With pricing like that for both motherboards and cpus, and good availability Intel is becoming a great value option. Personally I don't see why I'd choose AMD cpu in 200-350USD bracket with local prices.
@ballsystemlord: Or in other words how AMD starts price gouging and becoming more anti-consumer. How the "value brand" is now too expensive for the average customers.
(not disagreeing with you. Just showing the other side of the reality.)
If it wasn't for AMD you might be in one of these Intel "value" motherboards, only you'd be paying 2x-3x as much for it....like you were about 4 years ago, remember? And there's no question that if it wasn't for AMD you'd be paying *huge sums* for ~14nm++++++++++++++++++++ CPUs Intel is selling now for bargain-basement prices *because* of AMD. Don't you realize that if not for AMD you'd be paying more, though the nose, for inferior components? Have you even checked to see that Z590 motherboards are ~$1k and up and can't even provide system-wide PCIe4 bus coverage? Heck, that's more expensive than the most expensive x570 motherboards. Welcome to the real side of reality....;) Without AMD there would be no competition in these markets at all and Intel would be selling the same--likely worse garbage--at stratospheric prices.
you sure about that ? i guess you forgot the wonderful <10% gen on gen performance increases we were getting before Zen was released, and the ever increasing prices for that performance ? or the fact that mainstream was stuck on quad core cpus and you NEEDED to get intel HEDT cpus to get anything more then 4 cores ?
Tbf what AMD did to competition back then doesn't mean it's an excuse for them to copy Intel's playbook in the past. They can maintain their value position, but even the lowest Ryzen 5000 SKU is a bit overpriced for consumers here in the Philippines. Maybe Intel needs to thank AMD for being in such a position that is desired for consumers.
Even the 3000 series? I've seen the 3000 series for pretty good prices around the world, the 5000 is supply constrained and demand outstrips supply so there is no reason to lower the price....That's how markets work
I remember not that long ago an AMD 'budget board' would have HDMI/eSATA/Toslink/6 USB ports (some USB3) and decent audio chip etc. and the Intel budget board would give you just VGA/PS2/ serial, a couple of USB2 and a parallel port instead. Terrible.
Such a dumb argument, you do realize than intel had massive generations jumps from core 2 duo, to intel core 1st gen, then second gen. While amds overpriced phenoms flopped. All these companies are the same, lack of competition means lack of advancement
AMD's motherboards are cheaper and include OC features at lower prices. Nothing has changed with Intel sadly. If you look at a bundle of motherboard+CPU AMD is still cheaper.
You're a normal person (consumer) also, right? They were not always this high. Don't you want prices to be more reasonable?
I actually created a set of tables (completely cited), illustrating this point during AMD's run of the 3000 series and sent it to one of the YT's that does reviews. Nothing ever came of it though.
Here you go: https://ufile.io/tkepsb72 Please note that pricing, at least on AMD parts, has continued to go up. We are now paying 491% per MM2 of silicon vs. the Phenom II x6 1090T.
" They were not always this high. Don't you want prices to be more reasonable? " ask me that question when the things that are effecting the market right now, and raising the prices higher then they could be,have settled down. as it stands the 5900x is about 70 bucks more then i paid for the 3900x i am currently using, and even though i got the 3900x about this time last year, im STILL considering upgrading to the 5800X when it is available.
" Please note that pricing, at least on AMD parts, has continued to go up. We are now paying 491% per MM2 of silicon vs. the Phenom II x6 1090T." and look at the performance different between now and then ? the only way for intel's pricing to go was down. as when they were the top, look at what they charged for their cpus. my 5930k cost me 800 in 2015, thats approx $886 now, for that price i can get a 5900x and almost a NH-d15 to go with it.
again, it seems like when intel kept raising its prices for its cpus, no one batted an eye. amd does it, and some are getting upset. quite frankly,. amd has the right to raise their prices, as their cpus are, IMO, worth the price. just like intel did pre Zen, but the difference is, while amd increased performance quite a bit, at best, intel only increased something like 10% or less, depending on what was being run. seems some still consider amd to be the value. cheapo option, and they should still price their cpus as such, well, intel is no the cheapo option, and they should be priced less then amd's equivalent cpus.
"Ask me that question when the things that are effecting the market right now, and raising the prices higher then they could be, have settled down." Ok.
"And look at the performance different between now and then?" If bring this line of reasoning to the PDP-7 vs. the 8086, the performance difference is in favor of the 8086 as is the price. Good performance does not have to come at a price premium.
"Again, it seems like when Intel kept raising its prices for its CPUs, no one batted an eye. AMD does it, and some are getting upset." Well, people like myself have been faithful customers for years. It was the core counts, not the fanboy in me that chose this route. We are a bit disappointed -- just as loyal Intel customers are about their current lineup's lack of performance. I feel for them. I just don't vocalize on their behalf because it's not my place as someone who doesn't buy from Intel if he has a choice.
"..AMD has the right to raise their prices..." Of course. I'm not disagreeing with that. I am saying that AMD can but *should not* be raising them so high. OFC: See your first comment above. Demand is insane.
" Good performance does not have to come at a price premium. " tell that to intel before Zen was released. :-) intel, for what they were offering, were charging quite a bit.
you seem to be blaming AMD for its current CPU prices, which is not the case, its the current situation with what has been going on for the last year. as you said, demand is insane.
Well of course lower nm lithography is more expensive mer mm2 of wafer space. Like that's literally how it works.....I'm so confused by your comment. Are you saying that price per mm should come down with smaller nodes of lithography?
Is that the other side though ? If they are in a „better at everything“ position, why should they charge bargain basement prices? And anti-consumer ? That would be paying / pressuring OEM and stores to not carry alternative products and that‘s not happening.
And you actually have a choice - want the best ? There‘s Ryzen 5000 but it costs a bit more. Want budget ? There‘s Ryzen 3000 and 2000. They all fit the same motherboards with the exception of 2017 era 300 series boards.
What you shouldn‘t do is compare EOL close out prices to current products prices. I bought my 2700x new for €150 including Borderlands 3 and the stock HSF but it was so cheap because they were clearing out stock. The same thing is happening with Comet Lake but compared to Ryzen 2000 EOL prices you could even argue that they are still overpriced.
Either way, we‘ll see what RKL brings to the table, both as far as performance, features and price is concerned.
How do you figure that AMD is price gouging? Intel is late to the game, underperform, runs hot and you have to get a new motherboard for every new cpu that Intel releases. AMD has supported new processors on the same motherboard since 2017. AMD are faster and run cooler. Just because AMD decided to increase prices by $50 the first time in years they're gouging customers? Every new Intel CPU release increased the price from $10-$30
This is a huge problem for AMD. The last few PC’s I’ve built during the pandemic have all been Intel because the platform cost is so much cheaper, and Intel had still competitive chips in the $150 range that you can actually get for MSRP. Meanwhile there are no AMD boards for under $100 unless you want an old platform, and their ~$120 chips are selling for $200.
Basically at the low end you can build an Intel system equivalent in performance to an AMD system for nearly $100 less. Obviously you are throwing future proofing out the window when it comes time to upgrade your CPU to something high end but I rarely see people replace CPU’s without replacing their motherboard anyway...which is kind of sad :(
Future proofing and cpu upgradeability is fiction IMO, save for some edge cases. Usually CPU we buy is enough for some time, and after that it makes more sense to buy new mb+cpu+ram combo, especially now, when we are at the end of DDR4 era. My current platform is based on x570 and Ryzen 3600, but I'm not planning on switching to ZEN3 or ZEN3+ if it ever comes out, and same is with Intel.
Also with current market integrated GPU is a nice thing to have for a fresh build, and here AMD just doesn't provide anything meaningful - it's all either old or expensive (and still a little worse then GPU-less CPUs due to less cache).
Hi Gavin, your last table (audio) has a legacy headline (Z490..). Question: which HDMI-out standard is supported by these MoBos? Are they all 2.0b? Thanks!
Frankly, the 100 bucks motherboards are quite nice if you pair them with a non K CPU. With 300 bucks you end up with a pretty powerful system. Similar IPC to zen 3 parts and cheaper. No matter how much you despise intel, these are quite attractive.
I agree. I just built an H310 system ($56 motherboard brand new) with a new old stock i5-8500T? Maybe 8600T? I forgot. But $130 new on eBay, and threw a $10 cooler on it good for 65w (it’s a 35w CPU)
It’s for my torrent PC/HTPC that was still sandy bridge and running a GT430 for video, new system will use around 1/3rd the power at load and 1/8th the power at idle. Total cost for board cpu and 8GB DDR4: $200.
just adjust the turbo limit time or enable MCE if you can, at least i think you can on b560 not sure and 2933/3000 mhz memory isnt the biggest deal either
Not that the work isn't appreciated, but I think you should just hire raisonjohn and call it a day. His work on a massive comparison spreadsheet for the AMD A, B and X motherboard is amazing, and light years ahead of anything I've seen. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wmsTYK9Z3-...
Decent stack range, but the vast majority have too many SATA and not enough m.2 and not enough USB type C ports. In the next few years there will be more and more type C equipment to plug in.
Apart from that, most of them are good for final DDR4 boards as a final home for DDR4 RAM as DDR 5 starts coming in next year (or the year after).
With AMD’s reduction in CPU power the way seems open for some low power desktops to run entirely off USB-C with its power supply of up to 100w (delivered via DC so equal to a wall supply of maybe 130w AC as the transformer losses are in the wall wart not in the desktop PSU). That could mean smaller and cheaper desktops, powered straight from the monitor (if it has a USBC power supply) through the USBC video cable. Apple already has this setup though a few hoops need to be jumped through.
Limited m.2 is mostly down to being mATX and budget. The smaller board size combined with m.2 being attached to the board itself doesn't leave much room for a 2nd slot unless you go with some sort of riser setup. And using a riser crashes into being budget products.
USB-C rollout has been strangled by the decision to implement reversibility by adding an extra chip between the physical port and controller whose job is to swap the IO around instead of offloading that to the controller. Adding an extra dollar or two to the BOM per port has resulted in all the board makers deciding that not having multiple C ports is a good way to cut costs.
Lastly, mATX is going to be the last place we see SATA numbers shrink as long as Intel keep offering them on their chipsets. The plugs are dirt cheap, and unless you're building a maxed out full ATX board the chipset has more IO lanes than you can use. If numbers ever start dropping below what's offered in the chipset it'll either be on mITX boards that are badly space constrained or full ATX ones where the designers decide a few more PCIe lanes or USB3 ports would be more valuable.
The MSI MPG B560I Gaming Edge Wi-Fi has been announced and its features fully released, so you can update that page. Incidentally, there's also a typo in the MSI table, where you have "ATX" instead of "ITX" under the Size Column for the B560I.
Finally some decently priced motherboards are getting attention they deserve! I'm really happy to see and read about hardware in a price segment I would actually buy and use.
I'm in the process of building a new system for my sister. Bought the ASUS Prime B560M-A at a price competitive with the B460 boards. A very nice mATX board that was nice to work with. One observation and one question. I bought the optional Intel WIFI card & antenna kit to use with the WIFI bracket. On the plus side, it works great and I didn't have to run ethernet cable across the room I was building it in. The negative is that the WIFI bracket has to be attached to the motherboard, using really tiny screws from the rear of the board. That probably took the longest thing in the build as I'd have to try to balance the MB, keep the bracket in place over the holes and the card inserted in the slot, while keeping the tiny screws on the screwdriver long enough to screw in. Now for the question. It involves the first M.2 slot, above the GPU. It's PCIE 4.0. According to everything printed by ASUS, if you use a 10th generation CPU, the slot is disabled, leaving only the second M.2 beneath the GPU. I understand the part about needing an 11th gen CPU to get PCIE 4, but shouldn't the first slot support a PCIE 3.0 M.2 SSD? I'm used to these slots being backward compatible and on my AMD X570 board, you can use either PCIE 3 or 4 SSDs in both slots. Does anyone knows if the B56s0 slot 1 is backward compatible?
Rocket Lake CPUs have 20 PCIe (4.0) lanes off the CPU. This a departure from previous generations in terms of lane count. Comet Lake (and older) for Intel have 16 lanes off the CPU.
4 of those lanes are connected to the "first" m.2 slot of B560/Z590 motherboards. 10th gen CPUs don't have those lanes even as PCIe 3.0. Previous generation motherboards have all their m.2 slots using lanes connected to the chipset.
Thanks for the explanation. My AMD X570 has PCIE 4 lanes from both CPU and chipset, so this is my first build wheres I'm running up against this limitation. Now it all makes sense and fortunately, I did place my Samsung 970 EVO into the 2nd M.2 slot. Thanks again! And old dog CAN learn something new!
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siggidarius - Monday, March 29, 2021 - link
With pricing like that for both motherboards and cpus, and good availability Intel is becoming a great value option.Personally I don't see why I'd choose AMD cpu in 200-350USD bracket with local prices.
ballsystemlord - Monday, March 29, 2021 - link
"Intel great value option" LOL. How the mighty have fallen.m53 - Monday, March 29, 2021 - link
@ballsystemlord: Or in other words how AMD starts price gouging and becoming more anti-consumer. How the "value brand" is now too expensive for the average customers.(not disagreeing with you. Just showing the other side of the reality.)
WaltC - Monday, March 29, 2021 - link
If it wasn't for AMD you might be in one of these Intel "value" motherboards, only you'd be paying 2x-3x as much for it....like you were about 4 years ago, remember? And there's no question that if it wasn't for AMD you'd be paying *huge sums* for ~14nm++++++++++++++++++++ CPUs Intel is selling now for bargain-basement prices *because* of AMD. Don't you realize that if not for AMD you'd be paying more, though the nose, for inferior components? Have you even checked to see that Z590 motherboards are ~$1k and up and can't even provide system-wide PCIe4 bus coverage? Heck, that's more expensive than the most expensive x570 motherboards. Welcome to the real side of reality....;) Without AMD there would be no competition in these markets at all and Intel would be selling the same--likely worse garbage--at stratospheric prices.laduran - Tuesday, March 30, 2021 - link
Everything you said is provably falseQasar - Tuesday, March 30, 2021 - link
you sure about that ? i guess you forgot the wonderful <10% gen on gen performance increases we were getting before Zen was released, and the ever increasing prices for that performance ? or the fact that mainstream was stuck on quad core cpus and you NEEDED to get intel HEDT cpus to get anything more then 4 cores ?RanFodar - Tuesday, March 30, 2021 - link
Tbf what AMD did to competition back then doesn't mean it's an excuse for them to copy Intel's playbook in the past. They can maintain their value position, but even the lowest Ryzen 5000 SKU is a bit overpriced for consumers here in the Philippines. Maybe Intel needs to thank AMD for being in such a position that is desired for consumers.pablo906 - Sunday, April 4, 2021 - link
Even the 3000 series? I've seen the 3000 series for pretty good prices around the world, the 5000 is supply constrained and demand outstrips supply so there is no reason to lower the price....That's how markets workjabber - Wednesday, March 31, 2021 - link
I remember not that long ago an AMD 'budget board' would have HDMI/eSATA/Toslink/6 USB ports (some USB3) and decent audio chip etc. and the Intel budget board would give you just VGA/PS2/ serial, a couple of USB2 and a parallel port instead. Terrible.cxtalxg - Wednesday, May 5, 2021 - link
Such a dumb argument, you do realize than intel had massive generations jumps from core 2 duo, to intel core 1st gen, then second gen. While amds overpriced phenoms flopped. All these companies are the same, lack of competition means lack of advancementAlistair - Monday, March 29, 2021 - link
AMD's motherboards are cheaper and include OC features at lower prices. Nothing has changed with Intel sadly. If you look at a bundle of motherboard+CPU AMD is still cheaper.evilpaul666 - Monday, March 29, 2021 - link
Most of the AMD boards at Microcenter were in the $200-250 range when I was looking. And they weren't the ROG/Aurous ones. Closer to entry level.ballsystemlord - Tuesday, March 30, 2021 - link
I'm totally behind you there. AMD should stop pricing their products like they are Intel/Nvidia.Qasar - Tuesday, March 30, 2021 - link
so even though AMD has the performance lead, they STILL need to price their cpus LESS then what intel charges for less performance ?ballsystemlord - Tuesday, March 30, 2021 - link
You're a normal person (consumer) also, right? They were not always this high. Don't you want prices to be more reasonable?I actually created a set of tables (completely cited), illustrating this point during AMD's run of the 3000 series and sent it to one of the YT's that does reviews. Nothing ever came of it though.
Here you go: https://ufile.io/tkepsb72
Please note that pricing, at least on AMD parts, has continued to go up. We are now paying 491% per MM2 of silicon vs. the Phenom II x6 1090T.
Qasar - Tuesday, March 30, 2021 - link
" They were not always this high. Don't you want prices to be more reasonable? " ask me that question when the things that are effecting the market right now, and raising the prices higher then they could be,have settled down. as it stands the 5900x is about 70 bucks more then i paid for the 3900x i am currently using, and even though i got the 3900x about this time last year, im STILL considering upgrading to the 5800X when it is available." Please note that pricing, at least on AMD parts, has continued to go up. We are now paying 491% per MM2 of silicon vs. the Phenom II x6 1090T." and look at the performance different between now and then ? the only way for intel's pricing to go was down. as when they were the top, look at what they charged for their cpus. my 5930k cost me 800 in 2015, thats approx $886 now, for that price i can get a 5900x and almost a NH-d15 to go with it.
again, it seems like when intel kept raising its prices for its cpus, no one batted an eye. amd does it, and some are getting upset. quite frankly,. amd has the right to raise their prices, as their cpus are, IMO, worth the price. just like intel did pre Zen, but the difference is, while amd increased performance quite a bit, at best, intel only increased something like 10% or less, depending on what was being run. seems some still consider amd to be the value. cheapo option, and they should still price their cpus as such, well, intel is no the cheapo option, and they should be priced less then amd's equivalent cpus.
ballsystemlord - Wednesday, March 31, 2021 - link
"Ask me that question when the things that are effecting the market right now, and raising the prices higher then they could be, have settled down." Ok."And look at the performance different between now and then?" If bring this line of reasoning to the PDP-7 vs. the 8086, the performance difference is in favor of the 8086 as is the price. Good performance does not have to come at a price premium.
"Again, it seems like when Intel kept raising its prices for its CPUs, no one batted an eye. AMD does it, and some are getting upset." Well, people like myself have been faithful customers for years. It was the core counts, not the fanboy in me that chose this route. We are a bit disappointed -- just as loyal Intel customers are about their current lineup's lack of performance. I feel for them. I just don't vocalize on their behalf because it's not my place as someone who doesn't buy from Intel if he has a choice.
"..AMD has the right to raise their prices..." Of course. I'm not disagreeing with that. I am saying that AMD can but *should not* be raising them so high. OFC: See your first comment above. Demand is insane.
Qasar - Wednesday, March 31, 2021 - link
" Good performance does not have to come at a price premium. " tell that to intel before Zen was released. :-) intel, for what they were offering, were charging quite a bit.you seem to be blaming AMD for its current CPU prices, which is not the case, its the current situation with what has been going on for the last year. as you said, demand is insane.
Linustechtips12#6900xt - Thursday, April 8, 2021 - link
its just how the market works if someones willing to pay for the better performance then its going to naturally cost more than the lesser productpablo906 - Sunday, April 4, 2021 - link
Well of course lower nm lithography is more expensive mer mm2 of wafer space. Like that's literally how it works.....I'm so confused by your comment. Are you saying that price per mm should come down with smaller nodes of lithography?Irata - Tuesday, March 30, 2021 - link
Is that the other side though ? If they are in a „better at everything“ position, why should they charge bargain basement prices? And anti-consumer ? That would be paying / pressuring OEM and stores to not carry alternative products and that‘s not happening.And you actually have a choice - want the best ? There‘s Ryzen 5000 but it costs a bit more. Want budget ? There‘s Ryzen 3000 and 2000. They all fit the same motherboards with the exception of 2017 era 300 series boards.
What you shouldn‘t do is compare EOL close out prices to current products prices. I bought my 2700x new for €150 including Borderlands 3 and the stock HSF but it was so cheap because they were clearing out stock. The same thing is happening with Comet Lake but compared to Ryzen 2000 EOL prices you could even argue that they are still overpriced.
Either way, we‘ll see what RKL brings to the table, both as far as performance, features and price is concerned.
madseven7 - Friday, April 2, 2021 - link
How do you figure that AMD is price gouging? Intel is late to the game, underperform, runs hot and you have to get a new motherboard for every new cpu that Intel releases. AMD has supported new processors on the same motherboard since 2017. AMD are faster and run cooler. Just because AMD decided to increase prices by $50 the first time in years they're gouging customers? Every new Intel CPU release increased the price from $10-$30laduran - Tuesday, March 30, 2021 - link
Real men own fabs. Jerry Sanders. AMD.Samus - Monday, March 29, 2021 - link
This is a huge problem for AMD. The last few PC’s I’ve built during the pandemic have all been Intel because the platform cost is so much cheaper, and Intel had still competitive chips in the $150 range that you can actually get for MSRP. Meanwhile there are no AMD boards for under $100 unless you want an old platform, and their ~$120 chips are selling for $200.Basically at the low end you can build an Intel system equivalent in performance to an AMD system for nearly $100 less. Obviously you are throwing future proofing out the window when it comes time to upgrade your CPU to something high end but I rarely see people replace CPU’s without replacing their motherboard anyway...which is kind of sad :(
siggidarius - Tuesday, March 30, 2021 - link
Future proofing and cpu upgradeability is fiction IMO, save for some edge cases. Usually CPU we buy is enough for some time, and after that it makes more sense to buy new mb+cpu+ram combo, especially now, when we are at the end of DDR4 era.My current platform is based on x570 and Ryzen 3600, but I'm not planning on switching to ZEN3 or ZEN3+ if it ever comes out, and same is with Intel.
Also with current market integrated GPU is a nice thing to have for a fresh build, and here AMD just doesn't provide anything meaningful - it's all either old or expensive (and still a little worse then GPU-less CPUs due to less cache).
eastcoast_pete - Monday, March 29, 2021 - link
Hi Gavin, your last table (audio) has a legacy headline (Z490..).Question: which HDMI-out standard is supported by these MoBos? Are they all 2.0b? Thanks!
dullard - Monday, March 29, 2021 - link
Multiple tables on the first page have the wrong headline (Z590 instead of B560).yeeeeman - Monday, March 29, 2021 - link
Frankly, the 100 bucks motherboards are quite nice if you pair them with a non K CPU. With 300 bucks you end up with a pretty powerful system. Similar IPC to zen 3 parts and cheaper. No matter how much you despise intel, these are quite attractive.Samus - Monday, March 29, 2021 - link
I agree. I just built an H310 system ($56 motherboard brand new) with a new old stock i5-8500T? Maybe 8600T? I forgot. But $130 new on eBay, and threw a $10 cooler on it good for 65w (it’s a 35w CPU)It’s for my torrent PC/HTPC that was still sandy bridge and running a GT430 for video, new system will use around 1/3rd the power at load and 1/8th the power at idle. Total cost for board cpu and 8GB DDR4: $200.
Linustechtips12#6900xt - Thursday, April 8, 2021 - link
completely agree, was looking at a 10400 or 10600 and a b560 from asrock actually not badFlunk - Monday, March 29, 2021 - link
Still limiting overclocking on mid-range boards even though the competition doesn't? Shame Intel, shame.shabby - Monday, March 29, 2021 - link
Do you really need to overclock though? Don't these cpus overclock themselves to 200w+ anyway?Linustechtips12#6900xt - Thursday, April 8, 2021 - link
just adjust the turbo limit time or enable MCE if you can, at least i think you can on b560 not sure and 2933/3000 mhz memory isnt the biggest deal eitherGreat_Scott - Monday, March 29, 2021 - link
The most recent crop of Intel CPUs 1) overclock on their own, and 2) don't have any thermal headroom.Really, getting a Non-K with a B-series motherboard and saving the money for (any) GPU is the better idea...
Martin84a - Monday, March 29, 2021 - link
Not that the work isn't appreciated, but I think you should just hire raisonjohn and call it a day. His work on a massive comparison spreadsheet for the AMD A, B and X motherboard is amazing, and light years ahead of anything I've seen.https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wmsTYK9Z3-...
Tomatotech - Monday, March 29, 2021 - link
Decent stack range, but the vast majority have too many SATA and not enough m.2 and not enough USB type C ports. In the next few years there will be more and more type C equipment to plug in.Apart from that, most of them are good for final DDR4 boards as a final home for DDR4 RAM as DDR 5 starts coming in next year (or the year after).
With AMD’s reduction in CPU power the way seems open for some low power desktops to run entirely off USB-C with its power supply of up to 100w (delivered via DC so equal to a wall supply of maybe 130w AC as the transformer losses are in the wall wart not in the desktop PSU). That could mean smaller and cheaper desktops, powered straight from the monitor (if it has a USBC power supply) through the USBC video cable. Apple already has this setup though a few hoops need to be jumped through.
DanNeely - Monday, March 29, 2021 - link
Limited m.2 is mostly down to being mATX and budget. The smaller board size combined with m.2 being attached to the board itself doesn't leave much room for a 2nd slot unless you go with some sort of riser setup. And using a riser crashes into being budget products.USB-C rollout has been strangled by the decision to implement reversibility by adding an extra chip between the physical port and controller whose job is to swap the IO around instead of offloading that to the controller. Adding an extra dollar or two to the BOM per port has resulted in all the board makers deciding that not having multiple C ports is a good way to cut costs.
Lastly, mATX is going to be the last place we see SATA numbers shrink as long as Intel keep offering them on their chipsets. The plugs are dirt cheap, and unless you're building a maxed out full ATX board the chipset has more IO lanes than you can use. If numbers ever start dropping below what's offered in the chipset it'll either be on mITX boards that are badly space constrained or full ATX ones where the designers decide a few more PCIe lanes or USB3 ports would be more valuable.
TheinsanegamerN - Monday, March 29, 2021 - link
Plenty of AMD micro ATX boards have 2 slots, you just need some intelligent board design. Hell they can fit 2 on mini ITX without riser boards.Tomatotech - Tuesday, March 30, 2021 - link
Thanks Dan for the reply. I didn’t know that info about the USB-C extra chip causing issues. USB-IF strikes again!vailr - Monday, March 29, 2021 - link
Gigabyte also has the (full size ATX board) B460 HD3:https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B460-HD3-rev-...
FriendlySeaCow - Monday, March 29, 2021 - link
The MSI MPG B560I Gaming Edge Wi-Fi has been announced and its features fully released, so you can update that page. Incidentally, there's also a typo in the MSI table, where you have "ATX" instead of "ITX" under the Size Column for the B560I.Looks like a really nice board: https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MPG-B560I-GAMING-E...
Jorgp2 - Monday, March 29, 2021 - link
Why didn't they enable the full 8 sata ports for this chipset, X299 is dead anyway.Linustechtips12#6900xt - Thursday, April 8, 2021 - link
because who uses 8 freaking sata ports at a time, i think the MAX I've ever used is 4Mr Perfect - Monday, March 29, 2021 - link
Nice round up. Any chance you'll do something similar for H570? They don't seem to cost much more, but have some additional chipset features.Scour - Monday, March 29, 2021 - link
B560 also with 6x SATA, PCIe 4.0 and also on ATX-boards, sound good for me.sheltem - Monday, March 29, 2021 - link
According to this Reddit post, the Asrock B560 ITX has pretty good VRM's:https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/lao3ym/z59...
BrokenCrayons - Monday, March 29, 2021 - link
Finally some decently priced motherboards are getting attention they deserve! I'm really happy to see and read about hardware in a price segment I would actually buy and use.evilpaul666 - Monday, March 29, 2021 - link
The 10/11 series would be so much more interesting if it had ECC support.[email protected] - Monday, March 29, 2021 - link
I'm in the process of building a new system for my sister. Bought the ASUS Prime B560M-A at a price competitive with the B460 boards. A very nice mATX board that was nice to work with. One observation and one question. I bought the optional Intel WIFI card & antenna kit to use with the WIFI bracket. On the plus side, it works great and I didn't have to run ethernet cable across the room I was building it in. The negative is that the WIFI bracket has to be attached to the motherboard, using really tiny screws from the rear of the board. That probably took the longest thing in the build as I'd have to try to balance the MB, keep the bracket in place over the holes and the card inserted in the slot, while keeping the tiny screws on the screwdriver long enough to screw in. Now for the question. It involves the first M.2 slot, above the GPU. It's PCIE 4.0. According to everything printed by ASUS, if you use a 10th generation CPU, the slot is disabled, leaving only the second M.2 beneath the GPU. I understand the part about needing an 11th gen CPU to get PCIE 4, but shouldn't the first slot support a PCIE 3.0 M.2 SSD? I'm used to these slots being backward compatible and on my AMD X570 board, you can use either PCIE 3 or 4 SSDs in both slots. Does anyone knows if the B56s0 slot 1 is backward compatible?mobilefrenzy - Tuesday, March 30, 2021 - link
M.2 Slot 1 on B560 and Z590 mobos don't work with 10th gen CPUs, as they don't have the additional PCIe lanes to enable them.limitedaccess - Tuesday, March 30, 2021 - link
Rocket Lake CPUs have 20 PCIe (4.0) lanes off the CPU. This a departure from previous generations in terms of lane count. Comet Lake (and older) for Intel have 16 lanes off the CPU.4 of those lanes are connected to the "first" m.2 slot of B560/Z590 motherboards. 10th gen CPUs don't have those lanes even as PCIe 3.0. Previous generation motherboards have all their m.2 slots using lanes connected to the chipset.
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Thanks for the explanation. My AMD X570 has PCIE 4 lanes from both CPU and chipset, so this is my first build wheres I'm running up against this limitation. Now it all makes sense and fortunately, I did place my Samsung 970 EVO into the 2nd M.2 slot. Thanks again! And old dog CAN learn something new!ScottSoapbox - Tuesday, March 30, 2021 - link
There are three typos in the first paragraph that Word or a browser would catch if you took 10 seconds to check. Hint: words need spaces between them.Linustechtips12#6900xt - Thursday, April 8, 2021 - link
am I the only one who noticed the CMOS battery on the wifi thing in the asrock board?? lolutmode - Saturday, April 10, 2021 - link
has reaktek fixed speed dropping issue in their RTL8125B 2.5G NICmammuthus - Sunday, June 20, 2021 - link
Guys, witch one I should choose between ASUS ROG Strix B560-I Gaming WIFI and MSI MPG B560I Gaming Edge Wi-Fi?aigo - Thursday, July 29, 2021 - link
There is no sound through HDMI ports regardless of the OS; Linux, Windows. Definitely not a multimedia board, and neither it is for gaming.dwoodcock - Friday, August 13, 2021 - link
After messing about with this board all day trying to get RAID working I find out it doesn't support RAID at all!!!BadConfiguration - Thursday, October 28, 2021 - link
Hi Gavin, will the M.2_2 (marked ultra m2) use the pcie lanes from chipset ? Or would it use the pcie lanes from cpu ?