Thank god that miners only mine ETh on GPU these days and there axist no other altcoins being mined. /s Even then I wonder if even at 1/2 speed it makes more sense to buy these than to buy the dedicated mining cards. At least these can be flipped when the current craze ends or these cards start to loose eficacy at mining. It all boils down to making a proffit, and considering people are mining on laptops, this card will still be used to mine.
Also, has anyone calculated what the speed halving on ethereum does to power efficiency? While they mine slower they might do so more efficiently.
And it doesn't take long to find out you can make close to 7$ a day with this card mining other coins. As long as the crazyness continues this will pay by itself in less than 2 months.
"pay for itself" is kind of a silly thing to say for mining. Its not like you can just go to walmart and spend it still, that is why crypto currency will never be something mainstream, simply not going to work when no one adopts it buy illegal online shops contribute like %80 of its growth.
Correction: the RTX 3060 is starting at $389.99. That's the lowest price I saw at Best Buy and Micro Center, with most prices around the $500 mark, with some as high as $629.99 and $534.99, respectively. The latest back-of-the-napkin calculations squarely peg video card price-to-performance (excluding ray-tracing) no better than (and sometimes worse than) 10 series performance per dollar. That's how far we've regressed: we are paying for the same performance as video cards released five years ago. Normally, you would be paying around half as much for the same amount of performance from half a decade ago at this point. This is one market bubble that is going to burst in NVIDIA and AMD's faces and subsequently nosedive as terribly as prices first skyrocketed. Like with any market, this sort of madness is only sustainable for so long before all hades breaks lose...
I was looking at reviews from other sites and the RX 5700 XT is 2% faster than this card. That card was released in July of 2019 for $400 and now nVidia is releasing roughly the same performance for $330. Not much of an improvement after 1.5 years.
I miss the old days when we would get a new GPU every 1.5 years with more than 50% higher performance for the same cost
While I'm not a fan of the 3060, it's nowhere as bad as you claim. The 5700 XT was launched for $449, not $400. The 3060 has 12GB video memory, similar rasterization performance, and the ray tracing performance rivals the twice as expensive 6800.
Raytracing at this level is just worthless (worthless almost all the time IMO, but performance wise the 3060 sucks) and that 12GB of VRAM isnt going to be useful on a card that is 2070 speed. That 12GB *MIGHT* be mroe useful on a 3080 series card in 4 years, but now on a midrange card? Yeah no.
The only reason this card has 12GB RAM is because if it had 6GB of RAM, it would be absolutely skewered and for good reason. And the last time Nvidia did mismatched RAM channels, they had a heap of problems (pun intended).
I just can't stop wondering what the 30 series would have looked like if nvidia used 7nm tsmc and not this crap samsung process. Barely faster than 2060 super and more power hungry. Wtf? And 330 bucks...well, let's say the price is ok for the amount of vram, but anyways, with 7nm tsmc, the 3070 could have been a 3060.. damnit
If they were on TSMC only, then the situation would be worse than it is now. TSMC simply can't produce enough, and none of these companies (Nvidia et al) paid them to ramp up more/faster last spring/summer when the "unprecedented" demand was clearly seen & felt.
Consumers get the brunt of corporate greed, and they have every year.
You guys have really got to do something about all your typos. Do your realize that virtually everything you publish now is typo-ridden? It's unprofessional. Here's just one:
"...using 15Gbps GDDR6 gives the RTX 3060 a total memory bandwidth of 360GB/second, 24GB/second more than what the RTX 3060 offered."
By that logic there are no paper launches because reviews get a copy too. MC serves single digit percentages of the population and out of those only the first few standing in line grab a card and out of those only a couple grab the card they want (say a 6900xt). That’s a paper launch my friend. Do Enjoy yours
A paper launch is literally none being available to the general consumer. There were many available A major part of the problem is the idiot scalpers out there. I missed getting one several times before it came in stock and I got to the local Microcenter in time. They had 10+ in stock multiple times, of multiple brands and models. Same with the 3090.
THIS card might not have stock. But the 6900XT and 3090 had plenty of stock for a while. Physically IN STORE at Microcenter as I have repeatedly stated. I actually SAW them when I went to pick up my 6900XT, and was keeping track of the stock #s for a while.
Nope, proved you 100% wrong. And amusingly, just this morning I checked Microcenter in Flushing and Brooklyn, both of which had stock of 6900XTs---not much, just 2 at one and 1 at the other, but you could've actually trekked down there TODAY and bought one!
This time is different. There are massive shortages of chips. This GPU mining peak already passed, and cards were not imaginary products then. All launches are paper because there are no cards.
Please stop posting this lie. There was stock for a while, but BOTH miners and scalpers severely affected the amount available to John Q. Gamer.
How do I know this? I checked several times over a period of several months as I debated picking up such an expensive video card, and watched the stock drain from double digits down to zero before I could get off work and drive to the store. Finally lucked out in a mid-double digit stock on a PowerColor Red Devil 6900xt at the Yonkers Microcenter, and managed to get there in time after work. They still had 4 or so by the time I got there, down from like 15 at the start of the day.
Its not a paper launch, no matter how many times you keep posting this. I would not have one in my PC right now if it was. I did not set up a bot, I did not even click fast through a website---I physically drove to a store and got it. Demand is high for these new cards, and the pandemic crushed silicon production, along with the simultaneous huge launch of RDNA2 equipped consoles.
Yes, you are lying. There was no paper launch. As I have already posted many times, I have a 6900XT in my system and there was a lot of stock depleted and replenished in the weeks leading up to my purchase.
Nope, proved you 100% wrong. And amusingly, just this morning I checked Microcenter in Flushing and Brooklyn, both of which had stock of 6900XTs---not much, just 2 at one and 1 at the other, but you could've actually trekked down there TODAY and bought one!
Through Nvidia's smokescreen bullcrap, we ALL know they are selling direct to miners, and, clearly doing nothing to discourage their AIB partners to do the same. Meanwhile, their marketing machine is clearly on overdrive with more lies that the 'average Joe and gaming' is at their heart.
-->> Anandtech, Guru3D, JayzTwoCents, Linus Tech Tips, HardwareUnboxed, Gamers Nexus, Paul's Hardware etc etc etc NEED TO WORK TOGETHER, for the sake of their credibility. Quite simply, if cards are unavailable then they give them NO AIRTIME. They've done this before - and recently...remember that Nvidia-HardwareUnboxed-gate...?? Thanks to Linus etc Nvidia were forced to apologise and backtrack. The vast majority of info folks receive about PC products is via the internet. Work together, again, and use that influence!! Maybe then Nvidia will serve their gamer customers better. What about AMD...?...unfortunately, multiple product lines...CPU's, GPU's...and both console contracts still to fulfil. However, if they can't supply gamer GPU's they their marketing, too, should be silenced. Out of the two companies, though, Nvidia is especially shafting their potential gamer customers...something to take note of when this mining crap is over and Nvidia then wants to sell to gamers.
this deserves an Anandtech review. not a fan of nvidia but negativity to this card is plenty in youtube. there is a reason why the performance is not so great.
I'm not even going to read this because the title tells me I am just not included as a "gamer" anymore... but $200 is still the ABSOLUTE EXTREME MAX CAP on the price I'm willing to pay for a GPU. $330 is Extreme enthusiast rich person. I'm not EVER going to go ANYWHERE NEAR that. FFS the 8800GT was available for $130 less than a year after it came out and it ran EVERYTHING! We're at nearly 3 times that?! THREE TIMES?!?!
Moore's law died and, apparently, it took the entire computer science industry with it :/
+ the years of refusal (continuing) of Nvidia and AMD to gimp their cards against mining
+ what looks like the sort of cooperative lowered-competition agreement that Google and MS have over Internet search (basically enabling Google to own the entire clearnet) between AMD and Nvidia. They each have their own niches and maximize revenue extraction. AMD had Polaris forever for PC gamers, leaving them to be 'free to choose' between successive iterations of non-competitive cards (Fury, Vega, Radeon VII) designed for mining and/or low competitiveness or they could choose Nvidia cards at price points inflated by lack of competition. AMD had the ability, for instance, to make Radeon VII a more competitive part. Instead, the company cynically gave it a small number of transistors with a small die and went crazy with the clockrate. Why bother to do anything more for gamers than that?
+ Nvidia supplying Nintendo with parts so it can maintain another walled garden. I've been less critical of Nintendo due to its portable form factor. But. really... there is no good reason why the Switch games can't be running on a unified software layer — one that is the same as PC gaming. So, really... Nvidia is also competing against PC gamers, although not as dramatically as AMD is.
+ people giving Intel the benefit of the doubt about it becoming a competitive third player in the gaming market, a benefit that the company has not earned. On the contrary, it has earned the opposite of the benefit of the doubt with all of its years of non-competitiveness in that market. Oh... just wait and Intel will save us! Oh... just wait and mining will be over! Oh... just wait and wait and wait. Einstein's definition of insanity on rinse and repeat cycle.
'AMD had the ability, for instance, to make Radeon VII a more competitive part. Instead, the company cynically gave it a small number of transistors with a small die and went crazy with the clockrate. Why bother to do anything more for gamers than that?'
It was also proven that Vega's IPC was no better than Fury X. The only difference was clock from a node shrink. So, after so many years of intentional non-competitiveness, we're supposed to feel grateful that AMD has finally released competitive cards that no one can buy?
It's not the pandemic that's to blame. It's not mining that's to blame. It's a massive lack of competition that's the problem.
'It's a massive lack of competition that's the problem.'
Which includes the fact that at least one of the two companies is competing directly against the PC gaming market by allocating 7nm production to 'consoles'.
You get to pay a lot for 48 ROPs and less VRAM than 'consoles' get.
This is what happens when the 'two competitors' have you by the dainty bits. You can choose to pay too much for this intentionally weak card (1080p, oh boy... just like Polaris was) or choose to have nothing at all. Isn't 1440 supposed to be the basic quality level for enthuasiast gaming? Maybe not. Polaris + cruddy Nvidia cards forever!
Capitalism is working well here. Instead of waiting in long lines in the hopes of getting something, people have the option of paying a whole lot for a whole lot of little. Or, they can skip the lines because there's nothing to get.
Nvidia could have put the brakes on Etherium with the rest of the line but chose not to. It could have announced that the first generation of models have been discontinued, in favor of "A" badge models, or something. But, no. You can have its table scraps and like it.
AMD could have chosen to produce GPUs for PC gamers rather than cater primarily to Sony and Microsoft by allocating 7nm production to their parasitic boxes. Consumers can still choose to start using their money intelligently instead of paying to be betrayed.
I find it all droll, though, since the games aren't much to write home about in the first place.
This thing should be the price of a 1660 Super since it has the performance of a 2060 Super but is an Ampere core. I guess Samsung 8nm yields are as good as Intel 10nm.
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wait.... i could buy that kind of performance for a year from AMD for the same price.
nvidia has totally lost it. i hope many PC gamers switch to consoles and nvidia will have a hard time in the future. they are worse then intel after sandy bridge.
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valinor89 - Thursday, February 25, 2021 - link
Thank god that miners only mine ETh on GPU these days and there axist no other altcoins being mined. /sEven then I wonder if even at 1/2 speed it makes more sense to buy these than to buy the dedicated mining cards. At least these can be flipped when the current craze ends or these cards start to loose eficacy at mining. It all boils down to making a proffit, and considering people are mining on laptops, this card will still be used to mine.
Also, has anyone calculated what the speed halving on ethereum does to power efficiency? While they mine slower they might do so more efficiently.
valinor89 - Thursday, February 25, 2021 - link
And it doesn't take long to find out you can make close to 7$ a day with this card mining other coins. As long as the crazyness continues this will pay by itself in less than 2 months.TheinsanegamerN - Thursday, February 25, 2021 - link
Hell I have a couple vega 64s sitting around, I might mine with them and keep my kitchen warm at the same time.imaheadcase - Friday, February 26, 2021 - link
"pay for itself" is kind of a silly thing to say for mining. Its not like you can just go to walmart and spend it still, that is why crypto currency will never be something mainstream, simply not going to work when no one adopts it buy illegal online shops contribute like %80 of its growth.meacupla - Thursday, February 25, 2021 - link
aaaaand it's gone.Smell This - Tuesday, March 9, 2021 - link
**Buy in Store** $779.995 in stock at Duluth
ASUS GeForce RTX 3070 ROG Strix Overclocked 8GB GDDR6
https://www.microcenter.com/product/630686/asus-ge...
(Gets out of the way from Atlanta shoppers)
Hifihedgehog - Thursday, February 25, 2021 - link
"At $329"Correction: the RTX 3060 is starting at $389.99. That's the lowest price I saw at Best Buy and Micro Center, with most prices around the $500 mark, with some as high as $629.99 and $534.99, respectively. The latest back-of-the-napkin calculations squarely peg video card price-to-performance (excluding ray-tracing) no better than (and sometimes worse than) 10 series performance per dollar. That's how far we've regressed: we are paying for the same performance as video cards released five years ago. Normally, you would be paying around half as much for the same amount of performance from half a decade ago at this point. This is one market bubble that is going to burst in NVIDIA and AMD's faces and subsequently nosedive as terribly as prices first skyrocketed. Like with any market, this sort of madness is only sustainable for so long before all hades breaks lose...
nandnandnand - Thursday, February 25, 2021 - link
Bound to happen with the mining boom and gaming demand. Putting in more VRAM than the 3080 added fuel to the fire.On the plus side, we can look forward to the price hitting $329 at some indeterminate point in the future.
Spunjji - Thursday, February 25, 2021 - link
Some day soon, it will only be a little bit overpriced! 😬XacTactX - Thursday, February 25, 2021 - link
I was looking at reviews from other sites and the RX 5700 XT is 2% faster than this card. That card was released in July of 2019 for $400 and now nVidia is releasing roughly the same performance for $330. Not much of an improvement after 1.5 years.I miss the old days when we would get a new GPU every 1.5 years with more than 50% higher performance for the same cost
Spunjji - Thursday, February 25, 2021 - link
What an absolute joke.krazyfrog - Thursday, February 25, 2021 - link
While I'm not a fan of the 3060, it's nowhere as bad as you claim. The 5700 XT was launched for $449, not $400. The 3060 has 12GB video memory, similar rasterization performance, and the ray tracing performance rivals the twice as expensive 6800.TheinsanegamerN - Friday, February 26, 2021 - link
Raytracing at this level is just worthless (worthless almost all the time IMO, but performance wise the 3060 sucks) and that 12GB of VRAM isnt going to be useful on a card that is 2070 speed. That 12GB *MIGHT* be mroe useful on a 3080 series card in 4 years, but now on a midrange card? Yeah no.lmcd - Friday, February 26, 2021 - link
The only reason this card has 12GB RAM is because if it had 6GB of RAM, it would be absolutely skewered and for good reason. And the last time Nvidia did mismatched RAM channels, they had a heap of problems (pun intended).evilpaul666 - Thursday, February 25, 2021 - link
Local Microcenter had a bunch of one SKU in stock. Down to one left now. Selling them for $509.yeeeeman - Thursday, February 25, 2021 - link
I just can't stop wondering what the 30 series would have looked like if nvidia used 7nm tsmc and not this crap samsung process. Barely faster than 2060 super and more power hungry. Wtf? And 330 bucks...well, let's say the price is ok for the amount of vram, but anyways, with 7nm tsmc, the 3070 could have been a 3060.. damnitromrunning - Thursday, February 25, 2021 - link
If they were on TSMC only, then the situation would be worse than it is now. TSMC simply can't produce enough, and none of these companies (Nvidia et al) paid them to ramp up more/faster last spring/summer when the "unprecedented" demand was clearly seen & felt.Consumers get the brunt of corporate greed, and they have every year.
Leeea - Thursday, February 25, 2021 - link
100% of stock is purchased by miners and scalpers.behindthedriver - Thursday, February 25, 2021 - link
Nvidia launching THE 3060 today because they only made one.Alistair - Thursday, February 25, 2021 - link
No stock, and even if in stock, they are launching $100 above the MSRP in Canada. Don't bother. 3060 Ti or nothing.JoeDuarte - Thursday, February 25, 2021 - link
You guys have really got to do something about all your typos. Do your realize that virtually everything you publish now is typo-ridden? It's unprofessional. Here's just one:"...using 15Gbps GDDR6 gives the RTX 3060 a total memory bandwidth of 360GB/second, 24GB/second more than what the RTX 3060 offered."
JoeDuarte - Thursday, February 25, 2021 - link
your --> you in the second sentence. I guess there's no way to edit comments?martinpw - Thursday, February 25, 2021 - link
A typo in a post complaining about typos? Irony can be pretty ironic.catavalon21 - Thursday, February 25, 2021 - link
It's a great reason an Edit feature would be helpful.catavalon21 - Thursday, February 25, 2021 - link
...WHY...an edit featureMachinus - Thursday, February 25, 2021 - link
Hard to beat the AMD paper launch.blppt - Thursday, February 25, 2021 - link
There weren't many stock, but I managed to pick up a 6900XT by watching my local Microcenter. Not a paper launch.Hxx - Friday, February 26, 2021 - link
By that logic there are no paper launches because reviews get a copy too. MC serves single digit percentages of the population and out of those only the first few standing in line grab a card and out of those only a couple grab the card they want (say a 6900xt). That’s a paper launch my friend. Do Enjoy yoursblppt - Friday, February 26, 2021 - link
A paper launch is literally none being available to the general consumer. There were many available A major part of the problem is the idiot scalpers out there. I missed getting one several times before it came in stock and I got to the local Microcenter in time. They had 10+ in stock multiple times, of multiple brands and models. Same with the 3090.Not a paper launch.
Machinus - Saturday, February 27, 2021 - link
There is no stock to begin with.Paper launch.
blppt - Monday, March 1, 2021 - link
THIS card might not have stock. But the 6900XT and 3090 had plenty of stock for a while. Physically IN STORE at Microcenter as I have repeatedly stated. I actually SAW them when I went to pick up my 6900XT, and was keeping track of the stock #s for a while.NOT a paper launch.
Machinus - Tuesday, March 2, 2021 - link
There is no stock.Paper launch.
blppt - Tuesday, March 2, 2021 - link
Yes, there was stock.Not a paper launch.
Machinus - Wednesday, March 3, 2021 - link
No, there wasn't.Paper launch.
blppt - Wednesday, March 3, 2021 - link
Yes, there was. Again, I will post a screenshot of my 6900XT in system if you keep being this childish.Machinus - Thursday, March 4, 2021 - link
No, there wasn't.Paper launch.
blppt - Thursday, March 4, 2021 - link
https://ibb.co/3pkWWFQPlease feel free to be quiet now.
Machinus - Thursday, March 4, 2021 - link
100% paper launch.blppt - Thursday, March 4, 2021 - link
Nope, proved you 100% wrong. And amusingly, just this morning I checked Microcenter in Flushing and Brooklyn, both of which had stock of 6900XTs---not much, just 2 at one and 1 at the other, but you could've actually trekked down there TODAY and bought one!LOLOLOL
Machinus - Thursday, March 4, 2021 - link
Paper launch confirmed.blppt - Thursday, March 4, 2021 - link
Paper launch=Machinus lieMachinus - Friday, March 5, 2021 - link
Paper launch.blppt - Friday, March 5, 2021 - link
No paper launch.Machinus - Friday, March 5, 2021 - link
Paper launch.Machinus - Friday, February 26, 2021 - link
i know a guy that won the lottery once.Paper launch.g
RSAUser - Saturday, February 27, 2021 - link
Neither AMD or Nvidia are paper launch, demand is just that high due first because covid and then crypto.Machinus - Sunday, February 28, 2021 - link
This time is different. There are massive shortages of chips. This GPU mining peak already passed, and cards were not imaginary products then. All launches are paper because there are no cards.blppt - Monday, March 1, 2021 - link
Please stop posting this lie. There was stock for a while, but BOTH miners and scalpers severely affected the amount available to John Q. Gamer.How do I know this? I checked several times over a period of several months as I debated picking up such an expensive video card, and watched the stock drain from double digits down to zero before I could get off work and drive to the store. Finally lucked out in a mid-double digit stock on a PowerColor Red Devil 6900xt at the Yonkers Microcenter, and managed to get there in time after work. They still had 4 or so by the time I got there, down from like 15 at the start of the day.
Its not a paper launch, no matter how many times you keep posting this. I would not have one in my PC right now if it was. I did not set up a bot, I did not even click fast through a website---I physically drove to a store and got it. Demand is high for these new cards, and the pandemic crushed silicon production, along with the simultaneous huge launch of RDNA2 equipped consoles.
Holliday75 - Monday, March 1, 2021 - link
There is stock coming available every day. It just sells out in seconds. I don't think this person knows what paper launch means.Machinus - Tuesday, March 2, 2021 - link
There is no lie. There is a massive worldwide shortage.Paper launch.
blppt - Tuesday, March 2, 2021 - link
Yes, you are lying. There was no paper launch. As I have already posted many times, I have a 6900XT in my system and there was a lot of stock depleted and replenished in the weeks leading up to my purchase.That is NOT a paper launch. Please stop it.
Machinus - Wednesday, March 3, 2021 - link
You are lying. These don't exist IRL.Paper launch confirmed.
blppt - Wednesday, March 3, 2021 - link
Yes, they do exist. And while I wouldn't say it was as easy as most hardware purchases I've ever made, it wasn't all that difficult to acquire.Would you like me to post a screenshot? Or will you be quiet before I have to resort to such silliness?
Machinus - Thursday, March 4, 2021 - link
I have a picture of Bigfoot.Paper launch.
blppt - Thursday, March 4, 2021 - link
https://ibb.co/3pkWWFQPlease be quiet now. Not a paper launch.
Machinus - Thursday, March 4, 2021 - link
100% paper launch.blppt - Thursday, March 4, 2021 - link
Nope, proved you 100% wrong. And amusingly, just this morning I checked Microcenter in Flushing and Brooklyn, both of which had stock of 6900XTs---not much, just 2 at one and 1 at the other, but you could've actually trekked down there TODAY and bought one!LOLOLOL
Machinus - Thursday, March 4, 2021 - link
100% paper launch.blppt - Thursday, March 4, 2021 - link
Nope, wrong again.Machinus - Friday, March 5, 2021 - link
Paper launch.blppt - Friday, March 5, 2021 - link
No paper launch.Machinus - Friday, March 5, 2021 - link
Paper launch.KCballer - Friday, March 5, 2021 - link
No paper launch :P2 vs 1 you lose
Machinus - Friday, March 5, 2021 - link
Double paper launch.sonicmerlin - Friday, February 26, 2021 - link
You couldn’t find any 3060s for MSRP. The cheapest I could find anywhere was $389, but of course that was sold out.candre23 - Friday, February 26, 2021 - link
Today I'm also launching my own new video card. It's 10% faster than the 3060, 15% cheaper, and 100% as mythical.Machinus - Friday, February 26, 2021 - link
Just as legit as NaviZak90 - Saturday, February 27, 2021 - link
Through Nvidia's smokescreen bullcrap, we ALL know they are selling direct to miners, and, clearly doing nothing to discourage their AIB partners to do the same. Meanwhile, their marketing machine is clearly on overdrive with more lies that the 'average Joe and gaming' is at their heart.-->> Anandtech, Guru3D, JayzTwoCents, Linus Tech Tips, HardwareUnboxed, Gamers Nexus, Paul's Hardware etc etc etc NEED TO WORK TOGETHER, for the sake of their credibility. Quite simply, if cards are unavailable then they give them NO AIRTIME.
They've done this before - and recently...remember that Nvidia-HardwareUnboxed-gate...?? Thanks to Linus etc Nvidia were forced to apologise and backtrack. The vast majority of info folks receive about PC products is via the internet. Work together, again, and use that influence!! Maybe then Nvidia will serve their gamer customers better.
What about AMD...?...unfortunately, multiple product lines...CPU's, GPU's...and both console contracts still to fulfil. However, if they can't supply gamer GPU's they their marketing, too, should be silenced.
Out of the two companies, though, Nvidia is especially shafting their potential gamer customers...something to take note of when this mining crap is over and Nvidia then wants to sell to gamers.
zodiacfml - Saturday, February 27, 2021 - link
this deserves an Anandtech review. not a fan of nvidia but negativity to this card is plenty in youtube. there is a reason why the performance is not so great.Hrel - Saturday, February 27, 2021 - link
I'm not even going to read this because the title tells me I am just not included as a "gamer" anymore... but $200 is still the ABSOLUTE EXTREME MAX CAP on the price I'm willing to pay for a GPU. $330 is Extreme enthusiast rich person. I'm not EVER going to go ANYWHERE NEAR that. FFS the 8800GT was available for $130 less than a year after it came out and it ran EVERYTHING! We're at nearly 3 times that?! THREE TIMES?!?!Moore's law died and, apparently, it took the entire computer science industry with it :/
Oxford Guy - Saturday, February 27, 2021 - link
+ inflation that is (and has been in recent years) a lot more dramatic than ordinary people have realized+ increased costs for developing parts as nodes shrink (look at the number of rules involved, for instance)
+ dire dire dire lack of competition
+ AMD competing directly against PC gamers to please MS and Sony, both of which are competing directly against PC gamers
+ government incompetence leading to the US not having adequate leading edge foundry capability
+ gaming still dominated by lowbrow standards, not taken seriously as an art form
Oxford Guy - Saturday, February 27, 2021 - link
+ the years of refusal (continuing) of Nvidia and AMD to gimp their cards against mining+ what looks like the sort of cooperative lowered-competition agreement that Google and MS have over Internet search (basically enabling Google to own the entire clearnet) between AMD and Nvidia. They each have their own niches and maximize revenue extraction. AMD had Polaris forever for PC gamers, leaving them to be 'free to choose' between successive iterations of non-competitive cards (Fury, Vega, Radeon VII) designed for mining and/or low competitiveness or they could choose Nvidia cards at price points inflated by lack of competition. AMD had the ability, for instance, to make Radeon VII a more competitive part. Instead, the company cynically gave it a small number of transistors with a small die and went crazy with the clockrate. Why bother to do anything more for gamers than that?
+ Nvidia supplying Nintendo with parts so it can maintain another walled garden. I've been less critical of Nintendo due to its portable form factor. But. really... there is no good reason why the Switch games can't be running on a unified software layer — one that is the same as PC gaming. So, really... Nvidia is also competing against PC gamers, although not as dramatically as AMD is.
+ people giving Intel the benefit of the doubt about it becoming a competitive third player in the gaming market, a benefit that the company has not earned. On the contrary, it has earned the opposite of the benefit of the doubt with all of its years of non-competitiveness in that market. Oh... just wait and Intel will save us! Oh... just wait and mining will be over! Oh... just wait and wait and wait. Einstein's definition of insanity on rinse and repeat cycle.
Oxford Guy - Saturday, February 27, 2021 - link
'AMD had the ability, for instance, to make Radeon VII a more competitive part. Instead, the company cynically gave it a small number of transistors with a small die and went crazy with the clockrate. Why bother to do anything more for gamers than that?'It was also proven that Vega's IPC was no better than Fury X. The only difference was clock from a node shrink. So, after so many years of intentional non-competitiveness, we're supposed to feel grateful that AMD has finally released competitive cards that no one can buy?
It's not the pandemic that's to blame. It's not mining that's to blame. It's a massive lack of competition that's the problem.
Oxford Guy - Saturday, February 27, 2021 - link
'It's a massive lack of competition that's the problem.'Which includes the fact that at least one of the two companies is competing directly against the PC gaming market by allocating 7nm production to 'consoles'.
Oxford Guy - Saturday, February 27, 2021 - link
Yay for gamers.You get to pay a lot for 48 ROPs and less VRAM than 'consoles' get.
This is what happens when the 'two competitors' have you by the dainty bits. You can choose to pay too much for this intentionally weak card (1080p, oh boy... just like Polaris was) or choose to have nothing at all. Isn't 1440 supposed to be the basic quality level for enthuasiast gaming? Maybe not. Polaris + cruddy Nvidia cards forever!
Capitalism is working well here. Instead of waiting in long lines in the hopes of getting something, people have the option of paying a whole lot for a whole lot of little. Or, they can skip the lines because there's nothing to get.
Nvidia could have put the brakes on Etherium with the rest of the line but chose not to. It could have announced that the first generation of models have been discontinued, in favor of "A" badge models, or something. But, no. You can have its table scraps and like it.
AMD could have chosen to produce GPUs for PC gamers rather than cater primarily to Sony and Microsoft by allocating 7nm production to their parasitic boxes. Consumers can still choose to start using their money intelligently instead of paying to be betrayed.
I find it all droll, though, since the games aren't much to write home about in the first place.
StrangerGuy - Thursday, March 4, 2021 - link
As a visual story, CP2077 was pretty decent. As a game though, it was awfully boring.sorten - Saturday, February 27, 2021 - link
$400 - $600 at Best Buy, and all sold out.I'll be hanging out with my 1660Ti for a couple more years.
dicobalt - Saturday, February 27, 2021 - link
This thing should be the price of a 1660 Super since it has the performance of a 2060 Super but is an Ampere core. I guess Samsung 8nm yields are as good as Intel 10nm.Driweagune - Sunday, February 28, 2021 - link
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wait.... i could buy that kind of performance for a year from AMD for the same price.nvidia has totally lost it. i hope many PC gamers switch to consoles and nvidia will have a hard time in the future. they are worse then intel after sandy bridge.
Oxford Guy - Tuesday, March 2, 2021 - link
“i hope many PC gamers switch to consoles”Sony, MS, AMD, or Nvidia? All benefit from the console scam.