Curved screen? No thanks, I wish samsung would patent that and so that nobody could actually repeat that dumb shit. A decent phone wasted by retarded curved screen.
Yeah, not a fan of the glass backs for this reason. But if you want wireless charging...
I kinda hope Apple moves to a thing where they have maybe a glass circle on the back, maybe where the Apple logo is, and metal everywhere else. Then use magnets to mate the charge area nicely with the charging mat. Of course we'll get the usual complaints about how charging now doesn't work conveniently except on Apple mats, but it would actually be rather nice. And the iPad shows how with clever magnet placement you can really get things to snap into place exactly where you want them, not offset at all.
Please enlighten us, what the curved display is for? To me, it’s the most dumbest design ever on a viewing display. It’s totally useless, beside making me dizzy when I turn to landscape mode on some website that doesn’t support mobile version.
I find the curved display useful for the edge functionality (swipe from the curved bit to bring up a panel of shortcuts) but it makes the phone a pain to hold and use without a case. I think it is there for looks which makes perfect sense. The "yay or nay" in a phone shop happens very quickly apparently and you'll put any handling difficulties there down to the security restraint that stops you nicking the phone.
I think it's a love or hate thing for most. I like the look of it but usability and potential for dropping (holding so carefully so as not to trigger the edge of the screen) is a right PITA.
Because diffrent people like diffrent things. I still want friggin' bezels so they don't have to break the screen to shove a camera through it, and so I have somewhere to hold the device that isn't actually touchscreen.
Ever tried to put on a screen protector to a curved screen? You cannot buy something cheap(er). You then apply a curved protector that doesn't really fit properly. Curved screens offer you absolutely nothing... NOTHING... over a flat screen.
Samsung have a feature where if you put the phone face down, it mutes it but flashes on the side curves when you have a call. Great for if you need silence but want to be notified without he annoying vibrating on a table in the middle of a meeting....
It's designed to break. That's really the biggest issue. Can't use a screen protector, and a case has a hard time protecting that edge, which is exposed. If something is designed to be shit, but "look good", I'm against it.
I recently switched from an iPhone 7 to a Note 10+, so I can give some insight from someone used to flat screens.
My biggest issue is that (even with a good case) it picks up touches while just holding the phone. If I'm not paying attention to my grip, I end up touching the curved part which can cause mis-taps or make the device think I'm doing a multi-touch gesture.
Another (minor for me) issue is that it can distort full screen games and videos; this isn't a huge deal as I don't game much on my phone and generally only watch short videos in multi-window mode (portrait orientation) but I can see it being annoying for more media-oriented folks.
And while I am careful with my device, I can definitely see an issue with fragility. Cases for curved screens can't cover the curved edge so it's exposed to drops and knocks more than a flat screen would be.
Have to disagree with the comments about cases etc not covering properly, I have a S20 Ultra my Wife has the note 10+, previously we had Huawei P30 and Mate 20s all these have the curved screens and we had the same cases on all they protect edges and the screen whilst flat another bonus is the camera flash can be used to alert you as it reflects through the whole case have the same case on my work Iphone too
I've purchased 2 moto's and 2 for my mother. They are ok, but do not have the support that Samsung or the google devices have. Good bang for the buck. But not great on android updates.
Exactly, any Android device needs to guarantee at least 2 years of major version updates plus 1 year of extended security updates. Motorola/Lenovo has a shitty record on this.
Good point, important to consider. @Andrei, please include update commitment/policy when you do the full review of this and similar "flagship" devices. I had bad experiences with some (LG, hang your head in shame), and surprisingly good ones with others. Most recent with my Xiaomi MiMax2, which did get an update to Android 10. I almost didn't expect that for an older, middle-class Android phone.
This was in the article. May have been added later or you may have missed it.
"Motorola had come to its senses last year by reintroducing the headphone jack in the Z4, and the two new edge phones also feature the jack – making them, alongside with LG and now Sony, one of the rare flagship devices in 2020 still sporting it."
I know it is MSRP and stuff. But it is still competing against the RealMe X2 Pro for 470€ (got it from their Ebay shop with a 10% discount for 410€), OnePlus 7T on the way out, which has better everything for 530€, Pixel 4 stuff for about 550€ or 650€. Anyone who is buying this Motorola at that MSRP will probably kick themselves two months later when it is below 400€.
Phone prices have gone insane, it's so bad I can't even put it into words after spending an hour trying. This thought experiment is the best I could do:
Imagine the laptop market behaving this way, doubling prices in a couple years. Now a $350 laptop costs $700 because they finally upgraded from a crap TN 720p to a mediocre IPS 1080p. $600 mid-range units are now $1200 because of incremental upgrades (like new generation CPUs and WiFi cards), and it was also really expensive to remove all the ports and force you to buy new wireless only peripherals. The previous high end $1,000 laptops just get morphed into bizarre monsters for $2500.
"Nobody wanted those old high end options, far to practical! The market demands higher prices and less utility out of the highest end. Lets remove as much battery as possible, reduce performance, make it far less durable and reliable, and justify it all with a new shiny gimmick. Instead of having the laptop hinge under the screen, lets have the screen bend!"
All these insane price increases started with Apple dramatically increasing the price of their iPhones. The herd allowed it and continued snapping up their phones. Other phone makers see that as a sign of the market being ready for higher prices, and the rest is history...
$4500 for my first Motorola phone - needed a back brace if you planned on carrying it around most of the day. Calls were $2-3/min and required you to talk to an operator to place the call. Battery time measured in minutes.
So $500-600 for a phone that is also a camera, GPS, music player, etc for $1-2/day - yeah.
So not far off what we have now. Still over $1000 and you still need the back brace because it is so big. Battery life is worse than it was a decade ago.
Hidden inflation and planned obsolescense. And imagine, in inflation indices they use hedonic adjustments where they adjust the price of goods down because of the increase in "functionality"! At the same time most of the functionality is useless or foisted on you at a price and you have no choice.
That's not exactly true. There are new form factors involved. Phones are just getting bigger and bigger. And this year in particular, there's 5G tax of $100-200.
If you compare baseline 4G S20 to S7, add in 8% inflation, the price only increased $100/€100 .
Close to zero everywhere where? Hidden inflation abounds. Properties, cars, watches, art, all more expensive. Phone prices already mentioned. Food packaging staying the same but content decreasing, this has been proven many times. What is getting cheaper? Some plastic trinket from China?
Not that great, if the most recent Huawei stunt is any indication, getting caught with using a DSLR photo to promote their newest flagship phone camera. Why?
Remember the HTC M7? It was a flagship without a top tier SoC but it was optimised well enough to be an excellent phone. I don't have a problem with a lower end SoC if they've done the leg work to make it responsive, etc. If you're buying a mobile gaming platform or doing something that NEEDs the grunt of a high end SoC, fine. But if they're using a top end one for marketing and to disguise a lack of optimisation, that's a different story.
What are you smoking? SoC represents a very small percentage of the price, 865/765G+RAM would cause ~$100 difference in total. Add on other sacrifices would probably shave another ~$100 off. Then storage another $100 off. This is actually $500/€500 off the top price. It's a pretty good mid-tier phone overall
Why does soc matter that much? Isn't it only a tiny fraction of BOM?
PS Curious how we can get decent laptops with 10+ hours of battery for the price lower than "flagship phone". Yes, I know it's 'smaller form factor' and yadayada.
Nice phone, but just like the others with heavily curved displays I'd never buy one. Learned that lesson with a Galaxy S8. Dropped it twice, twice it fell on the screen and broke it. Probably because I couldn't get a toughened glass protector for it, only a flexible plastic one. Love the look, hate the practicality (and repair bills). OPMMV.
The phone doesn't have even a little that says it's a Motorola device. It just looks like mish mash of all Chinese phones and Samsung display style. Expected since Google sold this to Lenovo.
The phone's cost is very high for that SoC chip, and what's the $999 for that Verizon Excl. Man these phones are too expensive, planned obsolescence at obscene levels. The good part is it has a 3.5mm jack but removed SD slot.
I don't know what to say on these prices, this year Apple will increase iPhone 12 price again, then Samsung will copy that, followed by all these OEMs. $1000 product just for consumption and dispose in trash after 1 year due to degraded battery or upgrade.
Stop upgrading too often. Do it once every 5 years and make a wallet-conscious choice. I upgrades to a Xs Max 2 years ago, when it launched, from an old 5S. 5 years on the neck. This time, i think i can push for 6-7, easily. Do the same and it will feel like less of a huge investment.
I'd be inclined to agree, except the batteries are usually hammered by year 3. I replaced my S7 after 3.5 years not for any performance reasons, but because the battery wasn't lasting all day anymore.
A good battery cost less than $15 on eBay. Then you go on YouTube and learn how to replace the battery yourself. It’s not that hard. I’ve found that some aftermarket battery are actually made by the same company who’s making the batteries for OEMs. Some model has extended capacity. I’d always recommended a certain aftermarket battery brand over brand names for my customers. Trust me, I’ve replaced thousands of phones’ batteries, mostly iPhones’.
Unfortunately Motorola won't even support the SW for a year, you'll have phones like the Z2 Force that are out of date within 12 months of release. Ppl have to be crazy to trust Motorola anymore. Their phones are designed to be disposable now.
Battery capacity is good. 3.5mm headphone jack is nice too. Non-removable battery, no SD storage, and a curved edge screen pretty much flush the design into the same wasteful, stupid place the majority of other modern phones go. A pity too since we are happily killing off our only home with disposable objects intended to be disposed of in less than two years that could easily endure twice that long given a few thoughtful capabilities.
That is how "economy" works these days. Disposable life, noone gives a sht about environment, including the customers themselves, just a lip service. The only ones who care about environment are politicians, they can raise taxes for their own pocket on the back of environment issues.
I care about the environment because my lung is weak. I’ve been using the iPhone 6s as my daily driver since released. I just replaced the battery and it’s good as new. The other phone I have is Axon 7 mini for music and movies and such. Not planning to upgrade any time soon.
We should educate people around us about wasteful spendings. Oh well, who am I kidding? The US economy is based on debt. A poor person can drive a new car and have a new iPhone as long as he/she commits to being a slave. Who can resist the temptation of having nice things?
In many many countries people live indebted, not just US. Take a loan on a house, on a car, on a second bigger car, 5 TVs, latest baddest iphone each year, borrow to go on holiday...I cannot understand how people can live like that, where do they get means to pay off all that stuff on monthly basis? If I had all that stuff on debt/leasing I would be repossessed in a years time, I am sure. How are these people live year after year? Do they have special get out of jail cards or something, are they protected minorities of some sort?
I agree. We should genuinely starting legislating against such wasteful designs, because companies don't have any incentive to do so. This is not the Motorola that designed the Droid Turbo 2, with the shatterproof screen. This is not the Motorola that designed generations of phones with grippy ass kevlar backing so it didn't just slide out of your hand on to the floor. This isn't the motorola that left a raised edge around the screen to protect it. No, this is the new Chinese Motorola, that wants to sell you an enormous, easy to drop, easy to break piece of junk.
Considering how Motorola like to use action words (such as power, play, action, zoom, sport) for their electronics, perhaps you should refrain from saying "sports" when you mean "has" or "offers" in these reviews.
I wonder why they went out of their way to put a reader behind the glass on the front, instead of on the back where it is more natural and easier to use.
Face ID is a solution to a problem which never existed. Fingerprint sensors were (and still are, on phones that offer them) fast, accurate, reliable. Face ID is not as reliable, costs extra money in R&D (passed down to the consumers of course), requires an ugly fringe. No thanks
I disagree, faceid is much better than finger print sensors. I’d expect any high end phone in this day and age to have faceid as standard. No faceid no buy.
Have fun with life when a biometric authentication mechanism you cannot change ever is compromised, buddy. I'll take two factor password and e-mailed code combinations for important stuff and as for my phone, why even lock it at all? Get a cheap handset and don't leave anything critical on it and don't link it to financials or install apps that give people a window into your important stuff. Leaving that junk on an easily stolen device that you're locking with fixed physical features and allowing Google and everyone under the sun to monitor on a 24x7 basis is more than a little risky for the health and welfare of your privacy and personal security.
maybe also a urine test? No urine drop on the screen - no login? Maybe a smear as well? Maybe an "voluntarily installed" app "not saving data" that checks if you were within a specified distance of someone with covid (or whatever else) and puts you in quarantine automatically? More and better controls, please!
Fingerprint might work for you... But some people still use, tear and wear our hands working on a daily basis. I work as an electrician and all my coworkers also face this problem: Fingerprint sensors just doesn't work for honest hardworking people! I wonder if oems doesn't know this?
Why is the headphone jack on top an issue? I really don't want to lose my 3.5mm when I eventually upgrade so these phones are a consideration.
As for the price, if that's for their "no compromises" model, as suggested in the review, I don't see that as a particularly bad price. That's for the money no object brigade and they're competing on features at that end, not price.
You stick the phones into the jack and put the phone top down into the pocket so that the cable does not disconnect/get damaged from an unintentional jerk/pull. Actually it is great to have jack on the top. That is how it is on my current Pixel XL.
5000mah battery in a phone that thin and light is Impressive but I’m naturally concerned about Motorola screwing up the software aspect of these phones.
So... that's it then. All new top range mobile phones are now at £1,000+.
Consumers really are a bunch of silly, silly people. Can't we all see that we're being drip fed improvements at MAXIMUM cost to ourselves? Heck, I'm just glad that Huawei at least brought improved cameras to phones, otherwise we'd still be using 24mp crappy cams.
People buy these things. This is all discretionary spending, not essential to good life. But they think they need the latest greatest with multitude of functions most of which they will not use to show off the wealth they often do not have. Companies oblige. The fool and his money are soon parted.
Bad decision with the curved display. Damn, every single freaking manufacturer is doing fashion items instead of USABLE items. I want a 6 inch, bezel less display, the size of Galaxy S7, no curves, no nothing. No more than 150g, otherwise I am carying a brick.
Don't really care about the edge screen.. But the 90hz refresh is good in that you get smoother scroll and eats less battery. I've got the s20 plus and I turn off 120hz bc it drains battery too much (plus you can enable high res w it).
The edge+ is an interesting unit, but not at the current MSRP - Moto phone at Apple prices? @Andrei and others: why do the battery capacities of even larger and heavier flagship "stop" at 5,000 mAh? Are larger batteries (around 6,000 mAh) really that much heavier? Maybe I should start with this question: How much weight does an extra 1,000 mAh add to a battery's mass?
I think it's an issue with thickness rather than weight. It's already 9mm, and adding 1000mAh will probably add another 1-2mm, making it a bit too unwieldly.
Nevertheless, it's kind of funny how 5000mAh is not enough when phones 4 years ago 9Samsung S7 era) came with 3000mAh as standard and that was considered big.
Agree, but my thinking is that once a phone is big and over 150 g, may as well go a bit bigger and heavier and get more battery. I appreciate the extra mileage I get from my 5,000 mAh battery, and wouldn't mind an extra 1,000. But then, I also like larger screens (over 6.7 "), as I use my phone a lot for reading and typing. So, a phone about this size, no edge, but with a microSD card slot and over 5,000 mAh battery would be great. Now, if we could just get the price down a bit, too.
I've owned several Motorolas. They were great -- no extraneous bloatware, rapid updates, reasonable cost. That came to a screeching halt when Lenovo bought the company. Updates vanished. I was actually told by customer service at Motorola to get my updates "from the carrier from which you purchased the phone." I purchased it directly from Motorola, not through a carrier. I told them that and they reiterated get it from the carrier.
So even if they didn't have that brain damaged curved screen, I wouldn't purchase one. BTW, the only reason the curved screen is there is because all the reviewers and pundits complain endlessly about bezels. Bezels prevent accidental presses. That's a feature, not a bug.
What's amazing is that certain apps move the "send" button AWAY from the edge for this exact reason, actually resulting in MORE MISSED PRESSES. Oh my god.
And its position is not even configurable, because all these new programmers are from the future, and in the future, we don't need options.
This thickness really surprised me, and the screen is more curved than I anticipated, and a 8MP f/2.4 3x(probably no larger than 1/3.4") in this crazy thickness(with a further bump, no less) is quite clearly cutting corners, a 4x 1/2.6" like S20U definitely would fit. Obviously there are tradeoffs between the flagships that retain the headphone jack.
I don't get it. What's the point of 12 Gigabytes of LPDDR5 on a smartphone? And why is the 12GB RAM/236 GB storage phone priced at 1000-1200€ and the other phone, with half the memory, LESS battery, slower modem and only USB 2.0, why is it NOT half the price? How can those 700€ be justified?
Edges on phones do look very nice, but in practice, they are a right pain in the arse and along with glass backs, one of the most stupid trends to come to smartphones.
The only somewhat decent edge I've used was the Galaxy Note Edge, because the edge was big enough to show information without taking too much away from the main display, and was only on one side so was much harder to accidentally touch. In the end, it wasn't that useful though, mainly because Samsung basically gave up on it very quickly.
I will never buy another Motorola. I got suckered into spending $300 for their Droid Bionic in 2011 and it didn't give me two years before problems including corrupted memory and a bloated battery, both I attribute to thermal problems. There's a reason that model didn't even have 1 year of lifespan on the store shelves before getting replaced.
Regarding the curved screen, I had a Note 5 and then upgraded to a Note 9 thinking I might like the curved screen for novelty. WRONG! You can't read text on the side of the screen and more crucial for a Note and the S-pen, you are more limited in how far you can write something towards the sides. But I'll live with it over an iBotphone any day.
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Peskarik - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
That is actually interesting, both of the units. But I wait for reviews. I have no trust in Motorola.timecop1818 - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
Curved screen? No thanks, I wish samsung would patent that and so that nobody could actually repeat that dumb shit. A decent phone wasted by retarded curved screen.rocketman122 - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
A decent phone wasted by retarded curved screen.absolutely
I have no trust in Motorola.
same here
lenovo
for these $1000+ prices i have no issue picking up at half price next year
BedfordTim - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
Don't forget the glass back which adds weight and fragility while spending its entire life hidden by a case.eastcoast_pete - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
Agree! I'd rather have that extra weight go towards a bigger battery; that's something I could really use!name99 - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
Yeah, not a fan of the glass backs for this reason. But if you want wireless charging...I kinda hope Apple moves to a thing where they have maybe a glass circle on the back, maybe where the Apple logo is, and metal everywhere else. Then use magnets to mate the charge area nicely with the charging mat. Of course we'll get the usual complaints about how charging now doesn't work conveniently except on Apple mats, but it would actually be rather nice.
And the iPad shows how with clever magnet placement you can really get things to snap into place exactly where you want them, not offset at all.
deskjob - Tuesday, April 28, 2020 - link
I never wanted wireless charging. Less efficient process creating more waste heat to better cook your battery with.Totally agree - would love metal back with a small window to make wireless charging people happy.
s.yu - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
You could genuinely get a frame, which leaves the back open(also prevents heat insulation), as I have done for 2 devices in a row.Peskarik - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
I agree on the curved screen.Is the camera on this Motorola same as on Xiaomi?
BedfordTim - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
It is the same 27MP sensor as the Xiaomi so the resolution is higher than the diffraction limit.eastcoast_pete - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
Isn't that called "empty magnification" in optical engineering?yankeeDDL - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
I have an S8 and my wife has an S10. Love the curved screen: why the fuss?sonny73n - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
Please enlighten us, what the curved display is for? To me, it’s the most dumbest design ever on a viewing display. It’s totally useless, beside making me dizzy when I turn to landscape mode on some website that doesn’t support mobile version.yeeeeman - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
He likes it because it looks nice. But functionally it is a nightmare.philehidiot - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
I find the curved display useful for the edge functionality (swipe from the curved bit to bring up a panel of shortcuts) but it makes the phone a pain to hold and use without a case. I think it is there for looks which makes perfect sense. The "yay or nay" in a phone shop happens very quickly apparently and you'll put any handling difficulties there down to the security restraint that stops you nicking the phone.I think it's a love or hate thing for most. I like the look of it but usability and potential for dropping (holding so carefully so as not to trigger the edge of the screen) is a right PITA.
Lord of the Bored - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
Because diffrent people like diffrent things.I still want friggin' bezels so they don't have to break the screen to shove a camera through it, and so I have somewhere to hold the device that isn't actually touchscreen.
Gastec - Saturday, April 25, 2020 - link
The problem is when those different people impose a fashion trend overnight on the rest of the World.damianrobertjones - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
Ever tried to put on a screen protector to a curved screen? You cannot buy something cheap(er). You then apply a curved protector that doesn't really fit properly. Curved screens offer you absolutely nothing... NOTHING... over a flat screen.Speedfriend - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
Samsung have a feature where if you put the phone face down, it mutes it but flashes on the side curves when you have a call. Great for if you need silence but want to be notified without he annoying vibrating on a table in the middle of a meeting....but that is about it on positives...
brucethemoose - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
Android phones used to do this with the camera flash LED.yetanotherhuman - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
It's designed to break. That's really the biggest issue.Can't use a screen protector, and a case has a hard time protecting that edge, which is exposed.
If something is designed to be shit, but "look good", I'm against it.
Gastec - Saturday, April 25, 2020 - link
It breaks, you buy another one. "Only" 1000€. And next year you buy the 2000€ one with 64 GB of RAM because moar iz gut.kaidenshi - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
I recently switched from an iPhone 7 to a Note 10+, so I can give some insight from someone used to flat screens.My biggest issue is that (even with a good case) it picks up touches while just holding the phone. If I'm not paying attention to my grip, I end up touching the curved part which can cause mis-taps or make the device think I'm doing a multi-touch gesture.
Another (minor for me) issue is that it can distort full screen games and videos; this isn't a huge deal as I don't game much on my phone and generally only watch short videos in multi-window mode (portrait orientation) but I can see it being annoying for more media-oriented folks.
And while I am careful with my device, I can definitely see an issue with fragility. Cases for curved screens can't cover the curved edge so it's exposed to drops and knocks more than a flat screen would be.
alufan - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
Have to disagree with the comments about cases etc not covering properly, I have a S20 Ultra my Wife has the note 10+, previously we had Huawei P30 and Mate 20s all these have the curved screens and we had the same cases on all they protect edges and the screen whilst flat another bonus is the camera flash can be used to alert you as it reflects through the whole case have the same case on my work Iphone toohttps://www.spigen.co.uk/cell-phone/samsung/galaxy...
Tams80 - Saturday, April 25, 2020 - link
If only there was something like a small LED you could have, that could flash to notify you of something.We could call it... a notification LED.
twtech - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
The big problem with it is the durability issue - it's really hard to properly protect the screen, when the front edge needs to be exposed.motopen1s - Saturday, April 25, 2020 - link
Curved screen does ruin otherwise excellent specs indeed.HideOut - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
I've purchased 2 moto's and 2 for my mother. They are ok, but do not have the support that Samsung or the google devices have. Good bang for the buck. But not great on android updates.dotjaz - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
Exactly, any Android device needs to guarantee at least 2 years of major version updates plus 1 year of extended security updates. Motorola/Lenovo has a shitty record on this.Kepe - Sunday, April 26, 2020 - link
Motorola has only promised one Android version updgrade for these new Edge models. That's just unacceptable.eastcoast_pete - Friday, April 24, 2020 - link
Good point, important to consider. @Andrei, please include update commitment/policy when you do the full review of this and similar "flagship" devices. I had bad experiences with some (LG, hang your head in shame), and surprisingly good ones with others. Most recent with my Xiaomi MiMax2, which did get an update to Android 10. I almost didn't expect that for an older, middle-class Android phone.flyingpants265 - Friday, April 24, 2020 - link
Uh.. no, it isn't interesting stuff. This is a clone of every other phone on the market.Realme and Vivo phones are this for $150 USD.
Peskarik - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
You forgot Sony, Andrei, Xperia 1 II will have 3.5mm as well.philehidiot - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
This was in the article. May have been added later or you may have missed it."Motorola had come to its senses last year by reintroducing the headphone jack in the Z4, and the two new edge phones also feature the jack – making them, alongside with LG and now Sony, one of the rare flagship devices in 2020 still sporting it."
"Sony" is linked to the Xperia 1 II.
Peskarik - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
Was added a minute after my comment. :-)shabby - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
"extremely reasonable at 699€"What are you smoking Andrei? That's a midrange soc in that phone.
Andrei Frumusanu - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
While still retaining a high-end screen and arguably still a high-end camera setup.shabby - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
Like the oneplus 8? Still overpriced imo.rocketman122 - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
Like the oneplus 8?Still overpricedgarbage phones. mediocre cameras year after year
suckers will pay-
way overpriced
Death666Angel - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
I know it is MSRP and stuff. But it is still competing against the RealMe X2 Pro for 470€ (got it from their Ebay shop with a 10% discount for 410€), OnePlus 7T on the way out, which has better everything for 530€, Pixel 4 stuff for about 550€ or 650€. Anyone who is buying this Motorola at that MSRP will probably kick themselves two months later when it is below 400€.EliteRetard - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
Phone prices have gone insane, it's so bad I can't even put it into words after spending an hour trying. This thought experiment is the best I could do:Imagine the laptop market behaving this way, doubling prices in a couple years.
Now a $350 laptop costs $700 because they finally upgraded from a crap TN 720p to a mediocre IPS 1080p. $600 mid-range units are now $1200 because of incremental upgrades (like new generation CPUs and WiFi cards), and it was also really expensive to remove all the ports and force you to buy new wireless only peripherals. The previous high end $1,000 laptops just get morphed into bizarre monsters for $2500.
"Nobody wanted those old high end options, far to practical! The market demands higher prices and less utility out of the highest end. Lets remove as much battery as possible, reduce performance, make it far less durable and reliable, and justify it all with a new shiny gimmick. Instead of having the laptop hinge under the screen, lets have the screen bend!"
Aephe - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
Isn't that exactly what happened with laptops though? It definitely feels like that.Aloonatic - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
Haven't laptop process been creeping up, and things are going missing? Not at the same rate, but they have been.Anyway, it will be interesting how tech responds to the new global economy.
People are going to be way poorer soon thanks to mass unemployment and people who are employed being paid less on a huge scale.
Most people couldn't really afford these devices before, now they really can't and it'll be interesting to see if people wake up to this.
ClarenceNg - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
All these insane price increases started with Apple dramatically increasing the price of their iPhones. The herd allowed it and continued snapping up their phones. Other phone makers see that as a sign of the market being ready for higher prices, and the rest is history...Deicidium369 - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
$4500 for my first Motorola phone - needed a back brace if you planned on carrying it around most of the day. Calls were $2-3/min and required you to talk to an operator to place the call. Battery time measured in minutes.So $500-600 for a phone that is also a camera, GPS, music player, etc for $1-2/day - yeah.
sonny73n - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
Absurd. You’re comparing today product to one that was made 30 years ago?BedfordTim - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
So not far off what we have now. Still over $1000 and you still need the back brace because it is so big. Battery life is worse than it was a decade ago.Peskarik - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
Hidden inflation and planned obsolescense.And imagine, in inflation indices they use hedonic adjustments where they adjust the price of goods down because of the increase in "functionality"! At the same time most of the functionality is useless or foisted on you at a price and you have no choice.
dotjaz - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
That's not exactly true. There are new form factors involved. Phones are just getting bigger and bigger. And this year in particular, there's 5G tax of $100-200.If you compare baseline 4G S20 to S7, add in 8% inflation, the price only increased $100/€100 .
dontlistentome - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
8%? Inflation is close to zero everywhere. Handy fudge for your argument, though.Peskarik - Friday, April 24, 2020 - link
Close to zero everywhere where? Hidden inflation abounds. Properties, cars, watches, art, all more expensive. Phone prices already mentioned. Food packaging staying the same but content decreasing, this has been proven many times. What is getting cheaper? Some plastic trinket from China?syxbit - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
High end camera? We'll have to see. High end hardware maybe, but will it take better photos than the $399 Pixel 3a/4a?s.yu - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
Get Gcam and solve it yourself.sonny73n - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
How does a “high-end camera” in a phone compare to a low-end DSLR?Marketing gimmicks.
BedfordTim - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
SLR buyers don't get conned by quad pixels smaller than the Airy disc.eastcoast_pete - Friday, April 24, 2020 - link
Not that great, if the most recent Huawei stunt is any indication, getting caught with using a DSLR photo to promote their newest flagship phone camera. Why?philehidiot - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
Remember the HTC M7? It was a flagship without a top tier SoC but it was optimised well enough to be an excellent phone. I don't have a problem with a lower end SoC if they've done the leg work to make it responsive, etc. If you're buying a mobile gaming platform or doing something that NEEDs the grunt of a high end SoC, fine. But if they're using a top end one for marketing and to disguise a lack of optimisation, that's a different story.Maxpower2727 - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
The M7 used a Snapdragon 600, which was top of the line at the time. The 800 didn't come out until later that year.dotjaz - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
What are you smoking? SoC represents a very small percentage of the price, 865/765G+RAM would cause ~$100 difference in total. Add on other sacrifices would probably shave another ~$100 off. Then storage another $100 off. This is actually $500/€500 off the top price. It's a pretty good mid-tier phone overallmedi05 - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
Why does soc matter that much? Isn't it only a tiny fraction of BOM?PS
Curious how we can get decent laptops with 10+ hours of battery for the price lower than "flagship phone". Yes, I know it's 'smaller form factor' and yadayada.
zamroni - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
That curved edge screen is bad for usability while adding at least $50 to the priceHaawser - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
Nice phone, but just like the others with heavily curved displays I'd never buy one. Learned that lesson with a Galaxy S8. Dropped it twice, twice it fell on the screen and broke it. Probably because I couldn't get a toughened glass protector for it, only a flexible plastic one. Love the look, hate the practicality (and repair bills). OPMMV.sneakyB - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
Who owns Motorola nowdays ? I forgot.Haawser - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
If you mean the company (?) it's Lenovo.sneakyB - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
Thanks yes it's what I was asking for.Quantumz0d - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
The phone doesn't have even a little that says it's a Motorola device. It just looks like mish mash of all Chinese phones and Samsung display style. Expected since Google sold this to Lenovo.The phone's cost is very high for that SoC chip, and what's the $999 for that Verizon Excl. Man these phones are too expensive, planned obsolescence at obscene levels. The good part is it has a 3.5mm jack but removed SD slot.
I don't know what to say on these prices, this year Apple will increase iPhone 12 price again, then Samsung will copy that, followed by all these OEMs. $1000 product just for consumption and dispose in trash after 1 year due to degraded battery or upgrade.
What a horrible cycle.
liquid_c - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
Stop upgrading too often. Do it once every 5 years and make a wallet-conscious choice. I upgrades to a Xs Max 2 years ago, when it launched, from an old 5S. 5 years on the neck. This time, i think i can push for 6-7, easily. Do the same and it will feel like less of a huge investment.drexnx - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
I'd be inclined to agree, except the batteries are usually hammered by year 3. I replaced my S7 after 3.5 years not for any performance reasons, but because the battery wasn't lasting all day anymore.pixelstuff - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
What does it cost, like $30 to replace a battery?meacupla - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
and motorola is one company that does offer official replacement parts and supports 3rd party repairs.philehidiot - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
My S8 had a new battery for about £35. Samsung have meddled to make it chew through battery faster but it still is far more usable.Deicidium369 - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
$10 for a replacement battery on my old Samsung S5 - of course, it had a removable batteryPeskarik - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
Is it hard to load from time to time during the day? Are you in the forest running your phone non-stop or something?sonny73n - Friday, April 24, 2020 - link
A good battery cost less than $15 on eBay. Then you go on YouTube and learn how to replace the battery yourself. It’s not that hard. I’ve found that some aftermarket battery are actually made by the same company who’s making the batteries for OEMs. Some model has extended capacity. I’d always recommended a certain aftermarket battery brand over brand names for my customers. Trust me, I’ve replaced thousands of phones’ batteries, mostly iPhones’.webdoctors - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
Unfortunately Motorola won't even support the SW for a year, you'll have phones like the Z2 Force that are out of date within 12 months of release. Ppl have to be crazy to trust Motorola anymore. Their phones are designed to be disposable now.syxbit - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
Unless they provide a software update guarantee, I can't see why anyone would trust Motorola with $1000. They haven't earned the trust yet.PeachNCream - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
Battery capacity is good. 3.5mm headphone jack is nice too. Non-removable battery, no SD storage, and a curved edge screen pretty much flush the design into the same wasteful, stupid place the majority of other modern phones go. A pity too since we are happily killing off our only home with disposable objects intended to be disposed of in less than two years that could easily endure twice that long given a few thoughtful capabilities.Peskarik - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
That is how "economy" works these days. Disposable life, noone gives a sht about environment, including the customers themselves, just a lip service. The only ones who care about environment are politicians, they can raise taxes for their own pocket on the back of environment issues.sonny73n - Friday, April 24, 2020 - link
I care about the environment because my lung is weak. I’ve been using the iPhone 6s as my daily driver since released. I just replaced the battery and it’s good as new. The other phone I have is Axon 7 mini for music and movies and such. Not planning to upgrade any time soon.We should educate people around us about wasteful spendings. Oh well, who am I kidding? The US economy is based on debt. A poor person can drive a new car and have a new iPhone as long as he/she commits to being a slave. Who can resist the temptation of having nice things?
Peskarik - Friday, April 24, 2020 - link
In many many countries people live indebted, not just US. Take a loan on a house, on a car, on a second bigger car, 5 TVs, latest baddest iphone each year, borrow to go on holiday...I cannot understand how people can live like that, where do they get means to pay off all that stuff on monthly basis? If I had all that stuff on debt/leasing I would be repossessed in a years time, I am sure. How are these people live year after year? Do they have special get out of jail cards or something, are they protected minorities of some sort?yetanotherhuman - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
I agree. We should genuinely starting legislating against such wasteful designs, because companies don't have any incentive to do so. This is not the Motorola that designed the Droid Turbo 2, with the shatterproof screen. This is not the Motorola that designed generations of phones with grippy ass kevlar backing so it didn't just slide out of your hand on to the floor. This isn't the motorola that left a raised edge around the screen to protect it. No, this is the new Chinese Motorola, that wants to sell you an enormous, easy to drop, easy to break piece of junk.Peskarik - Friday, April 24, 2020 - link
Who are "we"? To me "we" ARE the companies, they make the laws for the show and then they water them down to be ineffective and easy to bypass.pixelstuff - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
Considering how Motorola like to use action words (such as power, play, action, zoom, sport) for their electronics, perhaps you should refrain from saying "sports" when you mean "has" or "offers" in these reviews.bug77 - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
Those prices make room for Moto to start overpricing their mid-rangers, too.pixelstuff - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
I wonder why they went out of their way to put a reader behind the glass on the front, instead of on the back where it is more natural and easier to use.mrochester - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
The more pertinent question is why is this missing 3D Face ID in 2020? Unacceptable!Retycint - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
Face ID is a solution to a problem which never existed. Fingerprint sensors were (and still are, on phones that offer them) fast, accurate, reliable. Face ID is not as reliable, costs extra money in R&D (passed down to the consumers of course), requires an ugly fringe. No thanksmrochester - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
I disagree, faceid is much better than finger print sensors. I’d expect any high end phone in this day and age to have faceid as standard. No faceid no buy.PeachNCream - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
Have fun with life when a biometric authentication mechanism you cannot change ever is compromised, buddy. I'll take two factor password and e-mailed code combinations for important stuff and as for my phone, why even lock it at all? Get a cheap handset and don't leave anything critical on it and don't link it to financials or install apps that give people a window into your important stuff. Leaving that junk on an easily stolen device that you're locking with fixed physical features and allowing Google and everyone under the sun to monitor on a 24x7 basis is more than a little risky for the health and welfare of your privacy and personal security.Peskarik - Friday, April 24, 2020 - link
maybe also a urine test? No urine drop on the screen - no login? Maybe a smear as well? Maybe an "voluntarily installed" app "not saving data" that checks if you were within a specified distance of someone with covid (or whatever else) and puts you in quarantine automatically?More and better controls, please!
Allan_Hundeboll - Friday, April 24, 2020 - link
Fingerprint might work for you...But some people still use, tear and wear our hands working on a daily basis. I work as an electrician and all my coworkers also face this problem: Fingerprint sensors just doesn't work for honest hardworking people!
I wonder if oems doesn't know this?
NICOXIS - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
Android Authority is stating these phone don't have IP rating, is that so?Alex.A - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
€1199? Are they insane?And putting the headphone jack on top is quite unfortunate.
RamIt - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
Agreed. They will certainly will NOT get my money.philehidiot - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
Why is the headphone jack on top an issue? I really don't want to lose my 3.5mm when I eventually upgrade so these phones are a consideration.As for the price, if that's for their "no compromises" model, as suggested in the review, I don't see that as a particularly bad price. That's for the money no object brigade and they're competing on features at that end, not price.
Vitor - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
It is expensive even for what offers. 1080 for 6.7" isnt very sharp.Peskarik - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
You stick the phones into the jack and put the phone top down into the pocket so that the cable does not disconnect/get damaged from an unintentional jerk/pull. Actually it is great to have jack on the top. That is how it is on my current Pixel XL.melgross - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
Yawn.Samus - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
5000mah battery in a phone that thin and light is Impressive but I’m naturally concerned about Motorola screwing up the software aspect of these phones.Alistair - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
This is exactly why I think LG is going bust this year. $700 Euro for a Snapdragon 765 phone. Smh.yetanotherhuman - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
Utterly huge, high price, and curved screen.Why can't they just give me a RAZR MAXX HD again, but with dual SIM and a new SoC?
boozed - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
It's quite largePeskarik - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
It is not that large, it has curved screen and a lot of that 6.7 is eaten by the sides of that screen.damianrobertjones - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
So... that's it then. All new top range mobile phones are now at £1,000+.Consumers really are a bunch of silly, silly people. Can't we all see that we're being drip fed improvements at MAXIMUM cost to ourselves? Heck, I'm just glad that Huawei at least brought improved cameras to phones, otherwise we'd still be using 24mp crappy cams.
Peskarik - Friday, April 24, 2020 - link
People buy these things. This is all discretionary spending, not essential to good life. But they think they need the latest greatest with multitude of functions most of which they will not use to show off the wealth they often do not have. Companies oblige. The fool and his money are soon parted.yeeeeman - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
Bad decision with the curved display. Damn, every single freaking manufacturer is doing fashion items instead of USABLE items. I want a 6 inch, bezel less display, the size of Galaxy S7, no curves, no nothing. No more than 150g, otherwise I am carying a brick.drexnx - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
such a phone exists, it's called the S10e. Even has a 3.5mm!if it weren't for different button placement, my S7 case would have worked on mine
Cliff34 - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
Don't really care about the edge screen.. But the 90hz refresh is good in that you get smoother scroll and eats less battery. I've got the s20 plus and I turn off 120hz bc it drains battery too much (plus you can enable high res w it).eastcoast_pete - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
The edge+ is an interesting unit, but not at the current MSRP - Moto phone at Apple prices?@Andrei and others: why do the battery capacities of even larger and heavier flagship "stop" at 5,000 mAh? Are larger batteries (around 6,000 mAh) really that much heavier? Maybe I should start with this question: How much weight does an extra 1,000 mAh add to a battery's mass?
eastcoast_pete - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
Sorry, adding mass to mass, of course.Retycint - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
I think it's an issue with thickness rather than weight. It's already 9mm, and adding 1000mAh will probably add another 1-2mm, making it a bit too unwieldly.Nevertheless, it's kind of funny how 5000mAh is not enough when phones 4 years ago 9Samsung S7 era) came with 3000mAh as standard and that was considered big.
eastcoast_pete - Friday, April 24, 2020 - link
Agree, but my thinking is that once a phone is big and over 150 g, may as well go a bit bigger and heavier and get more battery. I appreciate the extra mileage I get from my 5,000 mAh battery, and wouldn't mind an extra 1,000. But then, I also like larger screens (over 6.7 "), as I use my phone a lot for reading and typing. So, a phone about this size, no edge, but with a microSD card slot and over 5,000 mAh battery would be great. Now, if we could just get the price down a bit, too.pjcamp - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
I've owned several Motorolas. They were great -- no extraneous bloatware, rapid updates, reasonable cost. That came to a screeching halt when Lenovo bought the company. Updates vanished. I was actually told by customer service at Motorola to get my updates "from the carrier from which you purchased the phone." I purchased it directly from Motorola, not through a carrier. I told them that and they reiterated get it from the carrier.So even if they didn't have that brain damaged curved screen, I wouldn't purchase one. BTW, the only reason the curved screen is there is because all the reviewers and pundits complain endlessly about bezels. Bezels prevent accidental presses. That's a feature, not a bug.
flyingpants265 - Monday, April 27, 2020 - link
What's amazing is that certain apps move the "send" button AWAY from the edge for this exact reason, actually resulting in MORE MISSED PRESSES. Oh my god.And its position is not even configurable, because all these new programmers are from the future, and in the future, we don't need options.
s.yu - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
This thickness really surprised me, and the screen is more curved than I anticipated, and a 8MP f/2.4 3x(probably no larger than 1/3.4") in this crazy thickness(with a further bump, no less) is quite clearly cutting corners, a 4x 1/2.6" like S20U definitely would fit. Obviously there are tradeoffs between the flagships that retain the headphone jack.Gastec - Saturday, April 25, 2020 - link
I don't get it. What's the point of 12 Gigabytes of LPDDR5 on a smartphone? And why is the 12GB RAM/236 GB storage phone priced at 1000-1200€ and the other phone, with half the memory, LESS battery, slower modem and only USB 2.0, why is it NOT half the price? How can those 700€ be justified?Tams80 - Saturday, April 25, 2020 - link
Edges on phones do look very nice, but in practice, they are a right pain in the arse and along with glass backs, one of the most stupid trends to come to smartphones.The only somewhat decent edge I've used was the Galaxy Note Edge, because the edge was big enough to show information without taking too much away from the main display, and was only on one side so was much harder to accidentally touch. In the end, it wasn't that useful though, mainly because Samsung basically gave up on it very quickly.
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PeterCollier - Sunday, May 17, 2020 - link
This phone isn't ip68 rated. The official specs on the Motorola website don't mention ip68. Reviewers have called out the phone as not being ip68.Nfarce - Thursday, May 21, 2020 - link
I will never buy another Motorola. I got suckered into spending $300 for their Droid Bionic in 2011 and it didn't give me two years before problems including corrupted memory and a bloated battery, both I attribute to thermal problems. There's a reason that model didn't even have 1 year of lifespan on the store shelves before getting replaced.Regarding the curved screen, I had a Note 5 and then upgraded to a Note 9 thinking I might like the curved screen for novelty. WRONG! You can't read text on the side of the screen and more crucial for a Note and the S-pen, you are more limited in how far you can write something towards the sides. But I'll live with it over an iBotphone any day.
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