Wake me up when AMD solves it's TLB cold bug. Until then, these AMD chips are useless. I enjoy overclocking. A stock Intel i3 will smash these chips, much less an OC'd i3.
You can be sure that they actually meant "I enable the Extreme profile in the BIOS". The comment can be translated to "wake me up when AMD chips are Intel". You can ignore everything else, might as well come from a random text generator. Endless drivel from an endless supply of sock puppet accounts.
I'm sure they also have far more RGB lights than I do. I tried so hard to avoid them, but damn if my new system's video card has an RGB light up logo (which is hidden behind the solid panel case). Ones without RGB were considerably more expensive so for now I am stuck.
Wow there is a lot of bad information there. First the only i3s that you can overclock are the 9350k & 9350kf. Both have a 4.0GHz base & 4.6GHz boost clock. Since those are the top bin i3s, they will be compared against the 3300X. Stock vs stock the i3s have a 5% base clock advantage and 7% boost clock advantage. At base clocks the i3s will typically be slower than the Ryzens due to the Ryzen having a 7-10% IPC advantage. At boost clocks they will have near equal performance. Let us not forget that the TDP of the i3s are 91W vs 65W for the Ryzen. That will help the i3s stay at higher boost speeds, but not an apples to apples comparison. When you look at the non-overclockable i3s they have clock speeds almost identical to the Ryzens so they will perform WORSE. Secondly the i3s that you can overclock are also 50% more expensive than the 3300X. From a price perspective those i3s will be competing against the Ryzen 5 3600. Thirdly the i3s lack HT so anything that uses more than 4c/4t, which is quite common now, will have a large performance advantage on the Ryzens with 4c/8t. Finally what are you talking about with a TLB bug? That was a thing 12 years ago with the first Phenom CPUs and was fixed with the Phenom II. Stop spreading that FUD.
Personal opinion: The differences in performance between the I3 and the Ryzen 3 are going to be pretty small. Particularly when you consider the target audience for either of them won't know anything about them other than 7 >5 and 5>3 and Intel 3 must = AMD3. They probably won't be overclocking either. I suspect in this territory, total system price will trump any performance differences. Looking at it that way, the Ryzen 3's lake of integrated graphics means you have to purchase a separate video card. So even if the CPU's and Motherboards are cheaper on the AMD side and even if the AMD performs better, the added cost of a video card probably decides the issue in cases where price is king.
We don’t know how much the Ryzen 3 will overclock. Comparing either chip’s overclocking capabilities is pointless currently. The poster above stated that the i3 has an IPC advantage. This is incorrect.
current i3 from Intel is horrid, you're not staying over 60 fps in BL3 for example, and even Overwatch will ping the CPU at 100 percent and drop from 200 to 60 fps... Intel badly needs the hyperthreading and clock speed increases coming next month (8350k is absolute garbage)
AMD has its APUs for that market, and I'm guessing that we'll see 4000 series APUs when production of the new 7nm APU die catches up with demand and they have some they can spare from the laptop market. These new parts are for budget gaming systems that include a graphics card.
Rumors have been going around about 10th gen i3's may be coming with 4c/8t on their higher i3. I still believe out of the box ryzen will take the lead, but not by much. The main advantage is ryzen 3 is budget minded. 120$ for a 3.8/4.3 ghz 8 thread with good ipc is hard to beat. I would imagine Intel i3 4c/8t will be 165-195$ just my thoughts.
Lol yes, the earlier Phenom K10 revs. That was five (5) complete CPU core architectures ago for AMD.
Not just stepping changes with small IPC improvements and power features, but 5 completely new architectures: K10 -> K11/12 -> Bobcat -> Bulldozer/Piledriver/Steamroller/Excavator family -> Jaguar/Puma -> Zen/Zen+/Zen2 family.
May as well knock Intel for "don't divide, Intel Inside" rather than the plethora of IME and speculative execution issues and the resulting need for patches with devastating performance hits.
Actually the first benchmarks show that the i3 are completely smashed by Ryzen 3, in terms of pure performance, in terms of performance per Watt and performance per dollar. It's a wipeout. The i3 draw huge peak powers even when not overclocked: I can't imagine how much it would cost to consistently run those things hot.
It's the year of having fun on the internet. Like every year is. One has to behold the earnestness of some responses. Frankly, whether you are a fan of Intel, or a fan of AMD, or whether you are a member of a species that doesn't suffer from brand-associated Stockholm syndrome shouldn't stop you from enjoying the entertainment curtesy of PeterCollier...
And how much of performance of i3 will be lefto on the table when you apply all of the security holes ? And how many of those sholes have they left unpatched because it would kill what's left of performance furher ?
BTW, OCing is usually stupid, especially on Ryzens. They overclock themselves quite nicely.
OCIng memory channel I can understand, but OCing the CPU is pointless. If you need more speed, buy higher binned chip with more or less cores and cool it better.
AND, if you run open source, check the code and see what can you do optimizing it. Those gains usually are FAR bigger than anything OCing might do. And from that point on they are available for all the machines, regardless of OC.
some idiot being jealous of people who have bought AMD who were planning to upgrade but this guy bought an intel chip and saw nothing but intel branding on his pc i feel bad for you but nothing compares against AMD now plus Intel's 10th is still behind the AMD's new chips so chill boy now AMD fanboys are not just fanboys some of them actually switched from intel because of performance plus better prices. sorry for my English
So the 7700K level of performance is now officially reached by ~$100 entry level CPUs. Nice. After a near decade of boring-ass CPUs, the world is moving forward again.
The real story is that for the vast majority of users (keeping in mind that the people reading this site are not the typical user) that 7700K level of performance is more than good enough. Combine a more than good enough CPU with a more than good enough B550 motherboard and you get a cheapish system that is as much as most people will need. This idea might be boring to enthusiasts but we aren't the target audience for it.
for office, 4c/8t with sata3 ssd are very fast for their intended workload, but office tend to use igpu, which this line doesn't had. to be honest, other than budget, I don't know other purpose this cpu is.
These are placeholders in anticipation of the upcoming Ryzen 2 APUs on desktop. Which will have an integrated GPU.
They just like to satisfy the notebook launch before they are committed to desktop. Whenb Intel is launching their latest in a month, you have to cover your obvious detriments. And the 3400G is not going to compete with the performance of these new Core i3 processors.
4/8 cpu's are fine for gaming still in 2020 I know because I am on one be it an Intel 4/8 setup but in every game I play on this setup runs smoothly and pumps out high frame rates. Is it as good as a true 8 core of coarse not but trust me a 4/8 setup can do more than just office work. Mine is at 5.1Ghz mind you I am gonna say even these AMD R3 4/8 CPU's should be able to game just fine since Zen 2 has very good IPC actually slightly higher than Intel has on current CPU's & just enough clock speed to churn out decent FPS.
Would I buy one no since I am ready for bigger & better CPU's with more cores and that is what my own next build will have is more cores probably a 8/16 CPU setup next time around. Probably at the end of 2020 or early 2021. I'm thinking 4/8 CPU's have a bit more life left in them for gaming probably until end of 2021. The next gen consoles being 8/16 CPU setups will push the gaming industry towards more robust CPU setups and most likely 6/12 CPU's will be min spec required for most games post next gen console releases and any lower than 6/12 will be way to under powered to give a decent gaming experience.
BL3 player with Ryzen 3600, getting stable 90-120 FPS depending on the scene on Bada$$ graphic settings (except volumetric fog). CPU usage about 60-70%.
A quad-core Ryzen would be more than enough, and it's a saviour for people who will get an extra $100 to bump GTX 1650 to GTX 1660 Super in their new computer.
Average Joes want blinkenlight disco, and lack any insight in anything whatsoever. Which is why they are damned to perpetually fall for the shtick of the salesmen. BL3 plays just fine on a 4C/8T CPU from eight years ago or so, assuming you have a decent CPU going along with it.
Why would you pick a CPU without iGPU for an HTPC? APUs are the dream for HTPCs. Low power and dead-silent whilst watching movies or streaming games from your PC.
In that case, why not just use a Shield or some Android box? Its cheaper, and streaming services on Windows can be kinda finicky, especially if you're trying to stream HDR.
They said B550 hard launch on June 16? I did not see where they said they wanted to buy one of these CPU's for the B550 setup but just that hey were looking forward to the B550 setuip. I am sure if they are smart and don't want to go with a dGPU card they would just pick up one of AMD's recently released desktop APU's.
take any of the 8c16t parts chop in half, you get 4c/8t as well 1/2 the 4mb L2 to get the 2mb L2 in these.. likely is a "binned" chip .. much like the 3600 is the 3900 (though I have read, in 3600 case was actually opposite, where the "best" became the higher parts instead of the "worst" became lower end "binned")
I digress though, makes perfect sense to me, 3800/3700 "fail" on something or other, they get binned to become these 2 "new" chips
would have been truly @#$ excellent if we could have had the super high clock rates of the mobile parts for desktop, that is, 15w instead of the 65/105w stuff .. imagine the world wide power savings :O
Kinda what I figured. Thats going to make them very low volume then, 7nm yields are supposed to be pretty good so I doubt there are many dies out there where half of them are defective.
No it would make no sense, if there's an igpu at least it could be used for laptops also, but it's surely not the case since there's twice the L3 of even renoir which is a 8 core cpu for laptop
Also every other part use full L3 cache config, so if there's any defect in L3 or ccx interconection the only sku the chip can become is those 2 new skus. So it makes sense for amd, even with good yield they can now use nearly every die that are produced.
These new chips have only half the L3 cache of the higher end 3000 series chips. We won't know for sure until somebody gets to run independent benchmarks, but that almost certainly means they are only using a single CCX.
We could end up getting a mixture of parts. You could get either a high end Ryzen die with one CCX disabled or a new smaller die where the second CCX simply isn't there. You won't be able to tell which you have without doing an X-ray of your chip. And you won't care, because you will be getting the performance you paid for either way.
The launch parts will be culls from production of the higher end models. But if there is enough demand for these low end CPUs so that they can't fill it all that way, AMD will surely do a smaller die if that lowers production costs enough to matter. It can't be all that hard to lop one CCX off the existing chip layout.
Brilliant actually. I’m glad because I want a low powered Quad. Figured Tiger Lake would be my choice but this perfect for me. Due to their shared cache design extra Cores is added latency, and the 8 Cores surprisingly wasn’t bad. Above that was unacceptable and had diminishing returns. If the suite of apps I use liked the 8 core models, the Quad will be a real win win for me.
I just picked up a R5-1600 and realized it was one of the AF steppings - and got it at that $85 price. It is a STUPIDLY good processor at twice the price, let alone at what I picked it up for. I'm not crazy about the stock cooler, it does the job but would not be sufficient for any overclocking whatsoever.
Even a slightly larger vapor chamber design would be a vast improvement. However, at stock speeds the processor is damn good.
These will be strictly better than the 1600AF. Its the Ryzen 3600 vs 2700X all over again. For most stuff the 3600 is simply better. The edge the 2700X has is only for 8 core workloads that don't use AVX. If they use AVX, the 3600 is just better.
Hopefully the B550 will not require a chipset fan. If it doesn't, it might be paired up nicely with one of these new R3 processors and a lower end GPU to make for a reliable system you can pass off to relatives. I'd hate to give someone with pets and not so much computer knowledge a chipset that needs a dinky little cooling fan on it. Two years ingesting pet hair is probably too much for one of those performance motherboards to cope with.
Well, I'll be finding out how much is sucks in, I just built a 'server' with an X570 and a new desktop with X570, both sit on the floor (raised up slightly on a board) next to my desk (hardwood floor, not carpet). We have 3 pups and a cat, weekly sweepings of the hall yield enough fur to built a new cat or small pup. Two different cases, but both have mesh filters on the bottom for the PSU, and unfiltered front intakes for a fan (2 in the case of the server) which blow almost right into the X570 chipset.
I hope it endures and causes no problems for you. As for me, I'm happy to wait to see if the B550 or subsequent chipset iterations do away with active cooling again. AMD has some nice processors and if I ever put together another desktop, they are my first choice unless something drastic changes at Intel, but active chipset cooling is a concern.
I have pci 4.0 gpu and pci m2ssd and two normal ssd and two normal hd and my cooler in x570 has newer been running... you need some sli 4.0 to get that cooler to start spinning...
Hearing it running isn't really the problem. Its fan failure over time that would possibly cause issues. You're working with fairly new hardware and probably periodically open the case to clean out the dust or at least run a filter that you clean regularly like most of us AT readers are likely to do. I have seen tiny fans when Intel started making them more of a mandatory thing back in the mid-1990s go bad. Materials are essentially the same as are fan designs for those little things. Dirt ingestion and time will take their toll and that is a concern that makes 4.0 performance potential a slightly double-edged sword for boxes that are expected to have a longer service life.
Isn't AMD switching sockets soon? AFAIK they're breaking compatibility soon (which is fine imo), so anyone getting this as a "temporary" CPU might be a bit surprised, even if there's better SKUs in the family still.
What do you mean by soon? AM4 will support the Zen3 Ryzen 4000 series CPUs. That means the socket should be alive for well over a year from this point in time. If Zen3 Ryzen 4000 launches in Sept-Oct and Ryzen 5000 comes out, let's say, a year later at shortest time-frame, then AM4 will last at least 16 more months from this point in time. And since they've been pushing out the desktop release cadence by about 4 months every series release, it's probably more like 20 months more of AM4 at this rate.
It´s like Christmas and my birthday all wrapped into one. I need/want a new system but can´t justify spending a lot of money right now... With these I can setup a base build that I can really upgrade later. Was planning to do it with the 1500 AF but might be batter to see how these work out
I feel AMD should have timed the release of budget CPUs with the budget motherboard chipset. While the new processors still work with older B450 chipset, people will be looking forward to the B550 since its got better features. Pricing wise, B550 is expected to be pricier, but I feel may still be worth the upgrade.
Anyway again, I feel AMD should ideally release an APU to fill in the low end market. They are releasing too many cuts and slices in their CPU product and its starting to get confusing.
No, not really. You just need an unlucky X570 board model, unlucky GPU cooler or rather radiator configuration (vertical fins) and hard, long term workload. https://imgur.com/a/JuLhNHd
These prices are well within the refurbished quad core i7 price range, and are a great alternative, as they are on a newer platform and benefit from better upgrade paths and explot mitigations that 5-6-7 year old cpus don't.
I'll be curious to see how the 3100 and the 1600 AF compare. The 1600 AF is a ridiculously good deal at only $85. The 3100 will certainly have it beat on per-thread performance but with 50% more threads (and $15 cheaper) I bet it will be a close race.
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PeterCollier - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
Wake me up when AMD solves it's TLB cold bug. Until then, these AMD chips are useless. I enjoy overclocking. A stock Intel i3 will smash these chips, much less an OC'd i3.rrinker - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
Yes, because the budget level CPUs are OBVIOUSLY aimed a extreme overclockers.....I love this place sometimes.
close - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
You can be sure that they actually meant "I enable the Extreme profile in the BIOS". The comment can be translated to "wake me up when AMD chips are Intel". You can ignore everything else, might as well come from a random text generator. Endless drivel from an endless supply of sock puppet accounts.rrinker - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
I'm sure they also have far more RGB lights than I do. I tried so hard to avoid them, but damn if my new system's video card has an RGB light up logo (which is hidden behind the solid panel case). Ones without RGB were considerably more expensive so for now I am stuck.eddieobscurant - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
hahaha.Sharma_Ji - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
Gondalf with different username:-OIntel999 - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
I really think he was being sarcastic.Or, at least, I hope to he was for his mental well being.
schujj07 - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
Wow there is a lot of bad information there. First the only i3s that you can overclock are the 9350k & 9350kf. Both have a 4.0GHz base & 4.6GHz boost clock. Since those are the top bin i3s, they will be compared against the 3300X. Stock vs stock the i3s have a 5% base clock advantage and 7% boost clock advantage. At base clocks the i3s will typically be slower than the Ryzens due to the Ryzen having a 7-10% IPC advantage. At boost clocks they will have near equal performance. Let us not forget that the TDP of the i3s are 91W vs 65W for the Ryzen. That will help the i3s stay at higher boost speeds, but not an apples to apples comparison. When you look at the non-overclockable i3s they have clock speeds almost identical to the Ryzens so they will perform WORSE. Secondly the i3s that you can overclock are also 50% more expensive than the 3300X. From a price perspective those i3s will be competing against the Ryzen 5 3600. Thirdly the i3s lack HT so anything that uses more than 4c/4t, which is quite common now, will have a large performance advantage on the Ryzens with 4c/8t. Finally what are you talking about with a TLB bug? That was a thing 12 years ago with the first Phenom CPUs and was fixed with the Phenom II. Stop spreading that FUD.Ratman6161 - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
Personal opinion: The differences in performance between the I3 and the Ryzen 3 are going to be pretty small. Particularly when you consider the target audience for either of them won't know anything about them other than 7 >5 and 5>3 and Intel 3 must = AMD3. They probably won't be overclocking either. I suspect in this territory, total system price will trump any performance differences. Looking at it that way, the Ryzen 3's lake of integrated graphics means you have to purchase a separate video card. So even if the CPU's and Motherboards are cheaper on the AMD side and even if the AMD performs better, the added cost of a video card probably decides the issue in cases where price is king.eek2121 - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
We don’t know how much the Ryzen 3 will overclock. Comparing either chip’s overclocking capabilities is pointless currently. The poster above stated that the i3 has an IPC advantage. This is incorrect.Hul8 - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
Better read it again. They stated that Ryzen had an IPC advantage.Hul8 - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
*hasAlistair - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
current i3 from Intel is horrid, you're not staying over 60 fps in BL3 for example, and even Overwatch will ping the CPU at 100 percent and drop from 200 to 60 fps... Intel badly needs the hyperthreading and clock speed increases coming next month (8350k is absolute garbage)shirleymarquez - Saturday, May 2, 2020 - link
AMD has its APUs for that market, and I'm guessing that we'll see 4000 series APUs when production of the new 7nm APU die catches up with demand and they have some they can spare from the laptop market. These new parts are for budget gaming systems that include a graphics card.V3tt3k1ll3r - Friday, April 24, 2020 - link
Rumors have been going around about 10th gen i3's may be coming with 4c/8t on their higher i3. I still believe out of the box ryzen will take the lead, but not by much. The main advantage is ryzen 3 is budget minded. 120$ for a 3.8/4.3 ghz 8 thread with good ipc is hard to beat. I would imagine Intel i3 4c/8t will be 165-195$ just my thoughts.Irata - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
TLB bug ? Didn't it affect Phenom I processors, so we are talking about an issue affecting CPU from 2007 ?toaste - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
Lol yes, the earlier Phenom K10 revs. That was five (5) complete CPU core architectures ago for AMD.Not just stepping changes with small IPC improvements and power features, but 5 completely new architectures: K10 -> K11/12 -> Bobcat -> Bulldozer/Piledriver/Steamroller/Excavator family -> Jaguar/Puma -> Zen/Zen+/Zen2 family.
May as well knock Intel for "don't divide, Intel Inside" rather than the plethora of IME and speculative execution issues and the resulting need for patches with devastating performance hits.
Threska - Sunday, April 26, 2020 - link
*shrug* People are still stuck on what Microsoft did years ago, so why should CPUs be different?Mastakony - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
Irony or sarcasm : great valueyankeeDDL - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
Actually the first benchmarks show that the i3 are completely smashed by Ryzen 3, in terms of pure performance, in terms of performance per Watt and performance per dollar. It's a wipeout. The i3 draw huge peak powers even when not overclocked: I can't imagine how much it would cost to consistently run those things hot.toaste - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
Have you been dead since 2008? WHAT YEAR IS IT? https://www.techpowerup.com/50143/amd-tlb-bug-fixe...callmebob - Friday, April 24, 2020 - link
It's the year of having fun on the internet. Like every year is. One has to behold the earnestness of some responses. Frankly, whether you are a fan of Intel, or a fan of AMD, or whether you are a member of a species that doesn't suffer from brand-associated Stockholm syndrome shouldn't stop you from enjoying the entertainment curtesy of PeterCollier...Brane2 - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
And how much of performance of i3 will be lefto on the table when you apply all of the security holes ?And how many of those sholes have they left unpatched because it would kill what's left of performance furher ?
Brane2 - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
BTW, OCing is usually stupid, especially on Ryzens. They overclock themselves quite nicely.OCIng memory channel I can understand, but OCing the CPU is pointless.
If you need more speed, buy higher binned chip with more or less cores and cool it better.
AND, if you run open source, check the code and see what can you do optimizing it.
Those gains usually are FAR bigger than anything OCing might do.
And from that point on they are available for all the machines, regardless of OC.
ironlad3000 - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
some idiot being jealous of people who have bought AMD who were planning to upgrade but this guy bought an intel chip and saw nothing but intel branding on his pc i feel bad for you but nothing compares against AMD now plus Intel's 10th is still behind the AMD's new chips so chill boy now AMD fanboys are not just fanboys some of them actually switched from intel because of performance plus better prices. sorry for my EnglishC'DaleRider - Wednesday, May 6, 2020 - link
Thank you fanboi.
AshlayW - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
Um. What?Threska - Sunday, April 26, 2020 - link
Speaking of TLB.https://www.itwire.com/security/83347-openbsd-chie...
Leeberator - Tuesday, April 28, 2020 - link
Wasn't that fixed 12 years ago?https://www.techpowerup.com/50143/amd-tlb-bug-fixe...
rarson - Tuesday, May 19, 2020 - link
Stock i3 smashing the 3300X, that's a real laugh! Go look at the benchmarks!Valantar - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
So the 7700K level of performance is now officially reached by ~$100 entry level CPUs. Nice. After a near decade of boring-ass CPUs, the world is moving forward again.Ratman6161 - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
The real story is that for the vast majority of users (keeping in mind that the people reading this site are not the typical user) that 7700K level of performance is more than good enough. Combine a more than good enough CPU with a more than good enough B550 motherboard and you get a cheapish system that is as much as most people will need. This idea might be boring to enthusiasts but we aren't the target audience for it.Fulljack - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
for office, 4c/8t with sata3 ssd are very fast for their intended workload, but office tend to use igpu, which this line doesn't had. to be honest, other than budget, I don't know other purpose this cpu is.defaultluser - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
These are placeholders in anticipation of the upcoming Ryzen 2 APUs on desktop. Which will have an integrated GPU.They just like to satisfy the notebook launch before they are committed to desktop. Whenb Intel is launching their latest in a month, you have to cover your obvious detriments. And the 3400G is not going to compete with the performance of these new Core i3 processors.
Deicidium369 - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
and a ton of useless cores to boot...rocky12345 - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
4/8 cpu's are fine for gaming still in 2020 I know because I am on one be it an Intel 4/8 setup but in every game I play on this setup runs smoothly and pumps out high frame rates. Is it as good as a true 8 core of coarse not but trust me a 4/8 setup can do more than just office work. Mine is at 5.1Ghz mind you I am gonna say even these AMD R3 4/8 CPU's should be able to game just fine since Zen 2 has very good IPC actually slightly higher than Intel has on current CPU's & just enough clock speed to churn out decent FPS.Would I buy one no since I am ready for bigger & better CPU's with more cores and that is what my own next build will have is more cores probably a 8/16 CPU setup next time around. Probably at the end of 2020 or early 2021. I'm thinking 4/8 CPU's have a bit more life left in them for gaming probably until end of 2021. The next gen consoles being 8/16 CPU setups will push the gaming industry towards more robust CPU setups and most likely 6/12 CPU's will be min spec required for most games post next gen console releases and any lower than 6/12 will be way to under powered to give a decent gaming experience.
Deicidium369 - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
Lack of iGPU is what is killing them in the OEM market - even a basic rudimentary iGPUAlistair - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
average joes want to play borderlands 3 over 60 fps all the time, they'll want a 6 core, the market has moved onlmcd - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
Hate to break it to you but BL3 plays 60 FPS on a 2400G just fine? Pretty sure I'm GPU bound on Ultra at 1440p.lmcd - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
(With a discrete GPU, since that would be needed for this CPU anyway.)not_anton - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
BL3 player with Ryzen 3600, getting stable 90-120 FPS depending on the scene on Bada$$ graphic settings (except volumetric fog). CPU usage about 60-70%.A quad-core Ryzen would be more than enough, and it's a saviour for people who will get an extra $100 to bump GTX 1650 to GTX 1660 Super in their new computer.
flyingpants265 - Monday, May 4, 2020 - link
Ryzen pricing is really amazing. So is RX570 for budget gamers.callmebob - Friday, April 24, 2020 - link
Average Joes want blinkenlight disco, and lack any insight in anything whatsoever. Which is why they are damned to perpetually fall for the shtick of the salesmen. BL3 plays just fine on a 4C/8T CPU from eight years ago or so, assuming you have a decent CPU going along with it.R3MF - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
B550 hard launch on June 16th?Dear god I hope so - as my haswell htpc is starting to reset itself far too often!
Schmich - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
Why would you pick a CPU without iGPU for an HTPC? APUs are the dream for HTPCs. Low power and dead-silent whilst watching movies or streaming games from your PC.brucethemoose - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
In that case, why not just use a Shield or some Android box? Its cheaper, and streaming services on Windows can be kinda finicky, especially if you're trying to stream HDR.R3MF - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
i haven't mentioned cpu's in any capacity at all, i talk only of the B550.to repeat: i want one, so i hope this is a hard launch!
rocky12345 - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
They said B550 hard launch on June 16? I did not see where they said they wanted to buy one of these CPU's for the B550 setup but just that hey were looking forward to the B550 setuip. I am sure if they are smart and don't want to go with a dGPU card they would just pick up one of AMD's recently released desktop APU's.Operandi - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
Is this a new chip design or just half a (I forget the chip name) 3700X with half of it disabled?Dragonstongue - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
take any of the 8c16t parts chop in half, you get 4c/8t as well 1/2 the 4mb L2 to get the 2mb L2 in these.. likely is a "binned" chip .. much like the 3600 is the 3900 (though I have read, in 3600 case was actually opposite, where the "best" became the higher parts instead of the "worst" became lower end "binned")I digress though, makes perfect sense to me, 3800/3700 "fail" on something or other, they get binned to become these 2 "new" chips
would have been truly @#$ excellent if we could have had the super high clock rates of the mobile parts for desktop, that is, 15w instead of the 65/105w stuff .. imagine the world wide power savings :O
Operandi - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
Kinda what I figured. Thats going to make them very low volume then, 7nm yields are supposed to be pretty good so I doubt there are many dies out there where half of them are defective.Cooe - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
This isn't for sure guaranteed yet. Many speculate these chips are actually using a new quad-core "Matisse 2" die.Nioktefe - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
No it would make no sense, if there's an igpu at least it could be used for laptops also, but it's surely not the case since there's twice the L3 of even renoir which is a 8 core cpu for laptopAlso every other part use full L3 cache config, so if there's any defect in L3 or ccx interconection the only sku the chip can become is those 2 new skus. So it makes sense for amd, even with good yield they can now use nearly every die that are produced.
shirleymarquez - Saturday, May 2, 2020 - link
These new chips have only half the L3 cache of the higher end 3000 series chips. We won't know for sure until somebody gets to run independent benchmarks, but that almost certainly means they are only using a single CCX.We could end up getting a mixture of parts. You could get either a high end Ryzen die with one CCX disabled or a new smaller die where the second CCX simply isn't there. You won't be able to tell which you have without doing an X-ray of your chip. And you won't care, because you will be getting the performance you paid for either way.
The launch parts will be culls from production of the higher end models. But if there is enough demand for these low end CPUs so that they can't fill it all that way, AMD will surely do a smaller die if that lowers production costs enough to matter. It can't be all that hard to lop one CCX off the existing chip layout.
CrystalCowboy - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
Even 30-45 W would be a little nicer for small boxes.not_anton - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
My mobo bios has a 45W "economy" option for Ryzen 3600; those 4-cores can totally run on 30-45W with a minor decrease in boost frequency.Dr. Swag - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
3700x has two four core chiplets but these only have one, so they only have four cores physically in the packagedsplover - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
Brilliant actually. I’m glad because I want a low powered Quad. Figured Tiger Lake would be my choice but this perfect for me. Due to their shared cache design extra Cores is added latency, and the 8 Cores surprisingly wasn’t bad. Above that was unacceptable and had diminishing returns. If the suite of apps I use liked the 8 core models, the Quad will be a real win win for me.T1beriu - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
You forgot Ryzen 5 3500.zodiacfml - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
Yeah, even quad core doesn't cut it for multiple tab browsing. I'd take the 1600 or 2600bill.rookard - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
I just picked up a R5-1600 and realized it was one of the AF steppings - and got it at that $85 price. It is a STUPIDLY good processor at twice the price, let alone at what I picked it up for. I'm not crazy about the stock cooler, it does the job but would not be sufficient for any overclocking whatsoever.Even a slightly larger vapor chamber design would be a vast improvement. However, at stock speeds the processor is damn good.
patel21 - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
Are these really bad bins ? How does a 12C 3900 and 4C 3100 have same power envelope of 65W.Couldn't they release these low end chips at 35-45W ?
PixyMisa - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
They probably could, but if they're like the existing Ryzen 3000 parts they have configurable TDP so you can do that yourself.Braincruser - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
These will be strictly better than the 1600AF.Its the Ryzen 3600 vs 2700X all over again. For most stuff the 3600 is simply better. The edge the 2700X has is only for 8 core workloads that don't use AVX. If they use AVX, the 3600 is just better.
RadIsotope - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
This is the correct answer. And of course a ~$160 3600 is a good deal for just a bit more, but that's how it works at these price points.standard_user - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
Would the 3300/3300x require a BIOS update on existing be x570 motherboards? I have a board, just no cpu to update it...jospoortvliet - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
You can check the docs of your motherboard but my guess would be yes, they do require an update.PeachNCream - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
Hopefully the B550 will not require a chipset fan. If it doesn't, it might be paired up nicely with one of these new R3 processors and a lower end GPU to make for a reliable system you can pass off to relatives. I'd hate to give someone with pets and not so much computer knowledge a chipset that needs a dinky little cooling fan on it. Two years ingesting pet hair is probably too much for one of those performance motherboards to cope with.rrinker - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
Well, I'll be finding out how much is sucks in, I just built a 'server' with an X570 and a new desktop with X570, both sit on the floor (raised up slightly on a board) next to my desk (hardwood floor, not carpet). We have 3 pups and a cat, weekly sweepings of the hall yield enough fur to built a new cat or small pup. Two different cases, but both have mesh filters on the bottom for the PSU, and unfiltered front intakes for a fan (2 in the case of the server) which blow almost right into the X570 chipset.PeachNCream - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
I hope it endures and causes no problems for you. As for me, I'm happy to wait to see if the B550 or subsequent chipset iterations do away with active cooling again. AMD has some nice processors and if I ever put together another desktop, they are my first choice unless something drastic changes at Intel, but active chipset cooling is a concern.supdawgwtfd - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
B550 is just a B450 so won't have active cooling.haukionkannel - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
I have pci 4.0 gpu and pci m2ssd and two normal ssd and two normal hd and my cooler in x570 has newer been running... you need some sli 4.0 to get that cooler to start spinning...Mccaula718 - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
What GPU is pcie 4.0? I do agree however that I've never heard my chip set fan.Qasar - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
radeon rx 5000 series are pcie 4.Makaveli - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
Never head the chipset fan on my Asus Prime X570-Pro also.Irata - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
Besides RDNA1, you can be sure both nVidia's and AMD's next gen will be.PeachNCream - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
Hearing it running isn't really the problem. Its fan failure over time that would possibly cause issues. You're working with fairly new hardware and probably periodically open the case to clean out the dust or at least run a filter that you clean regularly like most of us AT readers are likely to do. I have seen tiny fans when Intel started making them more of a mandatory thing back in the mid-1990s go bad. Materials are essentially the same as are fan designs for those little things. Dirt ingestion and time will take their toll and that is a concern that makes 4.0 performance potential a slightly double-edged sword for boxes that are expected to have a longer service life.lmcd - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
Isn't AMD switching sockets soon? AFAIK they're breaking compatibility soon (which is fine imo), so anyone getting this as a "temporary" CPU might be a bit surprised, even if there's better SKUs in the family still.RBD117 - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
What do you mean by soon? AM4 will support the Zen3 Ryzen 4000 series CPUs. That means the socket should be alive for well over a year from this point in time. If Zen3 Ryzen 4000 launches in Sept-Oct and Ryzen 5000 comes out, let's say, a year later at shortest time-frame, then AM4 will last at least 16 more months from this point in time. And since they've been pushing out the desktop release cadence by about 4 months every series release, it's probably more like 20 months more of AM4 at this rate.Threska - Sunday, April 26, 2020 - link
What would a new socket gain except maybe PCI 5.0?Qasar - Sunday, April 26, 2020 - link
ddr5 maybe ?iamlilysdad - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
I'm really curious how these will stack up to older quad-core chips like Ivy Bridge, Haswell, and maybe even Skylake.Joxe - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
It´s like Christmas and my birthday all wrapped into one. I need/want a new system but can´t justify spending a lot of money right now... With these I can setup a base build that I can really upgrade later. Was planning to do it with the 1500 AF but might be batter to see how these work out137ben - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
Has AMD announced when (if every) they plan on releasing Zen 2 desktop APUs?watzupken - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
I feel AMD should have timed the release of budget CPUs with the budget motherboard chipset. While the new processors still work with older B450 chipset, people will be looking forward to the B550 since its got better features. Pricing wise, B550 is expected to be pricier, but I feel may still be worth the upgrade.Anyway again, I feel AMD should ideally release an APU to fill in the low end market. They are releasing too many cuts and slices in their CPU product and its starting to get confusing.
mat9v - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
No, not really. You just need an unlucky X570 board model, unlucky GPU cooler or rather radiator configuration (vertical fins) and hard, long term workload.https://imgur.com/a/JuLhNHd
dwade123 - Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - link
JunkPoopsie - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
Unfortunately, these will be expensive as fuck in UAE. The ryzen 3 1200 sells for a minimum of 120 dollars here. That's how high prices areIrata - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
I noticed the old 1200 are selling at ridiculous prices eveywhere but I can't see how anyone is buying at those prices.AMD released a new 1200 on 12nm (like the 1600 AF) that is supposed to sell in the USD 50-60 range.
yetanotherhuman - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
Pointless. The 1600 As F*ck simply craps on these...Da Kat - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
I'm waiting for something to replace my 2400G, a 3600G would be just fine.LauRoman - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
These prices are well within the refurbished quad core i7 price range, and are a great alternative, as they are on a newer platform and benefit from better upgrade paths and explot mitigations that 5-6-7 year old cpus don't.ozzuneoj86 - Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - link
I'll be curious to see how the 3100 and the 1600 AF compare. The 1600 AF is a ridiculously good deal at only $85. The 3100 will certainly have it beat on per-thread performance but with 50% more threads (and $15 cheaper) I bet it will be a close race.flyingpants265 - Monday, May 4, 2020 - link
I am guessing the 4-core things will perform better in games, but I'd still rather get an AF just for fun.AshlayW - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link
I always love it when the budget-end gets some love. :)Danvelopment - Saturday, April 25, 2020 - link
How is it that the R3-3100 has 16MB of cache in a 2+2 configuration?Should it not have 32MB as a result of both CCX's being active?
Asher88 - Saturday, May 23, 2020 - link
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