A good PCIe 3 drive is still much better than a bad PCIe 4 one. The SM2267 doesn't really have a purpose IMO. The problem is that many customers will think that a SSD must be fast because it's PCIe 4.
An expensive gen3 drive may still be better than a SM2267 drive, though I really doubt you could say it's MUCH better; my early test results from the ADATA S50 Lite have it beating a 970 EVO Plus as often as it loses to the Samsung, and that's with the S50 Lite limited to PCIe gen3 speeds (testing them on the gen4 system isn't complete yet). I think SM2267 drives will be able to compete very well against Phison E12(S) drives if the prices end up being reasonable.
definitely not in large writes however. With only 4 channels the S50 Lite probably have a write speed of something like 250 MB/s when the SLC cache is full.
It's not that bad, because the speed of each channel can be significantly higher on the newer controllers. Though I don't know yet whether the NAND on the S50 Lite can also go all the way up to 1200MT/s.
You are missing the point. That controller is to be the low end of the spectrum, replacing the cheap Dram-less drives with newer drives that cost the same as current cheap ones, but are as fast as the old Fast/pro type Gen 3 ones, then their newer Pro like gen 4 is 7.5G/sec fast. Youll be able to get 970 evo performance @ budget prices soon.
if you dont know nothing about current industry, how you define "good"? higher numbers -> better, pcie3.0 vs pcie4.0.... 3 GB/s vs 6GB/s they can read & compare and on those basic tables, there is no info it will go on fire on first install.
Even Samsungs new PCIE 4 drives are medicore considering the change. For consumer workload what matters is latency and not bandwidth. A computer feels snappy ssd vs hdd due to the low latency and not the high bandwidth of the ssd. these ssds reach their bandwidth only with very high queue depth which you never have on consumer workloads anyway.
Intels optane could have been the real jump here but they aren't offering any reasonable consumer drives with optane yet. Full speed at QD1. What all these tests are missing is a real-world copy&paste benchmark of a directory of small files on windows. Drive to drive. even modern ssd barley reach 50mb/s in such tests. These 7000mb/s figures are pure theoretic benchmark numbers
Please deliver more than the usual lot when it comes to more heavy payloads... 7.9 GB/s doesn't mean anything if the same old games wont load any faster, windows still boots in 40MB/s and so on. All theese high numbers are just a play for the galleries, and the storage volume won't ever seem to grow. It baffles me that they still sell 512GB drives, for prices that would scare almost everyone. The drive market is heavily stagnated. The feeling of a monopoly waiting to be crushed grows by the day. Even if it has done so for the last effin ten years!
I imagine the cpu is the bottleneck when it comes to loading games not the ssd anymore. All that data needs to be uncompressed/loaded into memory and gpu, that takes time.
Hardly stagnant. Eight years ago the talk was buying when SSD prices eventually reached $1 per GB. We're now at around $0.12 per GB and still dropping, while speeds have gone from 250 MB/s to north of 4 GB/s and still climbing.
Most of the price decrease comes from going from SLC to now QLC with all of it's own problems like only getting these numbers for very short time till the SLC cache is full, increased latency (bad for snappy feeling) and decreased life time.
Nah, the hope was to get down to $1/GB for MLC consumer drives in the days of the crucial m4 and intel 320 and all those when SATA 6gbps was the hottest new interface. Now it’s 11 cents per GB for TLC mainstream drives
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danbob999 - Tuesday, October 20, 2020 - link
A good PCIe 3 drive is still much better than a bad PCIe 4 one. The SM2267 doesn't really have a purpose IMO. The problem is that many customers will think that a SSD must be fast because it's PCIe 4.Billy Tallis - Tuesday, October 20, 2020 - link
An expensive gen3 drive may still be better than a SM2267 drive, though I really doubt you could say it's MUCH better; my early test results from the ADATA S50 Lite have it beating a 970 EVO Plus as often as it loses to the Samsung, and that's with the S50 Lite limited to PCIe gen3 speeds (testing them on the gen4 system isn't complete yet). I think SM2267 drives will be able to compete very well against Phison E12(S) drives if the prices end up being reasonable.danbob999 - Wednesday, October 21, 2020 - link
definitely not in large writes however. With only 4 channels the S50 Lite probably have a write speed of something like 250 MB/s when the SLC cache is full.Billy Tallis - Wednesday, October 21, 2020 - link
It's not that bad, because the speed of each channel can be significantly higher on the newer controllers. Though I don't know yet whether the NAND on the S50 Lite can also go all the way up to 1200MT/s.danbob999 - Thursday, October 22, 2020 - link
not sure if that's really the bottleneck anyways.HideOut - Tuesday, October 20, 2020 - link
You are missing the point. That controller is to be the low end of the spectrum, replacing the cheap Dram-less drives with newer drives that cost the same as current cheap ones, but are as fast as the old Fast/pro type Gen 3 ones, then their newer Pro like gen 4 is 7.5G/sec fast. Youll be able to get 970 evo performance @ budget prices soon.Samus - Tuesday, October 20, 2020 - link
A good PCIe 3 drive might cost a lot more than a slightly slower entry-level PCIe 4 drive, though.danbob999 - Wednesday, October 21, 2020 - link
The S50 Lite has a MSRP of $150. The SPG SX8200 Pro is being sold at $135. So the cheaper drive is the better here.Spunjji - Wednesday, October 21, 2020 - link
They will, but that's true of much technology - see all the smartphones with 8 weak cores, GPUs with over-provisioned RAM, etc.I'd look at this is more a reduction in the cost of good PCIe 3 drives, with nominal PCIe 4 compatibility to keep the OEMs happy.
deil - Wednesday, October 21, 2020 - link
if you dont know nothing about current industry, how you define "good"? higher numbers -> better, pcie3.0 vs pcie4.0.... 3 GB/s vs 6GB/sthey can read & compare and on those basic tables, there is no info it will go on fire on first install.
beginner99 - Wednesday, October 21, 2020 - link
Even Samsungs new PCIE 4 drives are medicore considering the change. For consumer workload what matters is latency and not bandwidth. A computer feels snappy ssd vs hdd due to the low latency and not the high bandwidth of the ssd. these ssds reach their bandwidth only with very high queue depth which you never have on consumer workloads anyway.Intels optane could have been the real jump here but they aren't offering any reasonable consumer drives with optane yet. Full speed at QD1. What all these tests are missing is a real-world copy&paste benchmark of a directory of small files on windows. Drive to drive. even modern ssd barley reach 50mb/s in such tests. These 7000mb/s figures are pure theoretic benchmark numbers
Kurosaki - Tuesday, October 20, 2020 - link
Please deliver more than the usual lot when it comes to more heavy payloads...7.9 GB/s doesn't mean anything if the same old games wont load any faster, windows still boots in 40MB/s and so on. All theese high numbers are just a play for the galleries, and the storage volume won't ever seem to grow. It baffles me that they still sell 512GB drives, for prices that would scare almost everyone. The drive market is heavily stagnated. The feeling of a monopoly waiting to be crushed grows by the day. Even if it has done so for the last effin ten years!
shabby - Tuesday, October 20, 2020 - link
I imagine the cpu is the bottleneck when it comes to loading games not the ssd anymore. All that data needs to be uncompressed/loaded into memory and gpu, that takes time.Kurosaki - Tuesday, October 20, 2020 - link
Then we have a platform problem and the speed of the disk is irrelevant. Why buy a more costly drive than necessary?silencer12 - Tuesday, October 20, 2020 - link
adult content. No matter the speed.wr3zzz - Tuesday, October 20, 2020 - link
I forgot where I read it but I think this is what has been implemented in PS5/XBSeX and what Microsoft is planning in future Windows.Stochastic - Tuesday, October 20, 2020 - link
Yup: https://devblogs.microsoft.com/directx/directstora...Spunjji - Wednesday, October 21, 2020 - link
Why indeed? Buy an inexpensive drive and be happy that you get far more performance than high-end drives 4 years ago, at a lower price :)29a - Wednesday, October 21, 2020 - link
This is why.https://devblogs.microsoft.com/directx/directstora...
MikeMurphy - Tuesday, October 20, 2020 - link
Hardly stagnant. Eight years ago the talk was buying when SSD prices eventually reached $1 per GB. We're now at around $0.12 per GB and still dropping, while speeds have gone from 250 MB/s to north of 4 GB/s and still climbing.It's very exciting times in mass storage.
beginner99 - Wednesday, October 21, 2020 - link
Most of the price decrease comes from going from SLC to now QLC with all of it's own problems like only getting these numbers for very short time till the SLC cache is full, increased latency (bad for snappy feeling) and decreased life time.magreen - Wednesday, October 21, 2020 - link
Nah, the hope was to get down to $1/GB for MLC consumer drives in the days of the crucial m4 and intel 320 and all those when SATA 6gbps was the hottest new interface. Now it’s 11 cents per GB for TLC mainstream drivestonsui - Monday, October 26, 2020 - link
I just realized the manufacturers not buy their controller, but the firmware.