I'm not Samsung so I can't answer the 8/12GB. You're right about the 512GB black only in the US. I don't know why that is, it's available in the other colours in other regions.
its gonna be too expensive. But the base model does not make sense. No 120 hz or even 90hz for a premium device in 2020 is ridiculous. Plus its too big. I wish base model was closer to Note 10 size.
Pixel 4a is definitely winning the week in hype. I am thinking of upgrading to Pixel 5 though I like One UI(I have S10).
Note 20 Ultra EU market specs is a JOKE! Base model 128 GB NAND, Exynos 990 (LOL!), 4500 mAh battery, 120 Hz only available @ FHD+... What the hell is that? Is Samsung thinking we're stupid assholes in Europe or what?
Yes Exynos became a joke in last few years. Good thing they closed their development for in house m cores and will use only ARM designs also the deal with AMD to get RDNA architecture into their SoC seems like it will leave Adreno and Mali far behind. For the other stuff 4500 mAh battery is expected remember you have a pen that takes considerable space. Higher resolution at 120 hz I feel it pointless as it will consume too much power. But overall prices seem too steep.
Dont buy it. If the sales are abysmal they wont take Europe for granted. Anyway next year Exynos 1000 supposedly will be good with Cortex X1/78 cores. Let us wait and watch. I hope their 5nm process is also fixed as even Qualcomm is using Samsung 5nm for SD875.
I don't think that's true, TSMC already booked for Apple and Qualcomm, AMD Zen 4 / Ryzen 5000 will be done on the same node but launch 2021 Q4 or 2022. Apple is already making A14 on TSMC 5nm.
Nvidia is making Ampere on TSMC 7N and Samsung 8nm EUV, I don't think Samsung is going to get to 5nm that fast, they are behind TSMC.
While technically you're right it hasn't worked, historically it has never worked, except perhaps in the case of Sony's Xperia 1II which the brand seems to rely strongly on hardcores, hence my comment about nobody giving a shit about power users, seems that we're generally a small enough minority to be ignored completely.
There was a time when the Note series was the ultimate flagship, and it was exciting to see what they'd bring to the table each year. Now they are just rereleased S series with S pens, maybe with a speed bump and some features cut. The loss of the 48 MP telescopic lens is a huge disappointment, that was one of the nicest features of the S20 Ultra.
It lacks 3.5mm jack with ROG3 and it lacks an SD slot too. Plus the display is 1080P.
I think the flagship is dead its all garbage overpriced devices now, I will call iPhone a flagship. I don't buy Apple nor use it but looking at the copy paste trash formula even to software I refuse to see any Android phone as a Flagship now. Maybe Sony and LG come close due to the HW they have from Pro camera in videos and SD slots high quality Audio through analog ports, but they skimp on a few things LG - No in box earphones anymore, No 2K display, notch. Sony - Extravagant pricing for small battery, not 100% US LTE band compatible (ATT).
Unfortunately it lacks 3.5, but it has 2 C ports, which is a more viable alternative because one can now dedicate one to charging(I will continue to use magnetic, which means the charging port will remain plugged by a magnetic adapter), and the 3.5-C adapter is free to leave on the earphones(but the audio quality of adapters is a potential issue). I suspect 1080P isn't that much of an issue, but it definitely would depend on the specific subpixel layout which is not clear at the moment. SD slot...it already has 512GB as middle tier, I feel that's more than enough even for most power users. What was really sacrificed was the telephoto.
Wow maybe this year it's really time to go back to iPhone. Bizarro world when Apple is the value choice and the Android vendors are increasing prices..
True! iPhone 12 Pro 128 GB is expected to ship at $999. Which is absolutely great price considering how much do you get from every penny of this pricetag. The world is change'ing. ;) In a bad WAY.
$999 always has been an absurd price to pay for a phone, and it will remain so until inflation brings us to the point where it's worth 500 of today's dollars.
that is not confirmed. I am expecting a hike considering Qualcomm 5G modems are expensive. May be $50 hike. Plus Apple supposedly drop plans to use 120hz screen on Pro model due to the price. So its a bummer that iphone will stick to 60hz in 2020.
It certainly isn't in the name of reducing thickness. My $10 refurbished LG Rebel 4 ultra budget phone is thinner (7.9mm), lighter (140g), and has a headphone jack, a microSD slot, and a REMOVABLE battery via a back panel that you can open without tools. Funny how high end phones can't do any of those things for literally 100x the price.
I've finally come to terms that this fundamental assumption is likely quite wrong. NOBODY GIVES A SHIT ABOUT POWER USERS. There are too many sheep around to bother catering to people who actually care about functionality.
I'm willing to spend a lot and buy many accessories are quite high prices, plus remain fairly 'loyal' to a brsnd/company, but only if they deliver enough of what I want. And that simply just isn't as easy nor profitable as going after the form before function crowd.
I just wish they'd give us something (and more than the enterprise stuff that you have to go through enterprise (b2b) third parties to buy).
Me too, but from the looks of it this round I'm most likely settling on the ROGP3, it's the most all round package except for lack of a telephoto and need for a 3.5-C adapter, but at least there are two C ports, so I'll live with that, and the whole device is otherwise exceptional.
You don't like not having to buy e-waste headphones that are either dramatically lower quality or vastly more expensive, require charging, and become useless junk when the feeble batteries expire in 3 years' time?
In seriousness, it's a personal preference and I liked having the choice. Nothing stopped people using Bluetooth headphones on their devices before; this trend was entirely driven by Apple deciding to push their own accessories market.
I have several, some rather expensive Bluetooth earbuds and headphones. I still regularly end up missing the headphone socket on my Fold.
I dislike having even more things to charge (and therefore manage). I dislike the extra bulk of my Galaxy Buds compared to my Sony in-ears. I dislike needing to replace my Bluetooth headphones in a few years. I dislike the waste doing so will cause.
I do like Bluetooth headphones for some things. I like my Sony exercise ones. They are very convenient and are their own device. I only use my Galaxy Buds though because I got them with my phone for "free".
USB C is not as durable as 3.5mm. You can't have it rotate. You can't plug into it from any direction. It puts more strain on the device with the socket (my Fold's is already a little loose).
I'm curious to see how the US market will respond to these prices with so much of the workforce sidelined and struggling to afford to pay for food and housing. Sure there are still people that are employed and that will want a status symbol device, but they don't live in a bubble shielded from the decline of other sectors of the economy. The tendrils of suffering take time to reach out and those employed and not hunkering down to build some security while they still do have incomes may soon discover they have similarly reached a painful state where basic necessities are out of reach which makes a glam-girl phone like this something they regret and despise rather than display proudly.
been long time huawei users both my wife and I this year we went Samsung due to the issues with Play store etc she got a note 10+ 5g I got the S20Ultra, bad move both phones are buggy beyond belief and they chew battery's when on the better resolutions so buy a flagship but you cant use the features you pay for! Never again will I buy Samsung either back to Googles pixel or One
"been long time huawei users both my wife and I this year we went Samsung due to the issues with Play store etc she got a note 10+ 5g I got the S20Ultra, bad move both phones are buggy beyond belief and they chew battery's when on the better resolutions so buy a flagship but you cant use the features you pay for! Never again will I buy Samsung either back to Googles pixel or One"
Sad to hear that the phones are still buggy. I've avoided using Samsung phones after rushing to get a Galaxy S and Galaxy S2 in the past. Both are critically bugged, i.e. network always drops even in a location with good coverage. People kept blaming that its my telco and the place I am, but the same telco on the same spot with a phone from LG and Sony works perfectly fine. So I have been avoiding Samsung. So couple of years back, I decided to bite the bullet and get Galaxy S8 for my wife. In less than a year, the auto focus went bonkers and will fail to focus from time to time. So after 3 strikes, I've also striked Samsung off my list. In my experience, I feel Samsung phones are only nice on the outside.
I have owned two Samsung phones - the Note 2 and the S7. Both had excellent hardware for their tine, and both had absolute garbage plumbed into the OS. The interface was sluggish and ugly when compared with stock Android, and both phones would randomly burn through my battery whenever they felt like it. Better still, because I live in the EU, unofficial ROM support for them was ghastly. In both cases I ended up with a noticeably faster and more streamlined OS, but with the sacrifices of screwed-up colour calibration and scaling, along with random bugs like "sorry no Bluetooth today".
Their dramatic increases in prices from the S8 onward have given me all the reasons I need to avoid their products.
As a long time Samsung user (who's going to defect mainly due to their arrogance of losing the headphone jack) I say you probably don't know what you're doing with the UI. Samsung flagships shouldn't lag in their first year of use anyhow and any significant battery drop should register in Device Care, so check what's wrong and deal with it. Bugs are there but they're there in vanilla Android too, I haven't come across anything "beyond belief" in a device patched 3-4 times, that means a few months after release, again, you probably just don't know your way around the device. Regarding the high resolution I don't know because I don't use it, FHD on any 2K AMOLED is similar enough to native 2K due to lack of subpixels anyway. Frankly I can't tell the difference except when viewing something severely downsampled on that screen, that generally means photos with effective resolution beyond what the native camera app is capable of, or the best BDRip >8GB per title, but then I use my iPP to watch movies when on the go, a far better experience than a phone screen anyhow.
It's legit, because OneUI and Huawei's UI are both deeply modified versions of Android, and in different ways. Nobody's to blame for not knowing their way around one, but neither is the device to blame.
Note is a glorified S series phone now, a phablet with small pathetic battery, still no 5K maH. No SD card on base models. No 3.5mm jack still, what is this ? 4300Mah, fuck off Samsung. V60 has a 5K battery and a 3.5mm jack which is HiFi capable and next level Audio recording and playback with solid Pro controls for camera/audio.
The biggest flaw is the Exynos 990 being a disaster this time vs S10 series Exynos which was acceptable. Next worst thing is Google's awful Storage API Scoped Storage trash ruining Android FS making this device a glorified trash, all the advantage of Android by files is dead by Android 10+.
Man I just want to go to a ultra budget phone now, everything is a lost cause better get that Kai OS phone which has proper filesystem for copy paste and a 4G LTE radio with some basic email apps. Better battery, cheaper and not much to lose data as wont be storing anything on that.
Nokia 8110 4G is going to be my next phone for sure. What's the use of this Smartphone when it's becoming fucking dumber day by day and ridiculously expensive. Not going to support Apple at all.
It's worth pointing out that Android 11 will require Scoped Storage and that the mandate to use it comes from Google, not Samsung so pretty much all the handset manufacturers that use 11 and app developers plus users will have to navigate the change. Ire for that is more rightfully directed at Alphabet/Google than Samsung (though implementing it on Android 10 is optional so if Samsung is forcing it at this point then, yes it's on them though it won't be for much longer).
Google has made significant monetary investments in KaiOS, so anticipate some involvement from the company in future design and development decisions. Though the Nokia specifically to which you refer can at least be jailbroken at the moment and some other OS can be loaded if you're so inclined.
I have used KaiOS on an Alcatel Go Flip. It was sufficient, but the capability I really missed the most was navigation. I still own a standalone car GPS so I can get around that passably well and I hardly go anyplace I've never been to before - moreso now that I don't really go anywhere at all - but on very rare occasions, Google's creepy-as-fuck maps app has been useful. Some KaiOS devices can actually offer navigation though so check the specifics of your model to see if the KaiOS version is new enough and has their app store enabled (if that even matters to you). Results seem to vary by handset.
Damn you are right, I forgot about the navigation. Will have to check on this. Very sad. Yeah Google will start pulling it's tendrils soon in KaiOS, but it's budget I doubt they will castrate the storage in the name of bullshit fake security like they did on Android Scoped Storage. No website, none of them care about this. I see so many devs mentioning how bad it is, I saw it with my own experience. Kiwi browser used to download to my sd card now I have to navigate like an idiot to copy it to the sd card root. What a shitshow this Filesystem has become, it's all because of so many people at Google mostly higher ups (wahmen mostly) using those iPhones and making every single goddamned design and software change solely on that.
I wondered why you were so aggressively buttmad about this one issue, then I got to the "wahmen mostly" part of this post and realised it's because you're a buffoon.
Hey, if you want to turn a blind eye on how the marketing and HR dept in these corporations work, I cannot help you at all. Esp in California it's a big thing go and read on SB826. Realize who is a blind idiot gulping down all the koolaid junk. And the proof is in the pudding, go and watch the Android 10 demos and all the marketing, and look who is in charge.
If you've ever had to pay the so-called pink tax, you'll get it. Like women's jeans are so. much. more. expensive, never fit right (its even worse ordering them without trying them on thanks to shopping in person being something that you do now at risk of dying from infection), and have the worst, most useless pockets ever! Anyhow, women pay more for stuff in general, represent a larger share of the population by a small percentage, and have not historically been targeted by advertising efforts in the past. The change in marketing direction is good, buuuuuuut I'll admit I can understand that it might make some men feel alienated at the same time which is not at all the intent, I would think. Companies like Samsung just want to be able to charge a pink tax on their phones to nudge profit margins up a little further so they are appealing to the other demographic half.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and infer that when you say I'm "turn[ing] a blind eye to how the marketing and HR departments in these corporations work", you're referring to some sort of "Postmodern Neo-Marxism" crap? Regardless, you definitely a habit of making wildly off-base judgements about other people's abilities and motivations based on insufficient evidence, because I'm pretty familiar with how they work and pretty certain that has fuck-all to do with Scoped Storage.
In these circumstances I wonder why people like you never seemed keen to establish any causal links between the numerous historical missteps of major tech corporations and the fact that until recently they all measurably favoured middle-class white men over everyone else. Of course, now that they've begun the process of *not doing that anymore*, you're all grabbing your bells and sandwich-boards and proclaiming all ills to be the fault of your chosen scapegoats.
"of major tech corporations and the fact that until recently they all measurably favoured middle-class white men over everyone else" - Fantastic IQ display, go back from where you crawled. Twitter ? Reesetera ?
Firefox doesn't even care about their userbase even after Quantum. It was supposed to get back the people back on board after they kicked off XUL based UI changeable extensions/add-ons. But if you look at how crappy they are becoming esp with the URL bar and all the bloatware they add with opt-out and the new CEO of the project, Michelle Baker, she shat on the guy who was Mozilla's CEO, Gerv prior to her and now they even have add-ons like the one below in recommended, This is a milquetoast approach from me, FireFox is not the old project anymore, they also supported the latest politically correct nonsense rioting in U.S.
That company is rotting away...the marketshare is dropping like a rock and they are pursuiing bs like VPNs and other paid nonsense while blowing all the money out to the unions and other trash.
It's sad on how this company is changing, and Google also funds them heavily, so they inject a lot of Chrome changes into them even when the user base do not want or even remotely accept like the URL bar changes, etc.
Chrome is terrible too though. There are two different class action lawsuits against Chrome. One is for when it continues to collect data while running in incognito mode and another for data collection when a user doesn't provide Google credentials and permission to collect data. It's pretty private stuff to like history and session cookies.
There is at least one other class action open against Google over illegal wiretap abuses for always on tracking against the consent of users. Basically Google saying it doesn't collect data means it is still collecting data from people that don't consent. Trusting Google at this point is hard to do if they're already lying to everyone by saying they aren't gathering and storing information about someone when they really are.
As for your feelings about women and social causes, I'm not going to address those. It seems too emotionally charged to bother talking about.
I don't use Chrome / Chromium at all, it holds monopoly and I stopped using it because of the drastic changes in UX hiding information from URL bars, certs and other stuff along with exe scans etc, plus that enigne they use, meaning all Chromium projects.
Exynos 990 *again* ? At the same price at the Snapdragon *again* ? They can keep it, thanks. Just because I'm living in Europe doesn't mean I'm an idiot. This is insulting.
I have the Note 10+ and just holding out for this because I dropped the phone *once* and cracked the bottom left portion of the screen. (Frail as crap.) Touch screen no longer works... So rely on the S-Pen constantly.
Definitely going to get a better case rather than the free one that comes in the box for the Note 20 Ultra.
Being Australian, we get Exynos like you guys... But companies like Kogan will also stock Snapdragon variants which is what I have... Plus they end up cheaper as less of an "Australian Tax" is applied. Win win. Downside is warranty, Samsung doesn't want a bar of it.
Too expensive for a compromised device, no headphone jack and a bunch of dead pixels, no thanks. Kudos for Anandtech for highlighting the absence of headphone jack as it is a negative aspect of the device.
If you're a European smartphone buyer in the market for a premium device, just knowing that Samsung is using Europe as a dumping ground for its Exynos 990 should be infuriating! Samsung is shipping the Note 20s with SD 865+ in its home country (South Korea). That tells you all you need to know.
The base Note 20 is a joke. FHD+ 60Hz screen and gimped Exynos 990 at $999. Imagine paying flagship prices for upper mid-ranger specs. In fact, the Redmi K30 Pro / Poco F2 Pro is less than half the price ($450-500) and comes with a better CPU (SD865) and a bigger battery (4700mAh)
Oh look, they're too expensive again. What a surprise.
I bought a Note 2 back in the day, and remember being rather miffed at paying £530 for it. I can't help but be just a little bit mad at all the geniuses out there who made £1200 phones possible.
lol, Are samsung retarded? I have used many samsung products and to be honest I have never had an issue with them, I then switched to Huawei for the mate 20 pro and was so surprised to discover how much better they was especially the camera. obviously now its getting dated and I will be upgrading away from huawei as there is no play support. my 1st thought was go back to samsung and get the note 20 ultra but I then discover I will have to use the 990 CPU but , a camera set up that seams not as good as the s20 ultra but still pay a stupidly high price, I simply refuse to pay that price for such an inferior chipset compared to the 865. samsung is now a joke
I have a P30 pro.and bought the note 10+ 5G to replace it. What a POS, battery life and camera a joke. Sold it after a month and went back to the P30 Pro which is amazing. I would buy another Huawei if I could.
This is a yawner. They had plenty of time to get 120 hertz working at 1440p. They didn't. They added better cameras (still have to see about that.) Big woop, of course a newer phone has better cameras. The raised the price for the entry level Note+. They S-Pen has much better latency. Nice, but who needs that besides that hand full of people on the drawing app. This is not just a phone you should skip if you have the Note 10+, you should skip this even if you have the Note 9. I would even think hard about it if you are on the Note 8.
Then there is the plastic, low resolution, non-high refresh rate, Thousand Dollar Flagship phone. The Note 20. That's just Samsung slapping you in the face. With their willy.
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loki1944 - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
No thanks, I'm done with worse memory and storage management than like...windows 95.TheinsanegamerN - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
It's gonna get a lot worse witn adroid 11 and scoped storage.athreyaindyan - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
1.you are showing 8K recording in note 20, not in the note 20 ultra. isnt that a typo?2.also why is it that the LTE version comes with 8GB vs 5G version with 12GB?
3.lastly no mystic bronze for 512GB in ultra?
Andrei Frumusanu - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
Both have 8K recording, but with different camera modules, so it's listed separately in the tables.athreyaindyan - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
Thanks. Can you pls check out question 2 and 3? if you go to the samsung US website and try to pre order 512GB version it only shows black.Andrei Frumusanu - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
I'm not Samsung so I can't answer the 8/12GB. You're right about the 512GB black only in the US. I don't know why that is, it's available in the other colours in other regions.trivik12 - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
its gonna be too expensive. But the base model does not make sense. No 120 hz or even 90hz for a premium device in 2020 is ridiculous. Plus its too big. I wish base model was closer to Note 10 size.Pixel 4a is definitely winning the week in hype. I am thinking of upgrading to Pixel 5 though I like One UI(I have S10).
nierd - Saturday, August 8, 2020 - link
The base model is almost the exact same size at the Note 10 - it's like .03 inches wider - the screen is bigger due to no bezel.SR-71 - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
Note 20 Ultra EU market specs is a JOKE! Base model 128 GB NAND, Exynos 990 (LOL!), 4500 mAh battery, 120 Hz only available @ FHD+... What the hell is that? Is Samsung thinking we're stupid assholes in Europe or what?Eliadbu - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
Yes Exynos became a joke in last few years. Good thing they closed their development for in house m cores and will use only ARM designs also the deal with AMD to get RDNA architecture into their SoC seems like it will leave Adreno and Mali far behind. For the other stuff4500 mAh battery is expected remember you have a pen that takes considerable space. Higher resolution at 120 hz I feel it pointless as it will consume too much power. But overall prices seem too steep.
SR-71 - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
No to mention that N20 Ultra 5G does not have MICRO SD SLOT! Seriously! Note 20 Ultra is a killing joke.trivik12 - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
Dont buy it. If the sales are abysmal they wont take Europe for granted. Anyway next year Exynos 1000 supposedly will be good with Cortex X1/78 cores. Let us wait and watch. I hope their 5nm process is also fixed as even Qualcomm is using Samsung 5nm for SD875.eastcoast_pete - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
Do you have a source for the SD 875 being manufactured by Samsung in 5 nm? I haven't seen that announced.Quantumz0d - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
I don't think that's true, TSMC already booked for Apple and Qualcomm, AMD Zen 4 / Ryzen 5000 will be done on the same node but launch 2021 Q4 or 2022. Apple is already making A14 on TSMC 5nm.Nvidia is making Ampere on TSMC 7N and Samsung 8nm EUV, I don't think Samsung is going to get to 5nm that fast, they are behind TSMC.
trivik12 - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
it was rumored previously. But they have lost the deal because as usual they are having issues.https://www.androidcentral.com/qualcomm-reportedly...
s.yu - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
While technically you're right it hasn't worked, historically it has never worked, except perhaps in the case of Sony's Xperia 1II which the brand seems to rely strongly on hardcores, hence my comment about nobody giving a shit about power users, seems that we're generally a small enough minority to be ignored completely.Imran-Shaikh - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
Performance wise Rog 3 will crush the Exynos versionwrkingclass_hero - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
There was a time when the Note series was the ultimate flagship, and it was exciting to see what they'd bring to the table each year. Now they are just rereleased S series with S pens, maybe with a speed bump and some features cut.The loss of the 48 MP telescopic lens is a huge disappointment, that was one of the nicest features of the S20 Ultra.
s.yu - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
These days the ROGP is closer to the ultimate flagship.Quantumz0d - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
It lacks 3.5mm jack with ROG3 and it lacks an SD slot too. Plus the display is 1080P.I think the flagship is dead its all garbage overpriced devices now, I will call iPhone a flagship. I don't buy Apple nor use it but looking at the copy paste trash formula even to software I refuse to see any Android phone as a Flagship now. Maybe Sony and LG come close due to the HW they have from Pro camera in videos and SD slots high quality Audio through analog ports, but they skimp on a few things LG - No in box earphones anymore, No 2K display, notch. Sony - Extravagant pricing for small battery, not 100% US LTE band compatible (ATT).
s.yu - Sunday, August 9, 2020 - link
Unfortunately it lacks 3.5, but it has 2 C ports, which is a more viable alternative because one can now dedicate one to charging(I will continue to use magnetic, which means the charging port will remain plugged by a magnetic adapter), and the 3.5-C adapter is free to leave on the earphones(but the audio quality of adapters is a potential issue).I suspect 1080P isn't that much of an issue, but it definitely would depend on the specific subpixel layout which is not clear at the moment.
SD slot...it already has 512GB as middle tier, I feel that's more than enough even for most power users.
What was really sacrificed was the telephoto.
zer0hour - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
Wow maybe this year it's really time to go back to iPhone. Bizarro world when Apple is the value choice and the Android vendors are increasing prices..SR-71 - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
True! iPhone 12 Pro 128 GB is expected to ship at $999. Which is absolutely great price considering how much do you get from every penny of this pricetag. The world is change'ing. ;) In a bad WAY.Spunjji - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
$999 always has been an absurd price to pay for a phone, and it will remain so until inflation brings us to the point where it's worth 500 of today's dollars.trivik12 - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
that is not confirmed. I am expecting a hike considering Qualcomm 5G modems are expensive. May be $50 hike. Plus Apple supposedly drop plans to use 120hz screen on Pro model due to the price. So its a bummer that iphone will stick to 60hz in 2020.Speedfriend - Saturday, August 8, 2020 - link
No price hike because they will not be including any adaptor or charging cable in the box. Want fast charging, be prepared to pay $50 extraTams80 - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
If the Ultra is for "powerusers", then give me a damn headphone jack socket!Listened to customers my arse.
PeachNCream - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
It certainly isn't in the name of reducing thickness. My $10 refurbished LG Rebel 4 ultra budget phone is thinner (7.9mm), lighter (140g), and has a headphone jack, a microSD slot, and a REMOVABLE battery via a back panel that you can open without tools. Funny how high end phones can't do any of those things for literally 100x the price.s.yu - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
I've finally come to terms that this fundamental assumption is likely quite wrong.NOBODY GIVES A SHIT ABOUT POWER USERS.
There are too many sheep around to bother catering to people who actually care about functionality.
Tams80 - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
We're certainly not as profitable.I'm willing to spend a lot and buy many accessories are quite high prices, plus remain fairly 'loyal' to a brsnd/company, but only if they deliver enough of what I want. And that simply just isn't as easy nor profitable as going after the form before function crowd.
I just wish they'd give us something (and more than the enterprise stuff that you have to go through enterprise (b2b) third parties to buy).
s.yu - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
Me too, but from the looks of it this round I'm most likely settling on the ROGP3, it's the most all round package except for lack of a telephoto and need for a 3.5-C adapter, but at least there are two C ports, so I'll live with that, and the whole device is otherwise exceptional.poohbear - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
a headphone jack in 2020? You don't like bluetooth and being wireless?Spunjji - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
You don't like not having to buy e-waste headphones that are either dramatically lower quality or vastly more expensive, require charging, and become useless junk when the feeble batteries expire in 3 years' time?In seriousness, it's a personal preference and I liked having the choice. Nothing stopped people using Bluetooth headphones on their devices before; this trend was entirely driven by Apple deciding to push their own accessories market.
Tams80 - Sunday, August 9, 2020 - link
I have several, some rather expensive Bluetooth earbuds and headphones. I still regularly end up missing the headphone socket on my Fold.I dislike having even more things to charge (and therefore manage). I dislike the extra bulk of my Galaxy Buds compared to my Sony in-ears. I dislike needing to replace my Bluetooth headphones in a few years. I dislike the waste doing so will cause.
I do like Bluetooth headphones for some things. I like my Sony exercise ones. They are very convenient and are their own device. I only use my Galaxy Buds though because I got them with my phone for "free".
USB C is not as durable as 3.5mm. You can't have it rotate. You can't plug into it from any direction. It puts more strain on the device with the socket (my Fold's is already a little loose).
Just sell me a damn 3.5mm socket!
s.yu - Sunday, August 9, 2020 - link
...so true.Revv233 - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
Yup!PeachNCream - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
I'm curious to see how the US market will respond to these prices with so much of the workforce sidelined and struggling to afford to pay for food and housing. Sure there are still people that are employed and that will want a status symbol device, but they don't live in a bubble shielded from the decline of other sectors of the economy. The tendrils of suffering take time to reach out and those employed and not hunkering down to build some security while they still do have incomes may soon discover they have similarly reached a painful state where basic necessities are out of reach which makes a glam-girl phone like this something they regret and despise rather than display proudly.Spunjji - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
You'd hope so, but there's plenty of fiddling left to do while Rome burns in the background.alufan - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
been long time huawei users both my wife and I this year we went Samsung due to the issues with Play store etc she got a note 10+ 5g I got the S20Ultra, bad move both phones are buggy beyond belief and they chew battery's when on the better resolutions so buy a flagship but you cant use the features you pay for!Never again will I buy Samsung either back to Googles pixel or One
Tams80 - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
I mean, to be fair that just sounds like you're mainly using the more advanced features that require power.watzupken - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
"been long time huawei users both my wife and I this year we went Samsung due to the issues with Play store etc she got a note 10+ 5g I got the S20Ultra, bad move both phones are buggy beyond belief and they chew battery's when on the better resolutions so buy a flagship but you cant use the features you pay for!Never again will I buy Samsung either back to Googles pixel or One"
Sad to hear that the phones are still buggy. I've avoided using Samsung phones after rushing to get a Galaxy S and Galaxy S2 in the past. Both are critically bugged, i.e. network always drops even in a location with good coverage. People kept blaming that its my telco and the place I am, but the same telco on the same spot with a phone from LG and Sony works perfectly fine. So I have been avoiding Samsung. So couple of years back, I decided to bite the bullet and get Galaxy S8 for my wife. In less than a year, the auto focus went bonkers and will fail to focus from time to time. So after 3 strikes, I've also striked Samsung off my list. In my experience, I feel Samsung phones are only nice on the outside.
Spunjji - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
I have owned two Samsung phones - the Note 2 and the S7. Both had excellent hardware for their tine, and both had absolute garbage plumbed into the OS. The interface was sluggish and ugly when compared with stock Android, and both phones would randomly burn through my battery whenever they felt like it. Better still, because I live in the EU, unofficial ROM support for them was ghastly. In both cases I ended up with a noticeably faster and more streamlined OS, but with the sacrifices of screwed-up colour calibration and scaling, along with random bugs like "sorry no Bluetooth today".Their dramatic increases in prices from the S8 onward have given me all the reasons I need to avoid their products.
s.yu - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
As a long time Samsung user (who's going to defect mainly due to their arrogance of losing the headphone jack) I say you probably don't know what you're doing with the UI. Samsung flagships shouldn't lag in their first year of use anyhow and any significant battery drop should register in Device Care, so check what's wrong and deal with it. Bugs are there but they're there in vanilla Android too, I haven't come across anything "beyond belief" in a device patched 3-4 times, that means a few months after release, again, you probably just don't know your way around the device. Regarding the high resolution I don't know because I don't use it, FHD on any 2K AMOLED is similar enough to native 2K due to lack of subpixels anyway. Frankly I can't tell the difference except when viewing something severely downsampled on that screen, that generally means photos with effective resolution beyond what the native camera app is capable of, or the best BDRip >8GB per title, but then I use my iPP to watch movies when on the go, a far better experience than a phone screen anyhow.Spunjji - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
"You're holding it wrong" finally made it out of the Apple camp 😂s.yu - Sunday, August 9, 2020 - link
It's legit, because OneUI and Huawei's UI are both deeply modified versions of Android, and in different ways. Nobody's to blame for not knowing their way around one, but neither is the device to blame.Quantumz0d - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
Note is a glorified S series phone now, a phablet with small pathetic battery, still no 5K maH. No SD card on base models. No 3.5mm jack still, what is this ? 4300Mah, fuck off Samsung. V60 has a 5K battery and a 3.5mm jack which is HiFi capable and next level Audio recording and playback with solid Pro controls for camera/audio.The biggest flaw is the Exynos 990 being a disaster this time vs S10 series Exynos which was acceptable. Next worst thing is Google's awful Storage API Scoped Storage trash ruining Android FS making this device a glorified trash, all the advantage of Android by files is dead by Android 10+.
Man I just want to go to a ultra budget phone now, everything is a lost cause better get that Kai OS phone which has proper filesystem for copy paste and a 4G LTE radio with some basic email apps. Better battery, cheaper and not much to lose data as wont be storing anything on that.
Quantumz0d - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
Nokia 8110 4G is going to be my next phone for sure. What's the use of this Smartphone when it's becoming fucking dumber day by day and ridiculously expensive. Not going to support Apple at all.PeachNCream - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
It's worth pointing out that Android 11 will require Scoped Storage and that the mandate to use it comes from Google, not Samsung so pretty much all the handset manufacturers that use 11 and app developers plus users will have to navigate the change. Ire for that is more rightfully directed at Alphabet/Google than Samsung (though implementing it on Android 10 is optional so if Samsung is forcing it at this point then, yes it's on them though it won't be for much longer).Google has made significant monetary investments in KaiOS, so anticipate some involvement from the company in future design and development decisions. Though the Nokia specifically to which you refer can at least be jailbroken at the moment and some other OS can be loaded if you're so inclined.
I have used KaiOS on an Alcatel Go Flip. It was sufficient, but the capability I really missed the most was navigation. I still own a standalone car GPS so I can get around that passably well and I hardly go anyplace I've never been to before - moreso now that I don't really go anywhere at all - but on very rare occasions, Google's creepy-as-fuck maps app has been useful. Some KaiOS devices can actually offer navigation though so check the specifics of your model to see if the KaiOS version is new enough and has their app store enabled (if that even matters to you). Results seem to vary by handset.
Quantumz0d - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
Damn you are right, I forgot about the navigation. Will have to check on this. Very sad. Yeah Google will start pulling it's tendrils soon in KaiOS, but it's budget I doubt they will castrate the storage in the name of bullshit fake security like they did on Android Scoped Storage. No website, none of them care about this. I see so many devs mentioning how bad it is, I saw it with my own experience. Kiwi browser used to download to my sd card now I have to navigate like an idiot to copy it to the sd card root. What a shitshow this Filesystem has become, it's all because of so many people at Google mostly higher ups (wahmen mostly) using those iPhones and making every single goddamned design and software change solely on that.Spunjji - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
I wondered why you were so aggressively buttmad about this one issue, then I got to the "wahmen mostly" part of this post and realised it's because you're a buffoon.Quantumz0d - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
Hey, if you want to turn a blind eye on how the marketing and HR dept in these corporations work, I cannot help you at all. Esp in California it's a big thing go and read on SB826. Realize who is a blind idiot gulping down all the koolaid junk. And the proof is in the pudding, go and watch the Android 10 demos and all the marketing, and look who is in charge.PeachNCream - Friday, August 7, 2020 - link
If you've ever had to pay the so-called pink tax, you'll get it. Like women's jeans are so. much. more. expensive, never fit right (its even worse ordering them without trying them on thanks to shopping in person being something that you do now at risk of dying from infection), and have the worst, most useless pockets ever! Anyhow, women pay more for stuff in general, represent a larger share of the population by a small percentage, and have not historically been targeted by advertising efforts in the past. The change in marketing direction is good, buuuuuuut I'll admit I can understand that it might make some men feel alienated at the same time which is not at all the intent, I would think. Companies like Samsung just want to be able to charge a pink tax on their phones to nudge profit margins up a little further so they are appealing to the other demographic half.Spunjji - Friday, August 7, 2020 - link
I'm gonna go out on a limb and infer that when you say I'm "turn[ing] a blind eye to how the marketing and HR departments in these corporations work", you're referring to some sort of "Postmodern Neo-Marxism" crap? Regardless, you definitely a habit of making wildly off-base judgements about other people's abilities and motivations based on insufficient evidence, because I'm pretty familiar with how they work and pretty certain that has fuck-all to do with Scoped Storage.In these circumstances I wonder why people like you never seemed keen to establish any causal links between the numerous historical missteps of major tech corporations and the fact that until recently they all measurably favoured middle-class white men over everyone else. Of course, now that they've begun the process of *not doing that anymore*, you're all grabbing your bells and sandwich-boards and proclaiming all ills to be the fault of your chosen scapegoats.
Such rational, so logic, wow.
Quantumz0d - Friday, August 7, 2020 - link
"of major tech corporations and the fact that until recently they all measurably favoured middle-class white men over everyone else" - Fantastic IQ display, go back from where you crawled. Twitter ? Reesetera ?The Garden Variety - Monday, August 10, 2020 - link
(standing ovation)TheinsanegamerN - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
Really wish firefox hadnt dumped firefox OS nad has instead maintained it for use on android phones.Quantumz0d - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
Firefox doesn't even care about their userbase even after Quantum. It was supposed to get back the people back on board after they kicked off XUL based UI changeable extensions/add-ons. But if you look at how crappy they are becoming esp with the URL bar and all the bloatware they add with opt-out and the new CEO of the project, Michelle Baker, she shat on the guy who was Mozilla's CEO, Gerv prior to her and now they even have add-ons like the one below in recommended, This is a milquetoast approach from me, FireFox is not the old project anymore, they also supported the latest politically correct nonsense rioting in U.S.https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/b-i...
That company is rotting away...the marketshare is dropping like a rock and they are pursuiing bs like VPNs and other paid nonsense while blowing all the money out to the unions and other trash.
It's sad on how this company is changing, and Google also funds them heavily, so they inject a lot of Chrome changes into them even when the user base do not want or even remotely accept like the URL bar changes, etc.
Quantumz0d - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/12175177039...^Marketshare to compensation
Shat campaign - https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2018/08/07/in-memo...
PeachNCream - Saturday, August 8, 2020 - link
Chrome is terrible too though. There are two different class action lawsuits against Chrome. One is for when it continues to collect data while running in incognito mode and another for data collection when a user doesn't provide Google credentials and permission to collect data. It's pretty private stuff to like history and session cookies.https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/science-techn...
https://www.classaction.org/news/class-action-clai...
There is at least one other class action open against Google over illegal wiretap abuses for always on tracking against the consent of users. Basically Google saying it doesn't collect data means it is still collecting data from people that don't consent. Trusting Google at this point is hard to do if they're already lying to everyone by saying they aren't gathering and storing information about someone when they really are.
As for your feelings about women and social causes, I'm not going to address those. It seems too emotionally charged to bother talking about.
Quantumz0d - Saturday, August 8, 2020 - link
I don't use Chrome / Chromium at all, it holds monopoly and I stopped using it because of the drastic changes in UX hiding information from URL bars, certs and other stuff along with exe scans etc, plus that enigne they use, meaning all Chromium projects.kkilobyte - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
Exynos 990 *again* ? At the same price at the Snapdragon *again* ? They can keep it, thanks. Just because I'm living in Europe doesn't mean I'm an idiot. This is insulting.StevoLincolnite - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
I have the Note 10+ and just holding out for this because I dropped the phone *once* and cracked the bottom left portion of the screen. (Frail as crap.)Touch screen no longer works... So rely on the S-Pen constantly.
Definitely going to get a better case rather than the free one that comes in the box for the Note 20 Ultra.
Being Australian, we get Exynos like you guys... But companies like Kogan will also stock Snapdragon variants which is what I have... Plus they end up cheaper as less of an "Australian Tax" is applied. Win win.
Downside is warranty, Samsung doesn't want a bar of it.
Maurizio - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
Exynos 990 ? I am european, I am sick of second choice chipset. My money is as good as others. Samsung competitors will get it.Xex360 - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
Too expensive for a compromised device, no headphone jack and a bunch of dead pixels, no thanks.Kudos for Anandtech for highlighting the absence of headphone jack as it is a negative aspect of the device.
s.yu - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
Price bump through downgradeSmall battery
Audacity to continue using the Exynos 990
Thoroughly disappointing.
eastcoast_pete - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
If you're a European smartphone buyer in the market for a premium device, just knowing that Samsung is using Europe as a dumping ground for its Exynos 990 should be infuriating! Samsung is shipping the Note 20s with SD 865+ in its home country (South Korea). That tells you all you need to know.Retycint - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
The base Note 20 is a joke. FHD+ 60Hz screen and gimped Exynos 990 at $999. Imagine paying flagship prices for upper mid-ranger specs. In fact, the Redmi K30 Pro / Poco F2 Pro is less than half the price ($450-500) and comes with a better CPU (SD865) and a bigger battery (4700mAh)poohbear - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
$1300 for their flagship phone? Last year we balked @ $1000! What's next year's price? $1600? This is getting ridiculous.TheinsanegamerN - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
As long as sheep keep buying prices will keep going up.Spunjji - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
Oh look, they're too expensive again. What a surprise.I bought a Note 2 back in the day, and remember being rather miffed at paying £530 for it. I can't help but be just a little bit mad at all the geniuses out there who made £1200 phones possible.
MYSTERYMAN8 - Thursday, August 6, 2020 - link
lol, Are samsung retarded? I have used many samsung products and to be honest I have never had an issue with them, I then switched to Huawei for the mate 20 pro and was so surprised to discover how much better they was especially the camera. obviously now its getting dated and I will be upgrading away from huawei as there is no play support. my 1st thought was go back to samsung and get the note 20 ultra but I then discover I will have to use the 990 CPU but , a camera set up that seams not as good as the s20 ultra but still pay a stupidly high price, I simply refuse to pay that price for such an inferior chipset compared to the 865. samsung is now a jokeSpeedfriend - Saturday, August 8, 2020 - link
I have a P30 pro.and bought the note 10+ 5G to replace it. What a POS, battery life and camera a joke. Sold it after a month and went back to the P30 Pro which is amazing. I would buy another Huawei if I could.Ayush676 - Saturday, August 8, 2020 - link
It seems Samsung is just launching phones to show..because at these price it is not at all affordable and the features are also not worth this cost.NitinYadav251096 - Saturday, August 8, 2020 - link
I wonder if they are even paying attention on their degrading Exynos processors. This was necessary.MarioGA - Saturday, August 8, 2020 - link
This is a yawner. They had plenty of time to get 120 hertz working at 1440p. They didn't. They added better cameras (still have to see about that.) Big woop, of course a newer phone has better cameras. The raised the price for the entry level Note+. They S-Pen has much better latency. Nice, but who needs that besides that hand full of people on the drawing app. This is not just a phone you should skip if you have the Note 10+, you should skip this even if you have the Note 9. I would even think hard about it if you are on the Note 8.Then there is the plastic, low resolution, non-high refresh rate, Thousand Dollar Flagship phone. The Note 20. That's just Samsung slapping you in the face. With their willy.
Farwalker2u - Sunday, August 9, 2020 - link
I was hoping for the battery to be a graphene battery to enhance its longevity.mazz7 - Sunday, August 9, 2020 - link
My country get exynos, hell no way I'm gonna buy this shit...