"Exact retail pricing for these processors has not been officially announced, however it is expected to fall in line somewhere between the Threadripper and EPYC variants for those that have near identical comparisons,"
The pricing is obviously already released, as noted in the other article. Pricing for this motherboard is also already posted elsewhere.
He was obviously replying to "Exact retail pricing for these processors has not been officially announced" and the subsequent hypothesis "is expected to fall in line somewhere between the Threadripper and EPYC variants". No need for hypothesis, the prices leaked. And his URL doesn't just give a list the CPUs, it gives their prices, which are not in the above article.
To be clear though, I'm not holding it against the article to not have that information, I'm just making the point that ThereSheGoes was on topic and provided useful information.
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Or 'rather than ride on acceptable limits, let's make sure this thing is sturdy and cool in any scenario'. Some people are happy if their CPU is around 80C, others 70C max, others 60C max or lower. This appears to be very much the latter.
"The rear panel also has its own dedicated air baffle and shroud to help with cooling and air flow, with an additional fan located in the back here as well."
lazy engineers? Wow, that is really a great armchair comment. You must be highly qualified with degrees in electrical and mechanical engineering, and have many years in chipset design to know this. You don't even know what the fan is for, but I'm glad you have it all figured out.
"The rear panel also has its own dedicated air baffle and shroud to help with cooling and air flow, with an additional fan located in the back here as well."
Why else would there be a fan near VRM heatsink? Asus with its HEDT motherboards for last 2-3 years have been putting fans on solid slabs of aluminium on VRM. In many cases these fans are sitting behind restrictive mesh. Funnily X299 Prime did have a proper finned heatsink but never saw that design carried over to other models as it doesnt suit "aesthetics".
You dont need to be a geologist to know volcanos are hot and ddangerous, and you dont need to be an engineer to know that a fan on such a VRM is unnecessary when other brands, and models from this brand, have done fine without said fan before. This indicated either pointless bells and whistles or that thebrand is using lower quality VRMs that produce more heat, hence the need for a fan.
But good to know you think only certified engineers that include their credentials in every post are allowed to state any criticism, the rest of us should lick it up like good little guppies.
In actual fact, I'd say a lot of background work had to go in to justifying those fans - or rather trying to avoid them before accepting they had to exist, along with a lot of reliability testing.
This is a professional product. Dying after 12 months due to gimped fans is not an option.
More importantly any difference between Heat capacity and transfer between Al and Cu would be negated by the fact that a heat transfer pad or thermal compound would be between the chip/vrm's limiting the transfer rate lower than both are capable of.
On a scale from 1 to 10 where 10 is very weird and 1 not at all, how weird was it writing that paragraph referring to yourself as "our own Dr. Ian Cuttress"? :P
It already feels like a solid 8 from waving the "Dr." title when publishing that kind of content. Unless you're doing some doctorate-level stuff, or unless the title doesn't elevate you above the prestige of your work or status, it looks like hubris or compensation and is just awkward.
Meh, that's pretty normal, if a bit old-fashioned. He has a doctorate, and this is a professional setting, even if it's just a hands-on tech story. I was thinking mostly of the weirdly third-person self-referential part.
It would be nice to see Asus expand this line into other platforms and formfactors. The lack of superficial lighting, gaudy AF aesthetics, and gamer brah marketing nonsense is refreshing.
Also, nice to see a company that knows what "pro" means (its not really that hard), looking at your MSI and Asrock.
I'd rather have more internal fan, SPDIF, and USB headers and a power-on debug display than a bunch of lighting headers. This goes double for mITX and mATX boards where real estate is at a premium.
I can't for one second think that any of those companies don't *know* what "pro" actually means. It's just that normally they're marketing to gamers, so need to use the coolest words regardless of meaning. Also with a tiered system of increasing coolness as you go up the product stack/pricing.
"TR then add ECC support" My TR 3970X is running ECC just fine thank you. A very important difference, perhaps even more than the 8 channels, is support for up to 2TB of RAM, which goes hand in hand with support for Registered DIMMs.
AMD has said, time and time and time again, that ECC is not POR. There's also the added element that you can put in ECC, everything says it's running ECC, but without a confirmed test or reported errors, you're not actually running ECC. It's not POR, so that portion of the code doesnt have to be validated. It's a topic I've covered in depth before.
That will eventually tickle down to consumer boards but will probably be another 5 years. Most people don't have access to internet connections that fast at home.
There are not 3 ATX CPU power connectors on the board. There are 2 ATX CPU and 1 PCIE 8-pin. As we know, those are pinned differently (CPU power vs. PCIe power). Asus posted the user manual yesterday: https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/SocketTRX4/P...
I'm thinking will this have any sort of Threadripper 4000 or 5000 whatever AMD wishes to call the next Zen 3 based TR CPUs. That old X399 was a disaster in that aspect, completely EOLed deadend brick.
I wish this tech was not like this bonkers expensive. Can't imagine the cost of the Threadripper Zen 3 parts, if the Zen 3 Mainstream itself is priced high. Yes Intel exists, but their X299 is dead meat, except for I/O it's waste, too hot, too much power and garbage performance vs Ryzen and Intel's own Mainstream lineup.
Also if ASUS could do X570 passive chipset cooling, why couldn't they do it on this board with so much of area ? Yes I've seen Der8aur's video on X570. So this could have been passively cooled given the size, weight, specs for that Gen 4 SSD I/O and expected price. AMD probably will go 7nm for the Zen 4 chipset, given it's PCIe 5 making it even faster and power consuming.
AMD did an excellent job in this HEDT arena but sadly it's way too powerful for normal markets.
I wonder what the "custom realtec" audio codec will be. Probably some garbage we see on the mini PC's. 1000$ board and a $1 audio codec. Something this crazy should have a 12xx based codec at least.
The 12 and 16 core variants, due to being 2xCCD configurations will probably be unable to make use of the full 8 channel RAM bandwidth. At least its the case with similar Epyc configs. It would be interesting to confirm this in testing.
Yes, I don't think exercising with a 12-lb dumbbell is likely to produce much in the way of additional muscle...;) If you have trouble moving 12-lbs around--you've got some real problems physically, I should think. And unlike with laptops--you aren't going to be moving around with the motherboard in your hands...;)
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ThereSheGoes - Friday, January 29, 2021 - link
Show and tell only? No testing? Official pricing has been listed btw:https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-threadripper...
Samus - Friday, January 29, 2021 - link
There is no pricing for the motherboard in that link. Just the CPU’s - which are also listed here.ThereSheGoes - Friday, January 29, 2021 - link
From this article:"Exact retail pricing for these processors has not been officially announced, however it is expected to fall in line somewhere between the Threadripper and EPYC variants for those that have near identical comparisons,"
The pricing is obviously already released, as noted in the other article. Pricing for this motherboard is also already posted elsewhere.
ZoZo - Friday, January 29, 2021 - link
He was obviously replying to "Exact retail pricing for these processors has not been officially announced" and the subsequent hypothesis "is expected to fall in line somewhere between the Threadripper and EPYC variants". No need for hypothesis, the prices leaked.And his URL doesn't just give a list the CPUs, it gives their prices, which are not in the above article.
ThereSheGoes - Friday, January 29, 2021 - link
They actually aren't leaked prices - Threadripper Pro pricing is confirmed by AMD.ZoZo - Friday, January 29, 2021 - link
To be clear though, I'm not holding it against the article to not have that information, I'm just making the point that ThereSheGoes was on topic and provided useful information.Aninajoe - Sunday, January 31, 2021 - link
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Yep--about $900, according to the TH information:https://www.tomshardware.com/news/asus-wrx80-mothe...
WaltC - Saturday, January 30, 2021 - link
"The platform will be available sometime in the first quarter for €868, including VAT, according to a press release published by Hardware-Inside."Chaitanya - Friday, January 29, 2021 - link
Fan to cool VRM of motherboard which has atleast 1.5kgs of Metal on it tells a bad story of lazy engineers running amok.IanCutress - Friday, January 29, 2021 - link
Or 'rather than ride on acceptable limits, let's make sure this thing is sturdy and cool in any scenario'. Some people are happy if their CPU is around 80C, others 70C max, others 60C max or lower. This appears to be very much the latter.Valantar - Friday, January 29, 2021 - link
The fan is for the chipset, not the VRMs.Chaitanya - Saturday, January 30, 2021 - link
"The rear panel also has its own dedicated air baffle and shroud to help with cooling and air flow, with an additional fan located in the back here as well."Valantar - Monday, February 1, 2021 - link
Ah, I must have skimmed past that part. Seems utterly unnecessary given the use case for this...Dug - Friday, January 29, 2021 - link
lazy engineers? Wow, that is really a great armchair comment. You must be highly qualified with degrees in electrical and mechanical engineering, and have many years in chipset design to know this. You don't even know what the fan is for, but I'm glad you have it all figured out.Chaitanya - Saturday, January 30, 2021 - link
"The rear panel also has its own dedicated air baffle and shroud to help with cooling and air flow, with an additional fan located in the back here as well."Why else would there be a fan near VRM heatsink? Asus with its HEDT motherboards for last 2-3 years have been putting fans on solid slabs of aluminium on VRM. In many cases these fans are sitting behind restrictive mesh. Funnily X299 Prime did have a proper finned heatsink but never saw that design carried over to other models as it doesnt suit "aesthetics".
TheinsanegamerN - Monday, February 1, 2021 - link
You dont need to be a geologist to know volcanos are hot and ddangerous, and you dont need to be an engineer to know that a fan on such a VRM is unnecessary when other brands, and models from this brand, have done fine without said fan before. This indicated either pointless bells and whistles or that thebrand is using lower quality VRMs that produce more heat, hence the need for a fan.But good to know you think only certified engineers that include their credentials in every post are allowed to state any criticism, the rest of us should lick it up like good little guppies.
Dug - Monday, February 1, 2021 - link
Criticism based on no knowledge of this motherboard, or how it's going to be used. Keep up the great logical thinking.Atari2600 - Saturday, January 30, 2021 - link
In actual fact, I'd say a lot of background work had to go in to justifying those fans - or rather trying to avoid them before accepting they had to exist, along with a lot of reliability testing.This is a professional product. Dying after 12 months due to gimped fans is not an option.
Jorgp2 - Friday, January 29, 2021 - link
That aluminum heatsink probably doesn't sink that much heat, pretty sure a smaller copper one would be better.Operandi - Friday, January 29, 2021 - link
AL performs really close to copper overall, and there is probably no difference at all in semi passive configuration like this.rahvin - Saturday, January 30, 2021 - link
More importantly any difference between Heat capacity and transfer between Al and Cu would be negated by the fact that a heat transfer pad or thermal compound would be between the chip/vrm's limiting the transfer rate lower than both are capable of.Some people miss the forest for the trees.
Foeketijn - Sunday, January 31, 2021 - link
We used to have silver options when shopping for coolers. But in this case, the internal conductivity is not the limitation.Valantar - Friday, January 29, 2021 - link
On a scale from 1 to 10 where 10 is very weird and 1 not at all, how weird was it writing that paragraph referring to yourself as "our own Dr. Ian Cuttress"? :PZoZo - Friday, January 29, 2021 - link
It already feels like a solid 8 from waving the "Dr." title when publishing that kind of content.Unless you're doing some doctorate-level stuff, or unless the title doesn't elevate you above the prestige of your work or status, it looks like hubris or compensation and is just awkward.
Valantar - Monday, February 1, 2021 - link
Meh, that's pretty normal, if a bit old-fashioned. He has a doctorate, and this is a professional setting, even if it's just a hands-on tech story. I was thinking mostly of the weirdly third-person self-referential part.WaltC - Monday, February 1, 2021 - link
"Our own Dr. Cutress" seems simply amusing to me--ie, a joke, a jest, since he knows his name is on the by-line...;)Valantar - Tuesday, February 2, 2021 - link
Oh, I get that, but it's still a pretty awkward one :pOperandi - Friday, January 29, 2021 - link
It would be nice to see Asus expand this line into other platforms and formfactors. The lack of superficial lighting, gaudy AF aesthetics, and gamer brah marketing nonsense is refreshing.Also, nice to see a company that knows what "pro" means (its not really that hard), looking at your MSI and Asrock.
Lucky Stripes 99 - Friday, January 29, 2021 - link
I'd rather have more internal fan, SPDIF, and USB headers and a power-on debug display than a bunch of lighting headers. This goes double for mITX and mATX boards where real estate is at a premium.Hul8 - Saturday, January 30, 2021 - link
I can't for one second think that any of those companies don't *know* what "pro" actually means. It's just that normally they're marketing to gamers, so need to use the coolest words regardless of meaning. Also with a tiered system of increasing coolness as you go up the product stack/pricing.ZoZo - Friday, January 29, 2021 - link
"TR then add ECC support"My TR 3970X is running ECC just fine thank you.
A very important difference, perhaps even more than the 8 channels, is support for up to 2TB of RAM, which goes hand in hand with support for Registered DIMMs.
IanCutress - Sunday, January 31, 2021 - link
AMD has said, time and time and time again, that ECC is not POR. There's also the added element that you can put in ECC, everything says it's running ECC, but without a confirmed test or reported errors, you're not actually running ECC. It's not POR, so that portion of the code doesnt have to be validated. It's a topic I've covered in depth before.Mr Perfect - Friday, January 29, 2021 - link
That rear IO is god like. If someone wants to put that on consumer grade boards, it would be worth a premium.Makaveli - Friday, January 29, 2021 - link
That will eventually tickle down to consumer boards but will probably be another 5 years. Most people don't have access to internet connections that fast at home.alfalfacat - Friday, January 29, 2021 - link
Nice rickroll on the storage/rear IO picshasherati - Friday, January 29, 2021 - link
There are not 3 ATX CPU power connectors on the board. There are 2 ATX CPU and 1 PCIE 8-pin. As we know, those are pinned differently (CPU power vs. PCIe power). Asus posted the user manual yesterday: https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/SocketTRX4/P...Silver5urfer - Friday, January 29, 2021 - link
I'm thinking will this have any sort of Threadripper 4000 or 5000 whatever AMD wishes to call the next Zen 3 based TR CPUs. That old X399 was a disaster in that aspect, completely EOLed deadend brick.I wish this tech was not like this bonkers expensive. Can't imagine the cost of the Threadripper Zen 3 parts, if the Zen 3 Mainstream itself is priced high. Yes Intel exists, but their X299 is dead meat, except for I/O it's waste, too hot, too much power and garbage performance vs Ryzen and Intel's own Mainstream lineup.
Also if ASUS could do X570 passive chipset cooling, why couldn't they do it on this board with so much of area ? Yes I've seen Der8aur's video on X570. So this could have been passively cooled given the size, weight, specs for that Gen 4 SSD I/O and expected price. AMD probably will go 7nm for the Zen 4 chipset, given it's PCIe 5 making it even faster and power consuming.
AMD did an excellent job in this HEDT arena but sadly it's way too powerful for normal markets.
HideOut - Saturday, January 30, 2021 - link
I wonder what the "custom realtec" audio codec will be. Probably some garbage we see on the mini PC's. 1000$ board and a $1 audio codec. Something this crazy should have a 12xx based codec at least.p1esk - Monday, February 1, 2021 - link
I'm guessing anyone who cares will buy an external headphone amp.kobblestown - Saturday, January 30, 2021 - link
The 12 and 16 core variants, due to being 2xCCD configurations will probably be unable to make use of the full 8 channel RAM bandwidth. At least its the case with similar Epyc configs. It would be interesting to confirm this in testing.Fellovv - Tuesday, February 2, 2021 - link
Agreed. Dr Cutress, can you comment? I recall hearing no improvement going from 4 to 8 channels, perhaps it was due to half the CCDs.Freakie - Saturday, January 30, 2021 - link
So you said how much the box with contents weighs, and how much one heatsink weighs... but how much does the motherboard its self way? 😂Freakie - Saturday, January 30, 2021 - link
Errr, weigh*Tomatotech - Monday, February 1, 2021 - link
When asked, ASUS said the weight was ‘adequate’. Enough said.WaltC - Monday, February 1, 2021 - link
Yes, I don't think exercising with a 12-lb dumbbell is likely to produce much in the way of additional muscle...;) If you have trouble moving 12-lbs around--you've got some real problems physically, I should think. And unlike with laptops--you aren't going to be moving around with the motherboard in your hands...;)Techlover 23 - Tuesday, February 23, 2021 - link
Man this is a Beast! Asus Pro WRX80E Sage SE wifi board is the best for the Threadripper pro cpu! Msrp is only $999 and it got all the bell and whistle! Wow amazing