Wonder if we'll get MBP16. Or clock speed info about A14X (or A14T, on the off chance it shows up this early.) Either way, looking forward to seeing what's announced - I probably won't get one, but Apple's cores continued to impress the hell out of me.
2.6 GFlops would be quite pitiful. Better make that TFlops :-). Tigerlake (Xe-LP) offers 2.5 TFlops, Vega 8 in Renoir (4800U) 1.8 Tflops (at peak clocks). These are the fp32 numbers, double that for fp16. apple didn't specify if that's fp16 or fp32, so it's either slightly more or quite a bit less than those chips, but in any case there's a lot more to a gpu than raw tflops numbers.
It has to be FP32 based on TMU performance. Apple has no reason to double TMU performance compared to Intel, AMD, IMG and quadruple (!) to NVIDIA. They are not stupid.
Compared to 98% of PC laptops !! Compared to "latest laptop chip". Best in class performance per watt. All according to very detailed and clearly marked graphs in the presentation.
My beef with Apple is their presentations use way too many superlatives and this one was way over the top. That developer segment looked like a child wrote it. How much cheese would you like that hype? We get it: Apple chips are fast, but they need to give us a least some more top-level technical details compared to the competition. No hard reference points. On top of it, you can tell they are redoubling on their walled garden app ecosystem which is latching its tentacles into macOS. That is something they are not telling you in this video that many developers are complaining about despite the ease of development that the paid sellout shout-outs were praising.
These announcements are targeted at the general public. They wouldn't understand any of those technical details. We have Anandtech for a deep dive on the performance. You shouldn't trust manufacturers claims anyway.
Integrated storage controller and onboard flash memory? Yuck. I've recommended Macs to people who like macOS before but I can't do that in good conscience with an onboard SSD. That's not an acceptable tradeoff in the laptop form factor.
They didn't stop buying Apple products when Apple glued the battery in their cases, they aren't going to stop here either. Apple customers don't care about longevity or the right to repair. They just want it to work and believe they are getting the best there is whether or not that is the case. I've never recommended people buy Apple products because they don't work with standards that others can use to participate in their ecosystem. Nobody cares. Apple is still making too much money and too many shareholders believe in their totalitarian vertical control of their product stack. Apple was always a worse playing in the computing space than Microsoft. It's funny the "anti-corporate control" people ever clamored for Apple gear.
Maybe if you could get over your bias and hate for Apple you might make a sensible post. My 2017 MPB still works just as well as it did on Day 1. No issues with the keyboard, with the screen, with the operating system, with the applications or anything. I couldn't say that about the previous 2 Windows laptops i'd owned from Toshiba and Samsung. I honestly believe this MBP will continue performing perfectly until Apple completely stops supporting updates or until I find a way to fill up the 512GB SSD from my own negligence (I have a PC that stores my pictures and music, which accounts for the majority of my storage requirements). Apple's products are solid, enjoy long support and if one actually thinks about it's intended use-case scenario, then they fulfill their purpose quite well. I could never imagine keeping an PC laptop for more than 2 years without seriously compromising my sanity. I haven't had more to do than flip open my MBP and go on about my business in the 3 years i've had it. PC/Windows ecosystem doesn't offer that.
I just gave away a Toshiba Satellite L855D that works better than it did on day 1 via an SSD upgrade and RAM upgrade. Latest Windows 10 updates and all.
You're lying if you're claiming you've used an MBP from 3 years ago with no problems for any significant amount time, as the keyboard would've broken :)
Haha, very true. Had 4x MBP 16-18 keyboard replacements in the office in the last year and sold them on eBay shortly after. Went back to the 2015 model which is still decent, and even has a removable SSD!
My previous 15" MacBook Pro lasted 6 years, my current 15" MacBookPro is 3 years old and has just had a battery replacement, my partners 13" MacBook just packed in after 7 years, and my daughters 13" MacBook pro does require a battery swap now and that is only 4 years old. Battery swap quoted at AU$289 by Apple. So I would say not too bad overall. Certainly a lot better than the Dell Latitudes that are common at work, which have all sorts of hardware and battery issues.
Then there's the case of when things do go wrong... My 2016 MacBook Pro had the E key fall off, right when it's coming on it's 4 year anniversary... called Apple (even though didn't think this would fly as a warranty) and they not only replaced the bottom case (including updated butterfly keyboard and batteries), but also the top display portion... basically got a "new" 2016 MacBook Pro (which I can now sell for 1200Eur and get the M1 MBA).
When it comes to customer support there isn't another PC vendor that even comes close to the same league as Apple.
And it was completely useless thanks to that clever design where the fan has no physical link to the CPU heatsink. A cynic might say they designed it badly on purpose to make their M1 chip look better...
Fans don’t cool by conducting heat, they do so by moving air. There is absolutely no reason to have physical contact between the fan and the heatsink. It’s amazing how one stupid YouTube video spawned so many thousands of posts by people with zero understanding of how cooling systems actually work.
The MacBook Air and 13-inch MacBook Pro that these replace also used the same chip. All of Intel’s Ice Lake CPUs used the same die, they were just binned and packaged differently to create a product stack that allowed Intel to maximize revenue and overall yield.
R&D and 5nm have to be paid for somehow. Also, you need to adjust inflation from 2006-->2020 which is ~30%. Yeah, all that new tech for a marginal price increase...not too bad, well done Apple.
Apple’s net margins have been unchanged for the last decade. It’s all in the quarterly results. About 20%.
Considering that Google allegedly pays Apple $8-12B annually for Safari search traffic plus Apple makes billions from high margin AppStore etc. their hardware net margin is perhaps 15%.
Aside from how ludicrous this statement is just by the sheer performance and OS features you're getting in comparison, you aren't even remotely correct on your base claim. Money has inflated by 29% since 2006, and you choose to create an account just to post that.
Not Windows (there's a reason MS is having a second run at Windows on ARM), but Intel and AMD should be worried. It won't surprise me that if by 2040 all CPUs, anywhere for any purpose, are using ARM ISAs.
You've been choosing not to hear what people who understand the issue are saying. ARM never promised significant motion before 2020. The significant motion has indeed started in 2020. On the data warehouse side we have Graviton 2 (and the likely next big ARM announcement will be Graviton 3 at re:invent -- set your calendar for Nov 21). On the PC side ARM has no control over Apple (though they likely had some idea of their schedule), but they have Cortex X1 lined up and likely to start a slow, speculative movement to the desktop.
Honestly the main issue is not ARM, it is MS, who cannot decide whether they want to be an OS company or an x86 company. They've been Hamlet'ing this for 25 years now and still can't make up their damn minds. That in turn screws over the entire ecosystem because no-one wants to commit to nice ARM desktops, only to have MS change their mind next year. But if MS can't get their act together, how does the desktop evolve? In one corner you have Google. But they're as confused as MS about whether they want to support Chromebooks, whether they run Chrome primarily or Android primarily, and so on. In the other corner you have Apple. But of course people like you won't call an ARM Mac a desktop PC, even when they're at 40% of the market...
Wow, amazing specs claiming X times faster CPU and GPU. Will be great to see if its true, just sounds too amazing. If its true, ya x86 might finally be dead. Pretty skeptical though. It might be for some really funky scenario like at 1.5W with 32threads test LOL.
Well if you see the metrics they post and look at the battery life they promise, sounds pretty good to me. Really impressive to deliver about 70% more use time on 1 charge than what was on offer before these new products.
Yeah! Yeah! AMD and Intel are going to close their businesses cause Apple M1 is so much better! Please! Even if M1 is faster it is ONLY Apple producing it and no one will be able to buy it. Forget whole world will throw their software into bin and buy overpriced Apples.
What happened with iPhone 12? 13 billion transistors fastest mobile CPU in the world but speed like iPhone 11.
I will like to hear comments from Apple users who paid huge amounts for x86 based software and now will have to pay again. If ARM version will be available.
I feel like were getting a well engineered Chromebook. You can tout about all the things it can do, but at the end of the day, you can't do what you want.
Probably much more advanced than that but not a bad analogy. Really like Chromebooks but some limitations that make them infuriating, same as when I’ve tried to use Mac OS before. And gives Apple even more excuse to not have any user serviceable parts.
One thing I really hate about Apple presentations is that they always say that the new model is the best ever. Like you would be introducing a new model if it wasn't better than the old. It is such a stupid comment.
Also, the comparison of up to 3x faster than the previous model, what does that mean when their were multiple processor choices? The fastest or the slowest?
When has their X times performance increase ever been ambiguous in the history of ever? They've been consistent for literal decades on their performance comparisons, and it's always been against their product lineup it's directly replacing, which in this case is their entire mba and entry-level mbp laptops. Would you make similar comments if they said "20% brighter screen", or would you be a sane person that can make the inference.
Can you actually read? The product lineup that they are replacing has multiple processor option, so it is fairly crucial to understand what exactly they are comparing to. The Mac Mini and Air were both available with 3 processor choices, while the Pro was available with 4 processor choices.
I'm surprised by the 16 GB RAM limitation as well, especially on the Macbook Pro and Mac mini. But 2 USB4 ports is enough. USB2 is more than enough for most devices (keyboard, mouse, etc.)
Apple bloggers have been saying for months that there would be no redesign of the form factor - just like the PPC-Intel transition in 2005, we're getting exactly the same external appearance with vastly upgraded internals.
Apple is still selling the Intel 4-port Macbook Pro. They're still selling the Intel Mini. It's pretty clear that the M1 is *not* the Apple silicon chip for people who need lots of ports on a laptop, lots of RAM, or absolutely the fastest possible performance. That chip will come later, and be going in the 4 port Macbooks and the Imac.
The only thing you can configure on any of the macs released today is the amount of storage (exception - you can get the air with 7 or 8 GPU cores). Different tiers of performance will have to wait for the M2, or M1X, or whatever they call the next chip. And (consults tea leaves) that will be the chip for coders and other people who must have more than 16gb of ram or more than 2 ports.
Presentation aside, if this is actually true, then they have a winner. Well, at least for Apple users. For the users that were in the middle with Parallels, this will be a deal breaker since these won't run Windows anymore.
As usual, Apple does not speak specifics and only talks in layman-friendly superlatives and "up to" in-house performance metrics. Their exclusive claim to perform 8K decoding that no other compact 3-lbs notebook can do, by the way, I believe is markedly false. I have a Renoir chip in-house and will test Davinci Resolve to see if the hardware decoding still works. If it does, any of the sub-3-lbs. Renoir ultrabooks (which have 8K decoding in their VCN codec block) join Apple in that so-called exclusive claim to fame.
Why on earth are you using FP16 figures for Intel? We also know it's 81Gtexels/s. If 2.6Tflops were FP16, that would mean 8ALU per TMU. That's extremely unbalanced. NOBODY in 2020 would design GPU this heavily tilted towards texture, nobody.
Preliminary fact check: Apple was ostensibly false in stating that its sub 3.0-lbs MacBook Pro with their new M1 processor is the only product of its notebook class (price and weight) supporting 8K playback in Davinci Resolve. AMD "Renoir" Ryzen 4000 series APUs, which are found in several sub-3.0-lbs. ultrabooks (e.g. Lenovo IdeaPad S540 13 and MSI Modern 14), utilize an updated Video Core Next (VCE) video codec that supports decoding 8K video in hardware. In all paid versions, DaVinci Resolve fully supports hardware decoding.
Outside of DaVinci Resolve (which I am in the process of downloading as I type), Renoir officially supports 8K video playback without dropping. That has been well-known by developers for some time. I think Apple has become so preoccupied with a certain company called Intel that they have forgotten that AMD has become a relevant force today in computing:
Your source literally doesn't say that, only that it supports the codec and nothing about performance. Apple made a performance claim, not a specification claim.
Two Thunderbolt / USB 4 ports with support for: DisplayPort Thunderbolt 3 (up to 40Gb/s) USB 3.1 Gen 2 (up to 10Gb/s) Thunderbolt 2, HDMI, DVI, and VGA supported using adapters (sold separately)
They are Thunderbolt 4 ports. TB4 is USB4 with Thunderbolt 3 interoperability (and various other minimum requirements). TB4 ports support native USB4, USB3 Gen 2, Thunderbolt 3, and DisplayPort 1.4a signaling—which is exactly how Apple describes these ports.
Nope. Nor are they mentioned in the USB4 spec, or available on Tiger Lake or Renoir platforms for that matter. Nonetheless, the display controller on the M1 does seem a tad weak.
Seems like a great processor, however this time around I found Apple's baseless assertions absurdly off-putting (baseless as in, they don't tell what they're basing anything on, not that they are necessarily false). How about a real graph with real data, including competitors?
The mini, as always, is obscenely overpriced and I don't see why anyone would purchase one. Ironically, because the Air uses the M1 as well, I don't think the Pro will be able to justify its existence.
Also, while expected, it's still very disappointing that they kept the prices of the Air and the Pro the same, despite the fact that their designs are fairly outdated and that they're saving at least $150 per computer sold.
Yeah, I just went to their website and I can't believe you have to pay $1450 for a Macbook Air and $1700 for a Pro to get 512 GB and 16 GB of RAM. Their prices are laughable. Well, let's hope Qualcomm and MS can bring ARM to the PC quickly, so that we get to enjoy the benefits of fast and efficient processors without paying absurd prices for RAM and storage.
I don't think there will be much of a difference between the two performance-wise, but I'm opened to be surprised. Oh, and they will definitively redesigned their laptops, Apple products are 50% aesthetics, 50% usability.
Mr. Tim "Margins" Cook probably had a big say in that cool move. Apple is doing well right now, but some bellweather stock sales by key Wall Street heavyweights do not paint a good picture in five years from now. Apple is tightening their grip on their walled garden by extending it to macOS which, coupled with the stagnation in their performance upswing with the A14, does not paint a good picture for the future. Developers want an open ecosystem and Apple laptops are not that environment.
Maybe I'm being a dick for even noticing -- no-one else has said anything, and that's perhaps how it should be -- but I think it's cool that all three product line managers are women.
Possibly the most interesting Mac computers of all times. What remains to be seen is how is the multi-thread performance. With only 4 cores and no SMT, this M1 chip could perform well with 1-4 threads but not so much with more.
The other 4 "small" cores are likely not going to be of any help when multithreading, they are only there for power saving.
The 4 cores are the equivalent of SMT. Each worth about 1/4 of a core, like SMT. Think of this in Intel terms as as a 4core SMT machine. BUT without the limitations that prevent max turbo from running on more than one CPU for more than a few seconds.
These are the lowest end macs Apple ships. The mid range and high end machines will come in time.
As always, the Apple tax on upgrades is hard. +250 $CAD to upgrade the RAM from 8 to 16 GB or the SSD from 256 to 512 GB. And since everything is soldered, you can't avoid the tax.
They are... or rather, were popular at colleges and universities. Computer Science and engineering departments now are having to post bulletins to NOT buy them since they do not support virtualization and other necessary development technologies. Oh, and the one external monitor limit is also a huge slap in the face for Apple users with three-monitor docks, because those are no longer usable.
They support virtualization just fine, but not for x86. I reckon someone will release an x86 emulator for Apple silicon Macs at some point. (The new Rosetta does binary translation, not emulation.)
The M1 only supporting two display streams and up to 16GB of RAM are pretty massive limitations, but I suppose we are talking about an SoC that can operate in a fabless platform.
Nice hardware, I'd love getting one, if only I could use it any way I want.
With Apple buying it doesn't mean you own it, because ownership implies control, the ability to swap out parts of the hardware and software as you see fit.
Last Apple I really liked was my Apple ][ clone, because it was an open architecture.
That is the huge problem which is why you are seeing a huge influx of MacBook-looking Linux laptops coincidentally hitting the market months before this happened. They knew this was coming and Apple is going to lose the developer buyers in droves now that the open, virtualization-capable ecosystem is going bye bye.
Found some apples to apples .... Apple says: "With an 8‑core CPU and 8‑core GPU, M1 on MacBook Pro delivers up to 2.8x faster CPU performance¹ and up to 5x faster graphics² than the previous generation." in their disclaimers, they say 1) Testing conducted by Apple in October 2020 using preproduction 13‑inch MacBook Pro systems with Apple M1 chip, as well as production 1.7GHz quad‑core Intel Core i7‑based 13‑inch MacBook Pro systems, all configured with 16GB RAM and 2TB SSD. Open source project built with prerelease Xcode 12.2 with Apple Clang 12.0.0, Ninja 1.10.0.git, and CMake 3.16.5. Performance tests are conducted using specific computer systems and reflect the approximate performance of MacBook Pro. 2) Testing conducted by Apple in October 2020 using preproduction 13‑inch MacBook Pro systems with Apple M1 chip, as well as production 1.7GHz quad‑core Intel Core i7‑based 13‑inch MacBook Pro systems with Intel Iris Plus Graphics 645, all configured with 16GB RAM and 2TB SSD. Tested with prerelease Final Cut Pro 10.5 using a 10‑second project with Apple ProRes 422 video at 3840x2160 resolution and 30 frames per second. Performance tests are conducted using specific computer systems and reflect the approximate performance of MacBook Pro.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the 1.7ghz/Iris 645 2 generations old? Tiger lake would have something to say about this .... Is Tim Cook talking up 5nm vs 14nm 2 generations back?
Yeah, that’s Coffee Lake 4+3e / 8th Gen. It technically is the previous generation of the 13-inch MacBook Pro with two Thunderbolt ports though. The four Thunderbolt port model is the one with Ice Lake.
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Vik32 - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Andrei, will there be a deep review of the A14 today?Andrei Frumusanu - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Yes, I'll be integrating whatever Apple tells us today into the article.Vik32 - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Thank you very much !augustofretes - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Well, at least you didn't have to change anything haha.SarahKerrigan - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Wonder if we'll get MBP16. Or clock speed info about A14X (or A14T, on the off chance it shows up this early.) Either way, looking forward to seeing what's announced - I probably won't get one, but Apple's cores continued to impress the hell out of me.The fun begins immediately!
SteveX107 - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
What about GPU? Do they have some suprises about them as well?dotjaz - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
This looks like (at least spec-wise) a replica of BXT-32-1024MC4 running at 635MHz. Or AXT-64-2048/BXT-32-1024MC2 running at 1.27GHz.prophet001 - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Zero respect for Apple.What kind of company would actively oppose right to repair.
Zingam - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
God doesn't make repairable stuff!SIDtech - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
2.6 Gigaflops integrated graphics. I thought the top tier Xe integrated graphics as well as Vega 8 in Renoir is at that same ballpark, if not higherAgent Smith - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Yes Vega is more but uses up to 65Wdanbob999 - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Renoir tops at 1.8 Gflops (4900H) but starts much lower (0.9 Gflops for 4300U)This is impressive performance.
danbob999 - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Oops I meant Tflops, not Gflops obviously.nerd1 - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
You need to double check what precision those numbers are based onmczak - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
2.6 GFlops would be quite pitiful. Better make that TFlops :-).Tigerlake (Xe-LP) offers 2.5 TFlops, Vega 8 in Renoir (4800U) 1.8 Tflops (at peak clocks). These are the fp32 numbers, double that for fp16. apple didn't specify if that's fp16 or fp32, so it's either slightly more or quite a bit less than those chips, but in any case there's a lot more to a gpu than raw tflops numbers.
dotjaz - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
It has to be FP32 based on TMU performance. Apple has no reason to double TMU performance compared to Intel, AMD, IMG and quadruple (!) to NVIDIA. They are not stupid.5080 - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Much faster! but compared to what?Dug - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
You know- that unkown computer running unknown software.Zingam - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
My Apple II clone!Teckk - Wednesday, November 11, 2020 - link
Compared to 98% of PC laptops !! Compared to "latest laptop chip". Best in class performance per watt. All according to very detailed and clearly marked graphs in the presentation.Hifihedgehog - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
My beef with Apple is their presentations use way too many superlatives and this one was way over the top. That developer segment looked like a child wrote it. How much cheese would you like that hype? We get it: Apple chips are fast, but they need to give us a least some more top-level technical details compared to the competition. No hard reference points. On top of it, you can tell they are redoubling on their walled garden app ecosystem which is latching its tentacles into macOS. That is something they are not telling you in this video that many developers are complaining about despite the ease of development that the paid sellout shout-outs were praising.vanilla_gorilla - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
These announcements are targeted at the general public. They wouldn't understand any of those technical details. We have Anandtech for a deep dive on the performance. You shouldn't trust manufacturers claims anyway.lmcd - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Integrated storage controller and onboard flash memory? Yuck. I've recommended Macs to people who like macOS before but I can't do that in good conscience with an onboard SSD. That's not an acceptable tradeoff in the laptop form factor.Coldfriction - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
They didn't stop buying Apple products when Apple glued the battery in their cases, they aren't going to stop here either. Apple customers don't care about longevity or the right to repair. They just want it to work and believe they are getting the best there is whether or not that is the case. I've never recommended people buy Apple products because they don't work with standards that others can use to participate in their ecosystem. Nobody cares. Apple is still making too much money and too many shareholders believe in their totalitarian vertical control of their product stack. Apple was always a worse playing in the computing space than Microsoft. It's funny the "anti-corporate control" people ever clamored for Apple gear.elforeign - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Maybe if you could get over your bias and hate for Apple you might make a sensible post. My 2017 MPB still works just as well as it did on Day 1. No issues with the keyboard, with the screen, with the operating system, with the applications or anything. I couldn't say that about the previous 2 Windows laptops i'd owned from Toshiba and Samsung. I honestly believe this MBP will continue performing perfectly until Apple completely stops supporting updates or until I find a way to fill up the 512GB SSD from my own negligence (I have a PC that stores my pictures and music, which accounts for the majority of my storage requirements). Apple's products are solid, enjoy long support and if one actually thinks about it's intended use-case scenario, then they fulfill their purpose quite well. I could never imagine keeping an PC laptop for more than 2 years without seriously compromising my sanity. I haven't had more to do than flip open my MBP and go on about my business in the 3 years i've had it. PC/Windows ecosystem doesn't offer that.lmcd - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
I just gave away a Toshiba Satellite L855D that works better than it did on day 1 via an SSD upgrade and RAM upgrade. Latest Windows 10 updates and all.You're lying if you're claiming you've used an MBP from 3 years ago with no problems for any significant amount time, as the keyboard would've broken :)
plewis00 - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Haha, very true. Had 4x MBP 16-18 keyboard replacements in the office in the last year and sold them on eBay shortly after. Went back to the 2015 model which is still decent, and even has a removable SSD!elforeign - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
It's largely user error I would imagine.hlovatt - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
My previous 15" MacBook Pro lasted 6 years, my current 15" MacBookPro is 3 years old and has just had a battery replacement, my partners 13" MacBook just packed in after 7 years, and my daughters 13" MacBook pro does require a battery swap now and that is only 4 years old. Battery swap quoted at AU$289 by Apple. So I would say not too bad overall. Certainly a lot better than the Dell Latitudes that are common at work, which have all sorts of hardware and battery issues.cpugod - Wednesday, November 11, 2020 - link
Then there's the case of when things do go wrong... My 2016 MacBook Pro had the E key fall off, right when it's coming on it's 4 year anniversary... called Apple (even though didn't think this would fly as a warranty) and they not only replaced the bottom case (including updated butterfly keyboard and batteries), but also the top display portion... basically got a "new" 2016 MacBook Pro (which I can now sell for 1200Eur and get the M1 MBA).When it comes to customer support there isn't another PC vendor that even comes close to the same league as Apple.
allanxp4 - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
It's been like this since 2016Agent Smith - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
I'm confused?So the Pro is exactly the same chip as the Air?
Glaurung - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
But with active cooling. AFAICT, Apple just replaced all of the macs that used Intel GPUs.Meteor2 - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Must have different clockspeeds, at least for sustained turboelforeign - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
MBP 16" still Intel only.Glaurung - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
All the intel graphics macs, except for the 13" Macbook pro with 4 ports - the new M1 ones only have two ports.You can still get an Intel MBP and an Intel Mac Mini. The Intel Macbook Air seems to be gone.
dudedud - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Wait, just the Pro has a cooler?Didn't the previous macbook air had one? Although somewhat useless, still had it.
Glaurung - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Yes, the Intel Air had a fan. The only fanless mac (other than the G3 Imac and G4 cube) was the 12" no-suffix Macbook.plewis00 - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
And it was completely useless thanks to that clever design where the fan has no physical link to the CPU heatsink. A cynic might say they designed it badly on purpose to make their M1 chip look better...repoman27 - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Fans don’t cool by conducting heat, they do so by moving air. There is absolutely no reason to have physical contact between the fan and the heatsink. It’s amazing how one stupid YouTube video spawned so many thousands of posts by people with zero understanding of how cooling systems actually work.Roy2002 - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Yes but different TDP and perhaps frequency.repoman27 - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
The MacBook Air and 13-inch MacBook Pro that these replace also used the same chip. All of Intel’s Ice Lake CPUs used the same die, they were just binned and packaged differently to create a product stack that allowed Intel to maximize revenue and overall yield.repoman27 - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Oops, the M1 based MacBook Pro replaces the Coffee Lake version, not the Ice Lake version, so scratch that.defaultluser - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
$100 lower than the old intro price...but still $100 more than the Core Solo Mac Mini I bought.back in 2006.Of course Apple going to play-up "price reductions" while their margins grow even fatter.
mkaibear - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Due to a little thing called inflation your $599 Mac Mini is the equivalent of $773 today...Glaurung - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
I think there have only been two times when the mini started at 499 - 2005, and 2014. Every other mini has started at 599 or higher.elforeign - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
R&D and 5nm have to be paid for somehow. Also, you need to adjust inflation from 2006-->2020 which is ~30%. Yeah, all that new tech for a marginal price increase...not too bad, well done Apple.Zerrohero - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Apple’s net margins have been unchanged for the last decade. It’s all in the quarterly results. About 20%.Considering that Google allegedly pays Apple $8-12B annually for Safari search traffic plus Apple makes billions from high margin AppStore etc. their hardware net margin is perhaps 15%.
Have a nice day.
Glaurung - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Correction: Apple's margin on hardware is 30-35%.repoman27 - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
*Gross* margin for products (i.e. stuff that isn’t included in services) was 31.5% for FY 2020.mesahusa - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Aside from how ludicrous this statement is just by the sheer performance and OS features you're getting in comparison, you aren't even remotely correct on your base claim. Money has inflated by 29% since 2006, and you choose to create an account just to post that.Agent Smith - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
I think the M1x didn't get made in time for the 13" ProArsani - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
windows is officially f*cked69369369 - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Whatever you say bud.Arsani - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
I am a windows guy myself but the new soc from apple seems too good to be true.Meteor2 - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Not Windows (there's a reason MS is having a second run at Windows on ARM), but Intel and AMD should be worried. It won't surprise me that if by 2040 all CPUs, anywhere for any purpose, are using ARM ISAs.Coldfriction - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
We've been hearing that for the better part of the last two decades. Yet it never happens.name99 - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
You've been choosing not to hear what people who understand the issue are saying.ARM never promised significant motion before 2020. The significant motion has indeed started in 2020.
On the data warehouse side we have Graviton 2 (and the likely next big ARM announcement will be Graviton 3 at re:invent -- set your calendar for Nov 21).
On the PC side ARM has no control over Apple (though they likely had some idea of their schedule), but they have Cortex X1 lined up and likely to start a slow, speculative movement to the desktop.
Honestly the main issue is not ARM, it is MS, who cannot decide whether they want to be an OS company or an x86 company. They've been Hamlet'ing this for 25 years now and still can't make up their damn minds. That in turn screws over the entire ecosystem because no-one wants to commit to nice ARM desktops, only to have MS change their mind next year.
But if MS can't get their act together, how does the desktop evolve?
In one corner you have Google. But they're as confused as MS about whether they want to support Chromebooks, whether they run Chrome primarily or Android primarily, and so on.
In the other corner you have Apple. But of course people like you won't call an ARM Mac a desktop PC, even when they're at 40% of the market...
webdoctors - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Wow, amazing specs claiming X times faster CPU and GPU. Will be great to see if its true, just sounds too amazing. If its true, ya x86 might finally be dead. Pretty skeptical though. It might be for some really funky scenario like at 1.5W with 32threads test LOL.elforeign - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Well if you see the metrics they post and look at the battery life they promise, sounds pretty good to me. Really impressive to deliver about 70% more use time on 1 charge than what was on offer before these new products.DZor - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Yeah! Yeah!AMD and Intel are going to close their businesses cause Apple M1 is so much better! Please!
Even if M1 is faster it is ONLY Apple producing it and no one will be able to buy it. Forget whole world will throw their software into bin and buy overpriced Apples.
What happened with iPhone 12? 13 billion transistors fastest mobile CPU in the world but speed like iPhone 11.
I will like to hear comments from Apple users who paid huge amounts for x86 based software and now will have to pay again. If ARM version will be available.
Zerrohero - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
What makes you think people need to re-buy ARM versions of all software?Dug - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
I feel like were getting a well engineered Chromebook.You can tout about all the things it can do, but at the end of the day, you can't do what you want.
Meteor2 - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
When have you ever felt macOS hasn't been able to do what you wanted? 🤷♂️IntenvidiAMD - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
When I try to run any Windows game or program on the new ARM Macbooks? No Bootcamp 🤷♂️ Thanks Apple.Not everyone lives in Apple's tiny walled garden.
Meteor2 - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Then rather obviously these products are not for you.Meteor2 - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
(To be clear -- comparing macOS to ChromeOS is absurd)Zerrohero - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
About 0% of Mac users run Bootcamp nowadays.These new Macs clearly aren’t for you. Buy something else, move on and save your energy by not commenting or thinking about any of this.
None of this has zero effect on your life.
NickConrad - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
I think you need to reevaluate the word "tiny" if a Windows requirement is the niche you find yourself in at Q1'21plewis00 - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Probably much more advanced than that but not a bad analogy. Really like Chromebooks but some limitations that make them infuriating, same as when I’ve tried to use Mac OS before. And gives Apple even more excuse to not have any user serviceable parts.Agent Smith - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Has Tim Cook actually swallowed an Apple?That Adams apple of his seems abnormal.
69369369 - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Inb4 thyroid cancerSpeedfriend - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
One thing I really hate about Apple presentations is that they always say that the new model is the best ever. Like you would be introducing a new model if it wasn't better than the old. It is such a stupid comment.Also, the comparison of up to 3x faster than the previous model, what does that mean when their were multiple processor choices? The fastest or the slowest?
Agent Smith - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
That and the fact they say "I'm so excited" so repeatedly it actually loses it's meaning.GeoffreyA - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Sadly, English is going downhill.GeoffreyA - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Also, it's been said the adjective is the enemy of the noun. But I don't think Apple is in the know about that point.mesahusa - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
When has their X times performance increase ever been ambiguous in the history of ever? They've been consistent for literal decades on their performance comparisons, and it's always been against their product lineup it's directly replacing, which in this case is their entire mba and entry-level mbp laptops. Would you make similar comments if they said "20% brighter screen", or would you be a sane person that can make the inference.Speedfriend - Wednesday, November 11, 2020 - link
Can you actually read? The product lineup that they are replacing has multiple processor option, so it is fairly crucial to understand what exactly they are comparing to. The Mac Mini and Air were both available with 3 processor choices, while the Pro was available with 4 processor choices.KPOM - Wednesday, November 11, 2020 - link
The fine print on Apple’s website said they compared the M1 MacBook Air to the 1.2 GHz model, which would be the quad-core.WJMazepas - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
That developer video that it was made for kids with ADHD made me cringe hardZingam - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Great! Great! Fast! Fast! 3x, 5x, 15x more, longer... And my XCode crashed 10x more today for totally 1734 crashes since its release!:)
GC2:CS - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Hmm. No new Mac designs. Older products upgraded on the silicon side drastically.Limited to 16 GB RAM.
Limited to 2 USB4 ports.
danbob999 - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
I'm surprised by the 16 GB RAM limitation as well, especially on the Macbook Pro and Mac mini.But 2 USB4 ports is enough. USB2 is more than enough for most devices (keyboard, mouse, etc.)
dotjaz - Wednesday, November 11, 2020 - link
It's not a hard limit. Apple can go up to 24GB if they wanted.Glaurung - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Apple bloggers have been saying for months that there would be no redesign of the form factor - just like the PPC-Intel transition in 2005, we're getting exactly the same external appearance with vastly upgraded internals.Apple is still selling the Intel 4-port Macbook Pro. They're still selling the Intel Mini. It's pretty clear that the M1 is *not* the Apple silicon chip for people who need lots of ports on a laptop, lots of RAM, or absolutely the fastest possible performance. That chip will come later, and be going in the 4 port Macbooks and the Imac.
The only thing you can configure on any of the macs released today is the amount of storage (exception - you can get the air with 7 or 8 GPU cores). Different tiers of performance will have to wait for the M2, or M1X, or whatever they call the next chip. And (consults tea leaves) that will be the chip for coders and other people who must have more than 16gb of ram or more than 2 ports.
Schmide - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
I read it top to bottom this time. It may have read betteryeeeeman - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Presentation aside, if this is actually true, then they have a winner. Well, at least for Apple users. For the users that were in the middle with Parallels, this will be a deal breaker since these won't run Windows anymore.KPOM - Wednesday, November 11, 2020 - link
Not out of the gate, but I wouldn’t put it past Microsoft to make Windows on ARM available for retail download if the Cortex X1 has decent speed.ABR - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Excellent, as a Mac user I can finally stop being jealous of those who get to have AMD chips in their computers.nerd1 - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Only number we see is the 2.6TFLOPS GPU performance, which is kind of meh compared to Xe-LP's 4.16 TFLOPS(FP16)Hifihedgehog - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
As usual, Apple does not speak specifics and only talks in layman-friendly superlatives and "up to" in-house performance metrics. Their exclusive claim to perform 8K decoding that no other compact 3-lbs notebook can do, by the way, I believe is markedly false. I have a Renoir chip in-house and will test Davinci Resolve to see if the hardware decoding still works. If it does, any of the sub-3-lbs. Renoir ultrabooks (which have 8K decoding in their VCN codec block) join Apple in that so-called exclusive claim to fame.vladx - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Where did they mention 8K decoding? The most I saw was 6K for rendering external displays.dotjaz - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Why on earth are you using FP16 figures for Intel? We also know it's 81Gtexels/s. If 2.6Tflops were FP16, that would mean 8ALU per TMU. That's extremely unbalanced.NOBODY in 2020 would design GPU this heavily tilted towards texture, nobody.
Hifihedgehog - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Preliminary fact check: Apple was ostensibly false in stating that its sub 3.0-lbs MacBook Pro with their new M1 processor is the only product of its notebook class (price and weight) supporting 8K playback in Davinci Resolve. AMD "Renoir" Ryzen 4000 series APUs, which are found in several sub-3.0-lbs. ultrabooks (e.g. Lenovo IdeaPad S540 13 and MSI Modern 14), utilize an updated Video Core Next (VCE) video codec that supports decoding 8K video in hardware. In all paid versions, DaVinci Resolve fully supports hardware decoding.Glaurung - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Their specific claim was that their computers can do 8k playback *without dropping any frames*.Hifihedgehog - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Outside of DaVinci Resolve (which I am in the process of downloading as I type), Renoir officially supports 8K video playback without dropping. That has been well-known by developers for some time. I think Apple has become so preoccupied with a certain company called Intel that they have forgotten that AMD has become a relevant force today in computing:https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/dpaw4t/...
mesahusa - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Your source literally doesn't say that, only that it supports the codec and nothing about performance. Apple made a performance claim, not a specification claim.Meteor2 - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
"Apple's Mac business grew by 30% last quarter" -- either people wanted the last Intel models, or a lot of people are going to be gutted!These machines look amazing, simple as.
(Mini has TB4 btw -- it's on the slide)
SirPanda - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Pretty sure that was due to WFH & Covid.Hifihedgehog - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
It was. The entire laptop and PC market saw a ENORMOUS double-digit uptick YoY. It was not exclusive to Apple, no matter how they try framing it.NickConrad - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Per Apple's tech specs:Two Thunderbolt / USB 4 ports with support for:
DisplayPort
Thunderbolt 3 (up to 40Gb/s)
USB 3.1 Gen 2 (up to 10Gb/s)
Thunderbolt 2, HDMI, DVI, and VGA supported using adapters (sold separately)
Meteor2 - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
My bad -- or theirs -- I fell for Thunderbolt / USB 4 meaning Thunderbolt 4/USB 4repoman27 - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
They are Thunderbolt 4 ports. TB4 is USB4 with Thunderbolt 3 interoperability (and various other minimum requirements). TB4 ports support native USB4, USB3 Gen 2, Thunderbolt 3, and DisplayPort 1.4a signaling—which is exactly how Apple describes these ports.bill44 - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
No DisplayPort 2.0? No HDMI 2.1?https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/vesa-rele...
repoman27 - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Nope. Nor are they mentioned in the USB4 spec, or available on Tiger Lake or Renoir platforms for that matter. Nonetheless, the display controller on the M1 does seem a tad weak.Speedfriend - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Surface has grown faster than Mac over the past 2 quarters!Lavkesh - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
When you dont sell as much, its easier to “grow”augustofretes - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Seems like a great processor, however this time around I found Apple's baseless assertions absurdly off-putting (baseless as in, they don't tell what they're basing anything on, not that they are necessarily false). How about a real graph with real data, including competitors?The mini, as always, is obscenely overpriced and I don't see why anyone would purchase one. Ironically, because the Air uses the M1 as well, I don't think the Pro will be able to justify its existence.
Also, while expected, it's still very disappointing that they kept the prices of the Air and the Pro the same, despite the fact that their designs are fairly outdated and that they're saving at least $150 per computer sold.
Alistair - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
I don't care if the prices stayed the same, I care about the lack of ram and storage. Should have been 16GB/500GB standard. Raise prices if necessary.I'm not paying $500 CAD to add 8GB memory and 256GB storage.
augustofretes - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Yeah, I just went to their website and I can't believe you have to pay $1450 for a Macbook Air and $1700 for a Pro to get 512 GB and 16 GB of RAM. Their prices are laughable. Well, let's hope Qualcomm and MS can bring ARM to the PC quickly, so that we get to enjoy the benefits of fast and efficient processors without paying absurd prices for RAM and storage.Meteor2 - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Not sure many customers care about the design. It works. Change for the sake of it isn't a good idea.The Pro has a fan while the Air does not; the Pro is for "pro" things like video editing and compiling, where sustained performance matters.
augustofretes - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
I don't think there will be much of a difference between the two performance-wise, but I'm opened to be surprised. Oh, and they will definitively redesigned their laptops, Apple products are 50% aesthetics, 50% usability.NickConrad - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
According to Apple's tech specs (site is back up) the TB ports are version 3, and the front-facing camera is still "720p FaceTime HD camera".ABR - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
I was wondering why they spent a good five minutes talking up all the goodness the "new camera" delivers without one word about the resolution.Hifihedgehog - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Yeah, that is still garbage-tier. Same on the huge screen bezels. That looks so early-2010's.dudedud - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
That's criminal.I mean, even their "low price products" (ipad and SE) have a pretty decent 1080p front-camera
Hifihedgehog - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Mr. Tim "Margins" Cook probably had a big say in that cool move. Apple is doing well right now, but some bellweather stock sales by key Wall Street heavyweights do not paint a good picture in five years from now. Apple is tightening their grip on their walled garden by extending it to macOS which, coupled with the stagnation in their performance upswing with the A14, does not paint a good picture for the future. Developers want an open ecosystem and Apple laptops are not that environment.repoman27 - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
They’re Thunderbolt 4. TB4 is USB4 with support for TB3 signaling, which is exactly what these are.Agent Smith - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
I love a fat screen bezel (sarcasm)They really missed the boat to launch the Air or Pro with a sleek 'minimalised' look.
NickConrad - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Guessing they wanted the exact same form factor so consumers don't get anxious that something's about to stop working the way they're used to.Meteor2 - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Maybe I'm being a dick for even noticing -- no-one else has said anything, and that's perhaps how it should be -- but I think it's cool that all three product line managers are women.Speedfriend - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Am I missing something or is the most memory you can get 8 Gb? And that will be no ungradeable?Speedfriend - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Oh, have found you can get up to 16. Surely that isn't enough for professional use?danbob999 - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Possibly the most interesting Mac computers of all times.What remains to be seen is how is the multi-thread performance. With only 4 cores and no SMT, this M1 chip could perform well with 1-4 threads but not so much with more.
The other 4 "small" cores are likely not going to be of any help when multithreading, they are only there for power saving.
name99 - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
The 4 cores are the equivalent of SMT. Each worth about 1/4 of a core, like SMT.Think of this in Intel terms as as a 4core SMT machine. BUT without the limitations that prevent max turbo from running on more than one CPU for more than a few seconds.
These are the lowest end macs Apple ships. The mid range and high end machines will come in time.
danbob999 - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
As always, the Apple tax on upgrades is hard. +250 $CAD to upgrade the RAM from 8 to 16 GB or the SSD from 256 to 512 GB.And since everything is soldered, you can't avoid the tax.
rdubbs - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
how do you use iPhone or iPad apps when there's no touchscreen...?Zerrohero - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Uh, with the multi touch trackpad?Or even with a mouse as most interactions in apps are just single finger taps?
vladx - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Meh , no one care about Macs outside Apple users.Hifihedgehog - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
They are... or rather, were popular at colleges and universities. Computer Science and engineering departments now are having to post bulletins to NOT buy them since they do not support virtualization and other necessary development technologies. Oh, and the one external monitor limit is also a huge slap in the face for Apple users with three-monitor docks, because those are no longer usable.repoman27 - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
They support virtualization just fine, but not for x86. I reckon someone will release an x86 emulator for Apple silicon Macs at some point. (The new Rosetta does binary translation, not emulation.)The M1 only supporting two display streams and up to 16GB of RAM are pretty massive limitations, but I suppose we are talking about an SoC that can operate in a fabless platform.
repoman27 - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
^ “fanless”Hifihedgehog - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
>I reckon someone will release an x86 emulator for Apple silicon Macs at some point.Fair warning, runtime AVX emulation is unbearably slow. That is the huge issue with this.
ABR - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
"Do not support virtualization and other necessary development technologies." What a laugh.abufrejoval - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Yes, but does it run Windows?Or Linux?
Or QNX, BSD?
Nice hardware, I'd love getting one, if only I could use it any way I want.
With Apple buying it doesn't mean you own it, because ownership implies control, the ability to swap out parts of the hardware and software as you see fit.
Last Apple I really liked was my Apple ][ clone, because it was an open architecture.
Hifihedgehog - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
That is the huge problem which is why you are seeing a huge influx of MacBook-looking Linux laptops coincidentally hitting the market months before this happened. They knew this was coming and Apple is going to lose the developer buyers in droves now that the open, virtualization-capable ecosystem is going bye bye.Cullinaire - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻Awanderer - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Found some apples to apples .... Apple says: "With an 8‑core CPU and 8‑core GPU, M1 on MacBook Pro delivers up to 2.8x faster CPU performance¹ and up to 5x faster graphics² than the previous generation." in their disclaimers, they say 1) Testing conducted by Apple in October 2020 using preproduction 13‑inch MacBook Pro systems with Apple M1 chip, as well as production 1.7GHz quad‑core Intel Core i7‑based 13‑inch MacBook Pro systems, all configured with 16GB RAM and 2TB SSD. Open source project built with prerelease Xcode 12.2 with Apple Clang 12.0.0, Ninja 1.10.0.git, and CMake 3.16.5. Performance tests are conducted using specific computer systems and reflect the approximate performance of MacBook Pro.2) Testing conducted by Apple in October 2020 using preproduction 13‑inch MacBook Pro systems with Apple M1 chip, as well as production 1.7GHz quad‑core Intel Core i7‑based 13‑inch MacBook Pro systems with Intel Iris Plus Graphics 645, all configured with 16GB RAM and 2TB SSD. Tested with prerelease Final Cut Pro 10.5 using a 10‑second project with Apple ProRes 422 video at 3840x2160 resolution and 30 frames per second. Performance tests are conducted using specific computer systems and reflect the approximate performance of MacBook Pro.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the 1.7ghz/Iris 645 2 generations old? Tiger lake would have something to say about this .... Is Tim Cook talking up 5nm vs 14nm 2 generations back?
Awanderer - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Also, 10 seconds hardly allows for thermal throttling ...Hifihedgehog - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
> Is Tim Cook talking up 5nm vs 14nm 2 generations back?Yes, good catch! Talk about dishonest.
KPOM - Wednesday, November 11, 2020 - link
1 generation back. There was no 9th Gen U-series chip. And Apple was still using the Coffee Lake chip in the 2 port MacBook Pro.repoman27 - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
Yeah, that’s Coffee Lake 4+3e / 8th Gen. It technically is the previous generation of the 13-inch MacBook Pro with two Thunderbolt ports though. The four Thunderbolt port model is the one with Ice Lake.Joe Guide - Wednesday, November 11, 2020 - link
https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/11/12/apples-...alpha754293 - Thursday, November 12, 2020 - link
So...does that mean that my existing copy of MS Office won't run on any of the new Macs anymore?(Along with any of the existing Mac software that I have, that were all for the x86/x64 platform?)
linsaymaria8 - Friday, November 13, 2020 - link
Great article! Lots of insights shared.linsaymaria8 - Friday, November 13, 2020 - link
Check out https://www.championyachts.ae/alisonsmith - Wednesday, November 18, 2020 - link
Is apple carry full security of the the user's data? And what new update we can expect from branded company like apple?