Just to clarify, when Intel says a single SG1 can “power between 10 and 20 game instances”, they’re talking simultaneously, and the SG1 is undertaking the video encode only, and not the game graphics?
Or are they taking about running extremely simple games?
Because something akin an nvidia mx360 is certainly not going to be capable of running 20 separate instances of Shadow of the Tomb Raider.
Are such simple games really not playable "as-is" on older/basic/low end android smartphones without streaming???? Seems like tons of extra trouble to render a "simple" game at one place, encode, transmit, receive decode and stream it to a screen, when it could be locally processed?
Even the 765G is a mediocre performer in mobile games, before even considering performance per watt. The most optimized aspects of most mobile phones are video decode and network transfers, so it might actually be more power efficient from the end user's perspective to do this.
Indeed, and the average device chipset isn't even a patch on the 765G.
That said... I'm not entirely sold that Xe is *15x* more powerful than the average mobile phone GPU. 10x seems more reasonable. I feel like Intel might be fudging the numbers a little to make this look more revolutionary than it really is.
Makes sense. Catch #2 I see is that who is paying for the streaming service? How is it being funded? By someone with a low end phone? Whats the business model for this?
Is it just an artifact of camera angle, or are the different aspect ratios of the GPUs and ram chips in the left/right vs top/bottom oriented GPUs the result of a really lazy photoshop of the card?
This should also be transcoding beasts for conversion or other video work. My only quibble is that they went with LPDDR4X instead of DDR4L and some SO-DIMM slots to large memory pools. Conceptually that'd double the memory capacity of the card with just one SO-DIMM per channel.
I'd assume it's a question of what the controller is optimized for. Tiger Lake looks like it's effectively LPDDR4X-only (no designs are using even DDR4L) and Xe gen 1 looks like it's just using a lifted Tiger Lake memory controller. I'd imagine that the memory controller (since it's shared with the CPU) was the part that Raja (or whoever set the roadmap) looked at and said "eh good enough for round 1, let's fix these 5 fires over here first."
Remember how Netflix was a big hit and then it seemed many of the big companies said "me too" and started a TV service?
It's the same with game streaming, except in this case some executive was watching TV and saw an ad that says "Verizon has the best 5G network" and thought it was for real, then then other executives thought "What's our 5G strategy?" and they thought "game streaming".
It's particularly a hoot that this board plays Android games. I mean... Really?
I use Bluestacks to manage the IoT devices in my house that couldn't be bothered to make a PC application to control them. It always harasses me with ads for Android games that allegedly somebody plays somewhere. The screenshots look OK, but really? If I've got a PC that can handle Bluestacks I've got a PC that can handle Steam.
I have a NVIDIA shield and from the viewpoint of gaming it's a joke. I think the hardware is OK, the OS is busted, and the games are weak. I played through "Record of Agarest Wars" on it and the glitches were not that much of a distraction.
"Big Tech" is going to lose billions of dollars in game streaming and I just wish there was some prediction market that would funnel some of that money to the people who will be telling them "I told you so" next year.
Tencent supposes to develop a cloud game platform with Huawei, using Huawei's Arm servers for Android cloud gaming. Can anybody know Tencent changes their strategy or not? Arm on arm looks more compelling solution for android. Now Intel is focusing on Android cloud gaming with their GPU working with Tencent. So Intel is seeking an opportunity of Tencent cloud as well. Correct?
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brunosalezze - Wednesday, November 11, 2020 - link
As AdoredTV leaked months ago, the xe gpus are full of streaming stuff.yeeeeman - Wednesday, November 11, 2020 - link
this is just proof of concept. xe-hpg is the real deal and the one that will proper intel as a clear contender in the gpu market or another fail.hallstein - Wednesday, November 11, 2020 - link
Just to clarify, when Intel says a single SG1 can “power between 10 and 20 game instances”, they’re talking simultaneously, and the SG1 is undertaking the video encode only, and not the game graphics?Or are they taking about running extremely simple games?
Because something akin an nvidia mx360 is certainly not going to be capable of running 20 separate instances of Shadow of the Tomb Raider.
Ryan Smith - Wednesday, November 11, 2020 - link
"Or are they taking about running extremely simple games?"They're talking about running extremely simple games. Arena of Valor, for example, can be run at 15 instances per GPU.
robbro9 - Wednesday, November 11, 2020 - link
Are such simple games really not playable "as-is" on older/basic/low end android smartphones without streaming????Seems like tons of extra trouble to render a "simple" game at one place, encode, transmit, receive decode and stream it to a screen, when it could be locally processed?
lmcd - Wednesday, November 11, 2020 - link
Even the 765G is a mediocre performer in mobile games, before even considering performance per watt. The most optimized aspects of most mobile phones are video decode and network transfers, so it might actually be more power efficient from the end user's perspective to do this.Spunjji - Thursday, November 12, 2020 - link
Indeed, and the average device chipset isn't even a patch on the 765G.That said... I'm not entirely sold that Xe is *15x* more powerful than the average mobile phone GPU. 10x seems more reasonable. I feel like Intel might be fudging the numbers a little to make this look more revolutionary than it really is.
robbro9 - Thursday, November 12, 2020 - link
Makes sense. Catch #2 I see is that who is paying for the streaming service? How is it being funded? By someone with a low end phone? Whats the business model for this?Sharma_Ji - Thursday, November 12, 2020 - link
Le pubgM: can't keep proper 60fps on 2080Ti.DanNeely - Wednesday, November 11, 2020 - link
Is it just an artifact of camera angle, or are the different aspect ratios of the GPUs and ram chips in the left/right vs top/bottom oriented GPUs the result of a really lazy photoshop of the card?Ryan Smith - Wednesday, November 11, 2020 - link
I noticed it as well. I'm assuming someone took a top-down shot and then stretched it to fake being at an angle.MrCommunistGen - Wednesday, November 11, 2020 - link
Ah, that makes sense. I see the distortion now. The PCI-e power connector looks oddly flat.When I first saw the photo I was like: "Are they using different package sizes for the 2 GPUs in the middle vs the GPUs on each end...?"
alexvoda - Thursday, November 12, 2020 - link
Silly that they did this when you have 3D transforms in both Photoshop and Gimp.Kevin G - Wednesday, November 11, 2020 - link
This should also be transcoding beasts for conversion or other video work. My only quibble is that they went with LPDDR4X instead of DDR4L and some SO-DIMM slots to large memory pools. Conceptually that'd double the memory capacity of the card with just one SO-DIMM per channel.lmcd - Wednesday, November 11, 2020 - link
I'd assume it's a question of what the controller is optimized for. Tiger Lake looks like it's effectively LPDDR4X-only (no designs are using even DDR4L) and Xe gen 1 looks like it's just using a lifted Tiger Lake memory controller. I'd imagine that the memory controller (since it's shared with the CPU) was the part that Raja (or whoever set the roadmap) looked at and said "eh good enough for round 1, let's fix these 5 fires over here first."Spunjji - Thursday, November 12, 2020 - link
If it's Tiger's memory controller, it'll be interesting to see if they ever release LPDDR5 variants.quorm - Wednesday, November 11, 2020 - link
How popular is game streaming? I haven't really seen any data on users/paid users. Is the market growing?PaulHoule - Thursday, November 12, 2020 - link
Remember how Netflix was a big hit and then it seemed many of the big companies said "me too" and started a TV service?It's the same with game streaming, except in this case some executive was watching TV and saw an ad that says "Verizon has the best 5G network" and thought it was for real, then then other executives thought "What's our 5G strategy?" and they thought "game streaming".
It's particularly a hoot that this board plays Android games. I mean... Really?
I use Bluestacks to manage the IoT devices in my house that couldn't be bothered to make a PC application to control them. It always harasses me with ads for Android games that allegedly somebody plays somewhere. The screenshots look OK, but really? If I've got a PC that can handle Bluestacks I've got a PC that can handle Steam.
I have a NVIDIA shield and from the viewpoint of gaming it's a joke. I think the hardware is OK, the OS is busted, and the games are weak. I played through "Record of Agarest Wars" on it and the glitches were not that much of a distraction.
"Big Tech" is going to lose billions of dollars in game streaming and I just wish there was some prediction market that would funnel some of that money to the people who will be telling them "I told you so" next year.
kmizuno - Wednesday, November 11, 2020 - link
Tencent supposes to develop a cloud game platform with Huawei, using Huawei's Arm servers for Android cloud gaming. Can anybody know Tencent changes their strategy or not? Arm on arm looks more compelling solution for android. Now Intel is focusing on Android cloud gaming with their GPU working with Tencent. So Intel is seeking an opportunity of Tencent cloud as well. Correct?Spunjji - Thursday, November 12, 2020 - link
I suspect it's the first place they were able to... *ahem* "persuade" to take some of these on for testing.TheHughMan - Wednesday, November 11, 2020 - link
Intel just ought to go business to business. Their interest in retail consumer products seems to be waning.mooninite - Wednesday, November 11, 2020 - link
Wonder if this would work well for something like a Jellyfin server.JayNor - Saturday, November 14, 2020 - link
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