With a 4700U this would be pretty much the ideal laptop. Even a 4600U. And of course FreeSync/G-sync comp. Or just a comparable RDNA 2 GPU once those arrive.
Waiting for the fake accounts claiming they accidentally heard from an engineer at the company that they don't have an AMD version because the CPUs "failed ISV certification" or something to that effect. [don't shoot, true story from the HP Z-series article]
" this " being any thing made from amd. looks at some of the other articles on here, one person posted saying the product, because was made by amd, and not intel., was junk.
Well I expect stuff like that. But that's old news, I'm seeing a lot of new ways to shill these days. Enter the "I have inside knowledge that the AMD CPU failed ISV certification" bullcrap.
Minor point feedback: The first reference to the CPU is missing a 0 (first paragraph).
Is this laptop Athena certified or is Athena more like a set of guidelines makers can meet by bundling together specific choices of CPU, GPU, Connectivity, power? Would both models meet the specs for Athena?
Those who look for smaller packages for portability. I went from Lenovo x230 to MSI GS43VR just for "gaming". Then I chose the T480 w/ MX150 over RBS just because of "brand reputation" (my worst decision, as the T480 cooling was terrible).
My 2019 RBS choice was because of availability (G14 was just annouced) and unknown Linux support for Ryzen+nVidia.
If I would not have bought the RBS in january, I would be looking at the new RBS. But know I'm only interested in retrofitting the display. That was the only compromise I made.
PS: I have a full desktop with RTX2070S, so my laptop is used for IT support (battery life is why I ditched the GS43VR) and playing games in hotel rooms (which is not often, and I don't need ultra quality). PS2: I really don't like G14s screen piece raising the base.
"Included within the Temper 6 CNC precision milled anodized aluminium frame..."
That's laying it on pretty thick with marketing language. I expect that most of this article is pretty much direct from Razer since few people write like that except someone that crawled out of the festering depths of a cube farm full of people that are desperate to keep the department head happy with text that looks like it might dupe someone into buying a product without actually being any sort of lie.
Definitely. As if there were an aluminum-bodied laptop that wasn't CNC machined. I guess you could pour the aluminum into a mold ... not a material scientist here. But CNC is hardly a differentiator.
You can also stamp panels from sheet metal. Those also need additional process steps and added components, but most aluminium laptops are stamped - which is why CNC is a marketing point due to being more expensive, stronger (potentially at least) and lighter.
You obviously haven't realised that AMD is better in pure single thread workloads in laptops now. Intel is behind in the laptop space in every metric: single thread, multithread and power.
Intel can turbo a lot higher, so for short bursts, Intel still wins on single-threaded. But of course in laptops, Intel can't turbo for very long, and since AMD is more power efficient, they win in the long run.
Not on 10nm, which this has. Look at the specs of the Ice Lake chips - while they have an IPC advantage (~18% over Skylake and its derivatives, so around 10% over Zen 2) it also doesn't boost past 4GHz.
If the dimensions haven't changed and the connector location/size is the same, then most likely yes. Higher refresh rate is usually enabled by the display driver on the display itself (if I'm not wrong) and so it doesn't require any special hardware on the laptop side.
However you should still wait for a couple months, for others to try it out and take the plunge for you
Is the dual-channel a typo? Since LPDDR4 channels are half the width, a 2x8GB configuration at 3733MHz is the same as a dual-channel DDR4/LPDDR3 at 1866MHz, which would be a step back from what we usually have.
I have a Razer 15 inch laptop with a 4K screen. It is great in most ways, except for competitive gaming.
I split the display to a cheap old DVI monitor and to the 4K display and took a video with my camera and I saw the 4K display was 30ms behind the external monitor.
I don't know about other people, but I could not win at all in Ranked mode at League of Legends with the 30ms display latency. Previously I had the same issue with Xbox360/Titanfall on a Samsung TV before I put the TV into "game mode".
For all the pixels spilled by review sites, we hardly ever hear about issues like this. It might be that some people are playing to lose, it might be that fighting latency is an uphill battle against a corporate ideology that can't accept that nine women can't make a baby in one month, etc.
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meacupla - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
Cool, I want a Ryzen version...xTRICKYxx - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
My thoughts exactly.Valantar - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
With a 4700U this would be pretty much the ideal laptop. Even a 4600U. And of course FreeSync/G-sync comp. Or just a comparable RDNA 2 GPU once those arrive.close - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
Waiting for the fake accounts claiming they accidentally heard from an engineer at the company that they don't have an AMD version because the CPUs "failed ISV certification" or something to that effect. [don't shoot, true story from the HP Z-series article]Qasar - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
what about the ones that say this is junk, garbage, or doa if it was, or because and amd ryzen version is also released ?close - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
"This" what? People say a lot of things, some are more readable than others...I hadn't heard the CPU ISV certification excuse before... Shilling is getting better every day.
Qasar - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
" this " being any thing made from amd. looks at some of the other articles on here, one person posted saying the product, because was made by amd, and not intel., was junk.close - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
Well I expect stuff like that. But that's old news, I'm seeing a lot of new ways to shill these days. Enter the "I have inside knowledge that the AMD CPU failed ISV certification" bullcrap.Ukyo - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
The prices are swapped.atirado - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
And the weights which points to the fact that it's the models that are inverted in the table.atirado - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
It's only the weights. Sorry :)cosmotic - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
Why can't I haz 4k without touch =(sorten - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
I don't think you're required to touch it ... but I bet you will.atirado - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
Minor point feedback: The first reference to the CPU is missing a 0 (first paragraph).Is this laptop Athena certified or is Athena more like a set of guidelines makers can meet by bundling together specific choices of CPU, GPU, Connectivity, power? Would both models meet the specs for Athena?
SomeFrenchDude - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
Looking at this vs the Zephyrus G14 (in the same weight class) :Who's going to buy this overpriced underperforming compromised laptop ?
Gamers will have better performance with the 2060 Max-Q,
Creators will have vastly superior performance with the Ryzen 4900HS
And all of that for several hundred dollars cheaper.
This thing is not worth anybody's money. DOA.
mathew7 - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
Those who look for smaller packages for portability.I went from Lenovo x230 to MSI GS43VR just for "gaming".
Then I chose the T480 w/ MX150 over RBS just because of "brand reputation" (my worst decision, as the T480 cooling was terrible).
My 2019 RBS choice was because of availability (G14 was just annouced) and unknown Linux support for Ryzen+nVidia.
If I would not have bought the RBS in january, I would be looking at the new RBS. But know I'm only interested in retrofitting the display. That was the only compromise I made.
PS: I have a full desktop with RTX2070S, so my laptop is used for IT support (battery life is why I ditched the GS43VR) and playing games in hotel rooms (which is not often, and I don't need ultra quality).
PS2: I really don't like G14s screen piece raising the base.
PeachNCream - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
"Included within the Temper 6 CNC precision milled anodized aluminium frame..."That's laying it on pretty thick with marketing language. I expect that most of this article is pretty much direct from Razer since few people write like that except someone that crawled out of the festering depths of a cube farm full of people that are desperate to keep the department head happy with text that looks like it might dupe someone into buying a product without actually being any sort of lie.
sorten - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
Definitely. As if there were an aluminum-bodied laptop that wasn't CNC machined. I guess you could pour the aluminum into a mold ... not a material scientist here. But CNC is hardly a differentiator.ingwe - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
You can cast aluminum. The finish wouldn't be as nice generally though without additional process steps though.Valantar - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
You can also stamp panels from sheet metal. Those also need additional process steps and added components, but most aluminium laptops are stamped - which is why CNC is a marketing point due to being more expensive, stronger (potentially at least) and lighter.dwade123 - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
Thank you Razer for sticking with Nvidia and Intel. We want higher FPS. Not higher Cinebench score and lower FPS on a gaming laptop.yetanotherhuman - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
Actually, that's just wrong, the best Intel mobile chip performs worse than the best AMD mobile chip these days. Nothing to do with Cinebench.yetanotherhuman - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
We're talking pure single thread workloads. Yes. AMD wins. At lower power. There is no benefit to Intel in laptops now.Qasar - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
only a few years ago, then intel fans were claiming only cinebench numbers matteredyetanotherhuman - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
You obviously haven't realised that AMD is better in pure single thread workloads in laptops now. Intel is behind in the laptop space in every metric: single thread, multithread and power.ajp_anton - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
Intel can turbo a lot higher, so for short bursts, Intel still wins on single-threaded. But of course in laptops, Intel can't turbo for very long, and since AMD is more power efficient, they win in the long run.Valantar - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
Not on 10nm, which this has. Look at the specs of the Ice Lake chips - while they have an IPC advantage (~18% over Skylake and its derivatives, so around 10% over Zen 2) it also doesn't boost past 4GHz.ajp_anton - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
You're right, Ice Lake doesn't. I meant Intel in general, as in their 14nm Skylake chips that can boost above 5GHz even in laptops.Qasar - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
yetanotherhuman dwade123 is an intel shill, if its not made by intel, its garbage, and junk, as other posts by him, have said.Retycint - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
How about you stop being blindly loyal to billion-dollar brands and look at the actual FPS numbers from actual benchmarks.mathew7 - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
I have only 1 question: can I retrofit the 120Hz screen to my late 2019?Retycint - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
If the dimensions haven't changed and the connector location/size is the same, then most likely yes. Higher refresh rate is usually enabled by the display driver on the display itself (if I'm not wrong) and so it doesn't require any special hardware on the laptop side.However you should still wait for a couple months, for others to try it out and take the plunge for you
ajp_anton - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
Is the dual-channel a typo? Since LPDDR4 channels are half the width, a 2x8GB configuration at 3733MHz is the same as a dual-channel DDR4/LPDDR3 at 1866MHz, which would be a step back from what we usually have.Valantar - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
Given that it also says "DDR4-3733" and not LPDDR4X, my money is on it being a typo.PaulHoule - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
I have a Razer 15 inch laptop with a 4K screen. It is great in most ways, except for competitive gaming.I split the display to a cheap old DVI monitor and to the 4K display and took a video with my camera and I saw the 4K display was 30ms behind the external monitor.
I don't know about other people, but I could not win at all in Ranked mode at League of Legends with the 30ms display latency. Previously I had the same issue with Xbox360/Titanfall on a Samsung TV before I put the TV into "game mode".
For all the pixels spilled by review sites, we hardly ever hear about issues like this. It might be that some people are playing to lose, it might be that fighting latency is an uphill battle against a corporate ideology that can't accept that nine women can't make a baby in one month, etc.
Valantar - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
Thorough laptop review sites like NotebookCheck test display latency in their reviews.zamroni - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
1.41 kg for 13" is heavy. many 13" business laptops with military durability certification weigh less than that