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  • PeachNCream - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    I thought the browser hair pulling and pinching fight ended in the previous decade. We may also want to debate whether or not CompuServ or AOL is the better ISP.
  • prophet001 - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    I would just rather not have an employee from X corporation follow me around everywhere I go. That's all I'm tryina accomplish.
  • BedfordTim - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    Exactly. It is all about the AdBlocker and privacy now.
  • BedfordTim - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    What would have been really good would be to see how well they conceal the browser signature.
  • tuxRoller - Monday, October 5, 2020 - link

    You're in luck! I'm not aware of any entity offering such service.
    Perhaps, when skynet rises, we'll each have our very own ai instance!
    Until then, pattern matching is the best you'll get.
  • The Garden Variety - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    If only this antique comment system allowed me to give you a thumbs up or a like or potato points or anything. This is the only comment this article needs.
  • pjcamp - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    CompuSpend. It's pronounced CompuSpend.

    Yeah. I use Firefox because I'm used to it, not because it is better or worse than the others. A browser is a commodity, like potatoes.
  • AdditionalPylons - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_potato_culti...
    Pick one! Fight! =)
  • Lord of the Bored - Friday, September 11, 2020 - link

    That's why I use Seamonkey. It is the interface I'm used to and prefer.
  • deil - Sunday, September 13, 2020 - link

    FF user here, but I keep using it for another reason.
    FF is not fastest out of the box BUT I feel like others slow down overtime, while FF just keeps going like it was its "second boot"
  • Gigaplex - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    If we get complacent and stop testing, the quality will go downhill.
  • TheJian - Sunday, September 13, 2020 - link

    ROFL. That already happened. It's why I'm still on firefox 50's (ESR stopped at ~53.x before jumping to BS new versions). A browser without multi-row tabs in 2020? WTF? You all failed. Firefox=chrome now...Again, firefox, you failed to realize who you are. DIFFERENT, CUSTOMIZATION. Now, you're just chrome lite, I mean, chrome sh!te. LOL. My family hasn't ENJOYED the web since firefox gave up. Dad's on opera now (minor complaints, he just suffers through with lots of groaning all day), moms on new firefox (accidently updated) and wants to kill her PC, and I'm on old firefox which even rottentomatoes is attacking now as not being supported...WTF do you care about my browser for anyway RT? RT is just the new GAY IMDB now anyway as if IMDB didn't own that title lock stock and barrel already. We need a new TV site...LOL. But yeah, start doing browser articles on how each has destroyed their users fun. Start doing articles highlighting what they are NOT doing, as what they ARE doing sucks already and I have no need to read about how much worse they're getting. I can see that daily. They all suck now.
  • lioncat55 - Monday, September 14, 2020 - link

    Man, who hurt you. Your family can't enjoy browsing the web now? WTF is that. Unless your compiling your own browser, most people don't remotely care about the browser they use.

    Also, stacked tabs? F that, that just adds on more tool bars, what are you using a 800x400 crt, do you want your browser window to be 80x400 with all the old tool bars.
  • Carmen00 - Friday, September 11, 2020 - link

    Definitely not! The browser wars are still ongoing, and I hope that there will continue to be choice in the browser world. We've seen the terrible things that happen to standards and software when a single dominant browser decides to do its own thing, just because of its market position ... looking at you in particular, IE and Chrome. I hope that we never end up in a "Best Viewed With Browser X" scenario again — and if you don't know what I'm talking about here, thank your lucky stars. But with choice comes the necessity of seeing how good all the choices are, and this article is exceptionally useful in that regard.

    From the article,

    "There was a years-long PR war with Microsoft begging developers to write websites to standards and features, rather than just based on a User Agent String, but that war was lost, and in a surprising, but also necessary move, Microsoft abandoned its browser and joined the Chromium gang."

    Now, for those of us who remember (and had to code for) the IE6 days, this "write standard code" attitude from Microsoft was preceded by YEARS of completely ignoring the standards and telling developers to suck it up and ONLY write for IE6. They trained devs to look at the user-agent string. They created the problem, and ironically, they're the ones who had to abandon their own technology because of it!
  • lmcd - Friday, September 11, 2020 - link

    Microsoft abandoned its browser way before then, when the Windows team or whoever is above them decided the Edge team should be stuck on a 6-month release cycle with no backports to old Windows 10 feature versions.
  • grant3 - Sunday, September 13, 2020 - link

    Would you mind clarifying: is it your opinion that it's GOOD or that it's BAD for a dominant browser engine to ignore web standards and force developers to look at user-agent strings?

    Or is it only bad in 2001, but good in 2020?

    Or is it only bad when Microsoft does it, but good when Google does it?
  • Carmen00 - Sunday, September 13, 2020 - link

    ?? It's bad, period. Developers should never have to look at user-agent strings. What part of my post made you think that I think it's a good thing?

    It's just funny and ironic that it's Microsoft who made the problem and is now decrying it.
  • Lord of the Bored - Sunday, September 13, 2020 - link

    Before Internet Explorer, we had "best with Netscape Navigator". Only diffrence was scripting to detect useragent wasn't really possible, so we put animated buttons in to make sure people knew what they were supposed to run.
  • flyingpants265 - Saturday, September 12, 2020 - link

    Firefox is clearly faster than Chrome but I don't understand why the UI sucks so bad. Just give us the option to make the UI identical pixel-for-pixel to Chrome, and I'll switch to FF instantly.
  • JfromImaginstuff - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    Well there some themes that you could use if all you're after is looks else I don't know
  • mode_13h - Saturday, September 12, 2020 - link

    > I thought the browser hair pulling and pinching fight ended in the previous decade.

    Yeah, because web technologies haven't changed at all, in the past 10 years.

    Maybe you didn't know this, but benchmarking CPUs and GPUs was a thing back in the 90's, also. Just because people did it before doesn't mean it's not still relevant.

    Seriously, if you didn't find the subject interesting, why'd you even clack on the article? Just so you could grace us with your snark? No thanks. That's something we can do quite well without!

    I really appreciated the article. I was looking for something like it, a few months ago. If anything, I wish it went even deeper, delving into areas like multithreading and memory usage.
  • hlovatt - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    It would be interesting to repeat on a Mac to see how Safari stacked up. I think Edge is available and Chrome and Firefox are.
  • eek2121 - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    All of the browsers are available on the mac OS.

    I use Edge and it is insanely fast.
  • Showtime - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    So you'd say Edge is faster than Safari, or are they all insanely fast?
  • Retycint - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    Subjectively, Safari feels much faster than firefox/edge on my hackintosh. Safari scrolling and window resizing are perfectly smooth whereas the other two browsers would have occasional stuttering. Safari also scores higher in the browserbench speedometer benchmark
  • skavi - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    Safari on Catalina definitely gets you a much higher Speedometer 2.0 score than in Chrome. That's all I've tested though.
  • Kangal - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    Safari is still the king on OS X (aka macOS).

    It may not be the prettiest, or have the most features, or necessarily be the absolute fastest, but it's very very smooth and the battery life is unparalleled. To the point, where little to no other Windows laptop can match.

    ...with that said, I use Firefox because last year there was a major update to Firefox that improved everything tremendously AND because I accidentally updated to Catalina. It broke my extensions for Adblocking in Safari. And my 32-bit Applications no longer run. I'm too lazy to roll back, and I'm just putting up with it. So yeah, stay on High Sierra for as long as you can manage. The handful few of iPad Apps that are now supported by Catalina, and the buggier new Safari browser are simply not worth the trade-off. Especially for anyone with a Late 2015 Retina MacBook Pro 13/15, the gold standard of Macs.
  • cheapodev - Monday, September 21, 2020 - link

    You're just like me!!! I have a late 2015 15" Macbook Pro and I will remain on High Sierra for as long as I can. I'm not giving up my older Safari with the better browser extension support, they're not taking away my fully functional ublock! My major issue is that since upgrading from Sierra to High Sierra, I have to do a reboot from time to time or else WindowServer will keep sucking up RAM and hard crash my laptop.

    I will say the smaller bezels and lighter weight of the 16" macbook pros is making me real jealous. I'm going to hold out for the Apple SOC Macbook Pro though.
  • tipoo - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    Yeah I'd love to see Safari tested, especially on Big Sur, with their eyebrow raising claims that it renders pages 50% faster than Chrome.
  • ABR - Saturday, September 12, 2020 - link

    This. I know Windows is still king, but yes, I stopped reading when it got to Safari - "not tested".
  • TelstarTOS - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    I liked the old Edge for features rather than compatibility, and I totally miss the tabbed favourites/history etc. Besides that chromium Edge is much faster and overall better browser. Hoping for some extension...
  • FreckledTrout - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    I can feel that Chromium Edge is faster on most sites I frequent. I'm still running it and Chrome side by side but I may switch over to Edge. It now supports the plugins I use.
  • Drumsticks - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    It's worth pointing out that Edge fully supports installing extensions directly from the Chrome Web Store. If your extension isn't on Edge's store, you can grab it straight from Chrome.
  • Jorgp2 - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    Old edge had better touchscreen support, and never lost tabs when the browser or system crashed. It also felt smoother in most websites, and didn't have Chrome's fullscreen video bug.

    It is also a better Windows browser, supporting tab suspension. A tab could go from 0/0 usage to being fully enabled instantly.
    It's stupid how chrome and Firefox have to load tabs one by one when you switch to them.
  • cashkennedy - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    I also preferred the features of the old edge. But in regards to the tabs all closing: you can restore all the tabs that were recently closed by going to history, and the first entry will be something like "13 recently closed tabs" and it will reopen everything.
  • TelstarTOS - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    This is what I mean:
    https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoftedge/...
  • wpcoe - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    Would be interesting to see how Vivaldi stacked up with the others.
  • TheWereCat - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    Yeah, I'm sad they didn't include it but they also did not include Brave and others... Honestly it's not that surprising, even 6 browsers is a lot of work to test for.
  • Dorkaman - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    Me too. But it is based on Chromium so maybe it fares like the others.
  • StormyParis - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    1- I'm fairly disappointed to not see Vivaldi, it's the one I'm considering switching to.
    2- speed and memory usage are pretty much non-issues at least on desktops. I'm much, much more concerned about data leaking and tracking, which I've heard Chrome does a lot of, not sure if the other browsers on the same en gine also do.
    3- MS had their chance at browsers, they horribly abused their dominant position. It'll be a hot day in hell when I hand them over that gift again.
  • bigvlada - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    Don't consider, switch. I have been using it since Opera 12 was abandoned. It is it's spiritual successor.
  • StormyParis - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    I tried, but too early (missing features, no Android version), so now I'm invested in Firefox and have no reason to dump it (I give them a month to fix the Android version).
  • Tams80 - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    There is an Android version now (unless you mean you tried it too early).

    I'm not sure there is much point in testing it though. It's still Chromium.

    And I miss proper Opera and there being more competition.
  • sheh - Wednesday, September 23, 2020 - link

    Sadly, Vivaldi still doesn't match Opera 12.
    Too much focus on esoteric features, not enough on the bread and butter.
  • Alien88 - Sunday, September 27, 2020 - link

    Trying Vivaldi today (normally use Opera) and it's generally quite nice, but it is missing one feature that really has no equal anywhere, and that's workspaces in Opera. Vivaldi has tab stacking but it's not even close to workspaces. I have workspaces set up for different topics and uses, like personal, work, interesting stuff I will look at later, etc, usually use around 5 workspaces. Once you've used this features, nothing else can really replace it, so Vivaldi really, really need to implement their version of it. Oh, and they need to fix their password import capabilities, some come in ok, others are blank, not very helpful.
  • s.yu - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    I'm the sort that leaves dozens of tabs open for weeks and RAM is definitely an issue. 16GB pretty much solves it but with old Edge on 8GB it will eventually crash, I'm worried that if MS makes the new Edge mandatory it would crash even faster.
  • koaschten - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    I don't care how fast a browser renders a site, as long as an ad-blocker gives me multiple times faster load times.... create sensible ads that load fast and are unintrusive and I might consider to stop blocking them.
  • BedfordTim - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    You have hit the nail on the head. They should be testing ad blockers rather than browsers.
  • Tomatotech - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    How much do you pay Anandtechtech for their content? It’ll be a cold day in hell before they ever do an in-depth review and comparison of ad blockers. Any worthy winner will see almost their entire readership adopting it and their ad revenue dropping even lower than it is already.

    I do agree such a review would be glorious to see but it would be complete economic suicide.
  • Tomatotech - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    (I’m sure the staff all use & have their own favourite ad blockers. But it’s a modern day taboo in this particular situation. )
  • mr_tawan - Friday, September 11, 2020 - link

    It's probably better if you just stop using websites with Ad.
  • goatfajitas - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    What versions? I know it was recent, but Chrome 84 or 85?
  • Stochastic - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    Chrome 84 (see the table on the first page).
  • cknobman - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    No memory usage tests?!!!

    Good to see Microsoft kicking butt as I love the new browser and prefer it over Chrome.
  • shabby - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    Yup it's not a browser battle without memory usage, shame!
  • s.yu - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    Ah, so I'm not the only one.
  • RSAUser - Friday, September 11, 2020 - link

    Memory usage is a bit iffy, since I'd prefer if my browser uses more memory to load stuff faster if it's available, and all browsers will adjust according to ratios. They'll all release the memory they're using if the system requests it.

    RAM is useless if it isn't actually used.
  • s.yu - Sunday, September 13, 2020 - link

    >They'll all release the memory they're using if the system requests it.
    Nope. There's definitely some sort of memory leak with at least Chrome and old Edge. It's slow but it's there, eventually it'll crash everything that tries to load into RAM, it's just slow enough that most people don't notice, but if you have enough tabs and keep them open for long enough you'll see it.
  • Revv233 - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    Of Microsoft had called edge Internet explorer it would probably still have market share.

    People are fickle.
  • Zeratul56 - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    I don’t know about that. By the time windows 10 came out, IE’s street Fred has all dried up and it was the “slow legacy” browser. Google had top mind share in browser in that era. Things do seem like they are shifting slightly now though...
  • Tomatotech - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    Poor Fred. How is he nowadays?
  • tipoo - Friday, September 11, 2020 - link

    On the street and dried up, apparently.
  • Lezmaka - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    I'm guessing Chromium Edge is faster since it's not constantly sending every action to Google.
  • PeachNCream - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    Yeah, Google is yet again in legal peril over non-consensual data collection in Chrome. There are lawsuits in Canada and the US over data collection while incognito and data collection without Chrome sign-in. Bottom line is that Google is a disgusting, filthy company with a business model that lives and dies on collecting, compiling, and mining your data across multiple products.

    Browser performance can climb into the back seat and get in a long line behind concerns about my browser not selling me out to revolting home invaders like Google and the other tech companies that present their products and services as oh-so-beneficial and helpful to me. I'll wait a few seconds for a tab to load if my browser isn't selling me off to the mothership.
  • eastcoast_pete - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    Appreciate that point, especially when running Linux, those can be reasonably snappy. But, as your comment also suggests, I believe those low-end laptops are a good testing platform for which browser is able to stay usable with many tabs open despite limited memory and computing power. Brett's test system is already quite well equipped with both of those, and unlikely to run out of either.
  • sonny73n - Friday, September 11, 2020 - link

    You’re spot on about Google. Chrome automatic updates can’t be disabled in Group Policy or changed to manual. Goggle services constantly running in the background probably to collect your data. And when you uninstall Chrome, it would leave traces everywhere all over your system. They’re truly a disgusting and filthy POS. I’m glad that some phones are without Google services.
  • sonny73n - Friday, September 11, 2020 - link

    Hey Google, I’m glad that you banned some Chinese manufactures from using your spying services. I’d rather have the Chinese spy on me. You’re the evil with no human decency, moral and ethic. You’re just a low life scum working for the Deep State mafia. Time to get rid of you.
  • Lord of the Bored - Sunday, September 13, 2020 - link

    Google didn't ban any chinese manufacturers from using their services. The US government did, and China banned its residents from using several more services because they weren't censored enough and contained factual information that made Emperor Pooh Bear look bad
  • imaheadcase - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    I never understood the whole best browser, it really just comes down to what you like best. On a normal PC it won't make one difference to a user anymore.
  • heffeque - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    For some people it's a matter of which one makes you feel less of a product.
    Personally I switched back to Firefox after Google did something with Chrome which I very much disagreed with (I don't remember what anymore, but I remember that it was the last straw) and although it has a few quirks here and there (especially the Android's latest version) I'm happy to have done it. Google/Microsoft have too much power regarding the web browsing, and going Firefox is the best way to fight their supremacy.
  • heffeque - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    Wow, what happened to my English. Sorry about that. No edit button to correct it.
  • BedfordTim - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    I swapped from FireFox to Brave to Edgium, and in each case it was because something was broken. I think it was spell check for FireFox and translation for Brave.
  • ava1ar - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    Vivaldi? Probably one of the best Chrome-based browsers for power users with huge number of options and customizations.
  • quiksilvr - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    In all these tests not once does it measure how much RAM the browsers use up when visiting sites. That is where Edge Chromium shines. It even uses less RAM than Firefox which is the only reason why anyone uses Firefox anymore.
  • HideOut - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    I think RAM usage would have been very relevant too especially with multiple tabs. Chrome seems to be a ram hog
  • Showtime - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    Considering speed differences are negligible, they definitely missed out on comparing things that actually affect peoples choice of browser.
  • tipoo - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    I expected Chredge to squeeze out some amount of battery life win vs Chrome with its purported less tracking, but with a few minutes between them it seems all but even. The results seem very much like "chromium is chromium" for now, not much distance between anything but legacy browsers.
  • eastcoast_pete - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    Thanks Brett! As several here have already pointed out, the choice of which browser is my go-to or default one depends on a lot more than "speed". One key aspect is the availability of add-ons and extensions that let me customize my setup; key considerations are security and privacy. Another consideration is just how many tabs and windows I can have open without the browser eating my RAM for breakfast; for this, testing on a decidedly entry-level system such as a low-end notebook (Celeron with 4 GB of RAM without an NVMe/PCIe SSD) might be eye-opening. And, before anyone wonders who would use such a setup: millions of students currently in remote/home based classes do just that.
  • PeachNCream - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    Not just students. Tech enthusiasts also use those Celeron nXXXX laptops that ship with 4GB of soldered down RAM and 32-64GB of eMMC memory. I can vouch for that personally, though I did recently "upgrade" from a Celeron n2840-based Acer to an HP Stream with a Celeron n3060. They do pretty well with light browsing, but I wouldn't try much heavy gaming on it and loading up with lots o' tabs is asking for a poor experience. That HP is my primary computer since it has loads of battery life, no cooling fan noise, and a surprisingly good feeling keyboard.
  • Eliadbu - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    Old habits die hard. I have been using Firefox probably before Chrome was even released and it served me well so I did not bother to switch on PC for anything else.
    seems like I did not miss a lot.
    Also I respect it does well considering the huge money behind other competitors that are advertising driven.
  • skavi - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    Thanks for making this! I'd love to see Safari included next time.
  • casperes1996 - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    Whenever Big Sur is released I'd love a Mac version of this with the new Safari in the mix - It's one of basically 3 unique browsers left, and on my 2020 iMac it was faster than Chrome in every single test as well as using fewer system resources, and on my MacBook, gives better battery life with light usage
  • OreoCookie - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    I was so excited to read this article — until I realized the author was going to exclude Safari. Given that there are three browser engines of relevance these days, Chromium, Gecko and WebKit, excluding the one that is in the #2 spot (since it is on all iOS devices) makes this article worth much less.
  • Brett Howse - Friday, September 11, 2020 - link

    It's tough to include Safari in an article where I want to see how Microsoft's move from EdgeHTML to Chromium went, when Safari is only on the Mac.
  • OreoCookie - Saturday, September 12, 2020 - link

    Why is that tough, I think it is really easy? Just use a Mac, install Boot Camp on it and make it dual boot Windows. You then have a perfectly fair way to test all browsers natively. It'd also be interesting to see if there are any speed differences between the OSes. And since you are not benchmarking hardware, any Mac will do.
  • Lord of the Bored - Sunday, September 13, 2020 - link

    Because the underlying OS is a factor. You simply can't compare Safari on OSX to Edge on WinX. It is a meaningless metric.

    Hell, you can't even compare Chromium Edge on WinX to Old Edge on a diffrent WinX service pack.
  • OreoCookie - Monday, September 14, 2020 - link

    Chrome and Edge run perfectly fine on my Mac. So you could account for differences in the OS.
  • casperes1996 - Sunday, September 13, 2020 - link

    Understandable, and with the focus on Edge going Chromium for this article that's a sensible choice. - But for a future article with the focus shifted more onto the nature of what is essentially a three horse race in the browser space, I'd love to see some numbers behind Safari's impressive speed and battery life, though comparatively lacking feature set
  • OreoCookie - Sunday, September 13, 2020 - link

    Regarding feature set, AFAIK the main reason for Safari “lagging behind” is security and that Apple and Google have fundamentally different opinions about how HTML5 should evolve. Google is prioritizing features that allow for richer web apps. But these features could become liabilities as far as privacy and security is concerned. And they could become battery life hogs. And Apple thinks native apps are better than web apps, and making HTML5 into an app platform would be worse for HTML5 and the consumers.

    Personally, I agree with Apple here, I hate web apps and apps that are mere HTML wrappers. The user experience is very lackluster and performance nowhere near as good. Websites that could be super simple already require me to download megabytes to view read an article that is a few kB in size.

    Independently on how you feel about that, a browser review that leaves out the #2 engine seems like it is missing the mark.
  • asmian - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    It would have been interesting to see some significant and by now completely different forked versions like Pale Moon included to see how the debloating of Firefox code and a different rendering engine affects results.
  • biofrog - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link

    Thanks, very interesting.
    I thought I'd try my real-life test opening a 49MB HTML log file. Time to finish loading was:
    Chrome: 14 minutes 46 seconds
    Firefox: 7 seconds
    Edge: cant even open local files
    IE: 12 seconds

    Nope, still not going to use Chrome until they get that fixed. It used to work around v50-ish. At roughly 12,657 times slower than Firefox, it seems Chrome isn't feasible for my work.
  • Khenglish - Friday, September 11, 2020 - link

    Can we get a RAM usage comparison for similar tasks? Historically I used to see Chrome use the most memory, and edge classic use the least. Lately Firefox seems to be using ridiculous amounts of memory. It'd be good for a more in depth comparison.
  • RickyBaby - Friday, September 11, 2020 - link

    I'll echo the sentiments of several others. My #1 concern is the ability of a browser to protect my privacy and block ads. NOTHING ELSE COMES CLOSE. Why doesn't AT or any other site respect our wishes and provide the details we actually want to know ? And, yes, you already know the answer. GOOGLE IS EVIL. Apple, MS are no different. Is it true that FF is owned by the Chinese and our data is mined and sent there ? That's what we really want to know ... along with which plug-ins work best is stopping the spying ? How about a review of TOR browser ? Yeah. Right. We get it. AT and all the other tech sites are owned by the same EVIL we are trying to avoid. Pretty much figure that I just got banned. And since I'm going down ... FB is EVIL too. Twitter is EVIL. Both ban anyone who isn't complicit to their EVIL. What the hell happened ? Speaking for the average geek ... we want our internet back and yes it was stolen from us. Thanks.
  • The Garden Variety - Friday, September 11, 2020 - link

    So, other than that, Ms. Lincoln, how was the play?
  • Tewt - Thursday, September 24, 2020 - link

    I agree, RickyBaby. I think there is too much curation on the internet. The fun of discovery of new sites and ideas appears to have vanished. Now, most of my results always bring back just the top news(political, tech, life, etc) sites or retailers. It feels like there are no new discoveries. I used to be able to go back 10, 13, 20 pages and there would be a ton of different websites. Now, each page is mostly the same. That is boring and stifling.
  • lmcd - Friday, September 11, 2020 - link

    None of these benchmarks would even be relevant if Mozilla had the muscle that the Chrome team does. Instead, all of our JS libraries would interop with asm.js utility libraries, and Chrome's weak optimizations there would lead to massive performance wins for Firefox.

    It's disgusting to me how the Chrome team gets to pick and choose the standards that win. Their selections are regularly wrong, sometimes outright harmful.
  • Sivar - Friday, September 11, 2020 - link

    I like Edge overall, but it occasionally freezes when loading a website. The browser is still responsive, the "Loading" notification appears, but that tab is permanently defunct. It will never, ever load the page. It won't respond to a refresh request. I have to close it and open the same page in another tab, which has so far always immediately loaded.
    This happens on both Windows 10 and iPhone, with or without extensions.
  • six_tymes - Friday, September 11, 2020 - link

    the new edge has been the fastest browser since December of 2019.
  • OreoCookie - Sunday, September 13, 2020 - link

    Edge has replaced Chrome on my Mac. Their UI isn't as good as Safari, but it is a capable and fast browser. The only criticism — which isn't really Microsoft's fault — is that the number of ads in Youtube has exploded. That shows me *how much* Google syphoned off my personal data in return. Not cool and I am glad to suffer a tad to have a shred more privacy.
  • GeoffreyA - Saturday, September 12, 2020 - link

    Have been using Firefox for a few years and am quite happy with it. Used to use Chrome on the desktop, though admittedly, still on my phone (along with Opera). As for IE, with all its faults, I think many, like myself, feel a bit nostalgic towards it.
  • Tilmitt - Monday, September 14, 2020 - link

    Just defected to Edge. Google's moat is breached.
  • edzieba - Monday, September 14, 2020 - link

    I'll be over in the corner with the weirdos using Palemoon.

    XUL LIVES!
  • IGnatius T Foobar - Monday, September 14, 2020 - link

    Brave and Dissenter are Chromium forks which provide all of the Chrome browsing experience with none of the Google. That's a fantastic value proposition, especially when combined with DuckDuckGo for search.
  • zeeBomb - Monday, September 14, 2020 - link

    browser battles in 2020? who would’ve thought!
  • GTVic - Monday, September 14, 2020 - link

    I recommend Browser Chooser 2. Lets you pick the best browser for each link.
  • martixy - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    I feel it's mostly about feature set at this point.

    I use FF on mobile because it supports extensions better, I use chrome on desktop because it supports extensions better.
  • reheri - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    𝐒𝐭𝐚𝐫𝐭 𝐰𝐨𝐫𝐤𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐚𝐭 𝐡𝐨𝐦𝐞 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐆𝐨𝐨𝐠𝐥𝐞! 𝐈𝐭’𝐬 𝐛𝐲-𝐟𝐚𝐫 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐛𝐞𝐬𝐭 𝐣𝐨𝐛 𝐈’𝐯𝐞 𝐡𝐚𝐝.𝐋𝐚𝐬𝐭 𝐖𝐞𝐝𝐧𝐞𝐬𝐝𝐚𝐲 𝐈 𝐠𝐨𝐭 𝐚 𝐛𝐫𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐧𝐞𝐰 𝐁𝐌𝐖 𝐬𝐢𝐧𝐜𝐞 𝐠𝐞𝐭𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐚 𝐜𝐡𝐞𝐜𝐤 𝐟𝐨𝐫 $𝟔𝟒𝟕𝟒.𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬 - 𝟒 𝐰𝐞𝐞𝐤𝐬 𝐩𝐚𝐬𝐭. 𝐈 𝐛𝐞𝐠𝐚𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝟖-𝐦𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐡𝐬 𝐚𝐠𝐨 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐢𝐦𝐦𝐞𝐝𝐢𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐥𝐲 𝐰𝐚𝐬.𝐛𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐠𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐡𝐨𝐦𝐞 𝐚𝐭 𝐥𝐞𝐚𝐬𝐭 $𝟏𝟕𝟕 𝐩𝐞𝐫 𝐡𝐨𝐮𝐫. 𝐈 𝐰𝐨𝐫𝐤 𝐭𝐡𝐫𝐨𝐮𝐠𝐡 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐥𝐢𝐧𝐤 COPY THIS SITE and see video...............  cutt.ly/UflNJc9
  • DominionSeraph - Wednesday, September 16, 2020 - link

    Edge's translation seems to suck compared to Chrome, and THEY SWITCH THE ORDER OF JAPANESE NAMES.

    No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no.
  • Gastec - Friday, September 18, 2020 - link

    I have 600 Mbps internet connection and in Firefox it only goes to 400-420 Mbps on all online speed tests, while on Chrome it reaches full 600 Mbps. Maybe someone can explain to me why?
  • Alien88 - Saturday, September 19, 2020 - link

    I used to use firefox but the UI changes were driving me nuts, switched to Opera years back. It has inbuilt mouse gestures, you can install any chrome extension (it's based on chrome), it has an inbuilt VPN, and it all just works. It may be owned by the chinese (not sure if that's the case) but who cares, they datamine constantly anyway, if you think they don't have your data, you are kidding yourself.
  • destroy1234 - Friday, September 25, 2020 - link

    Opera is owned by Qihoo 360, the notorious company developed the first Adware in China, sold it to Yahoo, then released a antivirus/rogue software to uninstall that Adware LOL
  • Alien88 - Saturday, September 26, 2020 - link

    That's a bummer, because it works for me far better than any other browser. I guess I will look at something else, but they all seem to have serious drawbacks. I re-try various browsers every few months to see what's changed, and most have these horrible UIs that hide everything away and make it hard to customise without the use of plugins etc. Oh for a simple, fast browser which is fully customisable, with an inbuilt VPN.
  • bajs11 - Wednesday, September 23, 2020 - link

    I really like Firefox because of its NoScript addon
    but it seems some websites have started to dislike it because Tom's Hardware wouldn't even load lol
  • Huzzam - Friday, September 25, 2020 - link

    any chance you could include Safari amongst these results? at least for the compatibility part?
  • Huzzam - Friday, September 25, 2020 - link

    i'm trying to avoid chrome-based browsers, which boils down to firefox vs safari if you're on a mac
  • monu - Tuesday, September 29, 2020 - link

    grt to see thin info.
    http://www.dllfilemissing.com/
    http://recover-files-mac.com/
    http://youtvplayerapks.com/
    http://xmodapkdownload.com/
  • tuxRoller - Monday, October 5, 2020 - link

    Perhaps i missed it, but, that battery test looks wankers.
    Are you counting the number of iterations of the test?
  • arana1 - Friday, January 15, 2021 - link

    Compuserv? is that a new thing? I use Delphi forums via Tymnet, and with my hayes 300bps no one can beat me
  • rahulghose - Thursday, March 17, 2022 - link

    https://blog.rghose.in/2022/03/share-keyboard-mous...
  • Victor_Voropaev717 - Friday, June 17, 2022 - link

    Antidetect Browser Gologin Number one, also they have 2 week free trial with promocode Personax

    no fingerprint, free proxy,

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