Look, I like headphone jacks and hate the wasteful wireless earphones that will be lost or thrown away. And it's probably the only thing I've plugged into my ipad except for charging. BUT, come on. Of course it doesn't have a headphone jack. We lost the argument.
Why would you make such an assinine comment? I have a Galaxy Tab S6, and an iPad Pro 12.9. The 120Hz refresh rate provides such an incredibly smooth interaction when doing even the simplest of things such as scrolling on a website. Also pen polling rate is very important. While my iPad pencil feels almost like you're literally writing on paper in terms of its responsiveness, the writing on the Galaxy Tab S6 is horrendous beyond belief, so much so that I don't even carry the pen with me, even though my case literally has a holder for the pen.
Refresh rates are more important than you think. Try them side by side and you won't doubt it.
danbob999: Latency for a lot of the rendering and display pipeline is dictated in frames, not milliseconds. So increasing the frame rate from 60 to 120 doesn't reduce latency by half of a 60 Hz frame, but rather by half of a 60 Hz frame times the number of frames of latency built into the display pipeline.
This can actually be a fairly large number. A simple experiment you can do is to swipe your finger back and forth on a tablet or phone drawer or other menu and watch how much the UI lags behind where your finger is. Typically it will several frames behind where your finger is.
there was 75 Hz CRT monitors but most people didn't even bother setting the refresh rate to the max in their settings. Except those 144 Hz "gaming" monitor, nobody cares about more than 60 Hz on PC.
That's the dumbest thing I've ever seen. Most people dont KNOW what a refresh rate is, you dumbass. Believe it or not most people used CRTs at 60 HZ, why do you think flat panels caught on so quickly?
They really didn't. With the majority of graphics cards Windows would default to 1024x768 at 75Hz. It would only run at 60Hz if you specified a resolution that was too high for the RAMDAC to handle at a higher refresh rate.
Flat panels caught on so quickly because people didn't like having a massive ~20Kg lump taking up most of their desk space, and they produced a reliably sharp image. You can take it from somebody who actually lived through that era.
Entirely wrong. I was using 75Hz+ monitors in the 1990s - they were generally referred to as "flicker free". Most 17" monitors could do 85Hz at XGA res, the better ones did 100Hz at XGA and 85Hz at 1280x960. 60Hz was gross and gave me eye-strain.
60Hz+ is relatively new to *mainstream LCD monitors*.
Even the typical power user doesn't need 120Hz. This tablet is not meant to be a special tool for specific gaming cases. It's a high end general purpose tablet, an iPad competitor. The very same people using this tablet are going to use a 60 Hz refresh rate on their computer. I am typing this on a 30 Hz refresh rate (my HDMI output is limited to 4k @ 30 Hz). It's a bit low but good enough for web browsing and typical job work (coding/email/office/whatever)
It has a stylus - the implied use case is for somebody who uses that, and having a high refresh rate dramatically improves the apparent responsiveness of the inking process. Apple already proved this out pretty successfully with the iPad Pro.
Try inking at 30Hz, see where that gets you. The change from 60Hz to 120Hz doesn't feel quite so dramatic on the way up, but it sure feels that way on the way back down.
Seems a lot less functionally flexible than a cheap Windows tablet for a much higher price with only a few fairly unimportant marketing bullet points (like screen refresh rate) to make a vague attempt at justification of the high cost. I guess there's the argument that Apple also will charge buyers quite a high cost for an iPad, so there is that, but really.
I now have bought three iPads in the past year. The smaller pro, the latest air and the basic iPad. I find the battery life terrible. My kids get about 5-6 hours of watching downloaded videos and on the Pro I get the same of working on mobile data. And playing Minecraft even on the Pro is certainly not fluid at all, chews through battery and makes it very hot.
I don't really understand premium Android tablets either. Back in the early days there was an argument for it, but the Google Play store has been a dead-zone for tablet apps for the best part of ten years now.
It's a lot more flexible in terms of touch-compatible software. Kindle, games, comic readers, pen-based software, AR, most of that stuff is on Android but not on Windows.
And I can't imagine choosing a cheap Windows tablet. Going below a Surface Go specs-wise is just asking for trouble except for a niche use.
Absolutely crazy decision: on a phone *maybe* you can claim it's for space and waterproofing, on a tablet there is no excuse whatsoever, in fact it's used as a media consumption device a lot so even more reason. Also, with those flat sides it's obviously trying to ape the iPad Pro, all the previous ones have been mostly rounded edges with their own style (e.g. glass backs). I will give this a miss...
Yep that flat side design is what caught my attention on the design, why does every single fucking OEM copy the goddamn Apple. Chinese have an obsession that is case since the beginning. But Samsung is doing it shamelessly and people are fine like that stupid dead pixel zone in notch / hole etc bs. Remove the 3.5mm jack ugh.
The worst which hit me hard was not these, I can live without a 3.5mm jack if possible for a BL unlocked phone but the worst issue is Scoped Storage, it's down right castration of Android's advantage, that makes any folder the phone invisible to any app. You cannot even see them in file managers, sandboxed. You cannot copy, it creates a clone if you want to edit from Mediastore. And to share, just like iPhone from the app you have to do it and that is not there for all goddamned apps. That thing wrecked me hard. Using Android is useless now, what's the advantage ? default apps and launcher except them nothing is worth useful now same planned
eh its not a copy at all, every tablet in existence follows the same flow design put out. Thats like saying every monitor copies the next one. Well no shit, its a monitor not a car that allows lots of different designs to make off of. lol
I actually have both an iPad Pro 12.9 2017 and a Galaxy Tab S6 256GB. I, for the most part, prefer the Tab S6 in many ways but the Stylus is a major drawback.
The stylus on the Tab S6, I realized, is the old Wacom that everyone used to use. However, I realized that for that style of stylus, the nub is a small pointer at the end of a somewhat thick body which means I cant use it at a more extreme angle. On the iPad, because the tip is tapered, I hold the tip at like a 30 degree angle while on the Tab S6 I Have to hold it at something more like a 60 degree angle, which to me is very annoying.
The pricing is stupid, you can get a proper PC for this price, a 2in1 actually with performance in a different league with a zen2 8 cores, full Windows and last but not least a headphone jack, which makes this tablet useless.
Exactly man, but you know people are more into the garbage smartphone OSes rather than a Desktop system. That's why these companies get away with sealed shut batteries, 2 year max life, no 3.5mm jacks. The worst has already hit, Filesystem castration on Android, I just wish tech journos make people know what is coming, Scoped Storage read on it. It makes Android filesystem like iOS.
Now it even makes less sense to own an Android device, what is the use, it doesn't have a jack, it cannot use the filesystem like a PC (Windows / Linux) it doesn't have any performance like a PC, stuck with the ecosystem on Apple and retarded blown up apps on Android.
/rolls eyes. What the actual hell are you talking about. Everything you just said has made everyone else dumber in this comment section, and no point in that rambling incoherent response did you even come close to a rational though. Nothing you said means anything to a tablet user. No one complains of a sealed battery, 2 year max life wtf are you smoking, a headphone jack is not even remotely a reason to consider when buying something anymore. lol
DId you just compare a full fledged PC to a tablet? THEN complain about a headphone jack on a tablet that is sitting in front of you or on lap that a BT headset would of been better for in the first place? Why yes you did, and the world laughed at you.
If Microsoft wants to run Windows on ARM, why can't they make it as thin and light and attractive as this instead of a bulky form factor like the Surface Pro X?
Every app in chrome store works with tablet, they literally have apps that position them to work for them even if "not compatible". Its been that way for years now.
Camera bump? Oh dear. Won't sit flat on a surface. No Qi charging? Oh dear. Still have my HP TouchPad because literally nothing else charges wirelessly like it.
I'll be buying a maxed out S7+ (5G, 256, 8GB RAM) with keyboard. This will be great for watching videos. Slightly larger videos than my 12.9in ipad pro but much lighter compared to ipad + smart cover
Not impressed with the LCD S, they should leave garbage displays to cheap tiers like the A series, or Onn or iPad pro- something where you clearly know you're getting cost cutting at the cost of quality.
Well it is technically the "cheap" one of the two they have. I mean the bump to OLED is only like $200. If spending for a tablet anyways its a no brainer.
I got an S5e early this year to replace my Nexus 10 (Samsung OEM), that was just getting a little too slow with what web sites are throwing at browsers these days.
Main use was just browsing during meals, because keyboard are much more trouble to clean afterwards. Screen and performance was generally ok, even if it wasn't quite as snappy as my phone (835 at that point).
When the S6 like came out with a pen, I longed to see what my daughter could do with it, who will spend hours "painting" with a mouse on her PC but also with her finger on her phone.
But I couldn't quite imagine going back from the wonderful OLED sceen of the S5e just for a pen... So I got the S6 instead, which had both and could be had from Hungary at around €600 with LTE, really just a small increment over the S5e, which I could still return for a refund.
My daughter wasn't convinced but I was: It's way snappier than the S5e and in the mean-time the phone is on the same SoC, too, both 855.
I had to wait a long time to get a proper tablet at a price that wasn't punitive and I am very happy with the value. While I haven't travelled nearly as much in recent months thanks to Corona, it has still been very nice to have around for an evening in the hotel when I did. I got a cheap bluetooth keyboard and cover that does just fine in case I want to write some mails, even carry a small bluetooth mouse with it, so it can do corporate mail office stuff apart from surfing and video.
I've tried the DEX mode, it's rather good once you enable developer mode and do away with the silly restrictions, and I have tried various Ethernet adapters, even 2.5Gbit I think, which worked just fine. DEX ist limited to around 3k, not the full 4k of my main screen, which is a little sad, as that also powers the tablet. It's getting pretty close to being a full thin client in addition to being a tablet and low-power computer.
Lack of Windows hasn't bothered me, Windows on ARM is too much of an iJail clone to interest me, I'd rather like to see support for Linux desktop apps with Wayland and a Linux userland of choice in a chroot() or better container. I've used Linux Deploy to run a full Linux userland on other Androids and it's much more attractive as a typical developer/admin desktop than Windows. And then there is always RDP when a Windows desktop is a must.
I am glad it can be rooted, that will most likely extend its life-time significantly and give me at least part of the contral I require from every very personal computing device I own.
Samsung introductory prices always seem rather inflated to me, too, so I'd suggest y'all keep looking for the price drop, which is sure to come before the next generation rolls out.
One thing that irritated me very much initially is that upright scrolling gave me vertigo: As you scroll up, everything on the screen tilts a bit with the left side lagging behind the right; opposite effect as you scroll down. I went back to my Nexus 10 to check and observed the very same thing. All three devices, which offer vastly different CPU and GPU power actually exhibited that behavior.
Once I thought it through, it became evident that there is nothing to be done about it, except to design a tablet with dual display controllers, one for each orientation. Smooth scrolling that follows the frame buffer layout is easy enough to do, but smooth scrolling where you have to fully transpose every pixel requires one or two orders of magnitude more data to move and that's visible even with the latest and greatest silicon.
That is a little sad, because I actually like using the upright mode on PDFs and browsing, but knowing that it can't really be fixed, made it easier to bear. With an 8" variant I might prefer an upright base design, the way it's done for phones.
It is a tablet, you may need to charge it while using for example to take lessons and then you have your wonderful 3.5mm headphones and... how the hell do you use them? I hate the fact that they removed the headphone jack, i passed onto wireless buds on my s10 plus but i still want the jack to be there wheter it is for gaming or I amn far away from home and i urgently need some cheap buds to plug in, or even to use my over the ear headphones to listen to mucis.
They removed the jack with the excuse of space, which is proven to be wrong, and here they cannot use that excuse.
Never going to buy something without a headphone jack, especially at those prices, they higher the price the more versatility the device should givve you. The removal of the jack is unacceptable altogether
Then you are going to be in a huge disappointment because its pretty much going away forever in the coming years. Why the hell would you care anyways, every study has shown that the difference in sound quality is nill for users when comparing to headphone jacks. Its wireless, its simple to use.
Really nice tablet. It's great How technic is increasing and developing. I would buy galaxy tab s7 I need for watching movies do some work staff and gaming especially. Geometry dash game Will perform great on it.
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Alistair - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
Nice, finally a high end tablet for Android! And I wonder if Samsung made these because they'd be perfect for Windows on ARM also.earthzero - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
I can only hope so. This form factor is awesome. I only wish that the screen ratio was the same as the surface products.Spunjji - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
16:10 is a pretty solid compromiseBarfo - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
No headphone jack...what's the excuse this time?haukionkannel - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
Old tech that is not chick?Yeah... Maybe they just don´t have 3.5mm jacks in the storage anymore...
mrvco - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
"Modular Headphone Jack" ? With 'modular' being a USB-C dongle.imaheadcase - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
Yah and no LAN port! /sarcasm Because its not needed is why..not really a excuse when its obsolete.RSAUser - Friday, August 7, 2020 - link
Definitely not obsolete, and Lan ports are definitely not obsolete as well, but wouldn't expect an rj45 port on a tablet due to use case.nico_mach - Saturday, August 8, 2020 - link
Look, I like headphone jacks and hate the wasteful wireless earphones that will be lost or thrown away. And it's probably the only thing I've plugged into my ipad except for charging. BUT, come on. Of course it doesn't have a headphone jack. We lost the argument.imaheadcase - Saturday, August 22, 2020 - link
/swoosh of course lan ports aren't on tablets..that is the point. Headphone jacks don't need to be as well.danbob999 - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
Why would a typical tablet user need a 120 Hz display?Most people don't even have 60+ Hz computer monitors. I think it's a gimmick.
cknobman - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
For the pen and responsiveness.danbob999 - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
BS. I bet if there is a way to reduce the refresh rate to 60 Hz you won't notice the difference when using the pen.dotjaz - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
That's a lotta BS from someone who can't even see the benefit of HRF. I can't be bothered looking at anything below 90Hz. It's just too choppy.imaheadcase - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
Oh good you are the majority of people..said no one ever.Socius - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
Why would you make such an assinine comment? I have a Galaxy Tab S6, and an iPad Pro 12.9. The 120Hz refresh rate provides such an incredibly smooth interaction when doing even the simplest of things such as scrolling on a website. Also pen polling rate is very important. While my iPad pencil feels almost like you're literally writing on paper in terms of its responsiveness, the writing on the Galaxy Tab S6 is horrendous beyond belief, so much so that I don't even carry the pen with me, even though my case literally has a holder for the pen.Refresh rates are more important than you think. Try them side by side and you won't doubt it.
danbob999 - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
what makes you think the difference you notice is because of 120 Hz and not the fact that it's a completely different device with different OS?sneakyB - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
Yeah Socius, what makes you think your knowledge is better than his ignorance, mmh ?saratoga4 - Thursday, August 13, 2020 - link
danbob999: Latency for a lot of the rendering and display pipeline is dictated in frames, not milliseconds. So increasing the frame rate from 60 to 120 doesn't reduce latency by half of a 60 Hz frame, but rather by half of a 60 Hz frame times the number of frames of latency built into the display pipeline.This can actually be a fairly large number. A simple experiment you can do is to swipe your finger back and forth on a tablet or phone drawer or other menu and watch how much the UI lags behind where your finger is. Typically it will several frames behind where your finger is.
shabby - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
Umm all monitors have been 60hz for a looooong time.plewis00 - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
He said 60+ Hz, as in, more than 60Hz... and he is right, 75Hz or more is a relatively new thing.danbob999 - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
there was 75 Hz CRT monitors but most people didn't even bother setting the refresh rate to the max in their settings.Except those 144 Hz "gaming" monitor, nobody cares about more than 60 Hz on PC.
dotjaz - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
That's the dumbest thing I've ever seen. Most people set it to 85Hz you dumbass. CRT@60Hz is gonna kill your eyes.TheinsanegamerN - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
That's the dumbest thing I've ever seen. Most people dont KNOW what a refresh rate is, you dumbass. Believe it or not most people used CRTs at 60 HZ, why do you think flat panels caught on so quickly?danbob999 - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
exactly, most people didn't change the default. Those who think otherwise must have never left their basement.Spunjji - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
They really didn't. With the majority of graphics cards Windows would default to 1024x768 at 75Hz. It would only run at 60Hz if you specified a resolution that was too high for the RAMDAC to handle at a higher refresh rate.Flat panels caught on so quickly because people didn't like having a massive ~20Kg lump taking up most of their desk space, and they produced a reliably sharp image. You can take it from somebody who actually lived through that era.
koekkoe - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
Relatively new thing? I had a display capable of up to 120 Hz (depending on resolution) over 20 years ago.TheinsanegamerN - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
I had a 75 hz monitor back in 2001, and they existed before that on CRTs for years.Spunjji - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
Entirely wrong. I was using 75Hz+ monitors in the 1990s - they were generally referred to as "flicker free". Most 17" monitors could do 85Hz at XGA res, the better ones did 100Hz at XGA and 85Hz at 1280x960. 60Hz was gross and gave me eye-strain.60Hz+ is relatively new to *mainstream LCD monitors*.
dali71 - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
A typical tablet user would never drop over $700 on a tablet, just like a typical gamer would never drop over $1000 on a video card, so your point is?danbob999 - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
Even the typical power user doesn't need 120Hz. This tablet is not meant to be a special tool for specific gaming cases. It's a high end general purpose tablet, an iPad competitor.The very same people using this tablet are going to use a 60 Hz refresh rate on their computer. I am typing this on a 30 Hz refresh rate (my HDMI output is limited to 4k @ 30 Hz). It's a bit low but good enough for web browsing and typical job work (coding/email/office/whatever)
Spunjji - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
It has a stylus - the implied use case is for somebody who uses that, and having a high refresh rate dramatically improves the apparent responsiveness of the inking process. Apple already proved this out pretty successfully with the iPad Pro.Try inking at 30Hz, see where that gets you. The change from 60Hz to 120Hz doesn't feel quite so dramatic on the way up, but it sure feels that way on the way back down.
dotjaz - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
You are so dumb, most people don't have smartphones 10 years ago, how about you stop using one? It's a gimmick.brucethemoose - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
Smoothness and responsiveness.I have a 120hz phone, and I havent touched a mobile game in years, but I can never go back to 60 now. It feels like night and day.
brucethemoose - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
*Also, with an appropriate video player, theres less jitter at 120 than at 60. Its pretty dramatic in slow pans.Lolimaster - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
60hz is not a multiple of 24fps like you have on bd rips or anime.Meanwhile 120hz perfectly scales with 24-30-60fps content.
mrvco - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
If for no other reason to win the spec sheet wars. Regardless, 90Hz / 120Hz is the nu hawt for phones, so why not for tablets?Spunjji - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
For the typical tablet user, there's the typical 60Hz tablet.For someone who regularly uses a pen and/or wants a more "premium" experience, there are now 120Hz tablets. 👍
PeachNCream - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
Seems a lot less functionally flexible than a cheap Windows tablet for a much higher price with only a few fairly unimportant marketing bullet points (like screen refresh rate) to make a vague attempt at justification of the high cost. I guess there's the argument that Apple also will charge buyers quite a high cost for an iPad, so there is that, but really.Meaker10 - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
Much longer battery life on this compared to a Windows device. The display will be better in general too and it will be lighter.Speedfriend - Saturday, August 8, 2020 - link
I now have bought three iPads in the past year. The smaller pro, the latest air and the basic iPad. I find the battery life terrible. My kids get about 5-6 hours of watching downloaded videos and on the Pro I get the same of working on mobile data. And playing Minecraft even on the Pro is certainly not fluid at all, chews through battery and makes it very hot.Spunjji - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
I don't really understand premium Android tablets either. Back in the early days there was an argument for it, but the Google Play store has been a dead-zone for tablet apps for the best part of ten years now.nico_mach - Saturday, August 8, 2020 - link
It's a lot more flexible in terms of touch-compatible software. Kindle, games, comic readers, pen-based software, AR, most of that stuff is on Android but not on Windows.And I can't imagine choosing a cheap Windows tablet. Going below a Surface Go specs-wise is just asking for trouble except for a niche use.
Quantumz0d - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
Why is a tablet not having a 3.5mm jack ? And same design of iPad copy paste. Shame now how Android top OEM like Samsung is just copying Apple.trivik12 - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
they had this kind of design since the 1st tab s. https://tinyurl.com/y5e6bnlwonly thing that has changed is bezels have gotten thinner and that is happening with every successive release. Definitely not from ipad.
plewis00 - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
Absolutely crazy decision: on a phone *maybe* you can claim it's for space and waterproofing, on a tablet there is no excuse whatsoever, in fact it's used as a media consumption device a lot so even more reason. Also, with those flat sides it's obviously trying to ape the iPad Pro, all the previous ones have been mostly rounded edges with their own style (e.g. glass backs). I will give this a miss...Quantumz0d - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
Yep that flat side design is what caught my attention on the design, why does every single fucking OEM copy the goddamn Apple. Chinese have an obsession that is case since the beginning. But Samsung is doing it shamelessly and people are fine like that stupid dead pixel zone in notch / hole etc bs. Remove the 3.5mm jack ugh.The worst which hit me hard was not these, I can live without a 3.5mm jack if possible for a BL unlocked phone but the worst issue is Scoped Storage, it's down right castration of Android's advantage, that makes any folder the phone invisible to any app. You cannot even see them in file managers, sandboxed. You cannot copy, it creates a clone if you want to edit from Mediastore. And to share, just like iPhone from the app you have to do it and that is not there for all goddamned apps. That thing wrecked me hard. Using Android is useless now, what's the advantage ? default apps and launcher except them nothing is worth useful now same planned
Spunjji - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
"I only come here to talk about one thing, and it's Scoped Storage."🙄🙄🙄
imaheadcase - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
eh its not a copy at all, every tablet in existence follows the same flow design put out. Thats like saying every monitor copies the next one. Well no shit, its a monitor not a car that allows lots of different designs to make off of. lolimaheadcase - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
..and headphone jack is not needed. If you never heard of Bluetooth i don't know what to tell you..but you live under a rock.Lolimaster - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
Wired has way better quality + easy docking to an external sound system if needed.BT and jack can coexist till the end of the world, there's no need to.remove the physical interface. There were sub7mm phones with jack.
skavi - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
If the Tab S7+ supported Dolby Vision, it would make a great entertainment device, but as it is, its hard to justify over the iPad Pro.invinciblegod - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
I actually have both an iPad Pro 12.9 2017 and a Galaxy Tab S6 256GB. I, for the most part, prefer the Tab S6 in many ways but the Stylus is a major drawback.The stylus on the Tab S6, I realized, is the old Wacom that everyone used to use. However, I realized that for that style of stylus, the nub is a small pointer at the end of a somewhat thick body which means I cant use it at a more extreme angle. On the iPad, because the tip is tapered, I hold the tip at like a 30 degree angle while on the Tab S6 I Have to hold it at something more like a 60 degree angle, which to me is very annoying.
Xex360 - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
The pricing is stupid, you can get a proper PC for this price, a 2in1 actually with performance in a different league with a zen2 8 cores, full Windows and last but not least a headphone jack, which makes this tablet useless.rpg1966 - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
Ah yes, the classic "This doesn't fit my use case, so it can't be any good for anyone else in the world" line of "reasoning".Quantumz0d - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
Exactly man, but you know people are more into the garbage smartphone OSes rather than a Desktop system. That's why these companies get away with sealed shut batteries, 2 year max life, no 3.5mm jacks. The worst has already hit, Filesystem castration on Android, I just wish tech journos make people know what is coming, Scoped Storage read on it. It makes Android filesystem like iOS.Now it even makes less sense to own an Android device, what is the use, it doesn't have a jack, it cannot use the filesystem like a PC (Windows / Linux) it doesn't have any performance like a PC, stuck with the ecosystem on Apple and retarded blown up apps on Android.
imaheadcase - Saturday, August 22, 2020 - link
/rolls eyes. What the actual hell are you talking about. Everything you just said has made everyone else dumber in this comment section, and no point in that rambling incoherent response did you even come close to a rational though. Nothing you said means anything to a tablet user. No one complains of a sealed battery, 2 year max life wtf are you smoking, a headphone jack is not even remotely a reason to consider when buying something anymore. lolBenSkywalker - Friday, August 7, 2020 - link
You see the price on 2 in 1s that don't have garbage displays? I'm seeing over $2k anywhere I look.imaheadcase - Saturday, August 22, 2020 - link
DId you just compare a full fledged PC to a tablet? THEN complain about a headphone jack on a tablet that is sitting in front of you or on lap that a BT headset would of been better for in the first place? Why yes you did, and the world laughed at you.earthzero - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
If Microsoft wants to run Windows on ARM, why can't they make it as thin and light and attractive as this instead of a bulky form factor like the Surface Pro X?hanselltc - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
Why note 20 ultra when this thoughimaheadcase - Saturday, August 22, 2020 - link
Because note 20 ultra is a phone and not a tablet? pretty easy to understand.serendip - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
Getting close to Surface Pro X territory and that has LTE built-in. Android has few good tablet apps, you're better off getting a ChromeOS tablet.imaheadcase - Saturday, August 22, 2020 - link
Every app in chrome store works with tablet, they literally have apps that position them to work for them even if "not compatible". Its been that way for years now.yetanotherhuman - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
Camera bump? Oh dear. Won't sit flat on a surface.No Qi charging? Oh dear.
Still have my HP TouchPad because literally nothing else charges wirelessly like it.
imaheadcase - Saturday, August 22, 2020 - link
If you are basing a tablet purchase off a niche thing i don't know what to tell you other than you are going to be disappointed always.digiguy - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
I'll be buying a maxed out S7+ (5G, 256, 8GB RAM) with keyboard. This will be great for watching videos. Slightly larger videos than my 12.9in ipad pro but much lighter compared to ipad + smart coverBenSkywalker - Friday, August 7, 2020 - link
Not impressed with the LCD S, they should leave garbage displays to cheap tiers like the A series, or Onn or iPad pro- something where you clearly know you're getting cost cutting at the cost of quality.sheh - Friday, August 7, 2020 - link
Yeah, a shame. Tab S6 and earlier ones used OLED.imaheadcase - Saturday, August 22, 2020 - link
Well it is technically the "cheap" one of the two they have. I mean the bump to OLED is only like $200. If spending for a tablet anyways its a no brainer.abufrejoval - Tuesday, August 11, 2020 - link
I got an S5e early this year to replace my Nexus 10 (Samsung OEM), that was just getting a little too slow with what web sites are throwing at browsers these days.Main use was just browsing during meals, because keyboard are much more trouble to clean afterwards. Screen and performance was generally ok, even if it wasn't quite as snappy as my phone (835 at that point).
When the S6 like came out with a pen, I longed to see what my daughter could do with it, who will spend hours "painting" with a mouse on her PC but also with her finger on her phone.
But I couldn't quite imagine going back from the wonderful OLED sceen of the S5e just for a pen... So I got the S6 instead, which had both and could be had from Hungary at around €600 with LTE, really just a small increment over the S5e, which I could still return for a refund.
My daughter wasn't convinced but I was: It's way snappier than the S5e and in the mean-time the phone is on the same SoC, too, both 855.
I had to wait a long time to get a proper tablet at a price that wasn't punitive and I am very happy with the value. While I haven't travelled nearly as much in recent months thanks to Corona, it has still been very nice to have around for an evening in the hotel when I did. I got a cheap bluetooth keyboard and cover that does just fine in case I want to write some mails, even carry a small bluetooth mouse with it, so it can do corporate mail office stuff apart from surfing and video.
I've tried the DEX mode, it's rather good once you enable developer mode and do away with the silly restrictions, and I have tried various Ethernet adapters, even 2.5Gbit I think, which worked just fine. DEX ist limited to around 3k, not the full 4k of my main screen, which is a little sad, as that also powers the tablet. It's getting pretty close to being a full thin client in addition to being a tablet and low-power computer.
Lack of Windows hasn't bothered me, Windows on ARM is too much of an iJail clone to interest me, I'd rather like to see support for Linux desktop apps with Wayland and a Linux userland of choice in a chroot() or better container. I've used Linux Deploy to run a full Linux userland on other Androids and it's much more attractive as a typical developer/admin desktop than Windows. And then there is always RDP when a Windows desktop is a must.
I am glad it can be rooted, that will most likely extend its life-time significantly and give me at least part of the contral I require from every very personal computing device I own.
Samsung introductory prices always seem rather inflated to me, too, so I'd suggest y'all keep looking for the price drop, which is sure to come before the next generation rolls out.
One thing that irritated me very much initially is that upright scrolling gave me vertigo: As you scroll up, everything on the screen tilts a bit with the left side lagging behind the right; opposite effect as you scroll down. I went back to my Nexus 10 to check and observed the very same thing. All three devices, which offer vastly different CPU and GPU power actually exhibited that behavior.
Once I thought it through, it became evident that there is nothing to be done about it, except to design a tablet with dual display controllers, one for each orientation. Smooth scrolling that follows the frame buffer layout is easy enough to do, but smooth scrolling where you have to fully transpose every pixel requires one or two orders of magnitude more data to move and that's visible even with the latest and greatest silicon.
That is a little sad, because I actually like using the upright mode on PDFs and browsing, but knowing that it can't really be fixed, made it easier to bear. With an 8" variant I might prefer an upright base design, the way it's done for phones.
Archer_Legend - Wednesday, August 12, 2020 - link
It is a tablet, you may need to charge it while using for example to take lessons and then you have your wonderful 3.5mm headphones and... how the hell do you use them?I hate the fact that they removed the headphone jack, i passed onto wireless buds on my s10 plus but i still want the jack to be there wheter it is for gaming or I amn far away from home and i urgently need some cheap buds to plug in, or even to use my over the ear headphones to listen to mucis.
They removed the jack with the excuse of space, which is proven to be wrong, and here they cannot use that excuse.
Never going to buy something without a headphone jack, especially at those prices, they higher the price the more versatility the device should givve you. The removal of the jack is unacceptable altogether
imaheadcase - Saturday, August 22, 2020 - link
Then you are going to be in a huge disappointment because its pretty much going away forever in the coming years. Why the hell would you care anyways, every study has shown that the difference in sound quality is nill for users when comparing to headphone jacks. Its wireless, its simple to use.Seriously grow up.
Andrewsacar - Thursday, November 12, 2020 - link
Really nice tablet. It's great How technic is increasing and developing. I would buy galaxy tab s7 I need for watching movies do some work staff and gaming especially. Geometry dash game Will perform great on it.