Good to see AMD making good margins but damn those are expensive... Luckily this isn't something I have a use for so I wouldn't even want such a thing.
Random aside those Asus Pro boards are thing of beauty.
In the sense that it exists and thus has aesthetic and if you want one you have to pay for it?
The point being aside from anodizing the heatsinks black there isn't anything on a board like this that isn't functional. In other more direct terms, none of the frivolous useless shit you see on gaming hardware.
Making the PCB black is frivolous. Putting those blocky heatsinks on rather than smaller properly functional fins is frivolous. The fixed rear IO is frivolous. If it was purely functional it'd look like a server board.
Don't think so. In server you usually do have much faster air flow than in workstation which is expected to sit next to engineer desk hence need to be enough quiet to not distract engineer's thoughts. This also mean that workstation board needs to be more carefully cooled by heatsink(s) than server board hence its look must be a bit different.
Get a clue.... this is a board that probably has hundreds of dollars in VRM components alone. Coloring the PCB black costs next to nothing, probably can't even measure it terms of cost of a single board. The fixed IO costs next to nothing and there is no more material costs, just an insignificant amount of design and assembly that adds useful functionality.
And those heatsinks; thats what they should look like for passive cooling.
Using black soldermask may not *cost* anything extra, but it is less functional. It's not exactly unheard of that following traces can be useful when debugging a problem, and black soldermask makes that much harder than standard green soldermask.
I've never heard of anyone following traces on a workstation motherboard to debug a problem. When was the last time you ever heard of that? You think the people who use these things would opt to void their warranty instead of RMA a defective board?
Not compared to Intel. Also if you have tasks that can benefit from one of these, most likely the cost of the CPU is not the largest post on your budget.
They're only "expensive" until compared with the much higher prices of the closest CPUs Intel makes to their performance levels (Intel CPUs that actually aren't very close at all in performance, remarkably.) Compared with the only competition in sight, AMD walks away with value and performance.
They could really simplify their whole supply chain by making everything but the 64 core CPU OEM! It costs a little more, but think of the ease of not having to pick the right CPU for your workload!
It's been supported since Windows 7 and Server 2008 R2. There are some concerns around Windows creating two processor groups of 64 CPUs each, and there was some discussion about the Windows 10 Enterprise scheduler having better support than Windows 10 Pro, but both work just fine. As always: Benchmark your use case. It's a significant investment, so test it thoroughly and if it doesn't meet your performance requirements, return it.
Anandtech actually went over this: https://www.anandtech.com/show/15483/amd-threadrip... - in some cases, Win 10 Pro is better, in others Enterprise was better, and that article was written a year ago, during which Microsoft did make several scheduler changes.
As said: It works just fine on either Pro or Enterprise, benchmark your specific use case.
There are such things as using the board second-hand or after the end of the warranty period. Also, I have seen the Cheapest Essay guide on this so, I take a little information from there.
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Operandi - Tuesday, March 2, 2021 - link
Good to see AMD making good margins but damn those are expensive... Luckily this isn't something I have a use for so I wouldn't even want such a thing.Random aside those Asus Pro boards are thing of beauty.
romrunning - Tuesday, March 2, 2021 - link
Those boards look like what "Pro" used to mean - beefier system parts & no bling - all business!ArcadeEngineer - Tuesday, March 2, 2021 - link
It might be 'pro' aesthetic rather a 'gamer' aesthetic but you're still paying for the aesthetic either way.Operandi - Tuesday, March 2, 2021 - link
In the sense that it exists and thus has aesthetic and if you want one you have to pay for it?The point being aside from anodizing the heatsinks black there isn't anything on a board like this that isn't functional. In other more direct terms, none of the frivolous useless shit you see on gaming hardware.
ArcadeEngineer - Tuesday, March 2, 2021 - link
Making the PCB black is frivolous. Putting those blocky heatsinks on rather than smaller properly functional fins is frivolous. The fixed rear IO is frivolous. If it was purely functional it'd look like a server board.kgardas - Tuesday, March 2, 2021 - link
Don't think so. In server you usually do have much faster air flow than in workstation which is expected to sit next to engineer desk hence need to be enough quiet to not distract engineer's thoughts. This also mean that workstation board needs to be more carefully cooled by heatsink(s) than server board hence its look must be a bit different.Operandi - Tuesday, March 2, 2021 - link
Get a clue.... this is a board that probably has hundreds of dollars in VRM components alone. Coloring the PCB black costs next to nothing, probably can't even measure it terms of cost of a single board. The fixed IO costs next to nothing and there is no more material costs, just an insignificant amount of design and assembly that adds useful functionality.And those heatsinks; thats what they should look like for passive cooling.
Dolda2000 - Wednesday, March 3, 2021 - link
Using black soldermask may not *cost* anything extra, but it is less functional. It's not exactly unheard of that following traces can be useful when debugging a problem, and black soldermask makes that much harder than standard green soldermask.Abe Dillon - Wednesday, March 3, 2021 - link
I've never heard of anyone following traces on a workstation motherboard to debug a problem. When was the last time you ever heard of that? You think the people who use these things would opt to void their warranty instead of RMA a defective board?Dolda2000 - Wednesday, March 3, 2021 - link
There are such things as using the board second-hand or after the end of the warranty period.kaidenshi - Sunday, March 7, 2021 - link
"The fixed rear IO is frivolous."Now I know you're trolling.
biostud - Tuesday, March 2, 2021 - link
Not compared to Intel. Also if you have tasks that can benefit from one of these, most likely the cost of the CPU is not the largest post on your budget.eek2121 - Tuesday, March 2, 2021 - link
Cheaper than Xeons for the core count.WaltC - Tuesday, March 2, 2021 - link
They're only "expensive" until compared with the much higher prices of the closest CPUs Intel makes to their performance levels (Intel CPUs that actually aren't very close at all in performance, remarkably.) Compared with the only competition in sight, AMD walks away with value and performance.Mr Perfect - Tuesday, March 2, 2021 - link
A little disappointed the 12 core is OEM only. Why does AMD ignore users who need memory bandwidth and IO, but not cores?rnalsation - Tuesday, March 2, 2021 - link
I guess people will just have to buy the 16 core. Oh no!Mr Perfect - Thursday, March 4, 2021 - link
They could really simplify their whole supply chain by making everything but the 64 core CPU OEM! It costs a little more, but think of the ease of not having to pick the right CPU for your workload!Supercell99 - Tuesday, March 2, 2021 - link
Maybe we will see some actually widespread availability in 2025.lmcd - Tuesday, March 2, 2021 - link
This uses Zen 2 dies that are still readily available at MSRP. Please. Shut up.Makaveli - Tuesday, March 2, 2021 - link
Amen!Cooperdale - Tuesday, March 2, 2021 - link
What about Windows support for 64/128? Are at least Enterprise versions supporting this now?MenhirMike - Tuesday, March 2, 2021 - link
It's been supported since Windows 7 and Server 2008 R2. There are some concerns around Windows creating two processor groups of 64 CPUs each, and there was some discussion about the Windows 10 Enterprise scheduler having better support than Windows 10 Pro, but both work just fine. As always: Benchmark your use case. It's a significant investment, so test it thoroughly and if it doesn't meet your performance requirements, return it.MenhirMike - Tuesday, March 2, 2021 - link
Anandtech actually went over this: https://www.anandtech.com/show/15483/amd-threadrip... - in some cases, Win 10 Pro is better, in others Enterprise was better, and that article was written a year ago, during which Microsoft did make several scheduler changes.As said: It works just fine on either Pro or Enterprise, benchmark your specific use case.
domih - Tuesday, March 2, 2021 - link
I'll buy two.This one built from NewEgg.com components can be had for the low price of $19,084.71
CPU 64C/128T
7 x PCIe 4.0/3.0 x16 slot
1 TB of memory
2 TB NVMe
18 TB x 2 in RAID 1
2 x Workstation Video Cards
10 GbE Networking
ASUS Pro WS WRX80E-SAGE SE WIFI sWRX8 AMD WRX80 $999.99 1 $999.99
AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 3995WX 64-Core 2.7 GHz Socket sWRX8 280W $5,489.99 1 $5,489.99
512GB Kit 4x128GB DDR4-3200 PC4-25600 8Rx4 ECC Load Reduced Memory by Nemix Ram $4,236.99 2 $8,473.98
Corsair MP600 Pro M.2 2280 2TB PCIe Gen 4.0 x4, NVMe 1.4 3D TLC $459.99 1 $459.99
WD Ultrastar DC HC550 18 TB Hard Drive 3.5" Internal 512MB SATA 7200rpm 512E SE NP3 DC HC550 0F38459 $432.99 2 $865.98
PC Power & Cooling Silencer Series 1200 Watt, 80 Plus Platinum, Fully-Modular, FPS1200-A5M00 $289.99 1 $289.99
AMD Radeon Pro W5700 100-506085 8GB 256-bit GDDR6 PCI Express 4.0 x16 Workstation Video Card $1,116.90 2 $2,233.80
Thermaltake Tower 900 Snow Edition Tempered Glass Fully Modular E-ATX Vtower Chassis CA-1H1-00F6WN-00 $270.99 1 $270.99
Total $19,084.71
KingGheedora - Wednesday, March 3, 2021 - link
That appears to be a single socket motherboardphoenix_rizzen - Monday, March 8, 2021 - link
Aren't all TR motherboards single-socket? As in, TR is a single-socket CPU.EPYC supports dual-socket.
bobsmith1492 - Wednesday, March 3, 2021 - link
Just ordered a 3975wx to build... should be fun! This release was just in time to keep me from buying the Lenovo P620.bmartinmd - Saturday, March 6, 2021 - link
Do the new WRX80-based motherboards support the 3990X?MariaSmith - Tuesday, March 9, 2021 - link
There are such things as using the board second-hand or after the end of the warranty period. Also, I have seen the Cheapest Essay guide on this so, I take a little information from there.