I doubt anyone rational would be willing to go to Computex anyway. Even though the risks are generally low, there is still a potential loss of life involved with getting infected (or infecting someone else) and that makes pretty much anything like a trade show or other major public gathering not worth the consequences.
Absolutely. Psyops succeeded really well! The slow desintegration of western societies can now be blamed on "covid", like "due to covid crisis...." and so on. Brilliant work! I live outside US, in a place where there is almost now covid anymore, and I see loads of people wearing masks on the empty streets, wearing masks in their own cars...brainwashing works.
He's right. What is being done here doesn't make any sense, especially because these measures - based on the data - appear to have been largely ineffective.
Most of the news however has become completely disconnected from the data, so every day we see more stories reporting the idea of some great surge in the spread of the virus, but when you look for that surge on the charts, it's simply not there.
@shikibyakko, risking other people's lives is what makes life worth living? I mean yours is do do whatever you want with it, go lick a handrail in the subway if that gets you going, play Russian roulette, climb skyscrapers. But most other people don't really feel comfortable in such environments knowing the risk of getting a disease and perhaps worse, taking it home to their family and friends.
Now the organizers, being smarter than the average "courageous Joe on the comment section" realized this and saw no point in organizing an event with a pitiful attendance and that could only make matters worse for everybody. Getting to see live some gadgets that you can very well read about on the internet is unlikely to be worth even if just one person risking death.
You drive a car? Your brake lines could rupture and you plow into a group of people. Did you wear a mask before corona? Up to 650,000 people *per year* die from influenza related causes. I could keep going for pages, point being outside of hotspots the "danger" of corona isn't extraordinary in any meaningful way. Yes, if you live in an area with a major outbreak having some precautions makes sense, but living in constant fear when one person has a case within fifty miles is just bizarre.
Think a little bit. One person within fifty miles - of course. Thousands of people at Computex from all over the world stuffed into the same enclosed space is a different animal.
I think the odds that we have an effective vaccine, and it's been administered to large enough percentage of the population by 6/2021, are pretty small.
This is the start of a new middle ages. A destroyed economy and society living in fear of a divine punishment for not following a strict social and moral code that in the end only makes everyone miserable
There was no global lockdowns with the Spanish flu. There was no large global border closures because of the Spanish Flu. Not to mention, the Spanish flu was a level 5 pandemic, this is at much a level 3, and the reaction is like nothing we have ever seen before. Basically everyone ignored the recommendations for this type of pandemic, went into full panic mode, and stayed there even if the facts became clear.
The responses to the Spanish Flu were varied. Some cities, such as Chicago, stayed open and even had a public parade, and ended up with hundreds of thousands of deaths. Other cities locked down.
Which facts have become clear? You think we should open up? Arizona has opened up and infection rates have tripled. Texas has opened up and infection rates have doubled.
"the infection rates can quadruple its does not change the fact 98% of those who get it recover from it"
It's too early for anyone to have final mortality rates for COVID, but if we use the current numbers of infections and deaths in the United States then the rate is a bit over 5.6% (117K deaths out of 2.1M infected).
If you quadruple the infection rate and keep the mortality rate the same, it just means 4x as many people will die. But there's also the risk of facilities running out of resources like we saw in New York back in March.
shikibyakko read some stuff on the internet and came to enlighten everybody here. It's a conspiracy. He's probably going to log about it right now. Or whatever people who have discovered fringe websites as a primary source of information.
Nice strawman there. No one ever said it was a conspiracy. One of the most fringe websites I get info from is the Evidence Based Medicine Center from Oxford University. People are just dumb and have serious problems doing risk management.
@shikibyakko, it doesn't sound like you know a lot about the Middle Ages. Or about the current one. "Divine punishment" may be the major fear in some backwater you may be more familiar with but any person capable of forming one full synapse is afraid of a virus that already killed over 15 million people worldwide in half a year give or take. And it's probably not done.
Keep doing that good millennial work where you think that just because you have a voice people should definitely hear it, and that this is the best venue to spill your crap.
With those numbers, according to the CDC own assessments of pandemics, this would be a pandemic level 2 or 3 out of 5. Yes, it is "worse" than the common anual flu, but it isn't really a devastating pandemic. Unlike an influenza pandemic, which usually kills the younger and older in society, this one mostly kills the older. Most outbreaks occur in nursing homes and hospitals.
So no, it really doesn't make much sense to be afraid of this virus unless you are over 65 or with serious health problems.
dream on. Then they will say "we have discovered another symptom of covid, you pee more than once a day/you breathe/your head scratches/....". Or there will be covid21. Practice shows - anything is possible, loads of people will believe anything, then they karen non-believers because political correctness is all that matters these days, and if that does not work you will be branded as nazzi or raciss, that will make you fold. Sad, sad world.
I wonder what will happen to those major PC-related announcements. Vendors each holding individual virtual soirees? A few more press releases instead?
(And what's with the weird conspiracy-theory comments on AnandTech over the last couple of days? Generally written by names I've never seen before, with what appears to be zero interest in technology or the actual article content. A real shame, since AnandTech has had one of the most useful comment sections on the internet.)
If they were smart, they could have done an online computex.
I'm sure a lot of companies will be happy about not spending so much money on transportation, booths, lodging, etc, and instead just present products online.
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PeachNCream - Friday, June 12, 2020 - link
I doubt anyone rational would be willing to go to Computex anyway. Even though the risks are generally low, there is still a potential loss of life involved with getting infected (or infecting someone else) and that makes pretty much anything like a trade show or other major public gathering not worth the consequences.shikibyakko - Friday, June 12, 2020 - link
Yeah, because living in fear of death all the time to the point that you avoid everything normal is what makes life worth living.Peskarik - Saturday, June 13, 2020 - link
Absolutely. Psyops succeeded really well! The slow desintegration of western societies can now be blamed on "covid", like "due to covid crisis...." and so on. Brilliant work! I live outside US, in a place where there is almost now covid anymore, and I see loads of people wearing masks on the empty streets, wearing masks in their own cars...brainwashing works.PeachNCream - Saturday, June 13, 2020 - link
Put down the vodka bottle comrade.Peskarik - Saturday, June 13, 2020 - link
I don't drink...comradetwtech - Thursday, June 18, 2020 - link
He's right. What is being done here doesn't make any sense, especially because these measures - based on the data - appear to have been largely ineffective.Most of the news however has become completely disconnected from the data, so every day we see more stories reporting the idea of some great surge in the spread of the virus, but when you look for that surge on the charts, it's simply not there.
bananaforscale - Tuesday, July 28, 2020 - link
You're an idiot and have no clue how to manage a pandemic. Being careful may spare us from a second wave.close - Saturday, June 13, 2020 - link
@shikibyakko, risking other people's lives is what makes life worth living? I mean yours is do do whatever you want with it, go lick a handrail in the subway if that gets you going, play Russian roulette, climb skyscrapers. But most other people don't really feel comfortable in such environments knowing the risk of getting a disease and perhaps worse, taking it home to their family and friends.Now the organizers, being smarter than the average "courageous Joe on the comment section" realized this and saw no point in organizing an event with a pitiful attendance and that could only make matters worse for everybody. Getting to see live some gadgets that you can very well read about on the internet is unlikely to be worth even if just one person risking death.
BenSkywalker - Sunday, June 14, 2020 - link
You drive a car? Your brake lines could rupture and you plow into a group of people. Did you wear a mask before corona? Up to 650,000 people *per year* die from influenza related causes. I could keep going for pages, point being outside of hotspots the "danger" of corona isn't extraordinary in any meaningful way. Yes, if you live in an area with a major outbreak having some precautions makes sense, but living in constant fear when one person has a case within fifty miles is just bizarre.PeachNCream - Monday, June 15, 2020 - link
Think a little bit. One person within fifty miles - of course. Thousands of people at Computex from all over the world stuffed into the same enclosed space is a different animal.shikibyakko - Monday, June 15, 2020 - link
So, if you infect people with any other virus which result in their deaths, not a problem.But if the virus is SARS-CoV-2, then it is a tragedy.
PeachNCream - Tuesday, June 16, 2020 - link
It seems like the people that organize Computex do not feel the same way about the situation that you do.shikibyakko - Tuesday, June 16, 2020 - link
Sadly, and Computex will suffer from that decision.Arbie - Friday, June 12, 2020 - link
2021, when the virus won't be as contagious or deadly.lmcd - Friday, June 12, 2020 - link
If there's a vaccine or effective treatment plan, could be viable.sorten - Friday, June 12, 2020 - link
I think the odds that we have an effective vaccine, and it's been administered to large enough percentage of the population by 6/2021, are pretty small.shikibyakko - Friday, June 12, 2020 - link
This is the start of a new middle ages. A destroyed economy and society living in fear of a divine punishment for not following a strict social and moral code that in the end only makes everyone miserablesorten - Saturday, June 13, 2020 - link
New middle ages? No. We're nowhere near the level of crisis brought on by the Spanish flu, and "the economy" survived that experience.shikibyakko - Saturday, June 13, 2020 - link
There was no global lockdowns with the Spanish flu. There was no large global border closures because of the Spanish Flu.Not to mention, the Spanish flu was a level 5 pandemic, this is at much a level 3, and the reaction is like nothing we have ever seen before.
Basically everyone ignored the recommendations for this type of pandemic, went into full panic mode, and stayed there even if the facts became clear.
sorten - Saturday, June 13, 2020 - link
The responses to the Spanish Flu were varied. Some cities, such as Chicago, stayed open and even had a public parade, and ended up with hundreds of thousands of deaths. Other cities locked down.Which facts have become clear? You think we should open up? Arizona has opened up and infection rates have tripled. Texas has opened up and infection rates have doubled.
svan1971 - Saturday, June 13, 2020 - link
the infection rates can quadruple its does not change the fact 98% of those who get it recover from it.svan1971 - Saturday, June 13, 2020 - link
nearly half of those who have died did so in as a result of mandates forcing sick patients into nursing homes, that is a fact nobody discusses.sorten - Saturday, June 13, 2020 - link
"nearly half of those who have died did so in as a result of mandates forcing sick patients into nursing homes, that is a fact nobody discusses"Link to your references?
sorten - Saturday, June 13, 2020 - link
"the infection rates can quadruple its does not change the fact 98% of those who get it recover from it"It's too early for anyone to have final mortality rates for COVID, but if we use the current numbers of infections and deaths in the United States then the rate is a bit over 5.6% (117K deaths out of 2.1M infected).
If you quadruple the infection rate and keep the mortality rate the same, it just means 4x as many people will die. But there's also the risk of facilities running out of resources like we saw in New York back in March.
close - Saturday, June 13, 2020 - link
shikibyakko read some stuff on the internet and came to enlighten everybody here. It's a conspiracy. He's probably going to log about it right now. Or whatever people who have discovered fringe websites as a primary source of information.shikibyakko - Monday, June 15, 2020 - link
Nice strawman there. No one ever said it was a conspiracy.One of the most fringe websites I get info from is the Evidence Based Medicine Center from Oxford University.
People are just dumb and have serious problems doing risk management.
close - Saturday, June 13, 2020 - link
@shikibyakko, it doesn't sound like you know a lot about the Middle Ages. Or about the current one. "Divine punishment" may be the major fear in some backwater you may be more familiar with but any person capable of forming one full synapse is afraid of a virus that already killed over 15 million people worldwide in half a year give or take. And it's probably not done.Keep doing that good millennial work where you think that just because you have a voice people should definitely hear it, and that this is the best venue to spill your crap.
close - Saturday, June 13, 2020 - link
* infected, not killed. Only killed half a million. This forum is trapped in the '90s.shikibyakko - Monday, June 15, 2020 - link
With those numbers, according to the CDC own assessments of pandemics, this would be a pandemic level 2 or 3 out of 5.Yes, it is "worse" than the common anual flu, but it isn't really a devastating pandemic.
Unlike an influenza pandemic, which usually kills the younger and older in society, this one mostly kills the older.
Most outbreaks occur in nursing homes and hospitals.
So no, it really doesn't make much sense to be afraid of this virus unless you are over 65 or with serious health problems.
Peskarik - Saturday, June 13, 2020 - link
dream on. Then they will say "we have discovered another symptom of covid, you pee more than once a day/you breathe/your head scratches/....". Or there will be covid21. Practice shows - anything is possible, loads of people will believe anything, then they karen non-believers because political correctness is all that matters these days, and if that does not work you will be branded as nazzi or raciss, that will make you fold. Sad, sad world.sorten - Saturday, June 13, 2020 - link
they? who is your boogeyman, friend?Peskarik - Saturday, June 13, 2020 - link
same as everKamen Rider Blade - Friday, June 12, 2020 - link
<Arnold Schwarzenegger as 'The Terminator' saying "I'LL BE BACK!".gif>Peskarik - Saturday, June 13, 2020 - link
Computex is done.Carmen00 - Saturday, June 13, 2020 - link
I wonder what will happen to those major PC-related announcements. Vendors each holding individual virtual soirees? A few more press releases instead?(And what's with the weird conspiracy-theory comments on AnandTech over the last couple of days? Generally written by names I've never seen before, with what appears to be zero interest in technology or the actual article content. A real shame, since AnandTech has had one of the most useful comment sections on the internet.)
Dug - Sunday, June 14, 2020 - link
If they were smart, they could have done an online computex.I'm sure a lot of companies will be happy about not spending so much money on transportation, booths, lodging, etc, and instead just present products online.