OK intel, you've finally lost me. Announcing a future announcement of a product that won't be available until the next generation *should* be launching? They just decided when tiger lake was released that they should maybe work on an 8 core version?
If you need Tiger Lake U now, just grab the 4-core version - it is doing fine against AMD's latest 8 cores (big lead in ST, just a little behind in MT - also with better interfaces and faster storage).
8 cores are coming later. "H" is a showcase platform anyway, with marginal sales importance. 8 core U CPU is the actual product that Intel is working on - they will need it when next gen AMD arrives (6700U or whatever).
Are you sure Tiger Lake U 8-core is ever coming? I think it isn't, personally. I expect an "8 core" Alder Lake to supplant the need, with a smaller die size due to its Atom cores. Given that on multi-core workloads Tiger Lake can already hit thermal limits with its clocks, I'd actually expect the 4 Atom cores to outperform 4 additional Willow (Sunny?) Cove cores in sustained workloads just off of higher average clockspeed.
Yes it's coming - it isn't a year out it's a couple months out... Would be easy to release an AMD version, since it launches in much much lower and much fewer designs - Intel 8c H will be high volume in multiple designs.
Ice Lake is Sunny Cove on 10nm and Cypress Cove on 14nm (Rocket Lake) Tiger Lake is Willow Cove Alder Lake is Golden Vove
8-core Tiger Lake H (or what used to be called H-series; anyway, 45W-ish) is definitely coming.
8-core U series is not. I don't think Intel's going to put 8 big cores in a what used to be called U-series part at 10nm; even a 4 Golden Cove + 4 Gracemont Adler Lake is iffy for a sub-30W part, I think.
4+4 alder lake in 15w should work fine, it is made on enhanced super fin. As for 8 core tigerlake U, they can do it, but with lower frequencies. In any case, they would have something to gain, in terms of efficiency, with more cores since they could run them at lower frequency. You can see that with 4 vs 6 cores 10th gen skylake based parts. They don't do 8 core U parts because it costs extra silicon and given they have issues with 10nm scalability and yields they prefer a smaller die with huge frequencies.
a little behind? dude, Ryzen 7 4800U on Lenovo Yoga Slim 7 literally has nearly twice the MT performance of i7-1165G7. come on, don't compare it with Ryzen 7 4700U, nobody sells i7-1165G7 from 599USD.
Still better than AMD's "we'll announce something". "Oh, we announced a date for an announcement." Or the latest "you're going to see more RDNA 2 cards in H1 2021".
Shame that 8 core Tiger Lake won't be available socketed for z590. I get that Rocket Lake is needed due to limited 10nm capacity, but this would go toe to toe with Rocket Lake with lower power consumption, which would have been nice for a SFX system.
Waiting in the NUC11 Pro - which should be out any time now - won't be an H though - 1185G7 is the top spec for the upcoming NUCs - Maybe the Extreme (anything other than the 4.5"x4.5" form factor is tough calling it a NUC) will have the 45W 8C H.
I just want G7 - of the almost 70 I have deployed - CPU is not the issue - the GPU is - only the most modern we have deployed can do dual 2560x1440 and can not do dual 4K without serious lags -as more of my employees move to dual monitors - this will be a welcome upgrade. TB4 is also massive - the Sonnet TB3 to SFP+(10Gb Ethernet transceivers) will allow me to finally use the fiber I installed when I built this building, and will also make max use of the SFP+ ports on our new Cisco Nexus Switches - and the whole new network in general.
with the 20 PCIe lanes, and integrated TB4 - would be comparable...
The "limited 10nm cap" is an old meme - 3 full HVM lines - 1 is 10nm for Ice Lake SP - which is the 2 socket Ice Lake SP platform - 128PCIe4 lanes, 8Ch DDR4-3200ECC... and will be a ultra high volume launch - 2S is the bread and butter of the data center... 2 line working with at least SF - if not 1 already gearing for ESF - The Golden Cove trio (Alder Lake Desktop, Sapphire Rapids Server and an unnamed EVO SOC) is the beginning of 1 arch for all 3 markets, and with Sapphire Rapids - 1 arch for 1-8 sockets. - which was the way it was before Cooper Lake/Ice Lake SP
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ilkhan - Monday, January 11, 2021 - link
OK intel, you've finally lost me. Announcing a future announcement of a product that won't be available until the next generation *should* be launching? They just decided when tiger lake was released that they should maybe work on an 8 core version?notb - Monday, January 11, 2021 - link
If you need Tiger Lake U now, just grab the 4-core version - it is doing fine against AMD's latest 8 cores (big lead in ST, just a little behind in MT - also with better interfaces and faster storage).8 cores are coming later. "H" is a showcase platform anyway, with marginal sales importance. 8 core U CPU is the actual product that Intel is working on - they will need it when next gen AMD arrives (6700U or whatever).
lmcd - Monday, January 11, 2021 - link
Are you sure Tiger Lake U 8-core is ever coming? I think it isn't, personally. I expect an "8 core" Alder Lake to supplant the need, with a smaller die size due to its Atom cores. Given that on multi-core workloads Tiger Lake can already hit thermal limits with its clocks, I'd actually expect the 4 Atom cores to outperform 4 additional Willow (Sunny?) Cove cores in sustained workloads just off of higher average clockspeed.Deicidium369 - Monday, January 11, 2021 - link
Yes it's coming - it isn't a year out it's a couple months out... Would be easy to release an AMD version, since it launches in much much lower and much fewer designs - Intel 8c H will be high volume in multiple designs.Ice Lake is Sunny Cove on 10nm and Cypress Cove on 14nm (Rocket Lake)
Tiger Lake is Willow Cove
Alder Lake is Golden Vove
drothgery - Monday, January 11, 2021 - link
8-core Tiger Lake H (or what used to be called H-series; anyway, 45W-ish) is definitely coming.8-core U series is not. I don't think Intel's going to put 8 big cores in a what used to be called U-series part at 10nm; even a 4 Golden Cove + 4 Gracemont Adler Lake is iffy for a sub-30W part, I think.
yeeeeman - Tuesday, January 12, 2021 - link
4+4 alder lake in 15w should work fine, it is made on enhanced super fin.As for 8 core tigerlake U, they can do it, but with lower frequencies. In any case, they would have something to gain, in terms of efficiency, with more cores since they could run them at lower frequency. You can see that with 4 vs 6 cores 10th gen skylake based parts.
They don't do 8 core U parts because it costs extra silicon and given they have issues with 10nm scalability and yields they prefer a smaller die with huge frequencies.
Spunjji - Tuesday, January 12, 2021 - link
How? How are they going to fit 8 of these cores into 15W when they barely fit 4 in?They simply don't need to do this - TL is competitive enough with 4 cores at 15W, even with all the throttling.
brucethemoose - Monday, January 11, 2021 - link
I wouldn't call it "a little" behind in MT... Renoir is shockingly good at low clocks in 15W.But if you're buying a 15W device, ST perf is probably king anyway.
ilkhan - Tuesday, January 12, 2021 - link
Not available on the chassis I want. Or I would.ilkhan - Tuesday, January 12, 2021 - link
Honestly I don't care. Zen 3 or 8c tiger lake will be fine. Combined with Ampere it will do the job.Fulljack - Tuesday, January 12, 2021 - link
a little behind? dude, Ryzen 7 4800U on Lenovo Yoga Slim 7 literally has nearly twice the MT performance of i7-1165G7. come on, don't compare it with Ryzen 7 4700U, nobody sells i7-1165G7 from 599USD.staryards - Monday, February 8, 2021 - link
"it is doing fine against AMD's latest 8 cores big lead in ST, just a little behind in MT"Check the benchmarks, I think you meant:
"slight lead in ST, a colossal loss in MT"
ET - Wednesday, January 13, 2021 - link
Still better than AMD's "we'll announce something". "Oh, we announced a date for an announcement." Or the latest "you're going to see more RDNA 2 cards in H1 2021".onewingedangel - Monday, January 11, 2021 - link
Shame that 8 core Tiger Lake won't be available socketed for z590. I get that Rocket Lake is needed due to limited 10nm capacity, but this would go toe to toe with Rocket Lake with lower power consumption, which would have been nice for a SFX system.notb - Monday, January 11, 2021 - link
Just buy a NUC. Tiger Lake U/H will be available.Deicidium369 - Monday, January 11, 2021 - link
Waiting in the NUC11 Pro - which should be out any time now - won't be an H though - 1185G7 is the top spec for the upcoming NUCs - Maybe the Extreme (anything other than the 4.5"x4.5" form factor is tough calling it a NUC) will have the 45W 8C H.I just want G7 - of the almost 70 I have deployed - CPU is not the issue - the GPU is - only the most modern we have deployed can do dual 2560x1440 and can not do dual 4K without serious lags -as more of my employees move to dual monitors - this will be a welcome upgrade. TB4 is also massive - the Sonnet TB3 to SFP+(10Gb Ethernet transceivers) will allow me to finally use the fiber I installed when I built this building, and will also make max use of the SFP+ ports on our new Cisco Nexus Switches - and the whole new network in general.
Spunjji - Tuesday, January 12, 2021 - link
This is an objectively bizarre environment that you're describing.Deicidium369 - Monday, January 11, 2021 - link
with the 20 PCIe lanes, and integrated TB4 - would be comparable...The "limited 10nm cap" is an old meme - 3 full HVM lines - 1 is 10nm for Ice Lake SP - which is the 2 socket Ice Lake SP platform - 128PCIe4 lanes, 8Ch DDR4-3200ECC... and will be a ultra high volume launch - 2S is the bread and butter of the data center...
2 line working with at least SF - if not 1 already gearing for ESF - The Golden Cove trio (Alder Lake Desktop, Sapphire Rapids Server and an unnamed EVO SOC) is the beginning of 1 arch for all 3 markets, and with Sapphire Rapids - 1 arch for 1-8 sockets. - which was the way it was before Cooper Lake/Ice Lake SP
Spunjji - Tuesday, January 12, 2021 - link
If it's not about limited capacity, then why aren't they doing it? Having lots of manufacturing lines isn't much help if your yields are still poor.yeeeeman - Tuesday, January 12, 2021 - link
Then why call the 35W, 4 core parts "i7"?Spunjji - Tuesday, January 12, 2021 - link
Why not, when most customers will just see that name and buy it 😑JfromImaginstuff - Wednesday, January 13, 2021 - link
That's what people do in my country of residence, any generation i7- Sale!