It isn't good news for hardware enthusiasts that nVidia is launching RTX for the 3rd time now, even if for mobile. 2018, 2019, and 2020. I really want 7nm nVidia, no more of this.
Why skip steps when competition isn't pushing them too hard and they can milk this for another year? What Intel did for years isn't exclusive to Intel.
IDK, Intel looks like they really failed, they'd prevent AMD from outselling them 5 to 1 if they could. Nvidia's more of a case of not trying hard enough.
GPU cadence is considerably slower but less iterative than CPU cadence, with little clock upgrades and bin changes while they're prepping their next generation. And I think they're sticking with old nodes for less R&D and better yield+pricing. (or at least margins) I remember there was a great article on Wikichip which went through AMD's 7nm development, where they had to design around increasing resistance on the 2nd + 3rd metal layers and confusing cell arrangement
It might be best to think of this not as an NVIDIA product launch, but NVIDIA's complementary offerings to Intel and AMD's new CPUs. The CPU and GPU dev cycles aren't synced, so new CPUs mean that laptop vendors have to use current GPUs. And in which case, they like something with a higher model number (which is why we get the semi-annual rebadge ritual on the desktop).
But usually a new year comes with lower prices. RX 580 lower cost than RX 480 for example. Or the GTX 1080 dropping in price. The 2080 Super is the same speed as last year, still high priced. This definitely shouldn't encourage anyone to buy a new laptop.
That's not true. There are only two refreshes. Mobile RTX was released 1 year ago, this is the first refresh of the mobile lineup. The desktop RTX launched in 2018 and was refreshed once in 2019. Later this year NVIDIA will launch a 7 nm desktop chip and laptops will get the architecture in 2021. It takes longer for a laptop SKU to go from product validation to retail so NVIDIA would have to release laptop versions of the GPU in quarter 2 in order for the laptops to appear on the shelves by the holiday shopping season. But to keep laptop chips close to the performance of desktop chips it makes more sense to launch them after desktop parts, so as things stand now, since back to school and Christmas are the focal points for both markets, it's more natural for the laptop parts to be a year behind.
"even if for mobile", that's why I said that. Looking at the MSI marketing materials, they are claiming 2080 Super is 1 percent faster than 2080. This shows the thermal issues are the main problem. This isn't even faster than last year.
I'd say absolutely. AMD's CPUs have a lot of mindshare in the enthusiast gaming demographic, and for good reason. However, their mobile GPUs particularly haven't changed much since Polaris, as navi hasn't gotten much steam on the high end. I'd love to see a 2080 with a 4000 processor, particularly the HS binned ones. Almost as much as I'd like to see those CPUs paired with RDNA 2 later this year, if the +50% P/W improvement is true. Sounds like a dream!
A move backwards because of the stupid max-q design which basically is the new M badge, a 2080 max-q is not comparable at all with a proper 2080 it's even worse than a 2070.
I agree with other comments here that the very incremental progress here (if any) is mainly due to lack of serious competition in the mobile dGPU space. Why would NVIDIA be going through the expense of launching more advanced hardware if they are pretty much the only game in town,at least on the PC side. Question: how are AMD's mobile dGPUs in current Apple laptops? Haven't had a fruity computer in ages, hence the question.
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Alistair - Thursday, April 2, 2020 - link
It isn't good news for hardware enthusiasts that nVidia is launching RTX for the 3rd time now, even if for mobile. 2018, 2019, and 2020. I really want 7nm nVidia, no more of this.yeeeeman - Thursday, April 2, 2020 - link
I also am waiting for nvidia to get some 7nm parts out, but as the rumours say, they will use 10nm for Ampere which is sad.close - Thursday, April 2, 2020 - link
Why skip steps when competition isn't pushing them too hard and they can milk this for another year? What Intel did for years isn't exclusive to Intel.s.yu - Thursday, April 2, 2020 - link
IDK, Intel looks like they really failed, they'd prevent AMD from outselling them 5 to 1 if they could. Nvidia's more of a case of not trying hard enough.yeeeeman - Thursday, April 2, 2020 - link
But yeah, would be nice to get RTX 2060 performance in 30-40W TDP.Unashamed_unoriginal_username_x86 - Thursday, April 2, 2020 - link
GPU cadence is considerably slower but less iterative than CPU cadence, with little clock upgrades and bin changes while they're prepping their next generation.And I think they're sticking with old nodes for less R&D and better yield+pricing. (or at least margins)
I remember there was a great article on Wikichip which went through AMD's 7nm development, where they had to design around increasing resistance on the 2nd + 3rd metal layers and confusing cell arrangement
Ryan Smith - Thursday, April 2, 2020 - link
It might be best to think of this not as an NVIDIA product launch, but NVIDIA's complementary offerings to Intel and AMD's new CPUs. The CPU and GPU dev cycles aren't synced, so new CPUs mean that laptop vendors have to use current GPUs. And in which case, they like something with a higher model number (which is why we get the semi-annual rebadge ritual on the desktop).Alistair - Thursday, April 2, 2020 - link
But usually a new year comes with lower prices. RX 580 lower cost than RX 480 for example. Or the GTX 1080 dropping in price. The 2080 Super is the same speed as last year, still high priced. This definitely shouldn't encourage anyone to buy a new laptop.Yojimbo - Thursday, April 2, 2020 - link
That's not true. There are only two refreshes. Mobile RTX was released 1 year ago, this is the first refresh of the mobile lineup. The desktop RTX launched in 2018 and was refreshed once in 2019. Later this year NVIDIA will launch a 7 nm desktop chip and laptops will get the architecture in 2021. It takes longer for a laptop SKU to go from product validation to retail so NVIDIA would have to release laptop versions of the GPU in quarter 2 in order for the laptops to appear on the shelves by the holiday shopping season. But to keep laptop chips close to the performance of desktop chips it makes more sense to launch them after desktop parts, so as things stand now, since back to school and Christmas are the focal points for both markets, it's more natural for the laptop parts to be a year behind.Alistair - Thursday, April 2, 2020 - link
"even if for mobile", that's why I said that. Looking at the MSI marketing materials, they are claiming 2080 Super is 1 percent faster than 2080. This shows the thermal issues are the main problem. This isn't even faster than last year.Irata - Thursday, April 2, 2020 - link
Anyone want to take bets if we‘ll see anything above the 2060 in Ryzen 4000 based gaming laptops ?Note: Not blaming nVidia here.
Unashamed_unoriginal_username_x86 - Thursday, April 2, 2020 - link
I'd say absolutely. AMD's CPUs have a lot of mindshare in the enthusiast gaming demographic, and for good reason. However, their mobile GPUs particularly haven't changed much since Polaris, as navi hasn't gotten much steam on the high end.I'd love to see a 2080 with a 4000 processor, particularly the HS binned ones. Almost as much as I'd like to see those CPUs paired with RDNA 2 later this year, if the +50% P/W improvement is true. Sounds like a dream!
Xex360 - Thursday, April 2, 2020 - link
A move backwards because of the stupid max-q design which basically is the new M badge, a 2080 max-q is not comparable at all with a proper 2080 it's even worse than a 2070.PeachNCream - Thursday, April 2, 2020 - link
That is some disgusting power demand and heat output for mobile platforms.isthisavailable - Thursday, April 2, 2020 - link
Hopefully the price cut for 1650 means end of the pathetic MX series.eastcoast_pete - Thursday, April 2, 2020 - link
I agree with other comments here that the very incremental progress here (if any) is mainly due to lack of serious competition in the mobile dGPU space. Why would NVIDIA be going through the expense of launching more advanced hardware if they are pretty much the only game in town,at least on the PC side. Question: how are AMD's mobile dGPUs in current Apple laptops? Haven't had a fruity computer in ages, hence the question.