MediaTek's Helios P60T appears to be a 2 GHz A73 + A53 combination, in a 4 + 4 configuration. In a highly-threaded benchmark, the Intel cores would be running at base clocks, which means either 2.0 GHz or 1.1 GHz, depending on whether we're talking about 10 W or 6 W variants.
So, the MediaTek SoC has a core count and potentially clockspeed advantage. That said, it's a 12 nm chip that launched back in 2018, so probably not the sort of competition that Intel will be up against.
Isn't that one of the most common Chromebook SoCs? The Chromebook space is slow to adopt new SoCs compared to high-end phones due to the lower-margin nature. This is a realistic competition.
Unless you're saying ARM-based Chromebook makers are slower to adopt new chips than the x86 ones, that doesn't make any sense. Why wouldn't this reach the market at roughly the same pace as ARM chips that also launched in Q1 2021?
ARM processors like from Mediatek are primarily made for phones and then later repurposed for Chromebooks. I am sure it takes time for them to show up in Chromebooks which also needs Google's approval. I don't see anything other than P60T in market now..
Tack on a pre-Ryzen straw man like the A6-9220C and you can tell Intel is not bringing their A game to this fight. That Stoney Ridge-based processor dates all the way back to 2019 and is, in fact, a soft refresh of a 5-year-old Carrizo A6-9220. DOA.
Fair enough. That would be an interesting head-to-head. With 32 Gen11 EUs, I think Intel's Pentium Silver N6000 would easily beat Vega 3. However, it's less clear to me who would win on CPU performance, though I'd also give a nod to Intel for competing with 4 full cores.
It would be good if AnandTech can benchmark Zen 6W with these Jasper Lake 6W processors. Interestingly AMD only released 15W SKUs for Chrome (3050c, 3150c). https://www.amd.com/en/processors/chromebook
Only at the base 6W TDP. At the higher 20W Turbo TDP, no contest. However, this chip isn't meant for $600+ laptops. It's meant for for the $350-ish netbook and chromebook market. At a 35% performance improvement over the last gen, It does sound reasonably compelling.
No AMD Zen chromebooks available in the market either. You all don't seem follow Chromebook market. Other than Intel's processors, I see only AMD's A6/A4 and MediaTek's P60T- in the market. 2021 will be different and AnandTech should compare Jasper Lake with AMD 3150c (but is 15W fair comparison?) and MTK 8192/8195 after they come out.
Yeah, time time to upgrade the old D510 file server! We had to wait sooo long to have new low power chips like these. Now I'll wait for the mini ITX boards.
No joke. I went back to find their deep dive on the Tremont cores before the launch of Lakefield, and it was all the way back 15 months ago!
I wonder if the product cycle of Jasper Lake is gong to be short, since I've already been reading about Tremont's successor, Gracemont, for a while. Isn't that what's supposed to be in Alder Lake, launching (allegedly) in H2 of this year?
Don't really care for better/faster CPU that these, I just want a new CPU that uses 6W for a 24/24h on server (and possibly without a chipset that consumes even more that that). Git server is barely usable on this D510 when you try to clone a big repository with all the compression work needed.
I hear you. I got an Apollo Lake board for use in an always-on, fanless, light-duty server. Unlike ARM SBCs, it has SATA onboard and a standard form factor that gave me the freedom to select an appropriate case.
What don't you like about the ASRock boards? Just curious.
For another option, check out SBCs, like ODROID-H2+ (except that's still Gemini Lake) or UPBoard. I think UP Board even makes some with Atom chips that support ECC memory.
Does that mean Intel doesn't want us to have a choice.
Detroit kills off car brands like the Gremlin, Chevette, Neon, etc. When the quality is poop you just change the name and hope people forget. Contrast that to asian car manufacturers that would like to kill off quality brands such as the Fit and Civic but they know that would crater new car sales for a decade because it would drive up demand for used.
Intel should have given up on atom 10 years ago and they've had many opportunities and reasons to do so since and the fact that they haven't is proof that there is nobody driving.
Also, keep in mind that Goldmont was designed during the period when Intel was still targeting the cell phone handset market. So, power-efficiency was a higher priority for them than performance.
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SarahKerrigan - Monday, January 11, 2021 - link
Nothing says "confident in our product" like a comparison against a Cortex-A73...mode_13h - Monday, January 11, 2021 - link
MediaTek's Helios P60T appears to be a 2 GHz A73 + A53 combination, in a 4 + 4 configuration. In a highly-threaded benchmark, the Intel cores would be running at base clocks, which means either 2.0 GHz or 1.1 GHz, depending on whether we're talking about 10 W or 6 W variants.So, the MediaTek SoC has a core count and potentially clockspeed advantage. That said, it's a 12 nm chip that launched back in 2018, so probably not the sort of competition that Intel will be up against.
lmcd - Monday, January 11, 2021 - link
Isn't that one of the most common Chromebook SoCs? The Chromebook space is slow to adopt new SoCs compared to high-end phones due to the lower-margin nature. This is a realistic competition.mode_13h - Tuesday, January 12, 2021 - link
Unless you're saying ARM-based Chromebook makers are slower to adopt new chips than the x86 ones, that doesn't make any sense. Why wouldn't this reach the market at roughly the same pace as ARM chips that also launched in Q1 2021?Spunjji - Tuesday, January 12, 2021 - link
lol, nice spot.iwannadoit2 - Tuesday, January 12, 2021 - link
ARM processors like from Mediatek are primarily made for phones and then later repurposed for Chromebooks. I am sure it takes time for them to show up in Chromebooks which also needs Google's approval. I don't see anything other than P60T in market now..mode_13h - Tuesday, January 12, 2021 - link
You don't see Jasper Lake in the market now, either. Meanwhile, MediaTek appears to be in the midst of a bunch of new SoC announcements, themselves.iwannadoit2 - Wednesday, January 13, 2021 - link
Intel can only compare against what's in the market. The first comment in this thread was asking why A73?Hifihedgehog - Tuesday, January 12, 2021 - link
Tack on a pre-Ryzen straw man like the A6-9220C and you can tell Intel is not bringing their A game to this fight. That Stoney Ridge-based processor dates all the way back to 2019 and is, in fact, a soft refresh of a 5-year-old Carrizo A6-9220. DOA.mode_13h - Tuesday, January 12, 2021 - link
Sorry, what? You expect these to be competitive against Zen cores?Only at the same TDP. Otherwise, not a chance. Does AMD have any 6 W APUs?
spacebeer - Tuesday, January 12, 2021 - link
Yes, 3015e, 3020e & 3050ehttps://www.anandtech.com/show/15953/amd-zen-now-a...
mode_13h - Tuesday, January 12, 2021 - link
Fair enough. That would be an interesting head-to-head. With 32 Gen11 EUs, I think Intel's Pentium Silver N6000 would easily beat Vega 3. However, it's less clear to me who would win on CPU performance, though I'd also give a nod to Intel for competing with 4 full cores.I'm also curious about how pricing would compare.
iwannadoit2 - Tuesday, January 12, 2021 - link
It would be good if AnandTech can benchmark Zen 6W with these Jasper Lake 6W processors. Interestingly AMD only released 15W SKUs for Chrome (3050c, 3150c).https://www.amd.com/en/processors/chromebook
Zen 6W seem to be limited for Windows
Namisecond - Friday, January 15, 2021 - link
Only at the base 6W TDP. At the higher 20W Turbo TDP, no contest. However, this chip isn't meant for $600+ laptops. It's meant for for the $350-ish netbook and chromebook market. At a 35% performance improvement over the last gen, It does sound reasonably compelling.Spunjji - Tuesday, January 12, 2021 - link
I noticed that too. Competing against ancient tech, not a great look!iwannadoit2 - Wednesday, January 13, 2021 - link
No AMD Zen chromebooks available in the market either. You all don't seem follow Chromebook market. Other than Intel's processors, I see only AMD's A6/A4 and MediaTek's P60T- in the market. 2021 will be different and AnandTech should compare Jasper Lake with AMD 3150c (but is 15W fair comparison?) and MTK 8192/8195 after they come out.mikk - Monday, January 11, 2021 - link
It's Gen11 based which was already known. No AV1 hardware support unfortunately.tomli747 - Monday, January 11, 2021 - link
Isn't the N4505 2C2T?mode_13h - Tuesday, January 12, 2021 - link
I'm just glad to see Tremont-based CPUs finally launch (not counting oddball Lakefield).I have an Apollo Lake box and it's fine for certain things, like light-duty server and streaming. Tremont should be a substantial upgrade.
Software support (including GPU) worked flawlessly, for me. That's a definite advantage Intel still holds over most ARM-based competitors.
CiccioB - Tuesday, January 12, 2021 - link
Yeah,time time to upgrade the old D510 file server!
We had to wait sooo long to have new low power chips like these.
Now I'll wait for the mini ITX boards.
mode_13h - Tuesday, January 12, 2021 - link
No joke. I went back to find their deep dive on the Tremont cores before the launch of Lakefield, and it was all the way back 15 months ago!I wonder if the product cycle of Jasper Lake is gong to be short, since I've already been reading about Tremont's successor, Gracemont, for a while. Isn't that what's supposed to be in Alder Lake, launching (allegedly) in H2 of this year?
CiccioB - Tuesday, January 12, 2021 - link
Don't really care for better/faster CPU that these, I just want a new CPU that uses 6W for a 24/24h on server (and possibly without a chipset that consumes even more that that).Git server is barely usable on this D510 when you try to clone a big repository with all the compression work needed.
mode_13h - Tuesday, January 12, 2021 - link
I hear you. I got an Apollo Lake board for use in an always-on, fanless, light-duty server. Unlike ARM SBCs, it has SATA onboard and a standard form factor that gave me the freedom to select an appropriate case.Namisecond - Friday, January 15, 2021 - link
It will probably be only Asrock with their crappy implementation like last gen and a half.mode_13h - Friday, January 15, 2021 - link
What don't you like about the ASRock boards? Just curious.For another option, check out SBCs, like ODROID-H2+ (except that's still Gemini Lake) or UPBoard. I think UP Board even makes some with Atom chips that support ECC memory.
PaulHoule - Tuesday, January 12, 2021 - link
"For All?"Does that mean Intel doesn't want us to have a choice.
Detroit kills off car brands like the Gremlin, Chevette, Neon, etc. When the quality is poop you just change the name and hope people forget. Contrast that to asian car manufacturers that would like to kill off quality brands such as the Fit and Civic but they know that would crater new car sales for a decade because it would drive up demand for used.
Intel should have given up on atom 10 years ago and they've had many opportunities and reasons to do so since and the fact that they haven't is proof that there is nobody driving.
CiccioB - Tuesday, January 12, 2021 - link
I have not understood completely this comment.. do you think that Atom like CPUs are useless?mode_13h - Tuesday, January 12, 2021 - link
It sounds like you haven't followed their coverage of Tremont. It's an impressive little core.https://www.anandtech.com/show/15009/intels-new-at...
ET - Wednesday, January 13, 2021 - link
35% gen over gen improvement is impressive.mode_13h - Wednesday, January 13, 2021 - link
According to this, they claimed 30% improvement in the previous gen (although there was Goldmont Plus, in between it and Tremont):https://www.anandtech.com/show/10635/intel-quietly...
Also, keep in mind that Goldmont was designed during the period when Intel was still targeting the cell phone handset market. So, power-efficiency was a higher priority for them than performance.
Deprectuod - Monday, October 18, 2021 - link
It is https://www.anandtech.com/show/16388/intel-launche... a great article, thanks a lot!