Tom's Hardware might be the biggest and most known site, but most people who follow PC tech news for over 10 years will prefer to support Anandtech than a site that ... well it's Tom's,... where do I start?...... :D
I used to enjoy Tom's in the good old days. Nowadays, I don't bother with that site anymore, as they tend to be very one sided with certain vendors. I guess you have to bend over for those that flash the dollar bills.
Anand built this site on integrity. I'd say the next closest person back in that era was Kyle from HardOCP. Tom has a great engineering mind but I agree there is sometimes an aura of bias in his reviews, though admittedly I haven't read a modern Tom's Hardware review in years.
But 20 years ago, I remember buying Tom's book, and that was really his magnum opus, not his site. Though credit is due to him for discovering the defect and fighting Intel for the recall of the defective P3 1.13's.
Tom hasn't been involved with the website for over ten years. He moved to Singapore and has been happy to remain fairly low profile, though he had recently been part of a VR startup there.
Their comments aren't consistent, with some articles having them and others sometimes appearing days later or not at all. I get the feeling that they're disabled by default and some daytime contributors either don't know to flip the switch or don't care. It's frustrating.
I stopped visiting tom’s hardware when they started embedding autoplay videos and injecting massive amounts of ads into their content. Part of what I do is writing, publishing, and managing content, and even that part of me cringes when I accidentally land on their site. I now have to run an ad-blocker, because of the sheer amount of sites that are just like Tom’s Hardware. I don’t mind an ad every few paragraphs, if the ad is interesting enough, I will even click on it. However, having 5/10 ads per page is ridiculous.
My personal opinion is that certain parts of AnandTech are going up in quality, but article quantity and the site in general is going downhill. I wish AnandTech would follow the model of sites like Ars Techinca and stop heading in the gradual direction of Tom’s Hardware.
You should try using anandtech site without a adblocker it's bad
embedded video adverts inbetween articles, even when you press print to show all Pages as one, and recantly when my adblocker stopped working you probably wouldn't even recognise that this was anandtechs website (also click jacking when you click anywhere on the page it launches a new page just for the advert)
I'm wondering how so many points are going up on the board when it's hit or miss as to getting work units. I have 6 clients running and they're sitting more often than not. :(
Same here. I have some pretty heavy iron but its not getting WU's. Some things I found out that might explain why. Some researchers will specify 16 cores or more, require an nvidia card for a gpu load, or willl only let the project run as a cpu load.
All that having been said, I have a 3700x machine with an RX590 in it, and two 6700K's heavily OC'd (around 5GHz) with very OC'd nvidia 1070's (gpu clock at 2000MHz) in them. I catch a lot of cpu WU's with the 3700x machine as it registers as 16 cores due to hyperthreading. However as I've learned, the 3000 series amd cpu's have some serious heat issues when exposed to sustained loads. As I've come to understand it, the use of 'chiplets' or large chips has caused heat spikes all over the surface of the cpu, where traditionally most of the heat came from the middle of the package. So heatsinks that are round and aren't as big as the die don't disperse heat well. I replaced mine with a heatsink the size of a brick with a larger fan and was still hitting almost 90c on a f@h cpu load. I also tried an Aidos big tall radiator with a big fan, not much better. This morning I looked to find lots of people struggling to get the cpu under 50c at idle (mine is 46), and having frequent issues with the cpu overvolting and over bursting. Seems only folks with the big huge water coolers are getting the idle and load temps down to ~30 at idle and 65 at load.
So I just have one of the 6700K machines dedicated to it now, hooked up to a solar generator and a couple of 100w panels powering it so the electricity is free at least. Still doesn't catch much.
A lot of the F@H folks are using GPUs only for that, the CPU is likely better served on Rosetta (also Covid research) which cannot using GPUs for the foreseeable future.
To be clear, it isn’t chiplets that are causing the heat. It is actually a combination of factors, many of which are related to node shrinks. For example, transistors are becoming exponentially more dense, but power requirements have barely changed. This means more heat. Heatspreaders help, but not enough.
My 1600 and slightly undervolted 590 (max. 1.1V, -8% power limit) were getting the occasional work order, but something changed over the past few days which means they're being fed more consistently, so perhaps the same will happen for you.
Temps can get a bit toasty when both are working and left on automatic fan profiles, with the 1600 getting to 79°C and the RX590 hitting 72°C right at this moment (case has one intake fan, one exhaust fan). I had been thinking about replacing the venerable 1600 with a 3600 and using the money saved off a 3600X for a better cooling solution, and it sounds like I'd definitely need it if the 3700X suffers so much. I use headphones a lot so I'm happy to ramp the fans up if required, but I'm not seeing any throttling as of yet.
The Admin of the CPU sub-forum, Mark, is the anchor for the team making over 10% of the points in his personal vendetta against Cancer. Stop in and check out his arsenal!
I started folding both because of Anandtech's call to arms as well as the pandemic. Happy to report I'm now incorporating several of my company's old machines to add more resources toward both causes. 5,775,084 points as of this post in 2 weeks!
I've got 3 cpu's and 2 gpu contributing. My Nvidia 2070 is a monster. My 1060 in my laptop isn't bad. Btw, if you're folding on a laptop you may consider elevating it a bit along the edges so the vents are wide open. I use small strips of wood 1/2" high.
My trick for stuff like this is an inverted aluminum half sheet pan, and put the laptop right in the middle. Its pretty amazing how much heat radiates from the bottom of a laptop, and this gives some space for the vents as well. I can take a thermal heat gun and see I'm getting about 90F on the pan right next to the laptop, and that dissipates to room temp (70) as you move away from it. Stays nice and cool.
I also have a cool little aluminum cookie sheet, basically a piece of aluminum with one edge lifted to ~40 degrees, about the size of a 17" laptop. I use that when actually using the laptop in my lap. Same thing, vents are kept clear and the cookie sheet draws heat away, allowing me to still have children in the future.
There are a few tweaks to get more work from folding at home. But I'll keep my existing team priorities thank you very much. 2 billion total point and counting.
Yup, I have 5 2080TI cards, 2 1080TI FTW3 cards, 3 2060's, one 2060 super, and a 1070TI. If I had enough electricity, I have one more 1070TI, but every outlet in the house blows the circuit breaker if I plud in one more machine. I have over 500 cpu cores also working on the cure in Rosetta@home and WCG, including 3 EPYC machines, of note, one 7742 64 core, a dual 7601 64 core total, and 2 7751 machines.
I have to ask this and please dont misunderstand my admiration for all those who are contributing, but has all this worldwide computing power actually made a difference? I dabbled with Folding many years ago but gave up because of the lack of feedback about what the project actually achieved in the grand scheme, it would be good if folks could see what has changed with all the effort being expended or perhaps I have missed it and someone could point it out for me?
I felt the same way (used to fold when the project first started, but stopped for a while). Their website has been updated over the years and now does detail about twenty of the peer reviewed studies that have come directly from the project's data.
I barely visit anandtech, and can't remember the last time I went to tom's (too much mucking around with their front page!). I only come here after reading everywhere else if something is still missing to me. Otherwise, a quick check of the front page weekly to see if news is posted here that isn't elsewhere. Really, I wore out around 660ti article (about when they became an AMD portal site I guess).
There is nothing special anymore about either site IMHO. Ryan thinks 4k is the new norm, but nobody uses it and he's still waiting to be right about 1440p being the new enthusiast standard (said that in the 660ti comments section...ROFL, after being forced by me...LOL). Still stupid. 1080p still owns 66% and 1440p under 6% probably still. Can't be bothered to check ATM yet AGAIN. 4k under 2% as usual I'd guess (well under last checked). Wasted time on testing 4k, never mind all the wasted electricity, gpu power (and life) etc thrown at corona crap. Go back to work, or go bankrupt and into a depression (which killed 40K from suicide last time...so get the F back to work!).
Toms died for me when Tom Pabst left after trying to kill Van Smith articles...Toms deserves what it is now after that and bapco BS ~1999-2001 or so IIRC. Fecking idiots. No idea why ANYBODY uses anything from bapco crap after that. They owned the freaking land and domain name before trying to hid it all! No use for anything from them. Google Van Smith slander. Should get an idea of what went on. Whistleblower on bapco/intel cheating etc, time to destroy you, remove your credit etc from articles. Whitewash as mike magee called it. I wonder how much it cost the site? :) Is that why tom left? Forced? Who knows, but it was ugly what they did if not illegal. Removing a guy's name from articles he clearly wrote for ages is ridiculous. They pretend he never worked there today and have for 2 decades now. This site (anandtech) died with Anand himself leaving. Either he sold out (seemed that way before he left really), or whoever took over did.
Just because there is a subset of users that want uber high refresh rates at low resolutions in gaming doesn’t mean 4k and similar resolutions aren’t important and/or the norm.
Apple, for example, is the largest OEM in the US (excluding phones/tablets!) and the majority of the products they have shipped in (at least) the past 5 years are > 1440p.
I personally rock 2 4K IPS displays and I am a huge gamer, owning over 1,100 titles on steam and more than 3,000 games on PC overall, and that doesn’t count my console collection.
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yannigr2 - Friday, April 3, 2020 - link
Tom's Hardware might be the biggest and most known site, but most people who follow PC tech news for over 10 years will prefer to support Anandtech than a site that ... well it's Tom's,... where do I start?...... :DZipSpeed - Friday, April 3, 2020 - link
I used to enjoy Tom's in the good old days. Nowadays, I don't bother with that site anymore, as they tend to be very one sided with certain vendors. I guess you have to bend over for those that flash the dollar bills.Samus - Saturday, April 4, 2020 - link
Anand built this site on integrity. I'd say the next closest person back in that era was Kyle from HardOCP. Tom has a great engineering mind but I agree there is sometimes an aura of bias in his reviews, though admittedly I haven't read a modern Tom's Hardware review in years.But 20 years ago, I remember buying Tom's book, and that was really his magnum opus, not his site. Though credit is due to him for discovering the defect and fighting Intel for the recall of the defective P3 1.13's.
Slash3 - Saturday, April 4, 2020 - link
Tom hasn't been involved with the website for over ten years. He moved to Singapore and has been happy to remain fairly low profile, though he had recently been part of a VR startup there.Time flies.
eek2121 - Sunday, April 5, 2020 - link
Wait until you realize how long Anand has been gone from AnandTech. ;)Slash3 - Monday, April 6, 2020 - link
I've been visiting AT since it was a GeoCities page. Well aware. :)svan1971 - Sunday, April 5, 2020 - link
it wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't blatantly obvious, and they if did not arrogantly deny it the way they do.twtech - Saturday, April 4, 2020 - link
I used to go to both, but they disabled comments on their articles a while back.Slash3 - Saturday, April 4, 2020 - link
Their comments aren't consistent, with some articles having them and others sometimes appearing days later or not at all. I get the feeling that they're disabled by default and some daytime contributors either don't know to flip the switch or don't care. It's frustrating.eek2121 - Sunday, April 5, 2020 - link
I stopped visiting tom’s hardware when they started embedding autoplay videos and injecting massive amounts of ads into their content. Part of what I do is writing, publishing, and managing content, and even that part of me cringes when I accidentally land on their site. I now have to run an ad-blocker, because of the sheer amount of sites that are just like Tom’s Hardware. I don’t mind an ad every few paragraphs, if the ad is interesting enough, I will even click on it. However, having 5/10 ads per page is ridiculous.My personal opinion is that certain parts of AnandTech are going up in quality, but article quantity and the site in general is going downhill. I wish AnandTech would follow the model of sites like Ars Techinca and stop heading in the gradual direction of Tom’s Hardware.
leexgx - Sunday, April 5, 2020 - link
You should try using anandtech site without a adblocker it's badembedded video adverts inbetween articles, even when you press print to show all Pages as one, and recantly when my adblocker stopped working you probably wouldn't even recognise that this was anandtechs website (also click jacking when you click anywhere on the page it launches a new page just for the advert)
svan1971 - Sunday, April 5, 2020 - link
Toms has not been Toms for a very long time, its the last site I view if at all. "Just buy it"bill.rookard - Friday, April 3, 2020 - link
I'm wondering how so many points are going up on the board when it's hit or miss as to getting work units. I have 6 clients running and they're sitting more often than not. :(blckgrffn - Friday, April 3, 2020 - link
Come to the thread in the forums. We have ways of getting WU's! (most of the time)cfbcfb - Friday, April 3, 2020 - link
Same here. I have some pretty heavy iron but its not getting WU's. Some things I found out that might explain why. Some researchers will specify 16 cores or more, require an nvidia card for a gpu load, or willl only let the project run as a cpu load.All that having been said, I have a 3700x machine with an RX590 in it, and two 6700K's heavily OC'd (around 5GHz) with very OC'd nvidia 1070's (gpu clock at 2000MHz) in them. I catch a lot of cpu WU's with the 3700x machine as it registers as 16 cores due to hyperthreading. However as I've learned, the 3000 series amd cpu's have some serious heat issues when exposed to sustained loads. As I've come to understand it, the use of 'chiplets' or large chips has caused heat spikes all over the surface of the cpu, where traditionally most of the heat came from the middle of the package. So heatsinks that are round and aren't as big as the die don't disperse heat well. I replaced mine with a heatsink the size of a brick with a larger fan and was still hitting almost 90c on a f@h cpu load. I also tried an Aidos big tall radiator with a big fan, not much better. This morning I looked to find lots of people struggling to get the cpu under 50c at idle (mine is 46), and having frequent issues with the cpu overvolting and over bursting. Seems only folks with the big huge water coolers are getting the idle and load temps down to ~30 at idle and 65 at load.
So I just have one of the 6700K machines dedicated to it now, hooked up to a solar generator and a couple of 100w panels powering it so the electricity is free at least. Still doesn't catch much.
Chaser - Friday, April 3, 2020 - link
Anything else?blckgrffn - Friday, April 3, 2020 - link
A lot of the F@H folks are using GPUs only for that, the CPU is likely better served on Rosetta (also Covid research) which cannot using GPUs for the foreseeable future.eek2121 - Sunday, April 5, 2020 - link
To be clear, it isn’t chiplets that are causing the heat. It is actually a combination of factors, many of which are related to node shrinks. For example, transistors are becoming exponentially more dense, but power requirements have barely changed. This means more heat. Heatspreaders help, but not enough.silverblue - Monday, April 6, 2020 - link
My 1600 and slightly undervolted 590 (max. 1.1V, -8% power limit) were getting the occasional work order, but something changed over the past few days which means they're being fed more consistently, so perhaps the same will happen for you.Temps can get a bit toasty when both are working and left on automatic fan profiles, with the 1600 getting to 79°C and the RX590 hitting 72°C right at this moment (case has one intake fan, one exhaust fan). I had been thinking about replacing the venerable 1600 with a 3600 and using the money saved off a 3600X for a better cooling solution, and it sounds like I'd definitely need it if the 3700X suffers so much. I use headphones a lot so I'm happy to ramp the fans up if required, but I'm not seeing any throttling as of yet.
PEJUman - Friday, April 3, 2020 - link
I think this is Johan DeGelas lab tiling the balance to Anandtech.blckgrffn - Friday, April 3, 2020 - link
The Admin of the CPU sub-forum, Mark, is the anchor for the team making over 10% of the points in his personal vendetta against Cancer. Stop in and check out his arsenal!only1jv - Friday, April 3, 2020 - link
I started folding both because of Anandtech's call to arms as well as the pandemic. Happy to report I'm now incorporating several of my company's old machines to add more resources toward both causes. 5,775,084 points as of this post in 2 weeks!blckgrffn - Friday, April 3, 2020 - link
Woo! Thank you! If you haven't already, stop into the forums to claim some kudos from the group :)Brazos - Friday, April 3, 2020 - link
I've got 3 cpu's and 2 gpu contributing. My Nvidia 2070 is a monster. My 1060 in my laptop isn't bad. Btw, if you're folding on a laptop you may consider elevating it a bit along the edges so the vents are wide open. I use small strips of wood 1/2" high.Iridium130m - Friday, April 3, 2020 - link
Cooling pad under my laptop and I've underclocked the GPU and disabled the CPU slot. Want to help but don't want to fry my laptop.cfbcfb - Friday, April 3, 2020 - link
My trick for stuff like this is an inverted aluminum half sheet pan, and put the laptop right in the middle. Its pretty amazing how much heat radiates from the bottom of a laptop, and this gives some space for the vents as well. I can take a thermal heat gun and see I'm getting about 90F on the pan right next to the laptop, and that dissipates to room temp (70) as you move away from it. Stays nice and cool.I also have a cool little aluminum cookie sheet, basically a piece of aluminum with one edge lifted to ~40 degrees, about the size of a 17" laptop. I use that when actually using the laptop in my lap. Same thing, vents are kept clear and the cookie sheet draws heat away, allowing me to still have children in the future.
ipkh - Friday, April 3, 2020 - link
There are a few tweaks to get more work from folding at home.But I'll keep my existing team priorities thank you very much. 2 billion total point and counting.
Markfw900 - Friday, April 3, 2020 - link
Yup, I have 5 2080TI cards, 2 1080TI FTW3 cards, 3 2060's, one 2060 super, and a 1070TI. If I had enough electricity, I have one more 1070TI, but every outlet in the house blows the circuit breaker if I plud in one more machine. I have over 500 cpu cores also working on the cure in Rosetta@home and WCG, including 3 EPYC machines, of note, one 7742 64 core, a dual 7601 64 core total, and 2 7751 machines.Markfw900 - Friday, April 3, 2020 - link
2 EPYC 7551, typo.alufan - Saturday, April 4, 2020 - link
I have to ask this and please dont misunderstand my admiration for all those who are contributing, but has all this worldwide computing power actually made a difference?I dabbled with Folding many years ago but gave up because of the lack of feedback about what the project actually achieved in the grand scheme, it would be good if folks could see what has changed with all the effort being expended or perhaps I have missed it and someone could point it out for me?
Slash3 - Saturday, April 4, 2020 - link
I felt the same way (used to fold when the project first started, but stopped for a while). Their website has been updated over the years and now does detail about twenty of the peer reviewed studies that have come directly from the project's data.TheJian - Saturday, April 4, 2020 - link
I barely visit anandtech, and can't remember the last time I went to tom's (too much mucking around with their front page!). I only come here after reading everywhere else if something is still missing to me. Otherwise, a quick check of the front page weekly to see if news is posted here that isn't elsewhere. Really, I wore out around 660ti article (about when they became an AMD portal site I guess).There is nothing special anymore about either site IMHO. Ryan thinks 4k is the new norm, but nobody uses it and he's still waiting to be right about 1440p being the new enthusiast standard (said that in the 660ti comments section...ROFL, after being forced by me...LOL). Still stupid. 1080p still owns 66% and 1440p under 6% probably still. Can't be bothered to check ATM yet AGAIN. 4k under 2% as usual I'd guess (well under last checked). Wasted time on testing 4k, never mind all the wasted electricity, gpu power (and life) etc thrown at corona crap. Go back to work, or go bankrupt and into a depression (which killed 40K from suicide last time...so get the F back to work!).
Toms died for me when Tom Pabst left after trying to kill Van Smith articles...Toms deserves what it is now after that and bapco BS ~1999-2001 or so IIRC. Fecking idiots. No idea why ANYBODY uses anything from bapco crap after that. They owned the freaking land and domain name before trying to hid it all! No use for anything from them. Google Van Smith slander. Should get an idea of what went on. Whistleblower on bapco/intel cheating etc, time to destroy you, remove your credit etc from articles. Whitewash as mike magee called it. I wonder how much it cost the site? :) Is that why tom left? Forced? Who knows, but it was ugly what they did if not illegal. Removing a guy's name from articles he clearly wrote for ages is ridiculous. They pretend he never worked there today and have for 2 decades now. This site (anandtech) died with Anand himself leaving. Either he sold out (seemed that way before he left really), or whoever took over did.
eek2121 - Sunday, April 5, 2020 - link
Just because there is a subset of users that want uber high refresh rates at low resolutions in gaming doesn’t mean 4k and similar resolutions aren’t important and/or the norm.Apple, for example, is the largest OEM in the US (excluding phones/tablets!) and the majority of the products they have shipped in (at least) the past 5 years are > 1440p.
I personally rock 2 4K IPS displays and I am a huge gamer, owning over 1,100 titles on steam and more than 3,000 games on PC overall, and that doesn’t count my console collection.
Morawka - Saturday, April 4, 2020 - link
See those big spikes in the graph? yeah, that was when my machine was running.Longbowgun - Sunday, April 5, 2020 - link
Both are nothing compared to CureCoin.