.) Even a BSOD at the wrong time can trash a drive because NVMe SSD's use system ram as their cache, though it's not clear if PLP would aid this during a kernel stop error.
This wasn't as much of a problem with SATA HDD's and even SSD's because not only did they have tiny caches, but most of the time they were just read caches...write caches were software managed by Windows (or whatever OS you had) and that is not the case with drives now transferring 7GB\sec
SSD controllers and RAM like to run cool, but flash memory likes to run hot.
due to various factors, like GPU proximity to SSD, and not running at full speed all the time, it turns out a heat sponge is perfectly fine for consumer grade SSDs.
Exactly. It's somewhat similar to how they use engine coolant to heat up the oil in modern vehicles with oil "coolers" which are actually oil "warmers" to get oil hot as quickly as possible where it is most effective. It takes longer to heat oil than water\antifreeze because oil has a higher viscosity and more thermal density, so it will always warm up slower than coolant.
Not a perfect analogy but the idea is to spread the heat out as a balancing act because some things prefer to be hot.
Perhaps I already took a look already and I know what the spectrum of color means and I don't see why any hardware company should promote things like this. Unless there are a lot of gays in the board. I am not threatened by anything...it just isn't the right place to promote a type of degenerative sexuality.
"This has has an ideal target market in the gaming segment, with the fast load times making a visible difference in the user experience"
Does it though? TechPowerUp usually does a few game level load tests in their SSD reviews, and the difference across all of the SSDs is usually on the orders of tens of seconds. Even between PCIe 3 and 4 drives. I don't know why, but in their tests it doesn't seem to matter.
A lot of stuff isn't really well-optimized for high bandwidth storage, just like having a dual-core CPU didn't do a lot for a while.
We're starting to see this become a thing on the new generation game consoles, like the pause-and-resume features I've seen demoed on the PS5. You can switch between multiple AAA titles that took MINUTES to load previously in a couple seconds... but it needs a better understanding of how to use the resources.
Microsoft recently updated Forza Horizon 4 to work better on the Series X and the game now loads about 75% faster on my desktop PC. It's just a matter of figuring out what we can do now.
This is a reasonable point, but my counter to it is always the same: hardware costs tend to drop over time, so I'll invest in the hardware *after* the use case is proven, not before.
As it stands, there's barely any advantage to having even a crappy NVMe drive over SATA, let alone one of the expensive high-speed drives.
at $500 bux for a 2TB drive good luck selling those. Thats more than a 980 pro at msrp even , not to mention that a high end 2TB can be found for $300 ish on sale. We shall see when they are actually out.
So sounds like this’ll be PERFECT for the PS5 internal NVME SSD slot! Glad it comes in 4TB, as the only other option I’ve seen is the Sabrent Rocket Plus 4TB. Western Digital’s SN850 seems to top out at 2TB, and has slower write speeds of 7000MB/s and 5300MB/s…
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willis936 - Wednesday, June 23, 2021 - link
This looks like a great product. I wish this line (or really any consumer line, really) came with PLP.Wereweeb - Wednesday, June 23, 2021 - link
That could lead some enterprise folk to risk buying it.SSD vendors don't want that, they want neatly segmented product lines so they can make bank off enterprise consumers who are willing to pay more for a fully featured SSD.
Mikewind Dale - Wednesday, June 23, 2021 - link
I also wish consumer SSDs came with power-loss protection. But I wonder, how necessary is PLP if one has a UPS?Samus - Thursday, June 24, 2021 - link
I've seen indirection tables corrupted in laptops that lost power and sometimes its difficult to recover the drive (most of the time chkdsk will get things back up and running.) Even a BSOD at the wrong time can trash a drive because NVMe SSD's use system ram as their cache, though it's not clear if PLP would aid this during a kernel stop error.This wasn't as much of a problem with SATA HDD's and even SSD's because not only did they have tiny caches, but most of the time they were just read caches...write caches were software managed by Windows (or whatever OS you had) and that is not the case with drives now transferring 7GB\sec
back2future - Friday, June 25, 2021 - link
that's about 10-24TB/h or 2.5-8.5 days towards write endurance number, if there's no bandwidth limit controlled by OS or hardwareLord of the Bored - Wednesday, June 23, 2021 - link
Wait... exactly how useful is a heatsink with no fins, anyways? This seems like a poor cooling design unless I'm missing something important.meacupla - Wednesday, June 23, 2021 - link
SSD controllers and RAM like to run cool, but flash memory likes to run hot.due to various factors, like GPU proximity to SSD, and not running at full speed all the time, it turns out a heat sponge is perfectly fine for consumer grade SSDs.
Samus - Thursday, June 24, 2021 - link
Exactly. It's somewhat similar to how they use engine coolant to heat up the oil in modern vehicles with oil "coolers" which are actually oil "warmers" to get oil hot as quickly as possible where it is most effective. It takes longer to heat oil than water\antifreeze because oil has a higher viscosity and more thermal density, so it will always warm up slower than coolant.Not a perfect analogy but the idea is to spread the heat out as a balancing act because some things prefer to be hot.
Exodite - Thursday, June 24, 2021 - link
Nice!Now they just need to shift prices one step to the right and they might have an actually interesting product on their hands.
shabby - Thursday, June 24, 2021 - link
These are mlc prices 😂Wereweeb - Thursday, June 24, 2021 - link
PCIe 4.0 tax. And it's a GAMING SSD. It also has FIRE and a FISH in the name. Plus, it's dyed black! All those things increase price.shabby - Thursday, June 24, 2021 - link
Where's the rgb huh?!?Hxx - Thursday, June 24, 2021 - link
its not a fish bro its a fire breathing dragon....fish thing. Dragon is better than fish so +$50 right there lmaoyeeeeman - Thursday, June 24, 2021 - link
judging by their new facebook logo, they should rename Seagate to Sea Gay T.evilspoons - Thursday, June 24, 2021 - link
Perhaps you should take a deeper look into why you seem so threatened by a spectrum instead of a solid colour.yeeeeman - Saturday, June 26, 2021 - link
Perhaps I already took a look already and I know what the spectrum of color means and I don't see why any hardware company should promote things like this. Unless there are a lot of gays in the board. I am not threatened by anything...it just isn't the right place to promote a type of degenerative sexuality.Mr Perfect - Thursday, June 24, 2021 - link
"This has has an ideal target market in the gaming segment, with the fast load times making a visible difference in the user experience"Does it though? TechPowerUp usually does a few game level load tests in their SSD reviews, and the difference across all of the SSDs is usually on the orders of tens of seconds. Even between PCIe 3 and 4 drives. I don't know why, but in their tests it doesn't seem to matter.
Mr Perfect - Thursday, June 24, 2021 - link
Sorry, meant to say tenths of seconds. Fractions of seconds. The numbers after the decimal place.I should have proofed my comment better before hitting submit.
evilspoons - Thursday, June 24, 2021 - link
A lot of stuff isn't really well-optimized for high bandwidth storage, just like having a dual-core CPU didn't do a lot for a while.We're starting to see this become a thing on the new generation game consoles, like the pause-and-resume features I've seen demoed on the PS5. You can switch between multiple AAA titles that took MINUTES to load previously in a couple seconds... but it needs a better understanding of how to use the resources.
Microsoft recently updated Forza Horizon 4 to work better on the Series X and the game now loads about 75% faster on my desktop PC. It's just a matter of figuring out what we can do now.
Spunjji - Friday, June 25, 2021 - link
This is a reasonable point, but my counter to it is always the same: hardware costs tend to drop over time, so I'll invest in the hardware *after* the use case is proven, not before.As it stands, there's barely any advantage to having even a crappy NVMe drive over SATA, let alone one of the expensive high-speed drives.
FXi - Thursday, June 24, 2021 - link
Too hot for notebook use?Hxx - Thursday, June 24, 2021 - link
at $500 bux for a 2TB drive good luck selling those. Thats more than a 980 pro at msrp even , not to mention that a high end 2TB can be found for $300 ish on sale. We shall see when they are actually out.Daniel and Yuka - Saturday, July 3, 2021 - link
So sounds like this’ll be PERFECT for the PS5 internal NVME SSD slot! Glad it comes in 4TB, as the only other option I’ve seen is the Sabrent Rocket Plus 4TB. Western Digital’s SN850 seems to top out at 2TB, and has slower write speeds of 7000MB/s and 5300MB/s…