Really disappointed. Was looking to build a PC this year as my aged Phenom ii x4 doesn't is no longer supported by the latest versions of PhotoShop.
Held out for the 4700g from AMD and no luck. Then got excited about the 5700G and now I still can't buy one.
At this point I'll probably go Intel 11700k as it has what I need right now (Good MultiCore with iGPU). Would have liked the AMD with better iGPU but they make it so I cannot buy!
I think the real value is the i5-11400. Microcenter has it for $180 (which like everything is way over MSRP) but its actually in stock and available. It's faster than any AMD APU core-for-core due to a variety of reasons, but presumably Vega is die-heavy compared to Xe causing AMD to axe half the cache and reduced the CPU clock speed a bit. It's debatable which processor will excel in graphics tasks (I'd probably favor AMD, even though Xe is pretty impressive especially if you use QuickSync applications) but it's mostly irrelevant: desktop APU's exist to end up in low-end machines like office PC's, HTPC's and family PC's where GPU performance means nothing. The GPU cores exist to save money over buying a video card, which used to be as little as $30-$40 but currently cost at least $100 for even a crap UEFI-compatible PCIe card.
I just pulled the trigger last week and ordered a gray market 4560G. At first I cursed my timing, but then I started to wonder when we'll actually see these new Zen 3 APUs in retail channels and at what price we'll initially see them. We might not be able to nab them for less than MSRP until late 2022.
I've been extremely happy with the grey-market 4650G in my HTPC for a few months now. The CPU part is complete overkill (4c8t would have been plenty for its use) but I wanted the iGPU. It runs entirely passively most of the time, the entire system peaks at ~110W at the wall, and performance is excellent. No reason to be disappointed in getting a Renoir APU today, even if these will obviously be better still.
Even if it has more compute power I don't see how that would benefit an igpu. Somebody with that would be more interested in running triple 4k monitor setup than doing bitcoin mining and maybe playing an occasional MOBA and of course that should run cool and quiet. And I imagine that in 5 years at the latest AMD will remove the support from their driver package as they tend to do to older architectures.
Sadly Rocket Lake's back-ported XE graphics obviously had no intend behind it to change the role of iGPUs; Half the performance of Vega 11 isn't exactly flattering, but like you've said this comparison is a non-factor in real use.
No major benefit for office use? I feel like everyone here is mentally immunized to how annoying it is to work around a graphics card in a small case, but when you're servicing even just a few dozen machines it quickly becomes frustrating.
As a season IT person, I agree with you. Organizations don't want to have to order business desktops with GPUs unless they have to. Even then, they usually look at something like Dell's Precision line.
working on a dozen SFF PCs where you have to pull the GPUs out of just to access something else is annoying AF
But the performance advantage of the CPU component of Ryzen over Intel is real. Office users can't use Ryzen without a GPU. A Ryzen with an iGPU opens that door.
I agree. As all the APU’s are actually too slow for realistic gaming, AMD doesn’t have a huge advantage here except to offer a chip to actually compete with Intel at the low-end, something they need to do for market share and OEM design wins.
For the most part, unless you are playing Minecraft or something, the difference in performance between Intel 11th gen GPU’s and AMD’s 8 nerfed RDNA2 cores is negligible. As most of these OEM systems will not be used for gaming, the iGPU exists simply so OEM’s don’t need to include a video card (a very expensive component at the moment)
I mean, sure, if you're a "real gamer", then they might not be fast enough, but you can certainly play most games on them as long as a lower resolution, settings and frame rate are fine with you, and many gamers are fine with that. That's more than can be said for Intel iGPU's, which in many cases can't even offer a basic gaming experience.
These new APUs do an adequate job outside of recent FPS games so long as you keep the resolution and detail settings at sane levels. Supposedly they fall between the GT 1030 and GTX 750 in performance.
indeed. igpu are slow while needed transistors of several cpu dies. in my opinion, proper dekstop apu is intel kabylake g which has 3.7 tflops 14nm vega which is more powerful than gtx 1650. amd should make desktop apu like that. with 7nm, the igpu can be more powerful than gtx 1650 super.
Ye indeed the new UHD 730 (highest) in the 11gen Intel has gotten much better than the prev 10gen offering. We'll have to see how this iGPU stands in comparision to that for a full on iGPU showdown.
The paragraph following the 5600 variants table has the base and boost clock speed differences wrong. The 5600G has the 200MHz higher base while the 5600X has a higher boost by the same amount.
Thus the 5700G looks pretty interesting. I'd been disappointed that the 5800 Non-X was not available at retail as a lower-power part, but the 5700G might fill that roll. It has the clocks of the X (and the iGPU), but loses half the L3 and the PCIe 4.0. I'll be interested to see how it compares in real-world performance. Personally I probably would be fine with PCIe 3.0, but am curious how the cache differences will play out.
So AMD has enough silicone to supply dozens of OEMs a low end 5000G APU, OEMs but can't find enough chips to get me one 5950X that I've been waiting since November, 2020 to purchase?
Great news even though I’m covered with my i7’s. 5700G is an upgrade for me and not being a gamer my meager 2D needs will be covered. Maybe a Tiger Lake Desktop before then but if there’s no “leak” of one after this announcement I won’t hold my breath. Never thought I’d leave Intel but they’re the ones who left me with their endless 14nm added core chase game. Too damn hot for me.
I am interested in AMD's earnings call. I expect Gross Margin to be excellent as they are selling more of premium products but overall revenue growth will be hit if low to medium parts volume is not there. Chip Shortage is a terrible thing. Plus drought in Taiwan makes it terrible when we hear water is being diverted to TSMC fabs. I hope TSMC gets their US plant up soon.
'AMD made it clear that the jump from 12nm to 7nm gave them a lot of extra frequency, from 1400 MHz to 2100 MHz, which enabled them to optimize for 8 compute units of Vega on 7nm, rather than the 11 compute units on 12nm, and still give a substantial speed-up in performance. AMD’s philosophy with the APU line has been to'
give you as little as possible for your money. They want small dies which is why they cut down the parts and then clock them high. It's only efficient for their yields/margin. Radeon VII was a bad card for the same reason. Few transistors but high clocks.
Corporations are greedy by design so that's what's at the heart of their 'philosophy'.
More yields means more products for the masses. You should be in favor of that.
Yea, corporations exist to make money. They do so if they make a good product that people want to buy. Would you rather not have the opportunity to purchase one of these Zen CPU's?
Your logic is dumb as if you pay $2 for a slice of bread instead of a loaf of bread. And NO! They're not making good valuable products. They're just working together to fix prices. It doesn't matter how better a product compared to another. If, say an Intel CPU is about 80% as fast as an AMD's but costs 50% less, then that Intel CPU is a much better product.
In your capitalism world where dog eats dog or dogs gang up on sheeps. You're either a dog or a sheep. Whichever you are that'll never a good thing because when all the sheeps are gone, only prey the dogs has left is one another.
" If, say an Intel CPU is about 80% as fast as an AMD's but costs 50% less, then that Intel CPU is a much better product. " nope, if intel charged the same price as the amd cpu, while only being 80% as fast, then its not a better product. in your example, the intel cpu is priced the way it is, so it would sell, any higher, it would be better to spend the extra cash, and get the AMD cpu. with your example, that would imply that when amd was trailing intel in performance, amd had the much better product, as they cost less, while being XX% as fast as intels, your example works both ways.
Memory bandwidth is a limiting factor. Shocking I know, but stronger APUs will need DDR5. AMD went from 11 cores to 8 and wound up with a significantly faster product anyway.
Am I the only one that doesn't believe amd's promise of a retail version later? They said something similar about the 4000 apu series and we got nothing.
"AMD has surprised me in announcing its entry and mid-level processors with integrated graphics today, offering up to eight Zen 3 cores and Vega 8 graphics, but AMD is pointing out that these models are for the pre-built system market only right now. AMD has plans to enable a full retail offering for these components, but this will happen later in the year."
That's what they said about the Zen 2 APUs. Instead, they're still OEM only, and there's not a single CPU available to the retail market that is compatible with the B550 boards, most (all?) of which have video outputs. If AMD continue to do this, motherboard manufacturers are just going to forgo adding video output support.
this desktop apu will canibalize allocation for laptop apu. why amd keeps making this kind of mistake? amd should make desktop apu in kabylake g manner, i.e. add gpu dies into vermeer package. the gpu can be more powerful hence more useful too
It's not impossible that these dies are lower binned in terms of power usage, so can't be used in mobile SOCs anyway - but they're still fine for desktop. The channel will consume *anything* right now, so why not use them?
I think it’s worth noting in the article that the 4000G’s were OEM-only too. The 3200/3400G is the top APU AMD has offered for two years.
This is why Intel is killing them with non-OEM buyers building a light use PC, such as a PC for kids or an HTPC. You can’t build a cheap AMD system for under $500 because even the 2019-era 3200G is selling at $70-$80 over MSRP and the platform cost is 20-30% higher than Intel as well.
They had the Duron back then to compete with the celeron. At no time in history has AMD neglected their primary customer base - the cost conscious consumer - more than now. Frankly it makes me hate them. They have the most scalable architecture and have chosen not to scale it for their most devoted fans that can’t stomach spending $180 on one of their CPU’s that’s the same speed as Intel’s $90 equivalent.
Lack of competition is a two-fanged problem in this case.
— not enough 7nm to go around (why bother making/selling lower-margin stuff?)
— not enough competitive pressure to lead to adequate competition at the lower end
AMD is a name but it may as well be called ‘corporation’ instead. They’re all fundamentally the same. Sell the customer as little as possible for the highest possible price. When possible, make what it (the corporation) wants to sell — not what the customer wants to buy.
Glad to see the 5000G APUs at last, that 5600G looking especially attractive. AMD's APUs do a good job at reasonable settings, and for many an older game, one can get solid frame rates at high to highest settings. Before the Covid-era pricing, Raven Ridge and Picasso were brilliant from a cost point of view, saving money that would have to go towards a graphics card.
Let this be a reality check to anyone who blindly shills for a brand. AMD is practically Intel 2.0 with these high prices and artificial gutting of features to get you to buy the upper model.
Crappy Vega GPU: check. No PCIe 4.0: Check. No DIY desktop release: Check.
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Damn, I was hoping that this generation would provide pcie 4 on the APUs for faster NVMEs. https://www.techpowerup.com/cpu-specs/ryzen-7-5700... These guys wrote that it's got pcie 4, but I guess they meant it's got the "internal?" pcie 4, if it's right to say that. It will be hard to change my future rig upgrade to couple a 5800x with a discrete gpu in the forseeable future with these ridiculous prices and low stock.
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digitech - Tuesday, April 13, 2021 - link
Really disappointed. Was looking to build a PC this year as my aged Phenom ii x4 doesn't is no longer supported by the latest versions of PhotoShop.Held out for the 4700g from AMD and no luck. Then got excited about the 5700G and now I still can't buy one.
At this point I'll probably go Intel 11700k as it has what I need right now (Good MultiCore with iGPU). Would have liked the AMD with better iGPU but they make it so I cannot buy!
GoldenBullet - Tuesday, April 13, 2021 - link
If you can't wait until the retail release, go 10th gen intel, the price to performance is better than 11th gen.digitech - Tuesday, April 13, 2021 - link
Yeah I may throw the 10700k back in the mix. It's cheap enoughSamus - Saturday, April 17, 2021 - link
I think the real value is the i5-11400. Microcenter has it for $180 (which like everything is way over MSRP) but its actually in stock and available. It's faster than any AMD APU core-for-core due to a variety of reasons, but presumably Vega is die-heavy compared to Xe causing AMD to axe half the cache and reduced the CPU clock speed a bit. It's debatable which processor will excel in graphics tasks (I'd probably favor AMD, even though Xe is pretty impressive especially if you use QuickSync applications) but it's mostly irrelevant: desktop APU's exist to end up in low-end machines like office PC's, HTPC's and family PC's where GPU performance means nothing. The GPU cores exist to save money over buying a video card, which used to be as little as $30-$40 but currently cost at least $100 for even a crap UEFI-compatible PCIe card.Lucky Stripes 99 - Tuesday, April 13, 2021 - link
I just pulled the trigger last week and ordered a gray market 4560G. At first I cursed my timing, but then I started to wonder when we'll actually see these new Zen 3 APUs in retail channels and at what price we'll initially see them. We might not be able to nab them for less than MSRP until late 2022.Valantar - Wednesday, April 14, 2021 - link
I've been extremely happy with the grey-market 4650G in my HTPC for a few months now. The CPU part is complete overkill (4c8t would have been plenty for its use) but I wanted the iGPU. It runs entirely passively most of the time, the entire system peaks at ~110W at the wall, and performance is excellent. No reason to be disappointed in getting a Renoir APU today, even if these will obviously be better still.johnny_boy - Thursday, April 15, 2021 - link
You can buy a 4700g online, e.g. from ebay and China retailers directly, so no need to wait for the 5700g to be available to the non-OEM market.Qasar - Friday, April 16, 2021 - link
um yea no thanksZingam - Tuesday, April 13, 2021 - link
Everybody is excited about a Vega class GPU. The best way to beat Intel and NVIDIA out of existence.plonk420 - Tuesday, April 13, 2021 - link
i'd rather have an RDNA2 iGPU, but that might be meh until DDR5zamroni - Tuesday, April 13, 2021 - link
vega has more compute performance than rdna.as igpu has small capacity so vega might be more suitable
Zingam - Wednesday, April 14, 2021 - link
Even if it has more compute power I don't see how that would benefit an igpu. Somebody with that would be more interested in running triple 4k monitor setup than doing bitcoin mining and maybe playing an occasional MOBA and of course that should run cool and quiet.And I imagine that in 5 years at the latest AMD will remove the support from their driver package as they tend to do to older architectures.
danbob999 - Tuesday, April 13, 2021 - link
Ryzen iGPUs are too slow for real gaming, and do not provide any major benefit for office use. So Intel can still have the lead in that segment.In Canada Ryzen 3200G is $189, Intel i5-11400 is $250, i5-10400 is $210 and i3-10100 is $157. The Intel offerings are more interesting.
thsrj - Tuesday, April 13, 2021 - link
Sadly Rocket Lake's back-ported XE graphics obviously had no intend behind it to change the role of iGPUs; Half the performance of Vega 11 isn't exactly flattering, but like you've said this comparison is a non-factor in real use.digitech - Tuesday, April 13, 2021 - link
Existence & Availability are an important combination.For me Intel wins by availability alone. I refuse to pay these prices for a graphics card ATM. I mostly do Photo Editing and occasional Video work.
I really wanted to go AMD again but am no loyalist.
My main goal is to ride on an iGPU for as long as possible until prices of GPUs level out.
lmcd - Tuesday, April 13, 2021 - link
No, have you seen how massive the Rocket Lake die is? If they could have fit more EUs they would've.lmcd - Tuesday, April 13, 2021 - link
No major benefit for office use? I feel like everyone here is mentally immunized to how annoying it is to work around a graphics card in a small case, but when you're servicing even just a few dozen machines it quickly becomes frustrating.digitech - Tuesday, April 13, 2021 - link
As a season IT person, I agree with you. Organizations don't want to have to order business desktops with GPUs unless they have to. Even then, they usually look at something like Dell's Precision line.working on a dozen SFF PCs where you have to pull the GPUs out of just to access something else is annoying AF
Zingam - Wednesday, April 14, 2021 - link
You could always go to work in sewage??TheinsanegamerN - Wednesday, April 14, 2021 - link
What, and deal with a fatberg like you all day?Tams80 - Friday, April 16, 2021 - link
At least there are quality insults here.limitedaccess - Tuesday, April 13, 2021 - link
I'm pretty sure he means the performance advantage of the Ryzen iGPUs over the Intel iGPUs aren't a major benefit for office use.Gigaplex - Tuesday, April 13, 2021 - link
But the performance advantage of the CPU component of Ryzen over Intel is real. Office users can't use Ryzen without a GPU. A Ryzen with an iGPU opens that door.Samus - Wednesday, April 14, 2021 - link
I agree. As all the APU’s are actually too slow for realistic gaming, AMD doesn’t have a huge advantage here except to offer a chip to actually compete with Intel at the low-end, something they need to do for market share and OEM design wins.For the most part, unless you are playing Minecraft or something, the difference in performance between Intel 11th gen GPU’s and AMD’s 8 nerfed RDNA2 cores is negligible. As most of these OEM systems will not be used for gaming, the iGPU exists simply so OEM’s don’t need to include a video card (a very expensive component at the moment)
Murloc - Tuesday, April 13, 2021 - link
I've been playing call of duty for a year with a ryzen... not the highest FPS, but I have fun. MOBA, arena shooters and RTS games run very smoothly.ET - Tuesday, April 13, 2021 - link
Well, they're fast enough for unreal gaming. :)I mean, sure, if you're a "real gamer", then they might not be fast enough, but you can certainly play most games on them as long as a lower resolution, settings and frame rate are fine with you, and many gamers are fine with that. That's more than can be said for Intel iGPU's, which in many cases can't even offer a basic gaming experience.
plonk420 - Tuesday, April 13, 2021 - link
my 2400G doesn't really like UE games without turning graphics settings alllll the way downLucky Stripes 99 - Tuesday, April 13, 2021 - link
These new APUs do an adequate job outside of recent FPS games so long as you keep the resolution and detail settings at sane levels. Supposedly they fall between the GT 1030 and GTX 750 in performance.plonk420 - Tuesday, April 13, 2021 - link
that's pre-Zen2 APUs, tho. Zen2 (or better) will help a wee bitjay139 - Tuesday, April 13, 2021 - link
Depends on the game. I have the 4350G and it plays every game I want without any problems.Gigaplex - Tuesday, April 13, 2021 - link
The major benefit for office use, is that they can use a better CPU without having to invest in a discrete GPU.zamroni - Tuesday, April 13, 2021 - link
indeed. igpu are slow while needed transistors of several cpu dies.in my opinion, proper dekstop apu is intel kabylake g which has 3.7 tflops 14nm vega which is more powerful than gtx 1650.
amd should make desktop apu like that. with 7nm, the igpu can be more powerful than gtx 1650 super.
TheinsanegamerN - Wednesday, April 14, 2021 - link
And would perform as slow as current vega 8 due to memory bandwidth limitations.But you know, AMD should pour resources into a $700 APU with 1650 power, that nobody will buy again.
Samus - Wednesday, April 14, 2021 - link
Intel offerings aren’t just more interesting, they’re cheaper AND so is the platform.Qasar - Wednesday, April 14, 2021 - link
heh, you sure about that ?TheinsanegamerN - Wednesday, April 14, 2021 - link
"real gaming"? I suppose that only maxed out 4k call of duty is real gaming, and everything else is implied to be fake gaming?Flarin - Thursday, April 15, 2021 - link
Ye indeed the new UHD 730 (highest) in the 11gen Intel has gotten much better than the prev 10gen offering. We'll have to see how this iGPU stands in comparision to that for a full on iGPU showdown.syxbit - Tuesday, April 13, 2021 - link
Typo in Ryzen 7 5000 Variants table5800X is TDP 105W
Ryan Smith - Tuesday, April 13, 2021 - link
Thanks!dwillmore - Tuesday, April 13, 2021 - link
The paragraph following the 5600 variants table has the base and boost clock speed differences wrong. The 5600G has the 200MHz higher base while the 5600X has a higher boost by the same amount.dwillmore - Tuesday, April 13, 2021 - link
Much better, thank you.IBM760XL - Tuesday, April 13, 2021 - link
The Ryzen 7 5800X is a 105W TDP (source: https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-7-58... not 65W as stated in the table in the article.Thus the 5700G looks pretty interesting. I'd been disappointed that the 5800 Non-X was not available at retail as a lower-power part, but the 5700G might fill that roll. It has the clocks of the X (and the iGPU), but loses half the L3 and the PCIe 4.0. I'll be interested to see how it compares in real-world performance. Personally I probably would be fine with PCIe 3.0, but am curious how the cache differences will play out.
phatboye - Tuesday, April 13, 2021 - link
So AMD has enough silicone to supply dozens of OEMs a low end 5000G APU, OEMs but can't find enough chips to get me one 5950X that I've been waiting since November, 2020 to purchase?Gigaplex - Tuesday, April 13, 2021 - link
A 5950X requires much better binning than a low end APU.lmcd - Tuesday, April 13, 2021 - link
That 5600G looks like the right part. I wonder if switchable graphics with Nvidia on desktop still works!dsplover - Tuesday, April 13, 2021 - link
Great news even though I’m covered with my i7’s.5700G is an upgrade for me and not being a gamer my meager 2D needs will be covered.
Maybe a Tiger Lake Desktop before then but if there’s no “leak” of one after this announcement I won’t hold my breath.
Never thought I’d leave Intel but they’re the ones who left me with their endless 14nm added core chase game. Too damn hot for me.
trivik12 - Tuesday, April 13, 2021 - link
I am interested in AMD's earnings call. I expect Gross Margin to be excellent as they are selling more of premium products but overall revenue growth will be hit if low to medium parts volume is not there. Chip Shortage is a terrible thing. Plus drought in Taiwan makes it terrible when we hear water is being diverted to TSMC fabs. I hope TSMC gets their US plant up soon.Would we ever see Intel making AMD parts :-)
Gigaplex - Tuesday, April 13, 2021 - link
"Would we ever see Intel making AMD parts :-)"We've seen an Intel CPU with AMD graphics built in to it.
Oxford Guy - Tuesday, April 13, 2021 - link
'AMD made it clear that the jump from 12nm to 7nm gave them a lot of extra frequency, from 1400 MHz to 2100 MHz, which enabled them to optimize for 8 compute units of Vega on 7nm, rather than the 11 compute units on 12nm, and still give a substantial speed-up in performance. AMD’s philosophy with the APU line has been to'give you as little as possible for your money. They want small dies which is why they cut down the parts and then clock them high. It's only efficient for their yields/margin. Radeon VII was a bad card for the same reason. Few transistors but high clocks.
Corporations are greedy by design so that's what's at the heart of their 'philosophy'.
Thunder 57 - Tuesday, April 13, 2021 - link
More yields means more products for the masses. You should be in favor of that.Yea, corporations exist to make money. They do so if they make a good product that people want to buy. Would you rather not have the opportunity to purchase one of these Zen CPU's?
sonny73n - Wednesday, April 14, 2021 - link
Your logic is dumb as if you pay $2 for a slice of bread instead of a loaf of bread. And NO! They're not making good valuable products. They're just working together to fix prices. It doesn't matter how better a product compared to another. If, say an Intel CPU is about 80% as fast as an AMD's but costs 50% less, then that Intel CPU is a much better product.In your capitalism world where dog eats dog or dogs gang up on sheeps. You're either a dog or a sheep. Whichever you are that'll never a good thing because when all the sheeps are gone, only prey the dogs has left is one another.
Qasar - Wednesday, April 14, 2021 - link
" If, say an Intel CPU is about 80% as fast as an AMD's but costs 50% less, then that Intel CPU is a much better product. "nope, if intel charged the same price as the amd cpu, while only being 80% as fast, then its not a better product. in your example, the intel cpu is priced the way it is, so it would sell, any higher, it would be better to spend the extra cash, and get the AMD cpu. with your example, that would imply that when amd was trailing intel in performance, amd had the much better product, as they cost less, while being XX% as fast as intels, your example works both ways.
TheinsanegamerN - Wednesday, April 14, 2021 - link
Memory bandwidth is a limiting factor. Shocking I know, but stronger APUs will need DDR5. AMD went from 11 cores to 8 and wound up with a significantly faster product anyway.jay139 - Tuesday, April 13, 2021 - link
Am I the only one that doesn't believe amd's promise of a retail version later?They said something similar about the 4000 apu series and we got nothing.
Gigaplex - Tuesday, April 13, 2021 - link
"AMD has surprised me in announcing its entry and mid-level processors with integrated graphics today, offering up to eight Zen 3 cores and Vega 8 graphics, but AMD is pointing out that these models are for the pre-built system market only right now. AMD has plans to enable a full retail offering for these components, but this will happen later in the year."That's what they said about the Zen 2 APUs. Instead, they're still OEM only, and there's not a single CPU available to the retail market that is compatible with the B550 boards, most (all?) of which have video outputs. If AMD continue to do this, motherboard manufacturers are just going to forgo adding video output support.
Zizy - Wednesday, April 14, 2021 - link
Did they ever say 4xxx APUs are going to be available at retail? I recall only "we are announcing OEM only parts".zamroni - Tuesday, April 13, 2021 - link
this desktop apu will canibalize allocation for laptop apu.why amd keeps making this kind of mistake?
amd should make desktop apu in kabylake g manner, i.e. add gpu dies into vermeer package.
the gpu can be more powerful hence more useful too
Beany2013 - Thursday, April 15, 2021 - link
It's not impossible that these dies are lower binned in terms of power usage, so can't be used in mobile SOCs anyway - but they're still fine for desktop. The channel will consume *anything* right now, so why not use them?Samus - Wednesday, April 14, 2021 - link
I think it’s worth noting in the article that the 4000G’s were OEM-only too. The 3200/3400G is the top APU AMD has offered for two years.This is why Intel is killing them with non-OEM buyers building a light use PC, such as a PC for kids or an HTPC. You can’t build a cheap AMD system for under $500 because even the 2019-era 3200G is selling at $70-$80 over MSRP and the platform cost is 20-30% higher than Intel as well.
TheinsanegamerN - Wednesday, April 14, 2021 - link
AMD doesnt care about budget buyers unless they are getting pummled. Same thing happened in the mid 2000s when netburst was the best intel had.Samus - Thursday, April 15, 2021 - link
They had the Duron back then to compete with the celeron. At no time in history has AMD neglected their primary customer base - the cost conscious consumer - more than now. Frankly it makes me hate them. They have the most scalable architecture and have chosen not to scale it for their most devoted fans that can’t stomach spending $180 on one of their CPU’s that’s the same speed as Intel’s $90 equivalent.Oxford Guy - Wednesday, April 21, 2021 - link
The problem isn’t AMD, it’s lack of competition.Lack of competition is a two-fanged problem in this case.
— not enough 7nm to go around (why bother making/selling lower-margin stuff?)
— not enough competitive pressure to lead to adequate competition at the lower end
AMD is a name but it may as well be called ‘corporation’ instead. They’re all fundamentally the same. Sell the customer as little as possible for the highest possible price. When possible, make what it (the corporation) wants to sell — not what the customer wants to buy.
GeoffreyA - Wednesday, April 14, 2021 - link
Glad to see the 5000G APUs at last, that 5600G looking especially attractive. AMD's APUs do a good job at reasonable settings, and for many an older game, one can get solid frame rates at high to highest settings. Before the Covid-era pricing, Raven Ridge and Picasso were brilliant from a cost point of view, saving money that would have to go towards a graphics card.isthisavailable - Sunday, April 18, 2021 - link
Nothing about the successor to their top selling Ryzen 3600? Where is the 5600?dwade123 - Friday, April 30, 2021 - link
Let this be a reality check to anyone who blindly shills for a brand. AMD is practically Intel 2.0 with these high prices and artificial gutting of features to get you to buy the upper model.Crappy Vega GPU: check. No PCIe 4.0: Check. No DIY desktop release: Check.
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Damn, I was hoping that this generation would provide pcie 4 on the APUs for faster NVMEs.https://www.techpowerup.com/cpu-specs/ryzen-7-5700...
These guys wrote that it's got pcie 4, but I guess they meant it's got the "internal?" pcie 4, if it's right to say that.
It will be hard to change my future rig upgrade to couple a 5800x with a discrete gpu in the forseeable future with these ridiculous prices and low stock.