AMD's dual cores will START at 2.2 and 2.4 GHz...already announced. And the TDP will be 100w (there was an errant report of 110w, but that has been corrected). Also, remember that that's an AMD TDP which yields a much lower actual power level (because they apply the worst possible scenario). Expect them to run in the 70-80w range under load...
Wow I am definitely wowed by the array of all these new tech coming out...ahh I love the smell of oncoming tech...quiet some perf increases eh? Nice..AMD is not going to be sitting around quietly, I am sure there will be some massive competition now Intel has gotten over its Prescott-can-scale -o-5 GHz fiasco...
At the end of the article, Anand says that ID and Epic will have multi-threaded gaming engines next year, but what about Quake 3 SMP? I may be insane, but I had a dual P-III 1ghz machine that I ran Quake 3 and RTCW in SMP mode by modifying a line in the .ini.
Anyone tried the awesome Q3 benchmark with SMP enabled on a P-4? That could give us a preview anyways.
This Intel show is much more promising than the Smithfield showcase. Hopefully these new cores will counteract global warming ;-)
That Truland 4S bus architecture + quad channel DDR2 support looks to be the final answer to AMD's CPU interconnect and on die memory controller. This will help the Xeon big time. It doesn't say however when Intel will launch this or how they expect it to perform in a 4-way box.
Yes, current leakage due to the smaller manufacturing process will increase at 65nm over 90nm, SOI helps, and strained Si increases the amount of current the processor uses (so transistors can be switched quicker, the chip clocked higher). Leakage has been increasing forever, every process shrink caused it to go up, but the problem is that it seems to be governed by an exponential function. It was small for a while, but now its increasing at a drastic rate. When Intel expected 4.5GHz out of a 90nm processor, now they're stuck at 3.8GHz, mostly because of leakage (and the way the P4 is designed didnt help much). The mobile core is better, but it was designed to not consume lots of power. Look at that HSF unit on the 65nm Jonah processor. You arent getting that into a notebook anytime soon (Jonah is a decendant of Banias, so thats why I put that in the frame of reference of a notebook PC).
And AMD isnt in much better of a boat, since the new TDP of the newest stepping of the Opteron is 90W (2.6GHz). AMD's dual cores may top out at 2GHz.
It seems quiet because posts are getting deleted as article gets updated. - LOL
We had a first post and a stupid russian joke when I was last here.
And there was this, let's say, interesting Moore's Law picture, that I was surprised nobody commented on. Let's just say that it looked like the guy had got an erection on the 65nm process - LOL.
Hey, is it just me or is the site kinda acting weird? I have to frequently refresh pages to get the body of articles to show up, and with the last two articles the text is invisible until I highlight it.
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first offIntel's 65nm is supposed to include SOI, something the 90nm doesn't include, so that should help. (correct me if i am wrong)
Next there are advantages for smaller processes. First off you can pack more transistors into the same size chip, also those transistors can run faster because of the reduced delay times (mainly from the reduced parasitic capacitances from the transistor size)
since 90nm has more leakage, and 65nm is just going to be worse, what's the big deal or the hype or the happy expectation of a processor that will leak and waste even more power?
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RectronBot - Thursday, March 3, 2005 - link
I find it odd because the photos depict ATX, not BTX, which Intel have been pushing of late. Are they un decided as well perhaps?Viditor - Thursday, March 3, 2005 - link
"AMD's dual cores may top out at 2GHz"AMD's dual cores will START at 2.2 and 2.4 GHz...already announced. And the TDP will be 100w (there was an errant report of 110w, but that has been corrected). Also, remember that that's an AMD TDP which yields a much lower actual power level (because they apply the worst possible scenario). Expect them to run in the 70-80w range under load...
suryad - Wednesday, March 2, 2005 - link
Wow I am definitely wowed by the array of all these new tech coming out...ahh I love the smell of oncoming tech...quiet some perf increases eh? Nice..AMD is not going to be sitting around quietly, I am sure there will be some massive competition now Intel has gotten over its Prescott-can-scale -o-5 GHz fiasco...solbergn - Wednesday, March 2, 2005 - link
At the end of the article, Anand says that ID and Epic will have multi-threaded gaming engines next year, but what about Quake 3 SMP? I may be insane, but I had a dual P-III 1ghz machine that I ran Quake 3 and RTCW in SMP mode by modifying a line in the .ini.Anyone tried the awesome Q3 benchmark with SMP enabled on a P-4? That could give us a preview anyways.
smn198 - Wednesday, March 2, 2005 - link
"While the Pentium D and the dual core Pentium EE are basically two Prescott 1M cores glued together..."I wonder what sort of glue they use
ceefka - Wednesday, March 2, 2005 - link
This Intel show is much more promising than the Smithfield showcase. Hopefully these new cores will counteract global warming ;-)That Truland 4S bus architecture + quad channel DDR2 support looks to be the final answer to AMD's CPU interconnect and on die memory controller. This will help the Xeon big time. It doesn't say however when Intel will launch this or how they expect it to perform in a 4-way box.
dm - Tuesday, March 1, 2005 - link
nice demo, i just don't like the chassis and that fancy effect on the stock intel cooler...kmmatney - Tuesday, March 1, 2005 - link
Its interesting that the motherboard used for all the dual core cpu's isn't BTX. At least it looks like a normal ATX board to me.bersl2 - Tuesday, March 1, 2005 - link
#8: The first series of dual-core Opterons will tentatively run at 2.2 and 2.4 GHz, at 110W maximum.Sorry to burst your bubble.
Jeff7181 - Tuesday, March 1, 2005 - link
That's awesome... can't wait for all this dual core goodness to hit the market and be reasonably priced.mikecel79 - Tuesday, March 1, 2005 - link
#5 I noticed it to.AtaStrumf - Tuesday, March 1, 2005 - link
Ups, this is a NEW article. Darn it, I sure messed up this time - LOL.coldpower27 - Tuesday, March 1, 2005 - link
Were also quite a bit away from the 65nm process still, so we still don't know what may happen in between that time frame.Doormat - Tuesday, March 1, 2005 - link
Yes, current leakage due to the smaller manufacturing process will increase at 65nm over 90nm, SOI helps, and strained Si increases the amount of current the processor uses (so transistors can be switched quicker, the chip clocked higher). Leakage has been increasing forever, every process shrink caused it to go up, but the problem is that it seems to be governed by an exponential function. It was small for a while, but now its increasing at a drastic rate. When Intel expected 4.5GHz out of a 90nm processor, now they're stuck at 3.8GHz, mostly because of leakage (and the way the P4 is designed didnt help much). The mobile core is better, but it was designed to not consume lots of power. Look at that HSF unit on the 65nm Jonah processor. You arent getting that into a notebook anytime soon (Jonah is a decendant of Banias, so thats why I put that in the frame of reference of a notebook PC).And AMD isnt in much better of a boat, since the new TDP of the newest stepping of the Opteron is 90W (2.6GHz). AMD's dual cores may top out at 2GHz.
AtaStrumf - Tuesday, March 1, 2005 - link
It seems quiet because posts are getting deleted as article gets updated. - LOLWe had a first post and a stupid russian joke when I was last here.
And there was this, let's say, interesting Moore's Law picture, that I was surprised nobody commented on. Let's just say that it looked like the guy had got an erection on the 65nm process - LOL.
Questar - Tuesday, March 1, 2005 - link
#2,65nm is a new manufaturing process. What part of new is it you don't get?
Sure is quiet in here. AMD fanbois gone licking their wounds?
Phiro - Tuesday, March 1, 2005 - link
Hey, is it just me or is the site kinda acting weird? I have to frequently refresh pages to get the body of articles to show up, and with the last two articles the text is invisible until I highlight it.overclockingoodness - Tuesday, March 1, 2005 - link
Dang! AnandTech is really doing live reporting from the show floor. Another update in the next two hours...WOW!SocrPlyr - Tuesday, March 1, 2005 - link
#2first offIntel's 65nm is supposed to include SOI, something the 90nm doesn't include, so that should help. (correct me if i am wrong)
Next there are advantages for smaller processes. First off you can pack more transistors into the same size chip, also those transistors can run faster because of the reduced delay times (mainly from the reduced parasitic capacitances from the transistor size)
Josh
sprockkets - Tuesday, March 1, 2005 - link
since 90nm has more leakage, and 65nm is just going to be worse, what's the big deal or the hype or the happy expectation of a processor that will leak and waste even more power?miketheidiot - Tuesday, March 1, 2005 - link
65nm up and running already huh?