Yes, but those 3 things are also in the $209 Asus ROG STRIX B550-F GAMING (WI-FI), according to what's been reported. So I suspect that there's something else going on that differentiates the B550-E from the B550-F.
I know that their X570-E compared to the X570F has dual LAN (1G and 2.5G), but that doesn't seem like enough to justify $70. We'll have to see a more detailed breakdown.
those things are not pricey they just market well. High end audio? like high end variant of the 1220 codec? lol . the days of dedicated sound cards with high end board are long gone. Wifi 6 was on x570 and the nic is like 3 or 4 bux i forgot but its on intels website. total 80 bux apparently.
To certain degree B550 seems to replace X370 and X470 chipsets rather than B450. Connectivity and Power delivery on these boards is a massive upgrade(some are better than intels Z490 offerings in same price range). While yes Asus seem to be overcharging as usual but all their competitors are bringing good offerings to table.
You can get "everything else" without having to pay for the X570. It does make some sense: getting a B550 doesn't mean you can't enjoy premium audio or WiFi 6, but you'd need to pay. The X570 in that price range probably will not offer those.
Asus has steadily increased prices while lowering the quality of all their products, ever the last 5 years. Their Marketing, as well as that of their competition,has instead reached new heights. You only have to visit their web sites to "experience" it for yourselves.
Both of the boards above do not look like they have fans.
The pricing really shows a huge transformation in the market status quo. The 300 series boards were all significantly cheaper and less premium because of AMD's market share, now we have $600+ X570s and $250+ B550s.
I kept telling people that once their marketshare will grow, AMD will practice the same pricing scheme like Intel. I hope they get their shit together and fix all their BIOS issues, RAM compatibility issues and so on and so forth.
Since Vermeer is taking so long (September) even if they can launch in a month, they'll hopefully have enough time to get most set in terms of these issues
It is possible.. but you would have to actually get the correct motherboard. You do realize most never actually spin up except the boot up test? I should know because I'm a noise freak and have my notua fans at 500rpm max which is under threshold for noise in my room. This is coming from someone that won't watercool because there isn't a pump made that is quiet enough.
I was worried about the fan when I got such a ASRock X570M Pro4 board and when I first switched it on there was a shockingly high whine. However, there are a "chipset fan silent mode" setting in BIOS and with this it's completely silent. I suspect it'll only kick in with a high load on the PCI controller and with just a M.2 SSD and a GFX card - the bus is just mostly sleeping. I hear the same from others; nobody saturates a Gen4 link, or even a Gen3 so mobos with good BIOSs will keep the fan quiet.
"PCIe Interface from Chipset B450 3.0" It's supposed to be 2.0, I think. At least that is how I read ATs own B450 article and how ever motherboard I researched had it configured. 3.0 for the PEG and one M.2 slot, everything else 2.0.
Possibly whoever made the table confused the Chipset to CPU uplink (which is 3.0 in both B450 and B550 and not a row present in the table) and the general purpose lanes from the Chipset, which are 2.0 in B450 and 3.0 in B550.
The TUF B550 Gaming PLUS Wifi has AX and 2.5gb LAN... The "higher end" X570 has AC and 1gb LAN... Kinda annoyed ASUS bumped up the B550 and didnt do so earlier on X570
The change I am looking for is: Do these motherboards use a fan? I already bought an X470 board due to the fan issue, but I'd like to be able to use a PCIe4.0 board for builds I put together for family. A chipset fan will not be part of those builds.
I’ve been looking for 10GbE on 4x4 motherboards (the ones with embedded Ryzen). Apparently, the embedded Ryzens support 2 10GbE NICs, but only one board has ever been produced with support for it, and it got discontinued in less than a year after release. 10GbE is really hard for some reason even with all these advancements.
You’re immensely dumb. You’re paying extra for something you’re not even using, at the moment. Do you have 2.5 G ethernet at home? Or how many components using pcie 4 are you using? Are you that blind as to not observe the slow but steady price increase of AMD’s boards? God damn it, some people will accept a tree up their ass as long as it from their favourite brand.
Do you realize that the 2.5G nic has nothing to do with AMD, that it's a choice made by ASUS? And that it's an intel nic? Which is good, it's one of their remaining strenghts.
do u realize that more often than not its realtek not intel NIC in amd mobos. and not by accident, one of intel's popular NIC relied on a MAC inside the intel chipset, and intel sold the standalone NIC at a premium. And that the intel 2.5G client NIC came out a full year after realtek brought one out for the masses. Gee i wonder why.
do u also realize that choices made by ASUS such as 2.5 G or backward compatibility all seem to be dramatically different when its AMD mobos vs intel mobos ?? hmmm i never knew ASUS was part of a conspiracy to undercut intel.
of course in the middle of all this excess realization you failed to realize my comment was pcie4 as well and not just 2.5G Ethernet.
If all you wanted to do was to shil for intel and point out that intel has always had much greater market share in networking, you just made intel look a lot worse not better.
I have NBase-T switches in my home lab & family network, with 10Gbit NICs where I have enough PCIe lanes to fit them, 2.5GBit USB 3 adapters where not (laptops, mostly). Most of the traffic is East-West to clustered SSD and RAID storage, not North towards the Internet, which doesn't reach 1Gbit/s yet. 1 vs 10Gbit makes a difference, when you keep your backup storage powered off between backups (helps with ransomware).
10Gbit NIC cost is below €100, 2.5Gbit USB3 sells below €50, NBase-T ports are around €50/port on my desktop class unnoticeable noise switches from Buffalo and Netgear.
A single PCIe 4 lane would be enough to offer 10Gbit Ethernet, but AFAIK there are no NICs nor onboard options yet. Most current chipsets take 4 lanes of PCIe 2 for 10Gbit or 8 lanes for dual.
Not everybody has the same requirements as you. It doesn't make them dumb.
Are there any higher-end mATX options this round? ASRock probably had the best option in the Steel Legend but it wasn't particularly great.
I don't need or want a behemoth ATX case and board with a sole (graphics) card and a bunch of dead space. ATX is a dumb waste of space and iTX is too limiting...
I'm building a mini-ITX pc. The only real difference between the x570 and b550 are the max sata cables and max usb ports. Since mini-ITX already has to improvise and cut down on the amount of ports and PCIE slots, there really isn't a real difference between the x570 and b550 on this form factor. The upcoming release of these boards is just going to be another shipment of x570 boards for maybe a lower price.
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EliteRetard - Thursday, May 21, 2020 - link
I think Asus is seriously confused.Why would anyone buy a B550 above $200 where most premium X570 start?
Did they accidentally add $79 to each board?
$55-200 would certainly be far more sane.
willis936 - Thursday, May 21, 2020 - link
They expect you to pay a premium for their sub-par reliability and BIOS update track record. I mean marketing.Alistair - Thursday, May 21, 2020 - link
That pricing can't be right, wow. The old prime is $70-80, the new one is $134? So much for saving money with AMD motherboards.hetzbh - Thursday, May 21, 2020 - link
Look at the text. You're getting a high end audio solution, WiFI 6, and Intel I225-V 2.5 G Ethernet controller. All of these cost money.Alistair - Thursday, May 21, 2020 - link
You're getting none of that in the prime model...yankeeDDL - Friday, May 22, 2020 - link
He's referring to the $200+ model.How can you compare without all the details?
johnthacker - Thursday, May 21, 2020 - link
Yes, but those 3 things are also in the $209 Asus ROG STRIX B550-F GAMING (WI-FI), according to what's been reported. So I suspect that there's something else going on that differentiates the B550-E from the B550-F.I know that their X570-E compared to the X570F has dual LAN (1G and 2.5G), but that doesn't seem like enough to justify $70. We'll have to see a more detailed breakdown.
erotomania - Thursday, June 4, 2020 - link
B550-E seems to have PCIe switch. It can do (x8/x8)+x4 or x16+x4. B550-F can only do x16 and x4.Hxx - Thursday, May 21, 2020 - link
those things are not pricey they just market well. High end audio? like high end variant of the 1220 codec? lol . the days of dedicated sound cards with high end board are long gone. Wifi 6 was on x570 and the nic is like 3 or 4 bux i forgot but its on intels website. total 80 bux apparently.Chaitanya - Friday, May 22, 2020 - link
To certain degree B550 seems to replace X370 and X470 chipsets rather than B450. Connectivity and Power delivery on these boards is a massive upgrade(some are better than intels Z490 offerings in same price range). While yes Asus seem to be overcharging as usual but all their competitors are bringing good offerings to table.yankeeDDL - Friday, May 22, 2020 - link
Let's not forget that these boards can now drive 16 cores/32 T (most likely) + GPU that beats entry level discrete GPU.yankeeDDL - Friday, May 22, 2020 - link
You can get "everything else" without having to pay for the X570.It does make some sense: getting a B550 doesn't mean you can't enjoy premium audio or WiFi 6, but you'd need to pay. The X570 in that price range probably will not offer those.
Gastec - Sunday, May 24, 2020 - link
Asus has steadily increased prices while lowering the quality of all their products, ever the last 5 years. Their Marketing, as well as that of their competition,has instead reached new heights. You only have to visit their web sites to "experience" it for yourselves.BorneoBoy - Saturday, May 30, 2020 - link
Where did you see the Asus pricing for B550?LiKenun - Thursday, May 21, 2020 - link
I hope these are fanless. The X570 models have fans which makes a silent solution impossible.thejaredhuang - Thursday, May 21, 2020 - link
Both of the boards above do not look like they have fans.The pricing really shows a huge transformation in the market status quo. The 300 series boards were all significantly cheaper and less premium because of AMD's market share, now we have $600+ X570s and $250+ B550s.
liquid_c - Friday, May 22, 2020 - link
I kept telling people that once their marketshare will grow, AMD will practice the same pricing scheme like Intel. I hope they get their shit together and fix all their BIOS issues, RAM compatibility issues and so on and so forth.Zoolook - Friday, May 22, 2020 - link
How do you mean that AMD is responsible for the pricing of the motherboards, I'm interested to find out?Eulytaur - Friday, May 22, 2020 - link
Since Vermeer is taking so long (September) even if they can launch in a month, they'll hopefully have enough time to get most set in terms of these issuesDug - Thursday, May 21, 2020 - link
It is possible.. but you would have to actually get the correct motherboard. You do realize most never actually spin up except the boot up test?I should know because I'm a noise freak and have my notua fans at 500rpm max which is under threshold for noise in my room. This is coming from someone that won't watercool because there isn't a pump made that is quiet enough.
Sttm - Thursday, May 21, 2020 - link
"coming from someone that won't watercool because there isn't a pump made that is quiet enough"Hahahha! Me Too! Pump noise is the worst.
Fans at least you can set to a constant rate and the noise blends into the background.
Hyper72 - Thursday, May 21, 2020 - link
I was worried about the fan when I got such a ASRock X570M Pro4 board and when I first switched it on there was a shockingly high whine. However, there are a "chipset fan silent mode" setting in BIOS and with this it's completely silent. I suspect it'll only kick in with a high load on the PCI controller and with just a M.2 SSD and a GFX card - the bus is just mostly sleeping. I hear the same from others; nobody saturates a Gen4 link, or even a Gen3 so mobos with good BIOSs will keep the fan quiet.Death666Angel - Thursday, May 21, 2020 - link
"PCIe Interface from Chipset B450 3.0" It's supposed to be 2.0, I think. At least that is how I read ATs own B450 article and how ever motherboard I researched had it configured. 3.0 for the PEG and one M.2 slot, everything else 2.0.DigitalFreak - Thursday, May 21, 2020 - link
Correctjohnthacker - Thursday, May 21, 2020 - link
Possibly whoever made the table confused the Chipset to CPU uplink (which is 3.0 in both B450 and B550 and not a row present in the table) and the general purpose lanes from the Chipset, which are 2.0 in B450 and 3.0 in B550.Ryan Smith - Thursday, May 21, 2020 - link
You are correct, sir!Apologies for the error on our part and thanks for the heads up. It's been corrected.
Holliday75 - Friday, May 22, 2020 - link
And this is why I have been coming here for 20+ years. Great articles and when simple mistakes are made you are willing to admit it and correct it.Slash3 - Wednesday, June 3, 2020 - link
It makes me glad to see errors fixed, but I wish they weren't so frequent. :DDeath666Angel - Friday, May 22, 2020 - link
Cheers! *tips hat* :Dmrvco - Thursday, May 21, 2020 - link
I'll be waiting patiently for B550 Mini-ITX availability.dromoxen - Thursday, May 28, 2020 - link
Or with (cash) baited Breath ? as long as its got good audio, and two! or more , M.2 socketsjohnxfire - Thursday, May 21, 2020 - link
The TUF B550 Gaming PLUS Wifi has AX and 2.5gb LAN... The "higher end" X570 has AC and 1gb LAN... Kinda annoyed ASUS bumped up the B550 and didnt do so earlier on X570The_Assimilator - Thursday, May 21, 2020 - link
It's almost like the X570 is an older model!shabby - Thursday, May 21, 2020 - link
I'm sure once ryzen 4000 comes out they'll release updated mobos.dotjaz - Thursday, May 21, 2020 - link
How else would they be able to do an upgraded modelSivar - Thursday, May 21, 2020 - link
The change I am looking for is: Do these motherboards use a fan?I already bought an X470 board due to the fan issue, but I'd like to be able to use a PCIe4.0 board for builds I put together for family. A chipset fan will not be part of those builds.
mooninite - Thursday, May 21, 2020 - link
Praise the lord! Something besides 1GB NICs!LiKenun - Thursday, May 21, 2020 - link
I’ve been looking for 10GbE on 4x4 motherboards (the ones with embedded Ryzen). Apparently, the embedded Ryzens support 2 10GbE NICs, but only one board has ever been produced with support for it, and it got discontinued in less than a year after release. 10GbE is really hard for some reason even with all these advancements.watzupken - Thursday, May 21, 2020 - link
Looks good and certainly a good alternative over X570 to avoid having any fan on it. Hopefully the availability is going to be good as well.Oxford Guy - Thursday, May 21, 2020 - link
I'm sure they'll all follow Gigabyte's lead and charge and arm + a leg + an ear + a few fingers to get the fanless model in their stack.azfacea - Friday, May 22, 2020 - link
thank you AMD for bringing 2.5 G ethernet and pcie 4 into sub 200 motherboard range.And go fuck yourself intel.
liquid_c - Friday, May 22, 2020 - link
You’re immensely dumb. You’re paying extra for something you’re not even using, at the moment. Do you have 2.5 G ethernet at home? Or how many components using pcie 4 are you using? Are you that blind as to not observe the slow but steady price increase of AMD’s boards? God damn it, some people will accept a tree up their ass as long as it from their favourite brand.Zoolook - Friday, May 22, 2020 - link
Do you realize that the 2.5G nic has nothing to do with AMD, that it's a choice made by ASUS?And that it's an intel nic? Which is good, it's one of their remaining strenghts.
azfacea - Friday, May 22, 2020 - link
do u realize that more often than not its realtek not intel NIC in amd mobos. and not by accident, one of intel's popular NIC relied on a MAC inside the intel chipset, and intel sold the standalone NIC at a premium. And that the intel 2.5G client NIC came out a full year after realtek brought one out for the masses. Gee i wonder why.do u also realize that choices made by ASUS such as 2.5 G or backward compatibility all seem to be dramatically different when its AMD mobos vs intel mobos ?? hmmm i never knew ASUS was part of a conspiracy to undercut intel.
of course in the middle of all this excess realization you failed to realize my comment was pcie4 as well and not just 2.5G Ethernet.
If all you wanted to do was to shil for intel and point out that intel has always had much greater market share in networking, you just made intel look a lot worse not better.
Spunjji - Friday, May 22, 2020 - link
I think the guy you're ranting at here was replying to liquid_c, not you..!abufrejoval - Friday, June 5, 2020 - link
I have NBase-T switches in my home lab & family network, with 10Gbit NICs where I have enough PCIe lanes to fit them, 2.5GBit USB 3 adapters where not (laptops, mostly). Most of the traffic is East-West to clustered SSD and RAID storage, not North towards the Internet, which doesn't reach 1Gbit/s yet. 1 vs 10Gbit makes a difference, when you keep your backup storage powered off between backups (helps with ransomware).10Gbit NIC cost is below €100, 2.5Gbit USB3 sells below €50, NBase-T ports are around €50/port on my desktop class unnoticeable noise switches from Buffalo and Netgear.
A single PCIe 4 lane would be enough to offer 10Gbit Ethernet, but AFAIK there are no NICs nor onboard options yet. Most current chipsets take 4 lanes of PCIe 2 for 10Gbit or 8 lanes for dual.
Not everybody has the same requirements as you. It doesn't make them dumb.
Operandi - Friday, May 22, 2020 - link
Are there any higher-end mATX options this round? ASRock probably had the best option in the Steel Legend but it wasn't particularly great.I don't need or want a behemoth ATX case and board with a sole (graphics) card and a bunch of dead space. ATX is a dumb waste of space and iTX is too limiting...
johnp_ - Saturday, May 23, 2020 - link
$2.40https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/produc...
Ghostline91 - Sunday, May 24, 2020 - link
How are the performance on these boards? Would also like to see the boards from biostar and asrock too.Omnomme - Monday, June 1, 2020 - link
I'm building a mini-ITX pc. The only real difference between the x570 and b550 are the max sata cables and max usb ports. Since mini-ITX already has to improvise and cut down on the amount of ports and PCIE slots, there really isn't a real difference between the x570 and b550 on this form factor. The upcoming release of these boards is just going to be another shipment of x570 boards for maybe a lower price.