Everyone and their bezels. The tech is what matters, this isn't a fashion show., Plus larger bezels protect the screen far better than these new edgeless designs. And these are intended for schools to hand out to kids. Kids drop things. Better a wide bezel to keep the screen from flexing than some high fashion design that will be broken in the first week.
Bezel sizes aren't about fashion--never have been. Complaints about bezel sizes are about this laptop could easily have 50% more screen space for either (A) more productivity of the student or (B) larger fonts for the visually impaired students.
I agree with the wide bezels needed for student's carelessness though.
Also, large bezels on a touchscreen 2-in-1 are preferred so you can hold onto the thing. That said, I'd love to see how these stack up to the sub-$300 Intel Pentium/Celeron devices.
The biggest complain with my Pixel2 was the screen rounded around the edges and just holding the thing was touching the screen. It constantly mistakes holding the phone as touching the screen. The pixel2 went way to far in bezel reduction. Touch screen devices meant to be held should have a minimum bezel that's sized large enough to accommodate holding the device, somewhere between the height of the first joint of a finger to an area big enough to accommodate an adults edge of palm.
I don't know what the ideal size is but I can tell you all the current devices are way too small. It's good to see real bezels coming back because they are essential to holding the device without touching the screen.
Yep, agree completely. After having used a Dell Win10 tablet for 3 years with relatively huge bezels, moving to a new 2-in-1 with hardly any bezels, I found myself annoyed at unable to hold the damn thing without clicking on some dumb hyperlink on the webpage I was viewing. I thought the small-bezel fad coincided with universally-adopted better palm rejection techniques, but I was way wrong. So either figure out how to fix it with smart software, or make those darn bezels bigger!
Those bezels aren't big enough to be impacting the display size in any meaningful way. Meanwhile, they provide better impact resistance, something to hold without activiting the display, and lower the costs.
These are most likely going to be wheeled into classrooms on mobile charging trolleys, not carried around much other than from the trolley to a desk.
They are tools, not fashion accesories.
Further, pupils with sight issues are going to require far bigger displays than the extra inch you could squeeze out of these.
And even consumer electronics have gone too far with the bezels in many cases.
look up the x63 thinkpad, there areloads of laptops pre 2010 with thin bezels, and they were built properly not thin cheap plastic if they really cared about protecting the screen, then it wouldnt flex under pressure, and it would have a latch so it doesnt open in your bag 16:9 aspect ratio has always been dumb, it should have been 16:10, and 3:2 is the best modern ratio imo
I'm using a Lenovo 100e right now. I don't think the bezels matter much at this size (11.6"), and it makes it feel sturdy. Thin bezels are more important for laptops like this that you might not even close for weeks: https://www.anandtech.com/show/15794/dell-revamps-...
share the insider knowledge, does 100e have a chance surviving in school ? What they replace takes ages to boot so its interesting if kids will finally get something else from lessons than loading screens.
I've noticed some unwanted resistance in the hinge occasionally, which leads me to believe that could be the weak point long term. Now I'm carrying the thing around with one hand, opened up, without dropping it. What will happen if kids drop it like that? Nothing great, I'm sure. But I do see $20-$25 protective cases designed for 100e on Amazon, which is probably worth it for a school environment.
The best point for me is USB-C charging. My last cheap Chromebook had a charger/tip that was almost unusable after 3-4 years. If the 100e charger dies, it should be easy to find a replacement. I got the 100e for about $70, which is only about 2-3x what a replacement charger for the old one was going to cost.
Maybe you should make a bezel-less laptop for cheap and see if there are any takers. Surely the cost of ownership (price and repairs) would best Lenovo since you are the obvious genius.
I remember the 1st iPad with fat ass bezel but people didn’t mind waiting in a long line just to buy it. Slim bezel is just a trend same as slim phone and slim laptop.
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I have a Lenovo 100e with a Mediatek MT8173C, which has been a champ since I got it in December. A dual-core Zen x86 version could be more useful, but maybe not by much.
A 9-Watt quad-core Zen 2 + RDNA2 Van Gogh APU in a 2-in-1 device like the Lenovo 300e would reel me in.
Van Gogh will have Zen2, RDNA2 and refined 7nm on it's side. If 12nm Zen+ GCN Vega can do dual-core 6W, surely Van Gogh can do better than dual-core at 9W
"the AMD 3015e and 3020e use the same lower case ‘e’ ending we last saw on a product line in 2011" according to wiki page 'e' was used for Stoney Ridge Ultra Mobile APUs, which were released as late as 2019 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_accelera...
New chips will probably be first gen Zen, considering above.
Standard mobile chips (15-45W) are one+ year behind desktop Ryzen CPUs and those "ultra mobile" ones are delayed even more. Until last September new Stoney Ridge based SKUs were premiering, only now they will move to Ryzen, probably they won't skip a generation and start with Zen1 arch.
Or keep the TDP the same and increase clock speed. Overall these low power Zen CPUs are in an interesting position. At these power & cost levels you will see CPUs from Intel based on Atom cores. A Zen core chip will have a much better user experience than an Atom powered device.
The 1W/Core figure is from 64-core Epyc reviews, which had all 64 cores running under 1W@3Ghz.
On silicon, there isn't much room to go above that for clockspeed because of leakage current, etc and still stay below 1W. There's a reason that ARM chips only clock up to ~2.5Ghz. x86 CPU's tend to be tuned more towards clockspeed if only because in x86 applications you are much less concerned about thermals (even in an ultralight, your cooling situation is orders of magnitude better than in a phone).
The more I look at the 3015e specs, the less I think it is a Dali like the 3020e. It says socket FT5 while Dali is FP5, FT# being for the "ultra-mobile" CPUs. Its part number is totally different too. But, it's 14nm so it can't be a Carizzo or Stoney Ridge. Something new?
These would be great chips for the next Surface Go or base model Surface Pro. The Pentium Gold has a rubbish GPU, low top speed and no turbo while the m3 or i3 chips are too expensive.
When I read the headline, I was hoping this would be an announcement for 2-core Ryzen 4000-series APUs. Zen2+Vega 7nm, sipping power. Would be a nice Intel "Core M" Y-series competitor for Win10 tablets
Yeah, I don't want to wait. Even though I have no need to buy another computing device, I still would love to see and benchmark a two-core Renoir with Vega, lol.
This is really what x86 needs to spur itself into what's a VERY serious life-or-death competition with ARM/RISC-V. C'mon Intel/AMD, take it to those limey bastards :-)
I'm guessing that Van Gogh will have up to 4 Zen 2 cores, better graphics, maybe even light ray-tracing capability if it's RDNA2, and AV1 hardware decode. That set of features would be impossible to ignore for me. At 9W TDP, it can be made fanless if the heatsink is good enough.
I wouldn't imagine that RT capability would be of any practical use whatsoever, even if it is RDNA 2 - although my understanding was that it'd use RDNA. We shall see!
I believe all of the current 100e laptops are Chromebooks. A Windows-based model would be a nice addition for those of us looking for a more flexible OS.
I would take an x230 chassis with the modern cpu. the io is rubbish, imagine having a laptop without vga output on a school laptop, i doubt they would be using hdmi displays
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yeeeeman - Tuesday, August 4, 2020 - link
The bezels are from year 2000.rrinker - Tuesday, August 4, 2020 - link
Everyone and their bezels. The tech is what matters, this isn't a fashion show., Plus larger bezels protect the screen far better than these new edgeless designs. And these are intended for schools to hand out to kids. Kids drop things. Better a wide bezel to keep the screen from flexing than some high fashion design that will be broken in the first week.dullard - Tuesday, August 4, 2020 - link
Bezel sizes aren't about fashion--never have been. Complaints about bezel sizes are about this laptop could easily have 50% more screen space for either (A) more productivity of the student or (B) larger fonts for the visually impaired students.I agree with the wide bezels needed for student's carelessness though.
dontlistentome - Tuesday, August 4, 2020 - link
50% more screen = more cost + more power = bigger battery = more cost again.nathanddrews - Tuesday, August 4, 2020 - link
Also, large bezels on a touchscreen 2-in-1 are preferred so you can hold onto the thing. That said, I'd love to see how these stack up to the sub-$300 Intel Pentium/Celeron devices.rahvin - Tuesday, August 4, 2020 - link
The biggest complain with my Pixel2 was the screen rounded around the edges and just holding the thing was touching the screen. It constantly mistakes holding the phone as touching the screen. The pixel2 went way to far in bezel reduction. Touch screen devices meant to be held should have a minimum bezel that's sized large enough to accommodate holding the device, somewhere between the height of the first joint of a finger to an area big enough to accommodate an adults edge of palm.I don't know what the ideal size is but I can tell you all the current devices are way too small. It's good to see real bezels coming back because they are essential to holding the device without touching the screen.
Farfolomew - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
Yep, agree completely. After having used a Dell Win10 tablet for 3 years with relatively huge bezels, moving to a new 2-in-1 with hardly any bezels, I found myself annoyed at unable to hold the damn thing without clicking on some dumb hyperlink on the webpage I was viewing. I thought the small-bezel fad coincided with universally-adopted better palm rejection techniques, but I was way wrong. So either figure out how to fix it with smart software, or make those darn bezels bigger!dullard - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
You do realize that the 100e with the larger bezels is not a touchscreen, right?nathanddrews - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
They look to be the same size.Samus - Tuesday, August 4, 2020 - link
Education-focused laptops have always had large bezels. It aids in impact resistance.Tams80 - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
Those bezels aren't big enough to be impacting the display size in any meaningful way. Meanwhile, they provide better impact resistance, something to hold without activiting the display, and lower the costs.These are most likely going to be wheeled into classrooms on mobile charging trolleys, not carried around much other than from the trolley to a desk.
They are tools, not fashion accesories.
Further, pupils with sight issues are going to require far bigger displays than the extra inch you could squeeze out of these.
And even consumer electronics have gone too far with the bezels in many cases.
TheinsanegamerN - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
Big bezls are more durable for students and allow for easy screen replacement. The techs who work on these (me) love these things.m3nato - Monday, February 8, 2021 - link
look up the x63 thinkpad, there areloads of laptops pre 2010 with thin bezels, and they were built properly not thin cheap plasticif they really cared about protecting the screen, then it wouldnt flex under pressure, and it would have a latch so it doesnt open in your bag
16:9 aspect ratio has always been dumb, it should have been 16:10, and 3:2 is the best modern ratio imo
nandnandnand - Tuesday, August 4, 2020 - link
I'm using a Lenovo 100e right now. I don't think the bezels matter much at this size (11.6"), and it makes it feel sturdy. Thin bezels are more important for laptops like this that you might not even close for weeks: https://www.anandtech.com/show/15794/dell-revamps-...deil - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
share the insider knowledge, does 100e have a chance surviving in school ? What they replace takes ages to boot so its interesting if kids will finally get something else from lessons than loading screens.nandnandnand - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
I've noticed some unwanted resistance in the hinge occasionally, which leads me to believe that could be the weak point long term. Now I'm carrying the thing around with one hand, opened up, without dropping it. What will happen if kids drop it like that? Nothing great, I'm sure. But I do see $20-$25 protective cases designed for 100e on Amazon, which is probably worth it for a school environment.The best point for me is USB-C charging. My last cheap Chromebook had a charger/tip that was almost unusable after 3-4 years. If the 100e charger dies, it should be easy to find a replacement. I got the 100e for about $70, which is only about 2-3x what a replacement charger for the old one was going to cost.
dotjaz - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
Maybe you should make a bezel-less laptop for cheap and see if there are any takers. Surely the cost of ownership (price and repairs) would best Lenovo since you are the obvious genius.sonny73n - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
I remember the 1st iPad with fat ass bezel but people didn’t mind waiting in a long line just to buy it. Slim bezel is just a trend same as slim phone and slim laptop.Spunjji - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
In the target market they're an asset.AgnesWilliams - Thursday, August 13, 2020 - link
I think it's a handy device for education. I'm a student and use laptop from dusk till dawn searching for new information or surfing Eduzaurus platform to find good essay example. I like that https://eduzaurus.com/free-essay-samples/informati... is a reliable resource. Information technologies can really ease the process of studying.hehatemeXX - Tuesday, August 4, 2020 - link
3015e looks very interestingnandnandnand - Tuesday, August 4, 2020 - link
I have a Lenovo 100e with a Mediatek MT8173C, which has been a champ since I got it in December. A dual-core Zen x86 version could be more useful, but maybe not by much.A 9-Watt quad-core Zen 2 + RDNA2 Van Gogh APU in a 2-in-1 device like the Lenovo 300e would reel me in.
Dragonstongue - Tuesday, August 4, 2020 - link
dual core hyperthreaded for the 6w the quads are 15wnandnandnand - Tuesday, August 4, 2020 - link
Van Gogh is an unannounced AMD product. I'm guessing it will top out at quad core, comparable to Intel's Ice Lake Y: https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/intel/cores/ice_lake_...PixyMisa - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
Yes, but these are 14nm parts. 7nm will do much better - when it arrives in the budget market, which hasn't happened yet.dotjaz - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
Van Gogh will have Zen2, RDNA2 and refined 7nm on it's side. If 12nm Zen+ GCN Vega can do dual-core 6W, surely Van Gogh can do better than dual-core at 9Wdromoxen - Tuesday, August 4, 2020 - link
As long as it can play PUBG or "0.5Month" , sorry I mean run edu software . What sort of price do the schools get them for ? $60 bux each?? maybeUnashamed_unoriginal_username_x86 - Tuesday, August 4, 2020 - link
- 6w 2/4- 4GB 1600MT (single channel?)
- Windows 10
- PUBG slayer
vithrell - Tuesday, August 4, 2020 - link
"the AMD 3015e and 3020e use the same lower case ‘e’ ending we last saw on a product line in 2011"according to wiki page 'e' was used for Stoney Ridge Ultra Mobile APUs, which were released as late as 2019
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_accelera...
New chips will probably be first gen Zen, considering above.
nandnandnand - Tuesday, August 4, 2020 - link
Is there any reason not to use 12nm Zen+? See: Ryzen 5 1600 AF.vithrell - Tuesday, August 4, 2020 - link
Standard mobile chips (15-45W) are one+ year behind desktop Ryzen CPUs and those "ultra mobile" ones are delayed even more. Until last September new Stoney Ridge based SKUs were premiering, only now they will move to Ryzen, probably they won't skip a generation and start with Zen1 arch.Luminar - Tuesday, August 4, 2020 - link
It's the other way around.Rudde - Tuesday, August 4, 2020 - link
The 'e' branded Stoney Ridge products were released in 2016 according to the wikipedia article.vithrell - Tuesday, August 4, 2020 - link
Oh yea, you are right, still not 2011.ceisserer - Tuesday, August 4, 2020 - link
What is the die size of Dali ... anyone?nandnandnand - Tuesday, August 4, 2020 - link
smol mm²Sahrin - Tuesday, August 4, 2020 - link
Given that Zen 2 has demonstrated the capability to run at 1W/core, I expect this part to hit 3-4W next year.AMD isn't getting nearly enough credit for using their process advantage to the fullest benefit in power consumption.
When Intel releases a product like this, the press furiously masturbates over how power efficient it is.
schujj07 - Tuesday, August 4, 2020 - link
Or keep the TDP the same and increase clock speed. Overall these low power Zen CPUs are in an interesting position. At these power & cost levels you will see CPUs from Intel based on Atom cores. A Zen core chip will have a much better user experience than an Atom powered device.Sahrin - Tuesday, August 4, 2020 - link
The 1W/Core figure is from 64-core Epyc reviews, which had all 64 cores running under 1W@3Ghz.On silicon, there isn't much room to go above that for clockspeed because of leakage current, etc and still stay below 1W. There's a reason that ARM chips only clock up to ~2.5Ghz. x86 CPU's tend to be tuned more towards clockspeed if only because in x86 applications you are much less concerned about thermals (even in an ultralight, your cooling situation is orders of magnitude better than in a phone).
serendip - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
The nearest competitor is an old m3 or a Pentium Gold using Kaby Lake cores. These new chips have better turbo performance and much better GPUs.Jorgp2 - Tuesday, August 4, 2020 - link
Lol, no.That 1w/per core is the result of many cores sharing the same uncore.
It doesn't mean a 2core Zen 2 SoC will take 2w.
Spunjji - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
No, but it does mean his supposition of a dual-core SoC at ~4W is probably quite reasonable.Personally I'd expect them to stick at the 6W TDP and reap the benefits of higher yields and higher clock speeds.
Sahrin - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
No, the 1W/core doesn’t include the north bridge at all. It’s just an expression of the efficiency of the core, ie, more efficient than Intel’s.Spunjji - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
Do you not agree that already having a dual-core 14nm CPU (plus northbridge) at 6W means that a dual-core 7nm CPU at 4W is at least feasible?xprojected - Tuesday, August 4, 2020 - link
The more I look at the 3015e specs, the less I think it is a Dali like the 3020e. It says socket FT5 while Dali is FP5, FT# being for the "ultra-mobile" CPUs. Its part number is totally different too. But, it's 14nm so it can't be a Carizzo or Stoney Ridge. Something new?xprojected - Tuesday, August 4, 2020 - link
OK, Google searching for AMD FT5 suggests it's called "Pollock".klatscho - Tuesday, August 4, 2020 - link
Hardwaretimes says you are correct -https://www.hardwaretimes.com/amd-pollock-5w-apus-...
Arbie - Tuesday, August 4, 2020 - link
And - it can probably run Crysis.ozzuneoj86 - Tuesday, August 4, 2020 - link
Would really like to see CPUs like these (preferably 7nm) built into inexpensive ITX boards for small project PCs, HTPCs, etc.Places that sell boards like that are still carrying Intel "J" series and AMD APUs... yuck.
Jorgp2 - Tuesday, August 4, 2020 - link
Why?This would perform similarly
ozzuneoj86 - Tuesday, August 4, 2020 - link
I would be very surprised if that was the case... Especially when considering Zen 2 7nm based models.Per thread performance compared to a 2018 Celeron J series would be much much higher. Comparing it to an old AMD APU is a joke.
nandnandnand - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
You want Van Gogh:https://videocardz.com/newz/speculation-amd-cezann...
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-cezanne-to-feature...
Newer Intel Atoms should be much better on CPU and GPU. Tremont, but especially Gracemont.
ozzuneoj86 - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
Interesting, this is the first I've seen of these chips. I hope AMD makes them affordable. Thanks for posting!ksec - Tuesday, August 4, 2020 - link
I wonder how much is the actual chip. I would like to see these inside NAS.serendip - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
These would be great chips for the next Surface Go or base model Surface Pro. The Pentium Gold has a rubbish GPU, low top speed and no turbo while the m3 or i3 chips are too expensive.Farfolomew - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
When I read the headline, I was hoping this would be an announcement for 2-core Ryzen 4000-series APUs. Zen2+Vega 7nm, sipping power. Would be a nice Intel "Core M" Y-series competitor for Win10 tabletsSpunjji - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
They'll be along some time next year, bringing something like OG Raven Ridge performance to the 6-9W TDP range.Farfolomew - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
Yeah, I don't want to wait. Even though I have no need to buy another computing device, I still would love to see and benchmark a two-core Renoir with Vega, lol.This is really what x86 needs to spur itself into what's a VERY serious life-or-death competition with ARM/RISC-V. C'mon Intel/AMD, take it to those limey bastards :-)
Foeketijn - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
Still waiting for an affordable passive mitx bga zen/+/2 with IPMI.Spunjji - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
If they can get Dali down to 6W, I'm even more interested that I was before in what Van Gogh will bring to this space.nandnandnand - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
I'm guessing that Van Gogh will have up to 4 Zen 2 cores, better graphics, maybe even light ray-tracing capability if it's RDNA2, and AV1 hardware decode. That set of features would be impossible to ignore for me. At 9W TDP, it can be made fanless if the heatsink is good enough.It looks like the Athlon Silver 3050e has been spotted: https://www.cnx-software.com/2020/08/05/thinkcentr...
Spunjji - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
I wouldn't imagine that RT capability would be of any practical use whatsoever, even if it is RDNA 2 - although my understanding was that it'd use RDNA. We shall see!PeachNCream - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
I believe all of the current 100e laptops are Chromebooks. A Windows-based model would be a nice addition for those of us looking for a more flexible OS.m3nato - Monday, February 8, 2021 - link
I would take an x230 chassis with the modern cpu.the io is rubbish, imagine having a laptop without vga output on a school laptop, i doubt they would be using hdmi displays
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