I hope the supply issue will last well into 2021. This will give many plenty of time in getting their RTX 2080ti sold at perhaps a decent price? That is of course before the (pricing) bottom falls out for all previous 10/20 series cards. Once the supply issues are solved and with especially the gamers snapping up readily available 'base 3080's' at around $500, I wonder what used 2080ti's will drop down to? For a man like me working at Walmart driving a forklift on the third shift probably quite affordable. Of course I still do not get where the people get all that money from to buy hardware luxury items like this? Come and see me sometime at Walmart where reality hits the pavement day in and day out!
In all seriousness, I am interested to see how this stacks up, especially with AMD's new offerings. This is an exciting year for hardware, if not most other things.
Seconded. A lot of people still don't seem to have even a vague idea how Ampere is structured, ranging for naively believing that Nvidia has actually double CUDA cores all the way through to thinking that it's *entirely* a marketing trick.
It’s not an exaggeration to say that I’ve been visiting Anandtech daily in the hopes of the Ampere overview. I know factors outside your control lead to the delay. Thank you so much for providing a timeline which I can now look forward to!
Please consider including die size in the comparison tables as well. Gives us a fair indication if there is a huge "early adopters markup" and if cards can expected to become a lot cheaper 6 months down the road. While it's not directly comparable across process nodes and memory generation, it's still a really good indicator.
I find the price increase from the 10xx series most disappointing. A $500 card is not a replacement for a $380 card. Maybe there will be some that always buy the xx70 card regardless of price, but I can't help but suspect there will be those looking to upgrade the 1070 that end up going for a 3060 (or whatever it will be called) instead (assuming they stick with nVidia).
The 1070 was itself the replacement for a $330 card, the GTX 970, which a bunch of people are still running today - not least because they keep replacing it with ever-more expensive cards.
One thing I will say in Nvidia's defence here - the 3070 appears to be occupying the position of the xx80 series in this lineup, in that it's the largest slice of the second-largest die. They bumped the 3080 up to a position previously occupied by the xx80Ti cards. They've presumably done this to produce the illusion of a generational leap that's greater than what they were actually able to achieve, though, and they're still charging too damn much for their cards.
The problem for a 1070 buyer replacing it with a 3060 would be VRAM. Nvidia have left VRAM capacity static on their high-end cards for two generations now, and I'd be shocked if the 3060 had more than 6GB on the first cards to launch (mid-gen rip-off updates to follow).
A fully enabled gpu with GDDR6x for a mid generation 3070 super card seems quite likely. Maybe with a bit higher clock speed thrown in. Wouldn't be a huge improvement in compute but since it seems fairly memory bandwidth starved already with plenty of compute that should still be a decent upgrade.
Is there a partially enabled 3080 product anywhere or is it like the 3070 where the 3080 is already the partially enabled version? I imagine we might still see some odd China SKUs so they have something to do with the chips that need to disable more than the 2 SM clusters or can't hit the boost speeds they want.
220W TDP, ouch! Everything else is pretty nice looking. Too bad NV typically neglects the ~30W TDP range of GPUs. We got the GT 730 and then waited a long time for the GT 1030. Hopefully they will announce a GT 3030 in the future so we can continue feeding inexpensive business desktops cheap GPUs to turn them into gaming PCs without fussing over PSU upgrades. After all a $150 refurb Haswell i5 or i7 retired from a corporate office makes a great little gamer machine with just a sub-$100 USD graphics card.
I think it's mostly because they've struggled to find a market in mobile like they used to - at least, one that can't be filled by crippling an older chip and bunging it in.
2080 Ti performance but with 3 GB less VRAM. LOL IDK WTF Nvidia is thinking, but at least I learned their fanboys are defending low VRAM fiercely since Turing.
I'm dithering between either a 3070 or a 3060 (when it comes out) or AMD's price equivalents. On 4K for office work and the very occasional bit of 1060 powered gaming. I'd love to get the 3070 but I honestly don't game enough hours to make it worth the cost - it would go sadly unused most of the time.
From what I gather in the latest benchmarking news is that the 3070 is nicely holding its own against the older 2080ti. For me driving a forklift on the third shift it's all about the $499 it cost now for a base 3070 and the performance it brings to the table when pitted against the 2080ti. No question its a new generation card and overall better positioned (benchmarking and technically) than the aging 2080ti. It's hard to figure out NVIDIA and why they would drop a new generation 3070 on the market (with its measurable muscle) and then at far less than 'half of the cost' for what enthusiasts had to fork over earlier for a 2080ti at a cool $1,200. With this NVIDIA has given me hope and a dream in now owning a used 2080ti for at least half of the cost of a base 3070. A blue collar worker dream come true. Meanwhile of course I will be 'chucking along' on my hobbled-together ($250) Dell XPS 730x H2C compliments from the Bangladesh PC shop. I am still playing 2009 Wolfenstein and Silent Hunter III. Just perhaps my 2080ti train along with' 'Metro Exodus' will come in around February/April 2021 so that I can greet the Aurora crew at Novosibirsk station in maximum settings? Madhu confirmed that the used 1080ti/2080ti series market is already heating up and noted that when I see him at the next computer show that cash is king just like in Mumbai.
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DanNeely - Tuesday, October 27, 2020 - link
Is the price $449 (article title) or $499 (article body)?Ryan Smith - Tuesday, October 27, 2020 - link
The problem with repeating digits is that sometimes the wrong digits repeat!The body is correct. Thanks.
willis936 - Wednesday, October 28, 2020 - link
I know this comes up often, but I just want to point out that this wouldn’t happen if the reported price was “$500”.Smell This - Wednesday, October 28, 2020 - link
This could be the ol' squeeze plays with the GeForce RTX 3070 -60s at $400-$500 = the Radeon RX 6800 & 6700/XT at $579/$479/$429s . . .
be like gas prices with 9/10s of a cent: $399.99.9
raywin - Tuesday, October 27, 2020 - link
considering nvidia's supply issues, there should be another line for avg sales price on ebay of said card.Tom Sunday - Wednesday, November 25, 2020 - link
I hope the supply issue will last well into 2021. This will give many plenty of time in getting their RTX 2080ti sold at perhaps a decent price? That is of course before the (pricing) bottom falls out for all previous 10/20 series cards. Once the supply issues are solved and with especially the gamers snapping up readily available 'base 3080's' at around $500, I wonder what used 2080ti's will drop down to? For a man like me working at Walmart driving a forklift on the third shift probably quite affordable. Of course I still do not get where the people get all that money from to buy hardware luxury items like this? Come and see me sometime at Walmart where reality hits the pavement day in and day out!unclevagz - Tuesday, October 27, 2020 - link
"Launching This Week: NVIDIA’s GeForce RTX 3070 - 1440p Gaming For $449"Well that's certainly a title that would attract eyeballs...
Daeros - Tuesday, October 27, 2020 - link
Is there a Patreon for copy editing?Diving into the nuts and nuts and bolts of...
...shipped with 10GB of the new GDDR5X...
...isn’t feeding the beast nearly at heartily...
In all seriousness, I am interested to see how this stacks up, especially with AMD's new offerings. This is an exciting year for hardware, if not most other things.
brontes - Tuesday, October 27, 2020 - link
Overall GA102 weighs in at 17.4 billion transistors, with a die size of 393mm2. And, like GA102 before itPVG - Tuesday, October 27, 2020 - link
Did you guys just give up on GPU reviews?Your in-depth architecture analysis were the best.
Mr Perfect - Tuesday, October 27, 2020 - link
Ryan touched on this in the last paragraph, architecture breakdown and review sometime next week.I know I'm looking forward to it. Tried reading 3080 reviews from some other sites and they didn't explain architecture at all.
Bobby3244 - Tuesday, October 27, 2020 - link
It would make me really sad if they stopped reviewing video cards and providing their in-depth architecture overviews.PVG - Tuesday, October 27, 2020 - link
Oh, just skimmed this article and missed that. Thank you!Spunjji - Wednesday, October 28, 2020 - link
Seconded. A lot of people still don't seem to have even a vague idea how Ampere is structured, ranging for naively believing that Nvidia has actually double CUDA cores all the way through to thinking that it's *entirely* a marketing trick.SaolDan - Tuesday, October 27, 2020 - link
I was wondering the same thing but didn't want to be the one to ask so thank you PVG!lvlFK - Tuesday, October 27, 2020 - link
It’s not an exaggeration to say that I’ve been visiting Anandtech daily in the hopes of the Ampere overview.I know factors outside your control lead to the delay.
Thank you so much for providing a timeline which I can now look forward to!
dishayu - Tuesday, October 27, 2020 - link
Please consider including die size in the comparison tables as well. Gives us a fair indication if there is a huge "early adopters markup" and if cards can expected to become a lot cheaper 6 months down the road. While it's not directly comparable across process nodes and memory generation, it's still a really good indicator.cmdrmonkey - Tuesday, October 27, 2020 - link
There's a typo on the spec comparison chart. Should be GTX 1070, not RTX 1070.Raptord - Tuesday, October 27, 2020 - link
Just a note; the GTX 1070 is incorrectly referred to as an "RTX 1070" a few times.Ryan Smith - Tuesday, October 27, 2020 - link
Thanks!valinor89 - Tuesday, October 27, 2020 - link
"This is because the performance uplift from the RTX 3070, though significant,"Either "uplift from the RTX 2070" or "uplift of the RTX 3070"
domboy - Tuesday, October 27, 2020 - link
I find the price increase from the 10xx series most disappointing. A $500 card is not a replacement for a $380 card. Maybe there will be some that always buy the xx70 card regardless of price, but I can't help but suspect there will be those looking to upgrade the 1070 that end up going for a 3060 (or whatever it will be called) instead (assuming they stick with nVidia).Spunjji - Wednesday, October 28, 2020 - link
The 1070 was itself the replacement for a $330 card, the GTX 970, which a bunch of people are still running today - not least because they keep replacing it with ever-more expensive cards.One thing I will say in Nvidia's defence here - the 3070 appears to be occupying the position of the xx80 series in this lineup, in that it's the largest slice of the second-largest die. They bumped the 3080 up to a position previously occupied by the xx80Ti cards. They've presumably done this to produce the illusion of a generational leap that's greater than what they were actually able to achieve, though, and they're still charging too damn much for their cards.
The problem for a 1070 buyer replacing it with a 3060 would be VRAM. Nvidia have left VRAM capacity static on their high-end cards for two generations now, and I'd be shocked if the 3060 had more than 6GB on the first cards to launch (mid-gen rip-off updates to follow).
imaheadcase - Tuesday, October 27, 2020 - link
"launching". lol good one. Nice to see humor in the title.CrystalCowboy - Tuesday, October 27, 2020 - link
"but this week NVIDIA is finally amping up the last of its high-end video card lineup"I am hoping they eventually get around to making a 3050. In other words, I would like as much graphics as I can get without an auxiliary power cable.
Spunjji - Wednesday, October 28, 2020 - link
2650, maybe? Based purely on the stupid naming shenanigans they went with last time.kpb321 - Tuesday, October 27, 2020 - link
A fully enabled gpu with GDDR6x for a mid generation 3070 super card seems quite likely. Maybe with a bit higher clock speed thrown in. Wouldn't be a huge improvement in compute but since it seems fairly memory bandwidth starved already with plenty of compute that should still be a decent upgrade.Is there a partially enabled 3080 product anywhere or is it like the 3070 where the 3080 is already the partially enabled version? I imagine we might still see some odd China SKUs so they have something to do with the chips that need to disable more than the 2 SM clusters or can't hit the boost speeds they want.
Duraz0rz - Tuesday, October 27, 2020 - link
The 3080 is a cutdown GA102 (3090).Spunjji - Wednesday, October 28, 2020 - link
3090 is cut-down, too. It's the A6000 that uses the full-monty GA102.benedict - Tuesday, October 27, 2020 - link
And here's me playing comfortably at 1440p on a Radeon 580 8GB. Will NVIDIA ever release anything good in the $200 midrange segment?PeachNCream - Tuesday, October 27, 2020 - link
220W TDP, ouch! Everything else is pretty nice looking. Too bad NV typically neglects the ~30W TDP range of GPUs. We got the GT 730 and then waited a long time for the GT 1030. Hopefully they will announce a GT 3030 in the future so we can continue feeding inexpensive business desktops cheap GPUs to turn them into gaming PCs without fussing over PSU upgrades. After all a $150 refurb Haswell i5 or i7 retired from a corporate office makes a great little gamer machine with just a sub-$100 USD graphics card.Spunjji - Wednesday, October 28, 2020 - link
I think it's mostly because they've struggled to find a market in mobile like they used to - at least, one that can't be filled by crippling an older chip and bunging it in.Machinus - Tuesday, October 27, 2020 - link
spelleing is questeionableBeaver M. - Wednesday, October 28, 2020 - link
2080 Ti performance but with 3 GB less VRAM.LOL
IDK WTF Nvidia is thinking, but at least I learned their fanboys are defending low VRAM fiercely since Turing.
nadim.kahwaji - Wednesday, October 28, 2020 - link
Last Paragraph is what matter :)Tomatotech - Wednesday, October 28, 2020 - link
I'm dithering between either a 3070 or a 3060 (when it comes out) or AMD's price equivalents. On 4K for office work and the very occasional bit of 1060 powered gaming. I'd love to get the 3070 but I honestly don't game enough hours to make it worth the cost - it would go sadly unused most of the time.sandman74 - Wednesday, October 28, 2020 - link
Launch is a dubious term in Nvidia land. Announce for limited availability is probably a better phrase to use.Anyone else having longevity anxiety due to the amount of VRAM ?
Also .. the price rises of the ..70 range since the 970 have been stomach churning. Hoping team red has a 3070 crusher at a reasonable price.
... and after today’s announcements it appears it has - with 16 GB VRAM and less power draw :-)
Tom Sunday - Sunday, November 1, 2020 - link
From what I gather in the latest benchmarking news is that the 3070 is nicely holding its own against the older 2080ti. For me driving a forklift on the third shift it's all about the $499 it cost now for a base 3070 and the performance it brings to the table when pitted against the 2080ti. No question its a new generation card and overall better positioned (benchmarking and technically) than the aging 2080ti. It's hard to figure out NVIDIA and why they would drop a new generation 3070 on the market (with its measurable muscle) and then at far less than 'half of the cost' for what enthusiasts had to fork over earlier for a 2080ti at a cool $1,200. With this NVIDIA has given me hope and a dream in now owning a used 2080ti for at least half of the cost of a base 3070. A blue collar worker dream come true. Meanwhile of course I will be 'chucking along' on my hobbled-together ($250) Dell XPS 730x H2C compliments from the Bangladesh PC shop. I am still playing 2009 Wolfenstein and Silent Hunter III. Just perhaps my 2080ti train along with' 'Metro Exodus' will come in around February/April 2021 so that I can greet the Aurora crew at Novosibirsk station in maximum settings? Madhu confirmed that the used 1080ti/2080ti series market is already heating up and noted that when I see him at the next computer show that cash is king just like in Mumbai.