Every couple of years I switch between Mac and Thinkpad but this new charger (not a USB-C), and speaker are just too many compromises to get that keyboard, this time. I may actually look into Dell vs Apple this time.
Sadly, adding the dedicated video card pushes most power delivery outside of the USB-C spec. Anything north of 90W will likely require a non-standard power connection to deliver the needed amperage.
I believe it is actually 130W. Just because the USB-IF has placed an artificial limit, does not mean they cannot exceed it. If the charger advertises a 20V 6.5A profile on top of the standard 20V 5.0A standard profile, and the laptop is programmed to accept that, then it will work. The charger will be using a captive cable so that you cannot use a standard USB-C to USB-C cable which might not be good for the additional power. Dell must have checked the USB-C receptacles and plugs which they use and determined them to be safe for 6.5A.
I am hoping the USB-IF will add a 48V 5A mode (240W). 48V is considered to be the upper limit of "safe" low voltage. It happens to be the voltage of phantom power used to power condenser microphones.
They deliver power out of spec. They did that since the Dell XPS 15 9550 with their USB-C dock. It's capable of delivering 130W to the laptop. The CPU's TDP is 45W and the GPU's TDP is 90W, so the laptop can and will draw more than 100W given thermal constraints do not throttle it down to below that.
I know it isn't optimal as an answer, but what of external displays? A system like this is not likely to be used much away from a fixed desk location anyway so a monitor may not be a significant liability.
why would anyone spending extra money on a fancy laptop if it can only be used at home? just buy a more powerful desktop for less money and you're done if that's the situation.
It's apparent from the OP that desktop hardware is not a factor in the discussion so my response was based on keeping with the topic at hand rather than diverting to desktop form factor equipment - something that is generally on the decline anyway among both business and home users.
Before you get upset by that, the dominance of laptop sales in terms of numbers over desktop hardware is observational. I am not attempting to invalidate your claim that you can buy more power for less. In fact, I agree with that observation. It just is clearly not a relevant factor under consideration at this point so there is no reason to advocate for that alternative.
i think that the point is that this machine is clearly "about the screen" as a device. the rarity of good OLED panels on laptops in general is enough to make the claim that it's the *only* reason for some people to consider buying it. but then the aspect ratio of the screen sucks for doing work on. especially at 15", 16:9 doesn't leave you with much vertical screen real estate. it sucks.
so if the only answer (optimal or not) is to just not use the screen at all, then why bother making the choice to buy this laptop? because of brand loyalty to lenovo? i suppose it comes down to what you value most. not for me though. i'll never willingly buy/use a 16:9 laptop as long as there are other good options.
I can't agree with you enough. 16:9 is a stupid, miserable screen ratio for a lot of work tasks that would otherwise benefit from something taller. However, it's been long enough I admit I've gotten used to it and have been working around it for years so I don't really notice it much anymore except when I see an older 16:10 or 4:3 display panel. I do get where you're coming from though. I think a lot of these Lenovo laptops will end up as business purchases and the people that use them won't have much of a say in what they get.
My work issued laptop is a ThinkPad P1 Gen2 (previous model to this one). I was excited about the 4K OLED screen, but it turns out it kinda sucks. Colors (especially red) are way too saturated (I’m sure it could be calibrated but when I tried to use the Windows 10 calibration it said that it isn’t designed for this type of screen). But even worse there’s this funky speckling that you see on any light colored background that appears to be due to it being a touchscreen (as if I’m ever going to put my fingers all over the screen anyway). The color linearity across the screen is not good either, the left side is reddish and the right side is greenish. Also agree that 16:10 would be preferable over 16:9. Overall not impressed, maybe its better on the Gen3 but I doubt it.
When covid comes and you have to switch from your workplace to working from home the extra cost of having bought a laptop is fairly miniscule. There is also a lot of other scenarios where moving from work to home is easy with a laptop and some inexpensive screens. Even for personal use I would sink my money into a laptop rather than a desktop simply for LAN party usage++
I don't LAN game though I have in the past and my computer rarely leaves home. My employer furnishes a company laptop as they have for over a decade which has proven prudent in light of the unexpected COVID teleworking. At any rate, even though my home hardware is used mainly in a single location (with visits to the kitchen table and sofa that are not necessary as a phone I also own would be sufficient for that sort of in-home travel), I too will probably continue to buy laptops rather than desktops in the foreseeable future.
Why is the builtin webcam on most laptops so poor - even very cheap phones have full HD or better selfie cameras so why do laptops still have 720p (or worse!) cameras? (A very quick check on eBay had a new android phone with a 5M pixel camera for under £46 so why does this computer only have a 1M pixel camera ? )
there is more to camera quality than megapixels 720p is enough for video conferencing. Most software probably don't send video in higher resolution anyways. But I agree that it might be time to move to 1920x180 however (2MP). 5 MP would be useless however.
No it isn't useless. 5MP allows you to downsample and with current chipsets, this would be trivial. 5MP is about a 2560x1440 image and would allow you to do a 4x downsample to 720 or a ~2x downsample to 1080. The real answer is that the parts are always going to come at a cost and most likely, most laptop OEMs haven't gone through their entire stock of cameras.
From what I understand most laptops use a pretty standard ribbon connector for their webcam. That connector is essentially usb2 which effectively limits the resolution to 720p if you want a stable decent frame rate. Going for an usb3 connector could be done but would require a bigger ribbon connector as well. So while certainly doable it would be a bigger investment than to just buy a better camera. On the demand side most people don't care enough to warrant the investment upgrading the camera.
That being said light most laptops just don't have great webcams even ignoring their resolution.
I don't think connecting the webcam using a USB3-compatible cable is the problem, but let's do the math. USB2 is 480 Mbps. 1280x720x24x24 = 531 Mbps
So USB2 is too slow even for uncompressed 720p at 24 fps. If they are going to use compression, then going to 1080p resolution isn't a problem. I bet most 1080p web cams are USB2.
That is assuming full 4:4:4 color. I doubt we are getting that over a webcam. 4:2:2 IF we are lucky, 4:2:0 most likely. So 1/2 of the raw data rate for your 720p24 example for 4:2:0, 2/3 of the datarate for 4:2:2 (same example).
It's not "most likely", it is certain. 4:2:2 is prosumer level, if not low-mid level professional subsampling. Even Blu Ray uses only 4:2:0 chroma subsampling. Bizarrely even the newest Ultra HD Blu Ray supports only 4:2:0 subsampling, despite the quadrupling of resolution to 4K, the much wider color gamut (REC. 2020), the switch from 8 to 10 bits per color and the support of HDR10 and Dolby Vision. I wonder if this was done to maintain backwards and forward compatibility with the old 1080p Blu Ray.
Only certain professional cameras (particularly those used for digital cinematography) and prosumer and higher DSLRs can record uncompressed video. A webcam does not, and does not need to record uncompressed video because it would make no sense at all.
The highest I've seen on USB 2.0 is 1080p30 but even that might have been compressed. 1080p60 absolutely requires USB 3.0 or higher.
I think as others have mentioned, that it's down to: a) getting rid of existing stock b) most buyers just not caring enough/the webcams are good enough c) video calling services don't stream at much higher than 720p anyway d) the rest of the camera assembly isn't great, so there's no point in wasting a decent sensor on one e) decent camera assemblies that will fit into a bezel (remember, these are thin) are going to be relatively expensive
Mostly because manufacturers can get away with it. I agree that a "professional" laptop (mobile workstations certainly qualify) should warrant the extra couple of dollars or Euros that a decent 1080p camera with integrated h264/VP9 compression. Video conferencing has become a daily occurrence for many of us, so it's no longer a luxury. Plus, some other "premium" laptops have quite decent built-in cams, so it can be done.
Because AMD hasn't gotten its act together in the premium mobile space. Now, to be fair, they are just back in the fast lane for about 2 years, so maybe they'll surprise us with a professional version of Renoir, maybe with 8, 10, 12 and 16 cores, ECC support and a generous helping of PCIe 4.0 lanes. Now, that would be a good reason to ask "why doesn't this have AMD inside?". Right now, mobile professional workstations are Intel's domain. I wouldn't spec a professional workstation without ECC RAM, if only to avoid the liability if anything goes wrong after "it worked so well in the simulation".
Well, does Renoir officially support ECC RAM? In a professional workstation, portable or not, that is frequently a requirement. If AMD had a "mobile Threadripper" version, I would also ask "why not". As it is, it's unfortunately somewhat moot.
Laptop should be portable. Anyone still using laptop heavier than 1.5 kg or screen larger than 14" should consider desktop. Only remote control it from normal laptop if needed.
How is it that 15.6 inch screen hardware seems like the most commonly available size? Could it possibly be that people don't feel the same way you do and end up buying bigger and/or heavier systems? I've happily spent years on the road in the past carting around a 15.6 inch 5.5 lbs /2.49 kg laptop to keep myself amused while staying at hotels in the evenings. There was nothing at all wrong with it and I even managed a few mad dashes across Hartsfield–Jackson International, Dulles, SeaTac, and even one or two close connections through Salt Lake with it bumping along at my side in a laptop bag. The extra screen space and seemingly overkill cooling was well worth it when I wanted to spend the evening writing in order to unwind from my main job.
A desktop would be much larger, I have an X1E Gen 2 which has almost identical dimensions, and while it is a little heavy, it easily fits into my bag and I use it a lot away from a desk.
This laptop isn't for you, but there are plenty out there that meet your requirements. So jog on and get one of those, and perhaps don't come back here until you've educated yourself about perspective and to the existence of other people who have their own needs.
Desktop replacement laptops still have a place for gaming use. The larger chassis allows for better cooling allowing for more powerful graphics and full desktop CPUs. The larger display of 17" screens is better for both games and productivity. (And even the heaviest DTR laptop is still FAR lighter than the first portable computer system that I used - a PDP 11/73 in one flight case and a VT220 in another !!!)
(Thin lightweight laptops with powerful CPUs and graphics either get very noisy or thermally throttle when subject to sustained heavy load.)
your looking for the P52 for that, I would personally prefer to have the cut off board as it centers the home row more than having a numpad would. Not all workloads demanding a pro machine need a numpad.
Lenovo sells 3 other 15" Thinkpads (and more 15" Thinkpads when we include the L and E series, along with other Lenovo/Think 15" laptops), and every single one of them have an useless numpad. Get one of those, if you want the numpad. Leave the one and ONLY 15" Thinkpad without that unnecessary appendage to the rest of us.
It sounds pretty decent actually, especially for the price. If the GPU was stronger, and I hadn't just put a bunch of money into a Razer Blade Pro, I'd have given it a serious look.
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Evil Underlord - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
All this time, and Lenovo still hasn't shifted back to a better screen ratio. If it weren't for their keyboards, I'd have been gone long ago.mmrezaie - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
Every couple of years I switch between Mac and Thinkpad but this new charger (not a USB-C), and speaker are just too many compromises to get that keyboard, this time. I may actually look into Dell vs Apple this time.drkrieger - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
Sadly, adding the dedicated video card pushes most power delivery outside of the USB-C spec. Anything north of 90W will likely require a non-standard power connection to deliver the needed amperage.Valantar - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
Dell uses "sort of custom" (i.e. not in the official spec, but still fully supports the standard) 130W type-C chargers, why can't others do the same?quiksilvr - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
The wattage of the charger is 130W to provide consistent 100W charging to the laptop. It's overhead. The USB-C spec is still limited to 100W.karatekid430 - Thursday, June 18, 2020 - link
I believe it is actually 130W. Just because the USB-IF has placed an artificial limit, does not mean they cannot exceed it. If the charger advertises a 20V 6.5A profile on top of the standard 20V 5.0A standard profile, and the laptop is programmed to accept that, then it will work. The charger will be using a captive cable so that you cannot use a standard USB-C to USB-C cable which might not be good for the additional power. Dell must have checked the USB-C receptacles and plugs which they use and determined them to be safe for 6.5A.I am hoping the USB-IF will add a 48V 5A mode (240W). 48V is considered to be the upper limit of "safe" low voltage. It happens to be the voltage of phantom power used to power condenser microphones.
s.yu - Thursday, June 18, 2020 - link
I've always wondered why it's called phantom power...PeachNCream - Saturday, June 20, 2020 - link
Its infested with ghosts and others of that ilk.yasamoka - Friday, June 19, 2020 - link
They deliver power out of spec. They did that since the Dell XPS 15 9550 with their USB-C dock. It's capable of delivering 130W to the laptop. The CPU's TDP is 45W and the GPU's TDP is 90W, so the laptop can and will draw more than 100W given thermal constraints do not throttle it down to below that.WinterCharm - Thursday, June 18, 2020 - link
This is why Apple went through all the trouble of HBM on a 5600M -- getting that power to 50W was tricky.PeachNCream - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
I know it isn't optimal as an answer, but what of external displays? A system like this is not likely to be used much away from a fixed desk location anyway so a monitor may not be a significant liability.vol.2 - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
it's not an answer at all really.why would anyone spending extra money on a fancy laptop if it can only be used at home? just buy a more powerful desktop for less money and you're done if that's the situation.
PeachNCream - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
It's apparent from the OP that desktop hardware is not a factor in the discussion so my response was based on keeping with the topic at hand rather than diverting to desktop form factor equipment - something that is generally on the decline anyway among both business and home users.Before you get upset by that, the dominance of laptop sales in terms of numbers over desktop hardware is observational. I am not attempting to invalidate your claim that you can buy more power for less. In fact, I agree with that observation. It just is clearly not a relevant factor under consideration at this point so there is no reason to advocate for that alternative.
vol.2 - Thursday, June 18, 2020 - link
i think that the point is that this machine is clearly "about the screen" as a device. the rarity of good OLED panels on laptops in general is enough to make the claim that it's the *only* reason for some people to consider buying it. but then the aspect ratio of the screen sucks for doing work on. especially at 15", 16:9 doesn't leave you with much vertical screen real estate. it sucks.so if the only answer (optimal or not) is to just not use the screen at all, then why bother making the choice to buy this laptop? because of brand loyalty to lenovo? i suppose it comes down to what you value most. not for me though. i'll never willingly buy/use a 16:9 laptop as long as there are other good options.
PeachNCream - Thursday, June 18, 2020 - link
I can't agree with you enough. 16:9 is a stupid, miserable screen ratio for a lot of work tasks that would otherwise benefit from something taller. However, it's been long enough I admit I've gotten used to it and have been working around it for years so I don't really notice it much anymore except when I see an older 16:10 or 4:3 display panel. I do get where you're coming from though. I think a lot of these Lenovo laptops will end up as business purchases and the people that use them won't have much of a say in what they get.Auream - Thursday, June 18, 2020 - link
My work issued laptop is a ThinkPad P1 Gen2 (previous model to this one). I was excited about the 4K OLED screen, but it turns out it kinda sucks. Colors (especially red) are way too saturated (I’m sure it could be calibrated but when I tried to use the Windows 10 calibration it said that it isn’t designed for this type of screen). But even worse there’s this funky speckling that you see on any light colored background that appears to be due to it being a touchscreen (as if I’m ever going to put my fingers all over the screen anyway). The color linearity across the screen is not good either, the left side is reddish and the right side is greenish. Also agree that 16:10 would be preferable over 16:9. Overall not impressed, maybe its better on the Gen3 but I doubt it.Rookierookie - Thursday, June 18, 2020 - link
People sometimes move from their living room to bedroom from time to time.hpevju - Thursday, June 18, 2020 - link
When covid comes and you have to switch from your workplace to working from home the extra cost of having bought a laptop is fairly miniscule. There is also a lot of other scenarios where moving from work to home is easy with a laptop and some inexpensive screens. Even for personal use I would sink my money into a laptop rather than a desktop simply for LAN party usage++PeachNCream - Friday, June 19, 2020 - link
I don't LAN game though I have in the past and my computer rarely leaves home. My employer furnishes a company laptop as they have for over a decade which has proven prudent in light of the unexpected COVID teleworking. At any rate, even though my home hardware is used mainly in a single location (with visits to the kitchen table and sofa that are not necessary as a phone I also own would be sufficient for that sort of in-home travel), I too will probably continue to buy laptops rather than desktops in the foreseeable future.vol.2 - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
I know, right. You would have thought after the success of the surface or at least the 16:10 of mac that they would have got the idea.eastcoast_pete - Thursday, June 18, 2020 - link
Agree that the screen aspect ratio is a bit annoying for this use and price range. Especially now that 3:2 displays are readily available.Duncan Macdonald - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
Why is the builtin webcam on most laptops so poor - even very cheap phones have full HD or better selfie cameras so why do laptops still have 720p (or worse!) cameras? (A very quick check on eBay had a new android phone with a 5M pixel camera for under £46 so why does this computer only have a 1M pixel camera ? )zorxd - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
there is more to camera quality than megapixels720p is enough for video conferencing. Most software probably don't send video in higher resolution anyways. But I agree that it might be time to move to 1920x180 however (2MP). 5 MP would be useless however.
JimRamK - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
No it isn't useless. 5MP allows you to downsample and with current chipsets, this would be trivial. 5MP is about a 2560x1440 image and would allow you to do a 4x downsample to 720 or a ~2x downsample to 1080. The real answer is that the parts are always going to come at a cost and most likely, most laptop OEMs haven't gone through their entire stock of cameras.qlum - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
From what I understand most laptops use a pretty standard ribbon connector for their webcam. That connector is essentially usb2 which effectively limits the resolution to 720p if you want a stable decent frame rate. Going for an usb3 connector could be done but would require a bigger ribbon connector as well. So while certainly doable it would be a bigger investment than to just buy a better camera. On the demand side most people don't care enough to warrant the investment upgrading the camera.That being said light most laptops just don't have great webcams even ignoring their resolution.
zorxd - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
I don't think connecting the webcam using a USB3-compatible cable is the problem, but let's do the math.
USB2 is 480 Mbps.
1280x720x24x24 = 531 Mbps
So USB2 is too slow even for uncompressed 720p at 24 fps. If they are going to use compression, then going to 1080p resolution isn't a problem. I bet most 1080p web cams are USB2.
NICOXIS - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
I wonder what type of connector do cellphone selfie cameras use..Excelsior00 - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
Mobile phone usually uses MIPI CSI to connect the high resolution camera to the mainboard,jeremyshaw - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
That is assuming full 4:4:4 color. I doubt we are getting that over a webcam. 4:2:2 IF we are lucky, 4:2:0 most likely. So 1/2 of the raw data rate for your 720p24 example for 4:2:0, 2/3 of the datarate for 4:2:2 (same example).Santoval - Thursday, June 18, 2020 - link
It's not "most likely", it is certain. 4:2:2 is prosumer level, if not low-mid level professional subsampling. Even Blu Ray uses only 4:2:0 chroma subsampling. Bizarrely even the newest Ultra HD Blu Ray supports only 4:2:0 subsampling, despite the quadrupling of resolution to 4K, the much wider color gamut (REC. 2020), the switch from 8 to 10 bits per color and the support of HDR10 and Dolby Vision. I wonder if this was done to maintain backwards and forward compatibility with the old 1080p Blu Ray.ahtoh - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
afaik 1080p USB2 web cams send over compressed video, that requires encoding being performed on the cam side.Santoval - Thursday, June 18, 2020 - link
Only certain professional cameras (particularly those used for digital cinematography) and prosumer and higher DSLRs can record uncompressed video. A webcam does not, and does not need to record uncompressed video because it would make no sense at all.Tams80 - Friday, June 19, 2020 - link
The highest I've seen on USB 2.0 is 1080p30 but even that might have been compressed.1080p60 absolutely requires USB 3.0 or higher.
I think as others have mentioned, that it's down to:
a) getting rid of existing stock
b) most buyers just not caring enough/the webcams are good enough
c) video calling services don't stream at much higher than 720p anyway
d) the rest of the camera assembly isn't great, so there's no point in wasting a decent sensor on one
e) decent camera assemblies that will fit into a bezel (remember, these are thin) are going to be relatively expensive
olafgarten - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
I can confirm that the camera on the X1E Gen 2 is trash, one of the worst parts of the laptop, it's even noticeably bad on a standard video chat.eastcoast_pete - Thursday, June 18, 2020 - link
Mostly because manufacturers can get away with it. I agree that a "professional" laptop (mobile workstations certainly qualify) should warrant the extra couple of dollars or Euros that a decent 1080p camera with integrated h264/VP9 compression. Video conferencing has become a daily occurrence for many of us, so it's no longer a luxury. Plus, some other "premium" laptops have quite decent built-in cams, so it can be done.yeeeeman - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
Incoming "why it doesn't have Renoir" comments in 3....2....1....blomquist - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
a legit question ;)ogremic - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
but... why does it not have Treadripper? :Deastcoast_pete - Friday, June 19, 2020 - link
Because AMD hasn't gotten its act together in the premium mobile space. Now, to be fair, they are just back in the fast lane for about 2 years, so maybe they'll surprise us with a professional version of Renoir, maybe with 8, 10, 12 and 16 cores, ECC support and a generous helping of PCIe 4.0 lanes. Now, that would be a good reason to ask "why doesn't this have AMD inside?". Right now, mobile professional workstations are Intel's domain. I wouldn't spec a professional workstation without ECC RAM, if only to avoid the liability if anything goes wrong after "it worked so well in the simulation".WaWaThreeFIVbroS - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
One day later and the ones mentioning the word "Renoir" is only you and meOh reality....
murak01 - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
No no, I was wondering the same thing. Maybe next Gen then?eastcoast_pete - Thursday, June 18, 2020 - link
Well, does Renoir officially support ECC RAM? In a professional workstation, portable or not, that is frequently a requirement. If AMD had a "mobile Threadripper" version, I would also ask "why not". As it is, it's unfortunately somewhat moot.Rookierookie - Thursday, June 18, 2020 - link
Lenovo has been the most active major manufacturer in promoting AMD laptops, so it would definitely be barking up the wrong tree.zamroni - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
Laptop should be portable.Anyone still using laptop heavier than 1.5 kg or screen larger than 14" should consider desktop.
Only remote control it from normal laptop if needed.
PeachNCream - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
How is it that 15.6 inch screen hardware seems like the most commonly available size? Could it possibly be that people don't feel the same way you do and end up buying bigger and/or heavier systems? I've happily spent years on the road in the past carting around a 15.6 inch 5.5 lbs /2.49 kg laptop to keep myself amused while staying at hotels in the evenings. There was nothing at all wrong with it and I even managed a few mad dashes across Hartsfield–Jackson International, Dulles, SeaTac, and even one or two close connections through Salt Lake with it bumping along at my side in a laptop bag. The extra screen space and seemingly overkill cooling was well worth it when I wanted to spend the evening writing in order to unwind from my main job.olafgarten - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
A desktop would be much larger, I have an X1E Gen 2 which has almost identical dimensions, and while it is a little heavy, it easily fits into my bag and I use it a lot away from a desk.Solidstate89 - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
No.Tams80 - Friday, June 19, 2020 - link
A laptop should be usable as the tool it is for.This laptop isn't for you, but there are plenty out there that meet your requirements. So jog on and get one of those, and perhaps don't come back here until you've educated yourself about perspective and to the existence of other people who have their own needs.
Duncan Macdonald - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
Desktop replacement laptops still have a place for gaming use. The larger chassis allows for better cooling allowing for more powerful graphics and full desktop CPUs. The larger display of 17" screens is better for both games and productivity. (And even the heaviest DTR laptop is still FAR lighter than the first portable computer system that I used - a PDP 11/73 in one flight case and a VT220 in another !!!)(Thin lightweight laptops with powerful CPUs and graphics either get very noisy or thermally throttle when subject to sustained heavy load.)
vladx - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
And still no full keyboard in a laptop targeting professional use.What a damn shame
biasedopinion - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
your looking for the P52 for that, I would personally prefer to have the cut off board as it centers the home row more than having a numpad would. Not all workloads demanding a pro machine need a numpad.jeremyshaw - Thursday, June 18, 2020 - link
Lenovo sells 3 other 15" Thinkpads (and more 15" Thinkpads when we include the L and E series, along with other Lenovo/Think 15" laptops), and every single one of them have an useless numpad. Get one of those, if you want the numpad. Leave the one and ONLY 15" Thinkpad without that unnecessary appendage to the rest of us.danielfranklin - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
Give me 16x10 and an AMD H series!stopwatcch - Thursday, June 18, 2020 - link
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It sounds pretty decent actually, especially for the price. If the GPU was stronger, and I hadn't just put a bunch of money into a Razer Blade Pro, I'd have given it a serious look.scineram - Thursday, June 18, 2020 - link
Not Renoir, not interesting.pjcamp - Thursday, June 18, 2020 - link
With a screen that is still basically a TV. No thanks.Vitor - Thursday, June 18, 2020 - link
16:10/2560x1600 is still my ideal notebook screen