I wish all these big name OEMs had placed some trust in the new AMD mobile chips. I understand there's months of lead time for any chip they use but it's disenginious to their customers when they sell only intels crappy rebranded chips aka 14nm+++++
Meanwhile AMD is now wiping the floor with Intel both at price, performance and power levels. I'd love to have the new xps 13 with the AMD 4000 chips.
Totally agree. Here in Spain the Asus Zephyrus G14 with the Ryzen 7 4800HS sold out in 3 days and it is the only laptop I could find available with Ryzen 4***. You see laptops being released with "mobile" core that consume 135W, when you can have a fairly portable gaming laptop, with almost 12h of battery life using Ryzen. It makes so little sense... Dell (here in Spain) offers 3 Inspiron with Ryzen 2***. None with Ryzen 3***. It's amazing how tight is Intel's chuck-hold of the vendors.
That i7-1065G7 is a 10nm part according to ark.intel. Unfortunately, most PC buyers don't read hardware reviews like Anandtech, so they but what's available, what they're used to. I have the older Envy 17 with 4k screen, i7-8550u with an mx150 4GB card, and can run and older game like Pose at full resolution just fine. When I got it, AMD want a viable option yet...
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The pricing is great for 17" Ice Lake system, but that battery size is bewlidering. I don't buy 17" laptops, so please correct me:
A 55 Whr battery, in a 6 lb laptop, with a guzzling 17" screen & mandatory 10 W to 25 W dedicated GPU, sounds woefully far too small. Nobody needs a 24-hour laptop, but 55Whr in a huge chassis feels insulting. Most high-end 13" laptops fit in 50+ Whr batteries.
As the owner of a fairly low-end ThinkPad, 14" with a 45 Wh battery, I can only agree. For what is pretty much twice the price and a significantly larger chassis, 55 Wh really does sound almost like an insult.
This looks like a value play more than anything, HP seems to have decided that the battery is were they can skimp to keep it in budget. It's not like they're running low on space. I have a XPS 15 and that has a 84Wh battery, which isn't exactly a thick notebook. There is no way HP couldn't fit a larger battery in this, this has to be intentional.
The XPS 15 manages to cram a 97Wh battery in a much slimmer and lighter chassis. So this is really just an artificial means of product differentiation from HP. If you want better battery life, you have to shell out big bucks for the top models. Same reason why budget laptops are stuck with a crappy 768p TN screen, even though decent 1080p IPS screens are commonplace and probably only cost marginally more
I have LG Gram 17: weight 2.98 lb, battery 80 Whr (battery weight 282g). Also it has a nice 16:10 resolution screen (2560x1600) and a Thunderbolt port, as well as the same processor ( i7-1065G7) and wifi (AX201). A 16GB RAM 512GB NVMe model is on sale at Costco for $1,200.
Not sure why would anyone buy this one at the same price. Double the weight for MX330 graphics and a smaller battery? No thanks.
Problem is voltage. 72Wh batter from yoga 920 is ~12V. my laptop needs ~19V. I think high cap high voltage batteries are either price or some other issue with it exists.
Unless battery life is a concern for you, and unless you play no games at all, it is potentially useful to have a distinct GPU with its own dedicated graphics RAM, even if it is not much faster than the iGPU of the SoC. On the other hand the Xe iGPUs of Tiger Lake will lower the value of distinct GPUs (particularly if Tiger Lake switches to LPDDR5, though I doubt that). Nvidia will need to step up their game for those who still need one. It also makes no sense to pair AMD's APU 4000 series with a weak mobile GPU like MX330.
How's HP's support these days? The last time I bought an HP laptop, it had a hardware defect that caused the machine to not power up, about 7 months after I got it. Three round-trips to their repair depot later, none of which fixed the problem, my warranty ran out. Great machine until it bricked.
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milkywayer - Monday, April 6, 2020 - link
I wish all these big name OEMs had placed some trust in the new AMD mobile chips. I understand there's months of lead time for any chip they use but it's disenginious to their customers when they sell only intels crappy rebranded chips aka 14nm+++++Meanwhile AMD is now wiping the floor with Intel both at price, performance and power levels. I'd love to have the new xps 13 with the AMD 4000 chips.
deil - Tuesday, April 7, 2020 - link
xps 13 with ryzen 4600u (6/12) and dual m.2 nvme + 32GB/64GB of ram. you cannot imagine how hard I want that to happen.yankeeDDL - Tuesday, April 7, 2020 - link
Totally agree. Here in Spain the Asus Zephyrus G14 with the Ryzen 7 4800HS sold out in 3 days and it is the only laptop I could find available with Ryzen 4***.You see laptops being released with "mobile" core that consume 135W, when you can have a fairly portable gaming laptop, with almost 12h of battery life using Ryzen. It makes so little sense...
Dell (here in Spain) offers 3 Inspiron with Ryzen 2***. None with Ryzen 3***.
It's amazing how tight is Intel's chuck-hold of the vendors.
Tchamber - Tuesday, April 7, 2020 - link
That i7-1065G7 is a 10nm part according to ark.intel.Unfortunately, most PC buyers don't read hardware reviews like Anandtech, so they but what's available, what they're used to. I have the older Envy 17 with 4k screen, i7-8550u with an mx150 4GB card, and can run and older game like Pose at full resolution just fine. When I got it, AMD want a viable option yet...
Tchamber - Tuesday, April 7, 2020 - link
Oops, older game like PoERookierookie - Wednesday, April 8, 2020 - link
Well, if you wanted AMD, Envy x360s with Ryzen 3000 chips have been available for a long time.linamking9 - Thursday, April 16, 2020 - link
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The pricing is great for 17" Ice Lake system, but that battery size is bewlidering. I don't buy 17" laptops, so please correct me:A 55 Whr battery, in a 6 lb laptop, with a guzzling 17" screen & mandatory 10 W to 25 W dedicated GPU, sounds woefully far too small. Nobody needs a 24-hour laptop, but 55Whr in a huge chassis feels insulting. Most high-end 13" laptops fit in 50+ Whr batteries.
And batteries do not weigh much, contrary to popular online commenters. Dell quotes 1 Whr = 0.01 pounds. That's including all circuitry. Source: https://www.dell.com/support/manuals/us/en/04/lati...
The Lenovo Yoga 920: 72 Wh battery / 3.02 lb laptop
The HP Spectre x360 13t (13t-ae000): 60 Wh battery / 2.76 lb laptop
The Acer Swift 5: 60Wh battery / 2.19lb laptop
The LG Gram 13: 72 Wh battery / 2.19lb laptop
But, maybe 17" laptop owners (even the poor 4K users) don't really care for battery life?
Dolda2000 - Monday, April 6, 2020 - link
As the owner of a fairly low-end ThinkPad, 14" with a 45 Wh battery, I can only agree. For what is pretty much twice the price and a significantly larger chassis, 55 Wh really does sound almost like an insult.Flunk - Monday, April 6, 2020 - link
This looks like a value play more than anything, HP seems to have decided that the battery is were they can skimp to keep it in budget. It's not like they're running low on space. I have a XPS 15 and that has a 84Wh battery, which isn't exactly a thick notebook. There is no way HP couldn't fit a larger battery in this, this has to be intentional.Retycint - Monday, April 6, 2020 - link
The XPS 15 manages to cram a 97Wh battery in a much slimmer and lighter chassis. So this is really just an artificial means of product differentiation from HP. If you want better battery life, you have to shell out big bucks for the top models. Same reason why budget laptops are stuck with a crappy 768p TN screen, even though decent 1080p IPS screens are commonplace and probably only cost marginally morep1esk - Monday, April 6, 2020 - link
I have LG Gram 17: weight 2.98 lb, battery 80 Whr (battery weight 282g). Also it has a nice 16:10 resolution screen (2560x1600) and a Thunderbolt port, as well as the same processor ( i7-1065G7) and wifi (AX201). A 16GB RAM 512GB NVMe model is on sale at Costco for $1,200.Not sure why would anyone buy this one at the same price. Double the weight for MX330 graphics and a smaller battery? No thanks.
deil - Tuesday, April 7, 2020 - link
Problem is voltage. 72Wh batter from yoga 920 is ~12V. my laptop needs ~19V. I think high cap high voltage batteries are either price or some other issue with it exists.0x1874DE4C - Monday, April 6, 2020 - link
Sigh. Another laptop stuck at 16:9.Dolda2000 - Monday, April 6, 2020 - link
I couldn't agree more. I do wonder who really asked for widescreen laptops to begin with.damianrobertjones - Tuesday, April 7, 2020 - link
Is there really any point in the GeForce MX330? Surely, at this point in time, the iGPU in the intel chips is just as fast?p1esk - Tuesday, April 7, 2020 - link
Nvidia claims its twice as fast as the cpu in this laptop.Santoval - Sunday, April 12, 2020 - link
Unless battery life is a concern for you, and unless you play no games at all, it is potentially useful to have a distinct GPU with its own dedicated graphics RAM, even if it is not much faster than the iGPU of the SoC. On the other hand the Xe iGPUs of Tiger Lake will lower the value of distinct GPUs (particularly if Tiger Lake switches to LPDDR5, though I doubt that). Nvidia will need to step up their game for those who still need one. It also makes no sense to pair AMD's APU 4000 series with a weak mobile GPU like MX330.psychobriggsy - Tuesday, April 7, 2020 - link
IceLake + low-end dGPU is pointless.Renoir can cover both, and offer more CPU on top.
IGTrading - Tuesday, April 7, 2020 - link
Personally speaking, for our living room, I'd love an ENVY17 Touch, but we would not touch anything Intel-powered.Let's hope an AMD Ryzen based model is incoming.
StevenD - Tuesday, April 7, 2020 - link
When will companies learn that full sized left right keys next to half size up down keys don't really work well together.mooninite - Tuesday, April 7, 2020 - link
Cool! Can't wait for the next security vulernability to slow down my Ice Lake laptop! /sAs others have noted already, OEMs need to get with the AMD program.
1_rick - Tuesday, April 14, 2020 - link
How's HP's support these days? The last time I bought an HP laptop, it had a hardware defect that caused the machine to not power up, about 7 months after I got it. Three round-trips to their repair depot later, none of which fixed the problem, my warranty ran out. Great machine until it bricked.