That has generally been the case for the 700 series. Either way, I still like it this way, rather than deliberately holding back products to enforce arbitrary product line definitions.
The 2ghz 675 almost matched the 2.8ghz 845 in single core. And the 2.2 ghz 730 beat it. Multi was still more on 845, but the 765/768 only have 2 big cores, i doubt they will beat it.
Working well on FF 77.0.1 on Linux Mint 19.3 here - only 1366x768 res screen so if anyone is going to suffer some compression due to a lack of screen real estate, I would think that I would also suffer from it.
Just 2GHz 2xA77 cores and 1.7GHz 4xA55 - this isn't going to bring any performance improvements on the CPU side from SD765 (being clocked 2.2 on A76). More GPU is not what we is needed in this segment.
It will because A77 has 20% higher IPC over A76, which more than makes up for the 200-300mhz deficit. In any case, SD690 should be an inferior product to SD765 but at it turns out it will the better one.
A77 cores should come first to 700 series. They did the same thing with 675. Now we will have new, overpriced phones launching with 765 while some OEM's will have cheaper, better phones with 690 which does not make any sense at all.
I like these upper mid range SOCs a lot. Fairly modern architectures but not sky rocketing frequencies. Should have more than decent performance without crazy heath and power drain.
As mediatek is pushing the performance envelope for upper and mid range SoCs with likes Dimenisty 820 and 1000 series, Qualcomm has to have better counter parts and give more boost to the performance of it 6xx and 7xx series of SoC to make a viable competitors, as we can clearly see they are currently lacking behind in comparison, all of themSD765, SD730, SD675, SD665 need big overhaul with CA77 and CA78 to keep up thier lead in the segment and more and considerinh the performance improvements shown by Mediatek more OEM's are preferring them for budget and mid range segment with P series, G series and Dimensity 820 and 1000 over the current line up of SD6xx or SD7xx series.
Yes Medeatek has started to provide some much needed competition android mobile segment needed. These new chips are fruit of it. I am quite interested in the Heat and Power consumption of this chip.
surprised no one has complained about the super short range MMwave yet (even though it's not important compared to having full sub 6ghz to 700 mhz support witch your phone will see for the majority of the time)
That makes sense - Qualcomm can know(guess) that MMwave is DOA for pretty much everyone.
Other than sub-6 5G support I don't really see much difference between the 670, 675, and 690.
Fortunately the 5G rollout is so slow and painful that good 4G phones should be good to use for the foreseeable future.
The good news here is limited since the SOCs with no A-7x at all are still hanging around on new phones giving people slow and buggy experiences on 8-12 cores.
main benefit of the 690 5g is the 4G will be faster (has faster LTE modem and more LTE bands support) and have support for even faster 5g for later on if you get a signal
well at some point providers are going to be moving 4G into split share with 5G so Dynamic Spectrum Sharing (DSS) so it can use 5g and 4g at same time
so unlike 3g to 4g where you could only be on 3g or 4g (with 3g voice fall back when it worked, the random missed call texts when your phone didn't ring but it hit voicemail and they hang up) with x51 it can do both 4g and 5g combined (X51 and higher) and you get data speed from both 4g and 5g technologies (where provider support is enabled for it)
all in one x51 or higher modems with required 5g antennas (not X50 it has 5g but has a separate 5g modem that is not part of the 2g/3g/4g modem that is inside the SOC) so avoid any phone with 855+ SOC (even there website does not put 5g next to it just a + all other SOCs with a dedicated 2g to 5g modem or built into the SOC has 5g on it)
the 7-8 series have support for MMwave (lots of phones only have Sub 6ghz hardware which really is not a problem a MMwave is super short range to be network financially profitable) we might get it in the UK but its use be very limited use (i would of said large sport/events and transport stations but with currant covid situation 20Ghz+ deployment would be very little use, maybe 5 years)
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WPX00 - Tuesday, June 16, 2020 - link
Interesting that the 690 will have a better CPU than the 765, which is still on A76.jeremyshaw - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
That has generally been the case for the 700 series. Either way, I still like it this way, rather than deliberately holding back products to enforce arbitrary product line definitions.Vince789 - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
Also good to see the GPU get more than the usual 20-30% upliftQualcomm will probably launch another 700 series with A78s at the end of the year
deil - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
yup it makes sense it will either get 7nm with same other params, or more A76/A77 than this one, OR faster ram.ZolaIII - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
That's just because S675 whose registration even to previous generations with Adreno 512 (510 with faster RAM).Mobile-Dom - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
It might have a better CPU core, but at an 800Mhz deficit from the 768 and a 400Mhz deficit from the 765, those will still beat it.iphonebestgamephone - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
The 2ghz 675 almost matched the 2.8ghz 845 in single core. And the 2.2 ghz 730 beat it. Multi was still more on 845, but the 765/768 only have 2 big cores, i doubt they will beat it.StormyParis - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
the table renders wonkily on Firefox, causing the last column - the interesting one- to be half-obscured by the right-hand widgets.DanNeely - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
was it edited, it's rendering correctly for me. FF77.0.1 W10PeachNCream - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
Working well on FF 77.0.1 on Linux Mint 19.3 here - only 1366x768 res screen so if anyone is going to suffer some compression due to a lack of screen real estate, I would think that I would also suffer from it.tkSteveFOX - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
Just 2GHz 2xA77 cores and 1.7GHz 4xA55 - this isn't going to bring any performance improvements on the CPU side from SD765 (being clocked 2.2 on A76). More GPU is not what we is needed in this segment.yeeeeman - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
It will because A77 has 20% higher IPC over A76, which more than makes up for the 200-300mhz deficit. In any case, SD690 should be an inferior product to SD765 but at it turns out it will the better one.isthisavailable - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
A77 cores should come first to 700 series. They did the same thing with 675.Now we will have new, overpriced phones launching with 765 while some OEM's will have cheaper, better phones with 690 which does not make any sense at all.
dishayu - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
That doesn't sound like a problem to me. You and i can just buy the cheaper, better phones.fmcjw - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
Hopefully a back to basics model inspired by the success of the iPhone SE. The current crop of phones weighing 180 to 220 grams is unfortunate.Sharma_Ji - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
Rendi note xx pro coming soon.TheProv - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
I like these upper mid range SOCs a lot. Fairly modern architectures but not sky rocketing frequencies. Should have more than decent performance without crazy heath and power drain.eastcoast_pete - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
Also, apparently fabbed by Samsung; unless TSMC has suddenly started 8 nm. I guess Samsung had plenty of cheaper capacity.Skifer - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
As mediatek is pushing the performance envelope for upper and mid range SoCs with likes Dimenisty 820 and 1000 series, Qualcomm has to have better counter parts and give more boost to the performance of it 6xx and 7xx series of SoC to make a viable competitors, as we can clearly see they are currently lacking behind in comparison, all of themSD765, SD730, SD675, SD665 need big overhaul with CA77 and CA78 to keep up thier lead in the segment and more and considerinh the performance improvements shown by Mediatek more OEM's are preferring them for budget and mid range segment with P series, G series and Dimensity 820 and 1000 over the current line up of SD6xx or SD7xx series.patel21 - Thursday, June 18, 2020 - link
Yes Medeatek has started to provide some much needed competition android mobile segment needed. These new chips are fruit of it.I am quite interested in the Heat and Power consumption of this chip.
leexgx - Thursday, June 18, 2020 - link
surprised no one has complained about the super short range MMwave yet (even though it's not important compared to having full sub 6ghz to 700 mhz support witch your phone will see for the majority of the time)Great_Scott - Thursday, June 18, 2020 - link
That makes sense - Qualcomm can know(guess) that MMwave is DOA for pretty much everyone.Other than sub-6 5G support I don't really see much difference between the 670, 675, and 690.
Fortunately the 5G rollout is so slow and painful that good 4G phones should be good to use for the foreseeable future.
The good news here is limited since the SOCs with no A-7x at all are still hanging around on new phones giving people slow and buggy experiences on 8-12 cores.
leexgx - Saturday, June 20, 2020 - link
main benefit of the 690 5g is the 4G will be faster (has faster LTE modem and more LTE bands support) and have support for even faster 5g for later on if you get a signalwell at some point providers are going to be moving 4G into split share with 5G so Dynamic Spectrum Sharing (DSS) so it can use 5g and 4g at same time
so unlike 3g to 4g where you could only be on 3g or 4g (with 3g voice fall back when it worked, the random missed call texts when your phone didn't ring but it hit voicemail and they hang up)
with x51 it can do both 4g and 5g combined (X51 and higher) and you get data speed from both 4g and 5g technologies (where provider support is enabled for it)
all in one x51 or higher modems with required 5g antennas (not X50 it has 5g but has a separate 5g modem that is not part of the 2g/3g/4g modem that is inside the SOC) so avoid any phone with 855+ SOC (even there website does not put 5g next to it just a + all other SOCs with a dedicated 2g to 5g modem or built into the SOC has 5g on it)
the 7-8 series have support for MMwave (lots of phones only have Sub 6ghz hardware which really is not a problem a MMwave is super short range to be network financially profitable)
we might get it in the UK but its use be very limited use (i would of said large sport/events and transport stations but with currant covid situation 20Ghz+ deployment would be very little use, maybe 5 years)
0iron - Friday, June 19, 2020 - link
So, 6 series will run out of name!