it might have to do with the yields, since the ga102 is a big die and samsung is not that experienced compared to tsmc. the 3090 was way expensive for such a small improvement over 3080 and now seems like 3080ti follows a similar trend.
These new cards are simply an excuse to raise MSRPs. They could have just continued to sell out of 3070s and 3080s, blue they have these that they're going to sell for a lot more.
‘These new cards are simply an excuse to raise MSRPs.’
MSI and others already did that. But, I agree that there is nothing of value for consumers to see here — just more of the same symptoms of lack of adequate competition in multiple areas of tech, compounded by unnecessary extra competition due to the ‘console’ scam.
that price table is such a lie. Bought a 3070 last month from a legit webshop in Europe and had to pay €1400. MSRP €499, don't let me laugh. Today that same webshop has 3070 available starting at €1540. 3080 is above €2000...
this unheard of... never experienced this, ever...
I don't think you understand what MSRP means. It's a suggested price, retailers can charge more. Supply/demand is so out of balance right now, retailers are putting massive markups on them as they sell immediately.
"...coming in June"? More like being paper launched to reviewers, and if you're actually stupid enough to buy one, you might get it before Christmas. No promises on the latter part though.
Upgraded cards would have been TSMC 6/5nm IMHO, but whatever. ;) Not interested in sam8 when TSMC 5 around the block or even curiously Intel 6nm TSMC could be good depending on watts etc. If it really runs like a 3070ti or so, with 6nm TSMC watts vs. samsung 8nm NV, it could be very interesting. Will QSV be usable on this card? That would make some rippers like me happy, if quality is above my old chips. QSV still blocky in parts on 4700K, haven't tested 8700k yet but guessing no change based on specs, not sure why you guys never cover QUALITY of QSV from chip to chip. You used to discuss this, and if quality is good, it is VERY fast so I'd be very interested in an Intel gpu maybe (can't believe I just said that, I lived through selling i740 etc).
NV should charge more while you can. No point in letting people 3x-4x your price point when you can take it yourself and create even better tech next round. SCALP it all yourself. AMD and Intel too. The extra money should be the maker, not the retailer ripping us off (they just stick it on a shelf, have nothing to do with making it), etc. Ebay people won't spend a dime of that mass extra cash on R&D for your next gpu. So as you can clearly see, they need to RAISE MSRP themselves and start selling the chips to board makers for 3-4x prices! It's called supply and demand. Nobody here too biz101? This isn't rocket surgery ;) Price what the market will bear, PERIOD and ALWAYS if possible. That is the goal, which hopefully leads to lots of NET INCOME.
1. Dismissing a product based on the node it is manufactured on is pedantic - what matters is what you get for your money. Funny how your second paragraph kind of wholly counters this point. 2. QSV is Intel technology, why would it be discussed in an NVIDIA piece?
Well, it isn't. 3090 doesn't have any of the qualities that Titan cards of the past had, like driver support. 3090 is the new xx80ti, and they just moved everything else down the product stack. So this new 3080ti is really just a "xx80 super".
Sure, but it's not like Nvidia doesn't choose what drivers to write/release for each card. They could easily produce pro-level 3090 drivers but is choosing not to; the only reason I can think of to go for the 3090 over the 3080 was for like, video editing where the RAM is a big deal.
Ever since this shortage the Big three spends every article lecturing us on each development in film details several times a day. Maybe they're hinting that we should pay close attention to the specs in case consumers have to learn and practice R&D since the semi-fab industry will be frozen for decades. 3D printers will be the ultimate DIY for electronics production or wait for ages until things start to normalized again.
I don’t want another obscenely overpriced gpu on the market. Bring out the 3050 ti already so at least more people can buy something at msrp (since it’ll likely be useless for mining).
By the time these cards are readily available at anything close to MSRP without requiring me also buying a tent and temporarily living outside a retailer, the 4000-series will be slated to come out. I get it, it's news, it's newsworthy, there's got to be stuff to write about, etc etc., but seriously this is starting to feel like the average person reading about the latest Ferrari car to come out.. who gives a s*** if it isn't something anyone can get? And it's just treated like everything else, "Oh well, what can you do.."
No one ever does anything to really solve any problems, so yea expect this wait for graphics cards to last AT LEAST another year (also if you trust the companies' estimates on how long it'll last, you aren't paying close enough attention; you're not the party they're interested in, their shareholders are).
Yeah the whole industry is a big joke. I gave up on ever getting a new GPU.
This is the equivalent of showing everyone the Konigsegg Jesco and telling us it has 1600HP, is all carbon fiber, and can do over 300Mph. Then in the same article telling us it costs over 3 million each and they are all sold out. There's no point for us to even care.
Not everyone looks at GPU reviews because they want to get a card directly, a lot of people look at pre-builts and those have had better availability at reasonable prices.
Very high price increase over 3080 for minimal gains. Precisely 71% price increase for 10-15% max, do not remember how 1080 to 1080Ti fared but that card was a solid GPU and still is due to it's pricing.
Now AIB cards will be highly expensive vs 3090 FE. MSRP rate of FE without any sort of LHR castration on all cards make them much better buy since there's very low perf gains with AIB cards. Maybe better cooling ? Also they are using dual slot design for this, I wonder how the GA102 like this will handle, why is Nvidia doing this ? 3090 probably gets hot and this also will get hot with that FE design of 3080.
Anyways this will make AIB pricing at $1700, probably even more. However since all cards are out of the damn stock no idea who is this for, unless the crypto crashes this PC DIY GPU market is sadly dead, people who were saying LHR Is a welcome move, look at the hash rate, 68MH/s that's equal to AMD Radeon RDNA2 top cards so nope this is not going to stay on shelf at all. Period. And bonus is AIB buyers for more cash get a gimped GPU.
Also for a new buyer this is the best card, esp who runs Win7 this card will provide the best rasterization and for dual boot Win10 RT only tech is future ready. Big unfortunate part is Nvidia killed NVLink for 3080Ti this year. A big damn fcking shame, they could have left it but 3090 is the only card which has that now.
Holy cow I totally missed that this card doesn't have NVLink! I would of been convinced of the $1,200 price point if it had the same graphical processing unit as the RTX 3090 and had Just less VRAM. Having a graphical processing unit that is in between the 3080 and 3090 AND have half the VRAM is not worth $500 more!
I'd be happy if I could buy a graphics card from the existing range, let alone wait for these which will doubtlessly be gobbled up by cryptominers with the rare remaining card left in stock being sold at an obscene markup. The fact that the new build that I made with a 5800X CPU has to be held back by an RTX 2060 which cost me far more than it should have still annoys me far more than it should.
Seems like the move here is to give AIB partners a higher MSRP they can hit for not that much extra cash outlay; it wouldn't surprise me if the 3070 Ti cards just use the 3080 PCB/cooling solutions.
The GPU shortage predates the current mining boom, suggesting that there's a lot of pent-up demand amongst gamers (and other non-mining GPU users) enough to sustain "scalper prices" even on the hash-limited cards for a period of time, but it at least decreases the demand side somewhat.
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lemurbutton - Tuesday, June 1, 2021 - link
Why does the 3080 Ti cost 71% more than the 3080? Seems like a huge step up in price.If both cards are available, you'd have to be a little mental to buy the 3080 Ti.
lemurbutton - Tuesday, June 1, 2021 - link
I should add that Nvidia can charge $2000 for the 3080 Ti and it'd still be sold out for months in this market.Not blaming Nvidia.
yeeeeman - Tuesday, June 1, 2021 - link
it might have to do with the yields, since the ga102 is a big die and samsung is not that experienced compared to tsmc. the 3090 was way expensive for such a small improvement over 3080 and now seems like 3080ti follows a similar trend.evilpaul666 - Tuesday, June 1, 2021 - link
These new cards are simply an excuse to raise MSRPs. They could have just continued to sell out of 3070s and 3080s, blue they have these that they're going to sell for a lot more.Oxford Guy - Thursday, June 3, 2021 - link
‘These new cards are simply an excuse to raise MSRPs.’MSI and others already did that. But, I agree that there is nothing of value for consumers to see here — just more of the same symptoms of lack of adequate competition in multiple areas of tech, compounded by unnecessary extra competition due to the ‘console’ scam.
Qasar - Sunday, June 6, 2021 - link
ahh there another mention of that console scam BS.could to post a link where you get this BS garbage from ?
alefsin - Tuesday, June 1, 2021 - link
The article compares the 3080 Ti and 3090, but the table misses the specs of 3090. Maybe it would nice to include it as well.jmke - Tuesday, June 1, 2021 - link
that price table is such a lie. Bought a 3070 last month from a legit webshop in Europe and had to pay €1400. MSRP €499, don't let me laugh. Today that same webshop has 3070 available starting at €1540. 3080 is above €2000...this unheard of... never experienced this, ever...
Gigaplex - Tuesday, June 1, 2021 - link
I don't think you understand what MSRP means. It's a suggested price, retailers can charge more. Supply/demand is so out of balance right now, retailers are putting massive markups on them as they sell immediately.Oxford Guy - Thursday, June 3, 2021 - link
So, the grand insight is that MSRP is as worthless as Intel TDP?SaturnusDK - Tuesday, June 1, 2021 - link
"...coming in June"? More like being paper launched to reviewers, and if you're actually stupid enough to buy one, you might get it before Christmas. No promises on the latter part though.M O B - Thursday, June 3, 2021 - link
I bought one just now via Newegg shuffle for $1,199.frbeckenbauer - Tuesday, June 1, 2021 - link
"coming"shabby - Tuesday, June 1, 2021 - link
to a scalper near you!Oxford Guy - Thursday, June 3, 2021 - link
Like MSI?TheJian - Tuesday, June 1, 2021 - link
Upgraded cards would have been TSMC 6/5nm IMHO, but whatever. ;) Not interested in sam8 when TSMC 5 around the block or even curiously Intel 6nm TSMC could be good depending on watts etc. If it really runs like a 3070ti or so, with 6nm TSMC watts vs. samsung 8nm NV, it could be very interesting. Will QSV be usable on this card? That would make some rippers like me happy, if quality is above my old chips. QSV still blocky in parts on 4700K, haven't tested 8700k yet but guessing no change based on specs, not sure why you guys never cover QUALITY of QSV from chip to chip. You used to discuss this, and if quality is good, it is VERY fast so I'd be very interested in an Intel gpu maybe (can't believe I just said that, I lived through selling i740 etc).NV should charge more while you can. No point in letting people 3x-4x your price point when you can take it yourself and create even better tech next round. SCALP it all yourself. AMD and Intel too. The extra money should be the maker, not the retailer ripping us off (they just stick it on a shelf, have nothing to do with making it), etc. Ebay people won't spend a dime of that mass extra cash on R&D for your next gpu. So as you can clearly see, they need to RAISE MSRP themselves and start selling the chips to board makers for 3-4x prices! It's called supply and demand. Nobody here too biz101? This isn't rocket surgery ;) Price what the market will bear, PERIOD and ALWAYS if possible. That is the goal, which hopefully leads to lots of NET INCOME.
Spoelie - Monday, June 7, 2021 - link
1. Dismissing a product based on the node it is manufactured on is pedantic - what matters is what you get for your money. Funny how your second paragraph kind of wholly counters this point.2. QSV is Intel technology, why would it be discussed in an NVIDIA piece?
Dahak - Tuesday, June 1, 2021 - link
Sad that the 3070 TI did not get a Memory Capacity Increase. I would have preferred that over the memory speed increase.Might just hold out for the 4xxx series release as I cant seem to get a 3070 anyway and probably wont be able to get a 3070 TI
nandnandnand - Tuesday, June 1, 2021 - link
3070 Ti: The Best 7% Money Can Buydiceman2037 - Wednesday, June 2, 2021 - link
Micron is not producing 2GB GDDR6x at the momentGigaplex - Tuesday, June 1, 2021 - link
"and it comes with the impression that some part of NVIDIA would like to retroactively make the RTX 3090 a Titan card rather than a GeForce card"Most reviewers I've seen have called the 3090 a Titan equivalent from the beginning.
SaturnusDK - Tuesday, June 1, 2021 - link
Well, it isn't. 3090 doesn't have any of the qualities that Titan cards of the past had, like driver support. 3090 is the new xx80ti, and they just moved everything else down the product stack. So this new 3080ti is really just a "xx80 super".sing_electric - Wednesday, June 2, 2021 - link
Sure, but it's not like Nvidia doesn't choose what drivers to write/release for each card. They could easily produce pro-level 3090 drivers but is choosing not to; the only reason I can think of to go for the 3090 over the 3080 was for like, video editing where the RAM is a big deal.TheHughMan - Tuesday, June 1, 2021 - link
Ever since this shortage the Big three spends every article lecturing us on each development in film details several times a day. Maybe they're hinting that we should pay close attention to the specs in case consumers have to learn and practice R&D since the semi-fab industry will be frozen for decades. 3D printers will be the ultimate DIY for electronics production or wait for ages until things start to normalized again.euskalzabe - Tuesday, June 1, 2021 - link
I don’t want another obscenely overpriced gpu on the market. Bring out the 3050 ti already so at least more people can buy something at msrp (since it’ll likely be useless for mining).leadgeneral - Tuesday, June 1, 2021 - link
3080ti looks like a win win purchase. I hope that I can buy it for good price before it goes mad on amazon.com or <a href="https://www.newegg.com/">newegg.com</a&...J3EBS - Tuesday, June 1, 2021 - link
By the time these cards are readily available at anything close to MSRP without requiring me also buying a tent and temporarily living outside a retailer, the 4000-series will be slated to come out. I get it, it's news, it's newsworthy, there's got to be stuff to write about, etc etc., but seriously this is starting to feel like the average person reading about the latest Ferrari car to come out.. who gives a s*** if it isn't something anyone can get? And it's just treated like everything else, "Oh well, what can you do.."No one ever does anything to really solve any problems, so yea expect this wait for graphics cards to last AT LEAST another year (also if you trust the companies' estimates on how long it'll last, you aren't paying close enough attention; you're not the party they're interested in, their shareholders are).
cmdrdredd - Wednesday, June 2, 2021 - link
Yeah the whole industry is a big joke. I gave up on ever getting a new GPU.This is the equivalent of showing everyone the Konigsegg Jesco and telling us it has 1600HP, is all carbon fiber, and can do over 300Mph. Then in the same article telling us it costs over 3 million each and they are all sold out. There's no point for us to even care.
sing_electric - Wednesday, June 2, 2021 - link
Not everyone looks at GPU reviews because they want to get a card directly, a lot of people look at pre-builts and those have had better availability at reasonable prices.Silver5urfer - Tuesday, June 1, 2021 - link
Very high price increase over 3080 for minimal gains. Precisely 71% price increase for 10-15% max, do not remember how 1080 to 1080Ti fared but that card was a solid GPU and still is due to it's pricing.Now AIB cards will be highly expensive vs 3090 FE. MSRP rate of FE without any sort of LHR castration on all cards make them much better buy since there's very low perf gains with AIB cards. Maybe better cooling ? Also they are using dual slot design for this, I wonder how the GA102 like this will handle, why is Nvidia doing this ? 3090 probably gets hot and this also will get hot with that FE design of 3080.
Anyways this will make AIB pricing at $1700, probably even more. However since all cards are out of the damn stock no idea who is this for, unless the crypto crashes this PC DIY GPU market is sadly dead, people who were saying LHR Is a welcome move, look at the hash rate, 68MH/s that's equal to AMD Radeon RDNA2 top cards so nope this is not going to stay on shelf at all. Period. And bonus is AIB buyers for more cash get a gimped GPU.
Also for a new buyer this is the best card, esp who runs Win7 this card will provide the best rasterization and for dual boot Win10 RT only tech is future ready. Big unfortunate part is Nvidia killed NVLink for 3080Ti this year. A big damn fcking shame, they could have left it but 3090 is the only card which has that now.
RomanPixel - Tuesday, June 1, 2021 - link
Holy cow I totally missed that this card doesn't have NVLink! I would of been convinced of the $1,200 price point if it had the same graphical processing unit as the RTX 3090 and had Just less VRAM. Having a graphical processing unit that is in between the 3080 and 3090 AND have half the VRAM is not worth $500 more!Qasar - Tuesday, June 1, 2021 - link
sli is dead (as is crossfire ) any way, so what difference does it make ?Oxford Guy - Thursday, June 3, 2021 - link
The 970 scam already played out. : )maus92 - Tuesday, June 1, 2021 - link
Lol, I've been trying to get a 3080 since January. Unless the manufacturers sell direct to consumers, it'll be 2023 before I'll be able to score one.grizewald - Tuesday, June 1, 2021 - link
I'd be happy if I could buy a graphics card from the existing range, let alone wait for these which will doubtlessly be gobbled up by cryptominers with the rare remaining card left in stock being sold at an obscene markup.The fact that the new build that I made with a 5800X CPU has to be held back by an RTX 2060 which cost me far more than it should have still annoys me far more than it should.
[email protected] - Tuesday, June 1, 2021 - link
You can't buy them, so who cares?Peskarik - Tuesday, June 1, 2021 - link
you can buy them, you just have to pay for the pleasurecmdrdredd - Wednesday, June 2, 2021 - link
No, you can't buy them. Bots can and you won't ever see stock.shabby - Tuesday, June 1, 2021 - link
Whats the point of the 3070 Ti when 3080 is "only" $100 more?sing_electric - Wednesday, June 2, 2021 - link
It'll probably be midway in performance between the 3070 and the 3080, so being halfway between them in prices seems about right ot me?diceman2037 - Wednesday, June 2, 2021 - link
I'm pretty convinced the 3070ti is a cut back GA102 since the GA104 at full spec shouldn't be able to consume more than 250w.madwolfa - Wednesday, June 2, 2021 - link
I've stopped even bothering at this point. Wake me up when any of this is actually in stock.Oxford Guy - Thursday, June 3, 2021 - link
In stock at the low low price of $5000.sing_electric - Wednesday, June 2, 2021 - link
Seems like the move here is to give AIB partners a higher MSRP they can hit for not that much extra cash outlay; it wouldn't surprise me if the 3070 Ti cards just use the 3080 PCB/cooling solutions.The GPU shortage predates the current mining boom, suggesting that there's a lot of pent-up demand amongst gamers (and other non-mining GPU users) enough to sustain "scalper prices" even on the hash-limited cards for a period of time, but it at least decreases the demand side somewhat.
ultimatebob - Wednesday, June 2, 2021 - link
Seriously, who cares? We'll probably never be able to buy one of these new for anywhere near MSRP.Oxford Guy - Thursday, June 3, 2021 - link
MSI might care, since it looked bad for basically raised its prices to match EBay scalpers.Dug - Thursday, June 3, 2021 - link
Can't wait for a review instead of constant ads and twitter talk that nobody cares about.zakelwe - Thursday, June 3, 2021 - link
Is this just going to be reporting a news story ,which I can do, or a video card review like in the good old days with Anand!What is the background why you can bring longer divided card reviews??? It is quite an interesting segment for viewers after all
You are going to lose another reader at this rate. Ian can only carry you so far Ryan my old mate....
LawRecords - Tuesday, June 8, 2021 - link
Why doesn't Anandtech review graphics cards anymore? Everyone else has a 3080 Ti review up. I recall that they didn't do a 3080 review either.TelstarTOS - Wednesday, June 23, 2021 - link
Why you dint review them?