I'm still confused about mmWave, it's just marketing currently, right? It's not the sort of thing we see methodically tested (particularly because of the availability), but even casual reviews note that it's blocked by your hand and runs hot. Will this be alleviated by node improvements, or is it too analog heavy?
mmWave is just a corner case usage of 5G and it will not take off not even after a few years because it has very bad penetration characteristics and needs a LOT of equipment to install. I see this being used only in the largest cities in center. The rest will use sub 6ghz which is more than enough for 99% of the cases.
mmWave is for dense urban cores and venues with large crowds. Verizon has deployed it in small areas of a few cities, and it works, but it will never be your primary connection method.
Stands for any 5G other than the "really low" bands, so, it's a glorified Wifi with more royalties. Any speed 5G on any band can currently reach realistically, Wifi can, with a more stable connection, and mmWave coverage is very close to Wifi in limited controlled areas like shopping centers. CA may bring 5G closer to performance parity in all metrics with Wifi but that's just using more bandwidth, of which there's a limited total. Mettis Aerospace is choosing Wifi over 5G for coverage of their office and production areas, their money is spent smart.
Hah, look at Kryo cores. You have like 5 different Kryo models based on Cortex A76 and 8 Cortex A55 derivatives XD https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/qualcomm/kryo Plus I believe this list is not up to date XD
Honestly, I 'd love Qualcommto be fined for such top tier BS naming SKUs/cores/GPU and forced to fix it...
Kryo 4 is based on A76 the other 2 numbers are basically meaningless. They are supposed to denote frequency and cache difference, but it's largely irrelevant.
"so it’s likely Qualcomm did a lot of design re-use between the two chipset generations"
Seems like Andrei doesn't understand what design reuse is. SD690 and SD750G are obviously the same chip of the same generation. Just like SD710/670. They just lowered the frequency and disabled mmWave for 690, that's all.
A tad too late. Exynos 980 came with 2xA77 cores mire than 6 months ago on 8nm. Mtk 820 will eat this for breakfast, along with Kirin 820. Qualcomm have released a bunch of mid tier SoCs which were always behind the competition (690/720/730/732/765/768) In fact, the last time QC had a real beast of a mid-range product was the SD660 which had 4 big cores at the time and was like an SD835 with half the GPU cut down. Why not get a 4xA77 with lower clocks (1x2.4 and 3x2.2), 4xA55s and an Adreno 620 for the $3-400 segment to replace 765G and 768G?
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Unashamed_unoriginal_username_x86 - Tuesday, September 22, 2020 - link
I'm still confused about mmWave, it's just marketing currently, right? It's not the sort of thing we see methodically tested (particularly because of the availability), but even casual reviews note that it's blocked by your hand and runs hot. Will this be alleviated by node improvements, or is it too analog heavy?yeeeeman - Tuesday, September 22, 2020 - link
mmWave is just a corner case usage of 5G and it will not take off not even after a few years because it has very bad penetration characteristics and needs a LOT of equipment to install. I see this being used only in the largest cities in center. The rest will use sub 6ghz which is more than enough for 99% of the cases.A5 - Tuesday, September 22, 2020 - link
mmWave is for dense urban cores and venues with large crowds. Verizon has deployed it in small areas of a few cities, and it works, but it will never be your primary connection method.s.yu - Wednesday, September 23, 2020 - link
Stands for any 5G other than the "really low" bands, so, it's a glorified Wifi with more royalties. Any speed 5G on any band can currently reach realistically, Wifi can, with a more stable connection, and mmWave coverage is very close to Wifi in limited controlled areas like shopping centers. CA may bring 5G closer to performance parity in all metrics with Wifi but that's just using more bandwidth, of which there's a limited total. Mettis Aerospace is choosing Wifi over 5G for coverage of their office and production areas, their money is spent smart.shabby - Tuesday, September 22, 2020 - link
The naming scheme is so confusing, I dare anyone to say which core is in the soc without looking at a spec sheet... not happening.Tabalan - Tuesday, September 22, 2020 - link
Hah, look at Kryo cores. You have like 5 different Kryo models based on Cortex A76 and 8 Cortex A55 derivatives XDhttps://en.wikichip.org/wiki/qualcomm/kryo
Plus I believe this list is not up to date XD
Honestly, I 'd love Qualcommto be fined for such top tier BS naming SKUs/cores/GPU and forced to fix it...
dotjaz - Tuesday, September 22, 2020 - link
Kryo 4 is based on A76 the other 2 numbers are basically meaningless. They are supposed to denote frequency and cache difference, but it's largely irrelevant.s.yu - Tuesday, September 22, 2020 - link
AFAICT this would have trouble competing with MTK, as the 765 series already did.spaceship9876 - Tuesday, September 22, 2020 - link
Still no AV1 hardware decoding :(dotjaz - Tuesday, September 22, 2020 - link
Qualcomm will be the last to support AV1. They are the only SOC vendor not in AOMedia. HiSilicon is not in it either but they are irrelevant for now.dotjaz - Tuesday, September 22, 2020 - link
"so it’s likely Qualcomm did a lot of design re-use between the two chipset generations"Seems like Andrei doesn't understand what design reuse is. SD690 and SD750G are obviously the same chip of the same generation. Just like SD710/670. They just lowered the frequency and disabled mmWave for 690, that's all.
Andrei Frumusanu - Tuesday, September 22, 2020 - link
No. They are different designs.tkSteveFOX - Thursday, September 24, 2020 - link
A tad too late. Exynos 980 came with 2xA77 cores mire than 6 months ago on 8nm.Mtk 820 will eat this for breakfast, along with Kirin 820.
Qualcomm have released a bunch of mid tier SoCs which were always behind the competition (690/720/730/732/765/768)
In fact, the last time QC had a real beast of a mid-range product was the SD660 which had 4 big cores at the time and was like an SD835 with half the GPU cut down.
Why not get a 4xA77 with lower clocks (1x2.4 and 3x2.2), 4xA55s and an Adreno 620 for the $3-400 segment to replace 765G and 768G?