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This would be really useful to anyone whos production environment is eMAG cpus. Nothing is more annnoying than testing on a different architecture and then deploying and seeing everything break..
I do wonder how hard it would be to make a standardized CPU socket so that a chip of any architecture could be slotted into generic motherboards (including a firmware chip, I guess). It doesn't seem totally foreign to me, given that most chips really just seem to need DDR memory channels, a couple of PCIe lanes and power, now that basically everything else has been brought on-chip. I do realize that there are specific power requirements and a few miscellaneous signals, of course, but I can't help but wonder how hard it would be to fix that.
I’d love an ARM based platform with the modularity of a PC. For now, the top end Raspberry Pi is actually a decent choice. $100 for everything except the monitor. You can actually get one for less if you have some/all of the components. The lower end models with less RAM are also cheaper.
Just wondering about the feasibility of a cpu socket adapter meant to interface with a Zen2 socket, maybe, allowing the Arm cpu direct access to mboard resources. I would imagine that this idea has already been rejected for one reason or another--and of course next cometh the hard part--the software to make it all work...;)
It would be like PCIe. Standard connection and every manufacturer has a portion inside the chip that converts its internal signalling layout to PCIe. I don't think it would bring anything special and I think it is not in Intel/AMD/IBM advantage to do that.
Good and interesting! I look forward to Andrei's full review. In the meantime, maybe ARM could help promote the development and rollout of workstation-type motherboards and related. It'd be also in their interest, as they get more royalties if their server CPU designs find more use, and that requires more developers writing software for them.
Forgot to add this reason for ARM to help this and similar efforts: ARM is actually invested into Ampere, so they have actual skin ($$$) in the game, not just royalty income.
"This particular chassis has the option of a transparent side panel and LEDs – Avantek says that despite this market not being the typical recipient of these more consumer aesthetics, they had the demand!"
Proof that derpy people exist in pretty much every corner of the IT industry.
You know, if I were an IT manager and wanted something to show visiting customers or execs (i.e. back when visiting offices was a thing that people did) as part of how we're doing all of this ARM development, I would want something that didn't look pretty much exactly like every other PC in the building. So, yeah, throw a few LEDs in there to snazz it up, tastefully.
And this is coming from a dude with zero LED lighting effects in *any* of his personal or work PCs.
You know what? If I had unusual but still cool hardware like this I'd want to show it off too!
Proof that sometimes even people with the money and high end needs for specialty hardware like this still have a sense of fun.
Plus I'm sure that if you're that offended about side windows, they'll happily remove all the fun cosmetic bits so it match all of the other generic appliances boxen you have. Then you can shove it into the bottom of the rack like all the other equipment you never look at goes.
Demand for "transparent side panel and LEDs": Seriously! The people buying it are supposed to be engineers! They should roll their own with light strips (which you can make much cooler, if you're into that sort of thing).
The IT field is pretty vast and not all people in it learn the hardware aspect of it all. Some would know, but I imagine majority don't. For those that do know, it might not be worth their time to do, as opposed to paying someone else to do it.
ARM licenses their designs and architecture - it does not build hardware. If the OEMs thought there was a market there - they would. This is an ultra niche market - and this workstation will sell in the hundreds of units at best. Would bet against any "socketed CPU ecosystem" for ARM designs anytime soon - or at all.
> For those users that develop hardware-specific software, do you prefer local systems to work on, or cloud/non-local resources?
1) If the hardware-specific software is a device driver, then you often need tangible access to the device to fiddle with configuration options with the hardware. For example, testing a RAID card for ARM support will require access to the RAID devices for testing. 2) If you work from home, then you need to plan on occasional ISP downtime. For some people, that’s tolerable, for others, a local dev box mitigates the problem.
> What do you want to see in an upcoming workstation?
For weirdo boxes like this that are meant to be in your office, they need to be quiet. Everything else is bonus.
Is there any ARM system out there which sits between this and a Raspberry Pi? I mean something like 8-32 cores and user-upgradable RAM? I would very much like something more powerful than a Pi but not as powerful as this thing. For instance something in the $100-$1000 range.
There are now several Windows on Arm systems like the $999 Galaxy Book S which has 4 Cortex-A76 cores. Since it is Windows 10 based, you can install WSL if you prefer Linux.
I'd like to see a review of the Solidrun Honeycomb LX2K since that's a far cheaper workstation-grade system, making it more accessible to those of us wanting beefy ARM systems with more than 4GB of RAM but costing less than a few thousand.
Quote: "The CPU cooler looks very standard for a tower-style PC, with what looks like 5 double-sized heatpipes and a strong fan with extra baffles to direct airflow."
Ian, this cooler looks like a standard Supermicro SNK-P0050AP4 (LGA2011/2066, both narrow and square ILMs).
There's no denying the "cool" factor of an exotic CPU. However, the availability of Raptor's POWER workstations has given me occasion to have a serious think about this, and I just can't justify anything more expensive and less practical than boring old x86, at this time.
If I *did* want an ARM development box, I'd probably just get an ODROID N2. I know it's a completely different class of machine, but if I were just optimizing some ARM NEON code or something, I think it would suffice. Bang/$ is a slam dunk.
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masimilianzo - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
I would LOVE an Altra based workstation. Demand is definitely there for me :)sunshinerevans55 - Sunday, May 3, 2020 - link
I basically make about $12,000-$18,000 a month online. It’s enough to comfortably replace my I was amazed how easy it was after I tried it . This is what I’ve been doing old jobs income, especially considering I only work about 10-13 hours a week from home… www.iⅭash68.ⅭomFlunk - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
This would be really useful to anyone whos production environment is eMAG cpus. Nothing is more annnoying than testing on a different architecture and then deploying and seeing everything break..Dolda2000 - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
I do wonder how hard it would be to make a standardized CPU socket so that a chip of any architecture could be slotted into generic motherboards (including a firmware chip, I guess). It doesn't seem totally foreign to me, given that most chips really just seem to need DDR memory channels, a couple of PCIe lanes and power, now that basically everything else has been brought on-chip. I do realize that there are specific power requirements and a few miscellaneous signals, of course, but I can't help but wonder how hard it would be to fix that.eek2121 - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
I’d love an ARM based platform with the modularity of a PC. For now, the top end Raspberry Pi is actually a decent choice. $100 for everything except the monitor. You can actually get one for less if you have some/all of the components. The lower end models with less RAM are also cheaper.WaltC - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
Just wondering about the feasibility of a cpu socket adapter meant to interface with a Zen2 socket, maybe, allowing the Arm cpu direct access to mboard resources. I would imagine that this idea has already been rejected for one reason or another--and of course next cometh the hard part--the software to make it all work...;)mode_13h - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
AMD actually shipped an 8-core A57 ARMv8 CPU that slotted into their pre-EPYC server socket, like 5 years ago.https://www.anandtech.com/show/8362/amds-big-bet-o...
yeeeeman - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
It would be like PCIe. Standard connection and every manufacturer has a portion inside the chip that converts its internal signalling layout to PCIe. I don't think it would bring anything special and I think it is not in Intel/AMD/IBM advantage to do that.eastcoast_pete - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
Good and interesting! I look forward to Andrei's full review. In the meantime, maybe ARM could help promote the development and rollout of workstation-type motherboards and related. It'd be also in their interest, as they get more royalties if their server CPU designs find more use, and that requires more developers writing software for them.eastcoast_pete - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
Forgot to add this reason for ARM to help this and similar efforts: ARM is actually invested into Ampere, so they have actual skin ($$$) in the game, not just royalty income.PeachNCream - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
"This particular chassis has the option of a transparent side panel and LEDs – Avantek says that despite this market not being the typical recipient of these more consumer aesthetics, they had the demand!"Proof that derpy people exist in pretty much every corner of the IT industry.
mode_13h - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
Awww...You know, if I were an IT manager and wanted something to show visiting customers or execs (i.e. back when visiting offices was a thing that people did) as part of how we're doing all of this ARM development, I would want something that didn't look pretty much exactly like every other PC in the building. So, yeah, throw a few LEDs in there to snazz it up, tastefully.
And this is coming from a dude with zero LED lighting effects in *any* of his personal or work PCs.
xrror - Tuesday, April 28, 2020 - link
You know what? If I had unusual but still cool hardware like this I'd want to show it off too!Proof that sometimes even people with the money and high end needs for specialty hardware like this still have a sense of fun.
Plus I'm sure that if you're that offended about side windows, they'll happily remove all the fun cosmetic bits so it match all of the other generic appliances boxen you have. Then you can shove it into the bottom of the rack like all the other equipment you never look at goes.
name99 - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
Demand for "transparent side panel and LEDs":Seriously! The people buying it are supposed to be engineers! They should roll their own with light strips (which you can make much cooler, if you're into that sort of thing).
Buy this and truly pimp your system!
https://www.amazon.com/Backlights-Govee-Compatible...
mount the light strips on your case, and you
khanikun - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
The IT field is pretty vast and not all people in it learn the hardware aspect of it all. Some would know, but I imagine majority don't. For those that do know, it might not be worth their time to do, as opposed to paying someone else to do it.Alistair - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
This is cool. Would love to see ARM get invested in making the standard motherboard and socketed CPU ecosystem exist for ARM.Deicidium369 - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
ARM licenses their designs and architecture - it does not build hardware. If the OEMs thought there was a market there - they would. This is an ultra niche market - and this workstation will sell in the hundreds of units at best. Would bet against any "socketed CPU ecosystem" for ARM designs anytime soon - or at all.mode_13h - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
I just wish Pi-class SBCs would support standard form factors, so that we could mix & match our SBC and case of choice. Something like mini-STX.Elstar - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
> For those users that develop hardware-specific software, do you prefer local systems to work on, or cloud/non-local resources?1) If the hardware-specific software is a device driver, then you often need tangible access to the device to fiddle with configuration options with the hardware. For example, testing a RAID card for ARM support will require access to the RAID devices for testing.
2) If you work from home, then you need to plan on occasional ISP downtime. For some people, that’s tolerable, for others, a local dev box mitigates the problem.
> What do you want to see in an upcoming workstation?
For weirdo boxes like this that are meant to be in your office, they need to be quiet. Everything else is bonus.
AdditionalPylons - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
Is there any ARM system out there which sits between this and a Raspberry Pi? I mean something like 8-32 cores and user-upgradable RAM? I would very much like something more powerful than a Pi but not as powerful as this thing. For instance something in the $100-$1000 range.fun_cheung - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
Best bet would be the Solidrun Honeycomb. 16 core A72 ARM in mini ITX form, up to 64GB DDR4https://www.solid-run.com/nxp-lx2160a-family/honey...
Just waiting to see the team send one to Anandtech or some other news sites
mode_13h - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
Cool! Too bad the RAM is SO-DIMM, though.Still, $750 is a very reasonable price for what's a fairly specialized board + CPU.
I'm wondering how much power it burns, though.
Wilco1 - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
There are now several Windows on Arm systems like the $999 Galaxy Book S which has 4 Cortex-A76 cores. Since it is Windows 10 based, you can install WSL if you prefer Linux.mode_13h - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
Um, well, it's "in-between" with respect to price and core count, but performance will not stack up very favorably against the Pi v4:https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&...
(uATX board with 24x A53-core Socionext CPU)
CampGareth - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
I'd like to see a review of the Solidrun Honeycomb LX2K since that's a far cheaper workstation-grade system, making it more accessible to those of us wanting beefy ARM systems with more than 4GB of RAM but costing less than a few thousand.ballsystemlord - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
I'd be interested in knowing if the DDR4-2666 is holding the processor back.Wilco1 - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
With 8 channels?!? Not a chance - this has only 32 cores while Graviton 2 has 64, Ampere Altra 80 and ThunderX3 has 96. All have 8 channels.bolkhov - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
Quote: "The CPU cooler looks very standard for a tower-style PC, with what looks like 5 double-sized heatpipes and a strong fan with extra baffles to direct airflow."Ian, this cooler looks like a standard Supermicro SNK-P0050AP4 (LGA2011/2066, both narrow and square ILMs).
bolkhov - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
P.S. And the fan is probably Nidec UltraFlo T92T12MS3A7-57 :-)mode_13h - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
There's no denying the "cool" factor of an exotic CPU. However, the availability of Raptor's POWER workstations has given me occasion to have a serious think about this, and I just can't justify anything more expensive and less practical than boring old x86, at this time.If I *did* want an ARM development box, I'd probably just get an ODROID N2. I know it's a completely different class of machine, but if I were just optimizing some ARM NEON code or something, I think it would suffice. Bang/$ is a slam dunk.
smalM - Saturday, April 25, 2020 - link
In a year from now:"how to turn an Ampere eMag Workstation into a Hackintosh"...
mode_13h - Saturday, April 25, 2020 - link
Good call.hishnash - Tuesday, April 28, 2020 - link
When apple ship an ARM based mac we will see a large uptick in server side ARM usage due to the large number of developers ready to use macOS.parduguste - Saturday, May 9, 2020 - link
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